Whenever I see good juniors throwing I'm reminded that kids are literally made out of rubber bands and silly putty 😂 Asher's gonna be a certified bomber in a couple years!
I just found your channel today and noticed a familiar background. I like to set up under that tree and throw east in the same spot to practice haha. I have those concrete pads ranged out lol. I look forward to trying the Swarm. I currently have a Malta and a buzz OS in that slot.
I'm wondering if the "more overstable the harder you throw it" is a perception thing... I.e. if you throw something harder you expect it to go straighter, but with the really overstable discs going from 55 to 60 mph, it doesn't come close to how fast you'd have to throw it to get it to go straight lets say 80 mph. So, it has an almost identical flight path between 55 and 60 despite significantly more effort 🤔
thank you for your comment, and you do make a very good point . My thoughts on that are: Based on the severity of the angle on the nose, and how much of the air is diverted downwards compared to over the top, perhaps there is more than just the lift vector, but also the nose the disc wants to lift from the diverted air downward. Both of these forces, Whether by diverting air downwards and/or the lift force acting in front of the center of balance would see the effect take place 90° away on the right wing of the Disc. I’m pretty good at throwing the Disc, Meaning, I have pretty good command of changing my speeds and knowing exactly how fast I’m throwing, along with angle control, and knowing when I’m trying to overdrive the disc causing the issue. It’s very interesting to see this happen and that others have observed the same thing with the zone OS and this disc.
@DiscgliderPete great points! I wonder if a model... such as the Loft computer model they use to design their discs could show the reason why. Like if, as you're saying, the faster the disc is going, the less lift it's producing. Therefore, the more overstable it gets.
So as Løfts new approach disc Neon its a bit selfcorrecting for your errors both speed +/- 10 mph and angles from a anny to a bit hyzer. If you put in heavy work sloppy the result will be work well done anyway! ;D
I've heard good things about this overstable midrange but sometimes I feel like it's just pushing discs. I just ordered a Paige Pierce Drive, can't wait to throw that. Now I gotta order a Swarm, GDI Discraft. I don't see how this will be superior to a Zone, or just dialing back on a athena type disc..
It’s not better than a zone, the zone is pretty awesome. There does seem to be a market right now where everybody is wanting something wildly over stable. Although I am sponsored by Discraft, I try to do an honest review, tell what I think of the new Discs and what they will be useful for. Almost all the new dish have not made it into my bag, though the Athena has been a new addition, other than that it’s pretty old-school bag . It was good having my son along to get his opinion.
@@DiscgliderPete Thanks for the information I really appreciate it. Also, getting my oldest into discing has been a real pleasure as well, that's awesome you're getting yours involved. Great video as always, I'm a fan of your physics behind the disc videos as well.
Hi, thanks for the question! For drone comparisons I dunno, I don’t really ever throw the drone, this is the only one we’ve got, and Asher pulled it out of the archives to test it alongside these other disc. I’ll try to do better with filming with zooming in on the flight paths.
I didn’t use the wasp, for the same reason I didn’t use the buzzz what were the Malta. The closest comparison would be the Buzzz OS and still the swarm is way more over stable than it.
That’s a very good question because the hornet is over stable and doesn’t travel far, however, I think it’s way more over stable than the hornet. The zone OS compared to the zone, is basically the swarm compared to the buzz zone
So both the Swarm and Zone OS are clunky but the Zone OS is also silly... ;D 4 out of 5 is the old 3 out of 5 due to inflation, A OK. ;D Thx Seems to be a disc for lots of peopl liking some of the backhand OS discs Drone/Wasp but those discs don't like the forehand torque and less spin so loosing their uses a bit.
I think this disc will shine for folks on the forehand side of things. Asher is in love with all discs right now, loves trying all of them and everything is interesting to him. It’s fun to see that kind of optimism and see how little he is biased. Love that kid!
Tried 2 hours ago to get my daugther to try a forehand, the grip were fine, she looked at me intently and then proceeded trice to load up a forehand just to somehow quicky shift the disc and her body throwing a ripping griplocked anhyzer chop 7'... 6 years so i get it *weird daddy* xD
Whenever I see good juniors throwing I'm reminded that kids are literally made out of rubber bands and silly putty 😂
Asher's gonna be a certified bomber in a couple years!
Yea, he’s fun to watch, and has regularly been going past 300’ recently, with his farthest throw over 360’.
I just found your channel today and noticed a familiar background. I like to set up under that tree and throw east in the same spot to practice haha. I have those concrete pads ranged out lol. I look forward to trying the Swarm. I currently have a Malta and a buzz OS in that slot.
I’ve been throwing there for 8years!
It’s a great spot
looks like a beefier DGA Quake as well for a DGA thrower
What a well spoken kid, nice job dad.
I will very likely nab one. I bag the Zone OS, but never threw a buzz of any kind. I like what I saw, enough to give it a try at the very least.
I'm wondering if the "more overstable the harder you throw it" is a perception thing... I.e. if you throw something harder you expect it to go straighter, but with the really overstable discs going from 55 to 60 mph, it doesn't come close to how fast you'd have to throw it to get it to go straight lets say 80 mph. So, it has an almost identical flight path between 55 and 60 despite significantly more effort 🤔
thank you for your comment, and you do make a very good point . My thoughts on that are:
Based on the severity of the angle on the nose, and how much of the air is diverted downwards compared to over the top, perhaps there is more than just the lift vector, but also the nose the disc wants to lift from the diverted air downward. Both of these forces, Whether by diverting air downwards and/or the lift force acting in front of the center of balance would see the effect take place 90° away on the right wing of the Disc.
I’m pretty good at throwing the Disc, Meaning, I have pretty good command of changing my speeds and knowing exactly how fast I’m throwing, along with angle control, and knowing when I’m trying to overdrive the disc causing the issue.
It’s very interesting to see this happen and that others have observed the same thing with the zone OS and this disc.
@DiscgliderPete great points!
I wonder if a model... such as the Loft computer model they use to design their discs could show the reason why. Like if, as you're saying, the faster the disc is going, the less lift it's producing. Therefore, the more overstable it gets.
So as Løfts new approach disc Neon its a bit selfcorrecting for your errors both speed +/- 10 mph and angles from a anny to a bit hyzer. If you put in heavy work sloppy the result will be work well done anyway! ;D
Maybe useful up here in these 40 mph on average windy days..
Seems similar to my MX1
Dang Asher has fierce flow
Yes!
I've heard good things about this overstable midrange but sometimes I feel like it's just pushing discs. I just ordered a Paige Pierce Drive, can't wait to throw that. Now I gotta order a Swarm, GDI Discraft. I don't see how this will be superior to a Zone, or just dialing back on a athena type disc..
It’s not better than a zone, the zone is pretty awesome. There does seem to be a market right now where everybody is wanting something wildly over stable. Although I am sponsored by Discraft, I try to do an honest review, tell what I think of the new Discs and what they will be useful for. Almost all the new dish have not made it into my bag, though the Athena has been a new addition, other than that it’s pretty old-school bag . It was good having my son along to get his opinion.
@@DiscgliderPete Thanks for the information I really appreciate it. Also, getting my oldest into discing has been a real pleasure as well, that's awesome you're getting yours involved. Great video as always, I'm a fan of your physics behind the disc videos as well.
11 year old kid throws like i do 😭
Hard to see the flight of the Drone. How would you say it compares to a stock Z run overall?
Hi, thanks for the question!
For drone comparisons I dunno,
I don’t really ever throw the drone, this is the only one we’ve got, and Asher pulled it out of the archives to test it alongside these other disc.
I’ll try to do better with filming with zooming in on the flight paths.
I was like, just throw a drone.
This was the second time I’ve ever thrown a drone… it’s like once in a lifetime…kinda like in the natural world with bee hives:)
any swarm/wasp comparisons out there?
I didn’t use the wasp, for the same reason I didn’t use the buzzz what were the Malta. The closest comparison would be the Buzzz OS and still the swarm is way more over stable than it.
Background music is a little loud. I really enjoy your videos. 😀
Sorry about that,
I’ll work on balancing that better in the future. Thank you for the feedback…
pun intended:)
Is this disc similar to a Hornet? I've asked on a few different videos and posts about it, but no response, yet. Thanks Pete.
That’s a very good question because the hornet is over stable and doesn’t travel far, however, I think it’s way more over stable than the hornet.
The zone OS compared to the zone, is basically the swarm compared to the buzz zone
@@DiscgliderPete Man, thanks alot. I appreciate you responding. I might have to snag one, or two when available.
@@DiscgliderPete Agreed. I threw the Hornet and Swarm this week. The Swarm is WAY more OS for sure.
So both the Swarm and Zone OS are clunky but the Zone OS is also silly... ;D 4 out of 5 is the old 3 out of 5 due to inflation, A OK. ;D Thx
Seems to be a disc for lots of peopl liking some of the backhand OS discs Drone/Wasp but those discs don't like the forehand torque and less spin so loosing their uses a bit.
I think this disc will shine for folks on the forehand side of things.
Asher is in love with all discs right now, loves trying all of them and everything is interesting to him. It’s fun to see that kind of optimism and see how little he is biased. Love that kid!
Tried 2 hours ago to get my daugther to try a forehand, the grip were fine, she looked at me intently and then proceeded trice to load up a forehand just to somehow quicky shift the disc and her body throwing a ripping griplocked anhyzer chop 7'... 6 years so i get it *weird daddy* xD
Can't hear you for the music
I’ll work on that and try to do better.
Thank you for the feedback