It isn't "quietly radical" but its a start. I voted for Corbyn in 2017 and 2019. We lost. I don't want to keep being the party or voter of "well if everyone voted like me we'd be fine". I liked Keirs response to the protester, "we're done being the party of protest, its time to be the party of power". I'm hoping that 1 term in we DO get more of the 2017 / 19 manifesto back in there but for now its a start
statesmen are just tories so why would they discus the disaster for the tories - when they can just waffle to distract you - where they start - labours tax - because of course - peak tories
So vote Green, they're the ones with plans for real-world improvements & if you _do_ happen to end up with income over £10million you'll pay a whopping _one percent_ more tax! (2% over £100million).
Pouring more money down a drain won't make the badly-run privatised NHS any better! The Managers and diversity policies all need sacking with nurses running wards like they used to, under a senior nurse matron!
Its hell for the poor and disabled there keeping every cruel tory policy universal credit and 2 child cap another tory policy and there even going to go along with the torys on disability benefit cuts liz kendall did say it needs to be cut
Actually they have committed to review Universal Credit and tackle poverty. They have not mentioned any cuts to disability benefits either. Unlike the Tories who have proposed 12.5 billion in cuts and a complete reworking of PIP.
Why did the commentator mention the Republic of Ireland during the discussion on the Welsh manifesto and the jokeish call for Wales to enter Eurovision as a separate country? Most baffling. This is a discussion of the UK election. The Republic of Ireland is not part of or party to this. It does show a clearly nuanced disregard for the Republic of Ireland as an entity in the British media...
@@therealrobertbirchall This Tory government is not at all radical. They’ve just let the same problems continue unaddressed as everything slowly decays.
It’s reasons like placing a bet on the election happening, knowing that you will win the bet, that makes me happy that the Tory party will be no more. Their self-interest stinks and it’s made the country a poorer place in every measurable way
One gp appointment provided through a private contractor will cost twice as much or more than an NHS GP. How is it more cost effective to use expensive contractors over cheaper in-house?
True but since almost all GPs have been private & contracting to the NHS since it began in 1948 what difference are you trying to find? Dentists & opticians refused to join the NHS too.
You're looking at the wrong end, look at the huge American "healthcare" conglomerates paying MPs for slices off the back of the NHS, the same acquisitive corporations that have bought most of the GPs. 😢 Sir Simon Stevens, "saviour of the NHS", was owned by the American megacorp United Health. He now sits in the House of Lords. 😢
Largely the country's own effing fault. If we hadn't fallen for the tory propaganda machine and the allure of filthy lucre in 1979, just think .... that North Sea oil could have done the good for the UK which it did for Norway. Instead the oil barons buggered off with it and the dregs left here in taxes were used to prop up TINA's insane moneterist dogma in the form of unemployment benefit for 3 million people thrown on the scrap heap and the family silver flogged off for a pittance to tax dodging non doms ..... and here we are.
Labour voters are against the two child tax. Once in power Labour will try to persuade their voters to agree to this move. Keir is a political realist & will move as soon as he thinks any move is politically possible.
He obviously wants to scrap the limit but without raising taxes they just can’t afford it. I hope the growth strategies start to work over the next year or two as I think that will open up far more spending by Labour on policies such as scrapping the child benefit limit and increases in funding for public services.
@@floydcodlin8447I’m not lying that there isn’t any money for these types of policies. The Tory’s have seen to that. Going forward I’m hoping there will be improvements, I can’t be lying when I’m not stating what will happen but what I hope to happen
@@andrewcharlton6080 George Eaton said himself that the problem wasn't the money. It's that Labour doesn't want to look like a welfare party. Until this changes, the Tory press will run this country - as every time they accuse Labour of being profligate, Starmer will move further to the right.
People seem to think labour not being "labour" at the moment is a bad thing but they tied that and it didn't work. They need to make a big show of some specific things to draw existing conservative voters and get in power. We need to remove an incredible toxic and destructive conservation party and ensure they don't get power again. The best thing we can do is have labour government with a strong lib dem opposition. Once in power labour have the luxary of a gradual shift to the left just how the Tories went to the right. If we swing too hard people will get whiplash and we'll end up with some incompetence and racist party like reform.
Things like the 2 child limit can be added whenever the finances/political will warrant it. Putting it in the manifesto would be a focal point for attacks from the Tories and right wing media.
Business’ is mentioned 60 times, ‘inequality’ only once. The comparator isn’t any other Labour leader - it’s the Tory Edward Heath But what kind of change? Not the kind you can count in cash. The extra money the Labour party plans to spend on local government, say, or to raise in taxes on the wealthy, is judged by the Institute for Fiscal Studies as “tiny going on trivial”. Farnsworth compared Starmer’s manifesto with Corbyn’s in 2017 and 2019, Wilson’s in 1964 and Clement Attlee’s of 1945. His first finding is that Starmer’s manifesto, in language and values, is way out of line with Labour tradition. Whether on state schools or universities, progressive taxation or pensioners, Corbyn was the heir to Wilson and Attlee. Where Corbyn’s manifestos are unusual in Labour history is in their emphasis on inequality - which is attacked with more frequency and force than in those of other Labour leaders. But Starmer’s manifesto is the complete opposite: it mentions the word inequality only once. That may be the great missed opportunity of this moment: that the public is ready for change of a kind that is simply not on offer. That a political system prizes continuity and stability over reform and fairness. That a Labour leader should boast of how much he has changed his party, so that it will not change the country. From this article guardian Drill into the policy, ignore the puffery: this is a Starmer manifesto more than a Labour one | Aditya Chakrabortty www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/15/policy-keir-starmer-manifesto-labour-business-tory
Excellent article except that Chakrabortty totally fails to mention that _change _*_IS_*_ on offer_ - on offer from the *Green Party!* #VoteWisely, #VoteGreen! They don't need to be in Government, they just need to be polling strong enough they can kick up a stink whenever Gov't gets it wrong! #VoteWisely, #VoteGreen!
Sad that knowledgeable reporters/critics moan about lack of massive change! Presumably they think that there is spare money about, but they won't tell us where it is!!!!
Time for Labour and Conservative to go! Otherwise there will be no change. Time for a party that cares about the people: 'THE WORKERS PARTY OF BRITAIN' - George Galloway. (Read Manifesto)
Any government of any party is kind of boxed in financially as Truss's approach showed that not doing the maths isn't acceptable. I hope that Labour can introduce some policies to ensure taxation is fairer and not so focussed on income and employment taxes.
Do you know that over the last two/3 years the NS magazine copy has been removed from our big four supermarket shelves. While the Spectator sits on the mid shelf. Why is that ? And who ordered it. Worth an investigation.
@@Sam.o.29 aye sure that’s what Labour are going to do it’s not like they have already said they aren’t raising taxes. Gullible. This a giveaway by Reeves to her banker pals while an ever increasing amount of children live in poverty. The diet Tories
@@boxtradums0073 If you can find a way around the tax, then you can find a way around the cap, and have considerably more financial incentive to do so. Income caps are a fundamentally terrible idea. Taxes are inherently better.
@@boxtradums0073so close the loopholes. If they're serious about growing the economy, they need to stop leaking money like a corporate water pipe, tax it properly and invest it in the public good.
Client journalism at its finest, there's nothing radcial about this manifesto, the policies are unambitious and wouldnt be suprised if we see a large number of voters particularly young and students voting for the greens and lib dems as an alternative
What happened to the 2017 manifesto being the foundational document eh? Stuffed down the back of the sofa along with those 10 pledges from Starmer's leadership campaign. Regret believing him when I voted for him to be leader in 2020
there is an agreement with the house of lords which makes manifesto commitments significantly easier to get through the house of lords (this is called the salisbury convention and iirc was used to set up the NHS initially) so there is that but it's not a lot
If trying hard to come across as the new Tories is the New Statesman's version of 'quietly radical' then yes, Starmer's Labour are being quietly radical.
There is no chance in hell you have described Beth Rigby's interviewing as a "masterclass". It was a car crash from start to finish, she spoke more than Kier and Sunak!
What's interesting about George Eaton, as always, is what he doesn't say. Expecting improvements in services to come from efficiency savings and the greater involvement of the private sector is what David Cameron and George Osborne would have said fifteen years ago. Essentially, Labour plans to continue with austerity - even when the evidence shows it hurts the poor.
Exactly ! And some people actually think Labour aren’t going back to austerity. What do they think Wes Thatcher means when he says no money for the NHs without ‘reform’
Indeed, conservatives atomised the nhs and tony blair implemented privitisation… this has killed the nhs and will continue to do so its whole principle is a single payer having multiple moving parts ruins that. It is literally a david cameron manifesto and if that is radical the overton window has shifted beyond belief.
@@karlclark8625 that’s called codespeak for austerity. Every single health secretary since 2010 has said the exact same thing 🤣. How is he going to pay for over the odds procedures to his private donor pals without cutting it from the existing NHS budget if there is no extra money being given ? It amazes me how financially illiterate and gullible most people are.
I’d say the difference is when the Conservatives say they’re going to improve public services through private provision, it’s usually code for _“We’re going to asset strip this and sell it off to our mates.”_ When Labour say it, there’s a slim chance they might actually want to improve the service.
I'd be curious to know if anyone that isn't a journalist cares whatsoever about the lack of biscuits. It honestly gives the same desperation from journos as Rishi complaining about not having Sky tv growing up
Interesting to see so many comments saying they won't vote Labour (no idea why they waste their time with crap they don't like) but still want to see the manifesto 🤔
The contempt shown to the working people (and indeed those not working) is utterly disgraceful. Would be nice if there was a straight bat and integrity. Lots of smug turkeys are getting very excited by Christmas/4th July.
Trojan horse, with a spot of spite to throw to the union members. That’s the manifesto in a nutshell. I’m genuinely leaning between greens and Libs. Such a shame labour didn’t come out with any exciting flag bearing economic policies. Combine that with a manifesto commitment to not rejoin single market or eu… doomed. It’s a great winning strategy, but just more of the same smoke.
It's an investment fund but it's massively restricted, unlike the one offered by Corbyn in 2017 & '19 or the Greens now. Most countries have them & they put money into the Treasury as the projects they fund mature but they've got to be bigger to work, vote for the Green's one.
Its impossible not to be distracted from what is being said when George in Manchester seem to have such a hard time keeping “eye-contact” with the camera. I keep asking myself what is so interesting in the room he is in that he is unable to concentrate on answering the questions. I gave up listening to him. Awful.
Capital gains tax should be in line with income tax, crazy that it isn't and would bring some consistency to the tax system as well as raising money from the top 1%.
Rishi Sunak also said he drinks lots of Coke , I was a bit shocked as I miss understood and then realised what he said . You are right he should have had some suger
You're just here trying to push a narrative. Labour have been 100% clear for YEARS that they are not interested in a trickle down model, Starmer called it bullshit, the priority is growing the economy to support working people.
Massive expenditure is needed on social housing. That would create a multiplier effect. It's simple Keynesian economics, and the resulting wealth has to be distributed fairly and you have Keynesian socialism - as practised after WW2- even 'Torily' by RAButler..
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence It's an income multiplier. As more housing is built, rents drop leaving more disposable income for families to spend in the wider economy. Even Tory ministers historically built far more social housing; It's a POLITICAL choice now and the continent still builds far more housing via state. Nothing could be more financially burdensome than the 2nd world war. Ww built then and then sold off the housing post 80s with no replacements leading to severe house price inflation accelerated by financialisation of housing stock including the obscene transfer of ownership to buy to let landlords that borrowed cheap credit and benefitted from obscene tax incentives. Millions that would otherwise rent from the state or buy at cheaper prices, now simply rent property from the bank thst supplied corrupt credit to shyster landlords
The Tories just can't help setting the wrong tone. I've never seen a government so disconnected from ordinary people as this one. Sunak dies a thousand deaths every time he makes an appearance. Not so much Shakespearian tragedy. More like a badly written episode of Hollyoaks.
And this is a perfect example of what’s wrong with journalism! Just a bunch of smug entitled kids interested only in themselves and their status. Tea and biscuits..and brat pit. Says it all!
Biscuits, Eurovision and more sniggering at Tory gaffes under the title of Labour manifesto, really, is this the best the NS can do? Come on you’re better than this.
It isn't "quietly radical" but its a start. I voted for Corbyn in 2017 and 2019. We lost. I don't want to keep being the party or voter of "well if everyone voted like me we'd be fine". I liked Keirs response to the protester, "we're done being the party of protest, its time to be the party of power". I'm hoping that 1 term in we DO get more of the 2017 / 19 manifesto back in there but for now its a start
No. I just think they are being managerial. I get no vibe that there will anything more radical from this lot. It’s disappointing
No change with Labour judging by that manifesto!
Reform for me it’s the only way things will change! 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I have some magic beans to sell you
It's glib garbage.
The country is on it's backside, I'm quite happy with quietly radical.
Quietly Radical has got to be the biggest overstatement for = mild
😂👌
Leave the Noisy Radicalist statements to the fraudulent populists.
With the state of the country and economy, they'll need to be mild to avoid making things worse and then build it up to something more radical
Meaning they daren't put much in print or mention it in speaking because they won't be keeping election pledges?
I suggest you actually read the manifesto
To the New Statesman, anything other than Vanilla is radical.
I've really realised how centrist and bad they are.
@@Morning404 the audacity of them to do a "left power" list and they're literally the most uncompromised centrists.
correction: Anything other than Vanilla for the general public is considered radical
@@Red1Green2Blue3 The problem of relativity is that radical status quos make non-radical positions radical.
Jeremy Corbyn losing twice is radical change eh 🤣
Im sure the greens winning 3 seats will bring radical change
Five mins in and still no analysis. Just talking about nothing. Exactly the sort of journalism we need during an election.
wat
Maybe skip that bit or watch the whole thing if you want analysis. 0 attention span
Go to A Different Bias. Phil Moorhouse. He's clever.
Thanks for that, saved me time
statesmen are just tories so why would they discus the disaster for the tories - when they can just waffle to distract you - where they start - labours tax - because of course - peak tories
When will the commentariat realise that the only people who care about tax cuts are those who have a lot of money. Otherwise it's always peanuts
You'd be surprised how many poor people are enraged when parties say they will raise taxes for the top 1% of earners
Let's say benefit from then instead of care about.
@@TheEroticDonkeytrue but whose propaganda are they repeating? That of the Tory client media.
@@TheEroticDonkey but they might leave the country etc, etc
"quietly" is an understatement. silently more like, almost like it's not radical at all
So quiet you have to hold your ear to the wind to hear it
It's a manifesto approved by the establishment and billionaires.
Corbyn brought radical change 🤣🤣
"quietly radical" is "making peers retire at 80" ? Can't wait to see the massive changes this will make to the country.
New Statesman have been a disgrace as it pertains to not so quiet support for Labour, I'm sure many others in here will agree
I have never earned that much, under £15k a year, but would happily pay more tax if it would fix the NHS, and I am sure I'm not the only one.
So vote Green, they're the ones with plans for real-world improvements & if you _do_ happen to end up with income over £10million you'll pay a whopping _one percent_ more tax! (2% over £100million).
Pouring more money down a drain won't make the badly-run privatised NHS any better! The Managers and diversity policies all need sacking with nurses running wards like they used to, under a senior nurse matron!
Its hell for the poor and disabled there keeping every cruel tory policy universal credit and 2 child cap another tory policy and there even going to go along with the torys on disability benefit cuts liz kendall did say it needs to be cut
The 2 child cap was a Corbyn policy.
Actually they have committed to review Universal Credit and tackle poverty.
They have not mentioned any cuts to disability benefits either. Unlike the Tories who have proposed 12.5 billion in cuts and a complete reworking of PIP.
@@hustlinmagic liz kendall has said disability benefits need to be cut
None of the cuts to disability benefits are in the manifesto.
@@karlclark8625 dont need to be in it
Quietly radical and the silence is deafening
Why did the commentator mention the Republic of Ireland during the discussion on the Welsh manifesto and the jokeish call for Wales to enter Eurovision as a separate country? Most baffling. This is a discussion of the UK election. The Republic of Ireland is not part of or party to this. It does show a clearly nuanced disregard for the Republic of Ireland as an entity in the British media...
Perhaps you should read some of it, it's very carefully worded but it suggests potential parliamentary reform.
Really really really quiet...
Spineless politicians and spineless media, complaining about biscuits- she’s had enough 😂
Presumably Brad had a Pitt Crew.
Never knew biscuits and Eurovision were the most important issues at this election 🙄
We know its not radical because you guys are pushing it 😂
Oxymoron of the year: Quietly radical.
Not really. Radical isn't always in-your-face bells & whistles. A manifesto can seem mundane but be quietly transformative if delivered.
@@Sam.o.29I think we are all sick of the tories being 'radical' thank you very much.
@@therealrobertbirchall This Tory government is not at all radical. They’ve just let the same problems continue unaddressed as everything slowly decays.
You haven’t read it
God help us
It’s reasons like placing a bet on the election happening, knowing that you will win the bet, that makes me happy that the Tory party will be no more. Their self-interest stinks and it’s made the country a poorer place in every measurable way
One gp appointment provided through a private contractor will cost twice as much or more than an NHS GP. How is it more cost effective to use expensive contractors over cheaper in-house?
True but since almost all GPs have been private & contracting to the NHS since it began in 1948 what difference are you trying to find? Dentists & opticians refused to join the NHS too.
You're looking at the wrong end, look at the huge American "healthcare" conglomerates paying MPs for slices off the back of the NHS, the same acquisitive corporations that have bought most of the GPs. 😢
Sir Simon Stevens, "saviour of the NHS", was owned by the American megacorp United Health. He now sits in the House of Lords. 😢
Hard to be radical when the country is on it's backside.
Largely the country's own effing fault. If we hadn't fallen for the tory propaganda machine and the allure of filthy lucre in 1979, just think .... that North Sea oil could have done the good for the UK which it did for Norway.
Instead the oil barons buggered off with it and the dregs left here in taxes were used to prop up TINA's insane moneterist dogma in the form of unemployment benefit for 3 million people thrown on the scrap heap and the family silver flogged off for a pittance to tax dodging non doms ..... and here we are.
Attlee managed it in 1945.
Quite the opposite.
We also had an empire and much smaller population and less advanced technology.
Actually it's the time when you need radicalism
Labour voters are against the two child tax. Once in power Labour will try to persuade their voters to agree to this move. Keir is a political realist & will move as soon as he thinks any move is politically possible.
He obviously wants to scrap the limit but without raising taxes they just can’t afford it. I hope the growth strategies start to work over the next year or two as I think that will open up far more spending by Labour on policies such as scrapping the child benefit limit and increases in funding for public services.
@@andrewcharlton6080 If it helps you're both lying to yourselves
I wouldn’t hold my breath on that. I wish I could feel inspired by this Labour Front Bench but I’m not They look too managerial then radical reformers
@@floydcodlin8447I’m not lying that there isn’t any money for these types of policies. The Tory’s have seen to that. Going forward I’m hoping there will be improvements, I can’t be lying when I’m not stating what will happen but what I hope to happen
@@andrewcharlton6080 George Eaton said himself that the problem wasn't the money. It's that Labour doesn't want to look like a welfare party. Until this changes, the Tory press will run this country - as every time they accuse Labour of being profligate, Starmer will move further to the right.
Honestly what is this waffle? Are we going to get any information that isn’t about racing cars or biscuits?
You need to watch beyond the first 5 mins
Why does he keep scanning his surroundings like he's reporting from an active warzone? :)
Because he's in the presence of war mongers and lords ? All I could think of .
Do any of you realise just how much, and why, people despise you, the media?
The party of Wales wants to talk about Wales? Hard to believe.
When have the Anglo’s cared about anyone but themselves
On the 2child cap that's the sort of thing that will be much easier to do in Government than in election.
Farage is against the 2-child cap...
😂😂😂
Get Steve Platt back as a proper left wing, principled and left wing intellectual editor!
People seem to think labour not being "labour" at the moment is a bad thing but they tied that and it didn't work. They need to make a big show of some specific things to draw existing conservative voters and get in power.
We need to remove an incredible toxic and destructive conservation party and ensure they don't get power again. The best thing we can do is have labour government with a strong lib dem opposition.
Once in power labour have the luxary of a gradual shift to the left just how the Tories went to the right. If we swing too hard people will get whiplash and we'll end up with some incompetence and racist party like reform.
Labour "shift to the left" 😂😂😂
Starmer's thrown the Left out of the party!
My issue is that they are not very clear on who that wealth will be created by and for !!
All wealth is created by peoples' efforts. None of it is created by shifting numbers around on a betting chart. That's fake growth.
Maybe Peter Hitchens was right after all about Starmer being a secret Trotskyist 😂😂😂🤣
No secret. Starmer was editor for Pabloite/Trotskyite newspaper "Socialist Alternatives".
How hes keeping every awful tory policy like universal credit and 2 chid cap and even wanting to cut disability benefits as liz kendall said
@@CGlance603 well hes given up on that now
@@CGlance603 What's a Pabloite?
Peter Hitchens lost his mind quite some time ago. Just because he speaks with an educated accent, it doesn't mean he talks sense.
Things like the 2 child limit can be added whenever the finances/political will warrant it. Putting it in the manifesto would be a focal point for attacks from the Tories and right wing media.
But it would at least be a point of principle and the fulfilment of a promise that Starmer made. The manifesto is a damp squib, as expected!
Labour are pro child benefit cap but anti bankers bonuses cap 🤣
I’d say the most radical components were the hints towards electoral reform. Will be absolutely massive if they push for this.
Are you just taking up the role of Labour PR like Laura K was the PR for the Tories for 14 years?
speaking softly but carrying a very big stick of change!
The dogged loyalty of the New Statesman is deeply touching!
Business’ is mentioned 60 times, ‘inequality’ only once. The comparator isn’t any other Labour leader - it’s the Tory Edward Heath
But what kind of change? Not the kind you can count in cash. The extra money the Labour party plans to spend on local government, say, or to raise in taxes on the wealthy, is judged by the Institute for Fiscal Studies as “tiny going on trivial”.
Farnsworth compared Starmer’s manifesto with Corbyn’s in 2017 and 2019, Wilson’s in 1964 and Clement Attlee’s of 1945. His first finding is that Starmer’s manifesto, in language and values, is way out of line with Labour tradition. Whether on state schools or universities, progressive taxation or pensioners, Corbyn was the heir to Wilson and Attlee. Where Corbyn’s manifestos are unusual in Labour history is in their emphasis on inequality - which is attacked with more frequency and force than in those of other Labour leaders. But Starmer’s manifesto is the complete opposite: it mentions the word inequality only once.
That may be the great missed opportunity of this moment: that the public is ready for change of a kind that is simply not on offer. That a political system prizes continuity and stability over reform and fairness. That a Labour leader should boast of how much he has changed his party, so that it will not change the country.
From this article guardian Drill into the policy, ignore the puffery: this is a Starmer manifesto more than a Labour one | Aditya Chakrabortty
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/15/policy-keir-starmer-manifesto-labour-business-tory
Excellent article except that Chakrabortty totally fails to mention that _change _*_IS_*_ on offer_ - on offer from the *Green Party!*
#VoteWisely, #VoteGreen!
They don't need to be in Government, they just need to be polling strong enough they can kick up a stink whenever Gov't gets it wrong!
#VoteWisely, #VoteGreen!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Y'all spend so much energy on tactics without discussing the merits of policy and strategy
God this really is the worst type of client journalism
And what, prithee is client journalism, when it's at home?
Sad that knowledgeable reporters/critics moan about lack of massive change! Presumably they think that there is spare money about, but they won't tell us where it is!!!!
where are you getting "knowledgeable" from? 😂
Time for Labour and Conservative to go!
Otherwise there will be no change.
Time for a party that cares about the people:
'THE WORKERS PARTY OF BRITAIN'
- George Galloway. (Read Manifesto)
Any government of any party is kind of boxed in financially as Truss's approach showed that not doing the maths isn't acceptable.
I hope that Labour can introduce some policies to ensure taxation is fairer and not so focussed on income and employment taxes.
You're of course welcome to your hopes & dreams but in the world of cold hard reality the Green Party are the ones offering fairer taxation.
Thin gruel.
Do you know that over the last two/3 years the NS magazine copy has been removed from our big four supermarket shelves.
While the Spectator sits on the mid shelf.
Why is that ?
And who ordered it.
Worth an investigation.
HOW CAN BRITSH TALK SOOOOO MUCH AND SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Cos they middle class
The Anglo’s you mean
The Labour Party pro child benefit cap but anti bankers bonuses cap. Says it all really 🙄
Why cap bankers bonuses? Let them make their bonuses but tax them to high heaven, that's an idea.
@@Sam.o.29 aye sure that’s what Labour are going to do it’s not like they have already said they aren’t raising taxes. Gullible. This a giveaway by Reeves to her banker pals while an ever increasing amount of children live in poverty. The diet Tories
@@Sam.o.29aye sure they won’t find a loophole out of the many that already exists to avoid being taxed 🙄
@@boxtradums0073 If you can find a way around the tax, then you can find a way around the cap, and have considerably more financial incentive to do so.
Income caps are a fundamentally terrible idea. Taxes are inherently better.
@@boxtradums0073so close the loopholes. If they're serious about growing the economy, they need to stop leaking money like a corporate water pipe, tax it properly and invest it in the public good.
Radical ??? Give me a break
Even parents who send their children to private schools say its hard to defend no vat on fees
Wheres the analysis?
Client journalism at its finest, there's nothing radcial about this manifesto, the policies are unambitious and wouldnt be suprised if we see a large number of voters particularly young and students voting for the greens and lib dems as an alternative
As long as they aren’t voting Tory, that’s all good
@@cardwitch91no one is voting Tory and if they do send them my way
It's just more austerity and here they are celebrating the perpetuation of the misery we've become accustomed to.
No new ideas, no real change.
LibDems and Greens won't be in power so they can promise anything without needing to worry about delivery.
What happened to the 2017 manifesto being the foundational document eh? Stuffed down the back of the sofa along with those 10 pledges from Starmer's leadership campaign. Regret believing him when I voted for him to be leader in 2020
NOT VOTING LABOUR
Nobody cares
I am.
@@stuartbeard966Tory
@boxtradums0073 no I'm voting Labour.
@@stuartbeard966 because they are now the diet Tories
Kid Starver & The Friends of Genocide
Not to mention Wes Thatcher
So quiet its no wonder we're left wondering by Sir Starmerer if Labour are actually substantively saying anything.
Unless or until political manifestos become legally binding they should be considered meaningless and worthless.
They're _morally_ binding, if you vote for MPs _with morals_ it works.
there is an agreement with the house of lords which makes manifesto commitments significantly easier to get through the house of lords (this is called the salisbury convention and iirc was used to set up the NHS initially) so there is that but it's not a lot
I'm voting reform
My brain hurts
@@welshaccenttutorials3104 My country hurts.
Due to right wing ideology
Well done
@@tonyryan1574. Who said it’s “your” country ?
So immensely quiet that- it isn't radical at all.
If trying hard to come across as the new Tories is the New Statesman's version of 'quietly radical' then yes, Starmer's Labour are being quietly radical.
Quietly radical lol give it up will ya.
Highly appreciated
There is no chance in hell you have described Beth Rigby's interviewing as a "masterclass". It was a car crash from start to finish, she spoke more than Kier and Sunak!
Is that the sound of quiet radicalism just underneath the crickets chirruping and my tinnitus?
I am a Labour voter come on kier we are all waiting for you!
If the ballot paper requires the correct spelling of his name, you’re going to spoil it.
Gross!
@@andrewta55in fairness that is how the new statesman spelled it in the description:) luckily it won't affect their vote, no spelling required :)
I blame it on 14 years of conservative chaos and austerity in education 😂
@@andrewta55no such thing
What's interesting about George Eaton, as always, is what he doesn't say. Expecting improvements in services to come from efficiency savings and the greater involvement of the private sector is what David Cameron and George Osborne would have said fifteen years ago. Essentially, Labour plans to continue with austerity - even when the evidence shows it hurts the poor.
Exactly ! And some people actually think Labour aren’t going back to austerity. What do they think Wes Thatcher means when he says no money for the NHs without ‘reform’
Indeed, conservatives atomised the nhs and tony blair implemented privitisation… this has killed the nhs and will continue to do so its whole principle is a single payer having multiple moving parts ruins that. It is literally a david cameron manifesto and if that is radical the overton window has shifted beyond belief.
Wes has said that he intends on looking at how the money is being spent, to find the funds for reform.
@@karlclark8625 that’s called codespeak for austerity. Every single health secretary since 2010 has said the exact same thing 🤣. How is he going to pay for over the odds procedures to his private donor pals without cutting it from the existing NHS budget if there is no extra money being given ? It amazes me how financially illiterate and gullible most people are.
I’d say the difference is when the Conservatives say they’re going to improve public services through private provision, it’s usually code for _“We’re going to asset strip this and sell it off to our mates.”_ When Labour say it, there’s a slim chance they might actually want to improve the service.
I'd be curious to know if anyone that isn't a journalist cares whatsoever about the lack of biscuits. It honestly gives the same desperation from journos as Rishi complaining about not having Sky tv growing up
Journalists direct the voting of most of the electorate so their attitude towards the various parties is relevant.
Interesting to see so many comments saying they won't vote Labour (no idea why they waste their time with crap they don't like) but still want to see the manifesto 🤔
They want to see the manifesto because there are enough gullible Anglo’s to vote for the diet Tory’s anyway 😉
The contempt shown to the working people (and indeed those not working) is utterly disgraceful. Would be nice if there was a straight bat and integrity. Lots of smug turkeys are getting very excited by Christmas/4th July.
What contempt would that be? How many pages of the manifesto have you read? I'm guessing none
@@gio-oz8gfhow about their plan to cut disability benefits ? The fact they are already scaling back on abolishing ‘non dom’ status ?
@andrewta666……you are talking about 14 years of Tory fiscal incompetence ?
Jeremy Corbyn lost two elections, you need to get over it.
Trojan horse, with a spot of spite to throw to the union members. That’s the manifesto in a nutshell. I’m genuinely leaning between greens and Libs. Such a shame labour didn’t come out with any exciting flag bearing economic policies. Combine that with a manifesto commitment to not rejoin single market or eu… doomed. It’s a great winning strategy, but just more of the same smoke.
I wonder how long it will be before the wheels on the bus start to fall off. By Christmas after the spending review!
It's time for a change and that's what we're going to get.
The Tory Manifesto launch was a BRING YOUR OWN BISCUITS for the Press
(NO MONEY LEFT)
Man she wanted some biscuits ....
She did! Thorough debate on refreshments. Deep…
The betting shop would have limited such a bet. They'd only allow a hundred pounds on a political bet of that nature.
I think the “racing-car/biscuits” Venn-overlap is almost 87%…..😮
Would someone please explain what labour actually mean by "making money for the British people" om regards to GB Energy
It's an investment fund but it's massively restricted, unlike the one offered by Corbyn in 2017 & '19 or the Greens now.
Most countries have them & they put money into the Treasury as the projects they fund mature but they've got to be bigger to work, vote for the Green's one.
Its impossible not to be distracted from what is being said when George in Manchester seem to have such a hard time keeping “eye-contact” with the camera. I keep asking myself what is so interesting in the room he is in that he is unable to concentrate on answering the questions. I gave up listening to him. Awful.
Money money money. I'm worried Starmer will over promise and then find things in such a mess...
Starmer has already under promised, he's offering #MoreOfTheSame & an intensification of the austerity we've been suffering since 2010
If Wales win Eurovision, which I now expect (I'm Welsh), they'll have to host and pay for it.
I had a “quietly radical” bowel-movement this morning…still not sure how i feel about it…?🧐
Capital gains tax should be in line with income tax, crazy that it isn't and would bring some consistency to the tax system as well as raising money from the top 1%.
Moving Dividends & Drawings from CGT into Income Tax is probably what you're looking for.
Rishi Sunak also said he drinks lots of Coke , I was a bit shocked as I miss understood and then realised what he said . You are right he should have had some suger
Sorry can't vote for that to make my country worst
Reform will do that.
Me neither! Reform for me too! 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@Sharpcarbon6thicko
I'm technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Rishi used Silverstone so he could get a fast getaway.
He's as crooked as Verstappen.
number 1 priority = creation of wealth - for who? the already mega rich, starmer himself? certainly not ordinary people thats for sure
I think Starmer is quite clear on his ambitions for 'normal people', he bangs on about them all the time and rightly so
You're just here trying to push a narrative. Labour have been 100% clear for YEARS that they are not interested in a trickle down model, Starmer called it bullshit, the priority is growing the economy to support working people.
Why are all the left and centre journos repeating the same line?
which "line"?
where are you finding "left & centre journos"?
@@alanhat5252 "Radical"
Perhaps they all independently came to the same conclusion.
Perhaps they read others' views before leaping to simplicities.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Maybe they were very "Forensic"
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence 🤣🤣🤣
"[Sunak] is known to be a good man -" ? like what?
What copium? Quietly radical.. ughh.. an empty manifesto.
Fedup from tories
Literally no council housing
Massive expenditure is needed on social housing.
That would create a multiplier effect. It's simple Keynesian economics, and the resulting wealth has to be distributed fairly and you have Keynesian socialism - as practised after WW2- even 'Torily' by RAButler..
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence It's an income multiplier.
As more housing is built, rents drop leaving more disposable income for families to spend in the wider economy.
Even Tory ministers historically built far more social housing; It's a POLITICAL choice now and the continent still builds far more housing via state.
Nothing could be more financially burdensome than the 2nd world war. Ww built then and then sold off the housing post 80s with no replacements leading to severe house price inflation accelerated by financialisation of housing stock including the obscene transfer of ownership to buy to let landlords that borrowed cheap credit and benefitted from obscene tax incentives.
Millions that would otherwise rent from the state or buy at cheaper prices, now simply rent property from the bank thst supplied corrupt credit to shyster landlords
They are out of touch with humans and the necessity of eating.
You are referring to the various Tory governments of the last 14 years ?
@@californiadreamin8423 the people who organised the trip to Silverstone
The Tories just can't help setting the wrong tone. I've never seen a government so disconnected from ordinary people as this one. Sunak dies a thousand deaths every time he makes an appearance. Not so much Shakespearian tragedy. More like a badly written episode of Hollyoaks.
Right because the tories were so liberal in all their policies ….. by your rationale Labour are the new tories ….
well as it happens...
RADICAL what planet are you 2 on
One which hasn't been brainwashed by Sky News and the BBC presumably. The constitutional reforms planned by brown are indeed radical
Here's a good one:
Saving of £15 billions... VAT on private school fees.
Wait, isn't that taxation ?
It's called good taxation.
@@stuartbeard966 Tax on education is good ? Wow.
@@jasonsccheung3831 tax on the elite is definitely a "wow" situation 👏
@@stuartbeard966 Education, don't deflect.
@@stuartbeard966 Calling it a saving is deceitful.
Radical ? Do me a favour
And this is a perfect example of what’s wrong with journalism! Just a bunch of smug entitled kids interested only in themselves and their status. Tea and biscuits..and brat pit. Says it all!
Biscuits, Eurovision and more sniggering at Tory gaffes under the title of Labour manifesto, really, is this the best the NS can do? Come on you’re better than this.
She is really hungry.
Keir is spelled wrong in the description
More like Britain, "finally meeting its Waterloo"