My Full Review is Here: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/z-skinny-classical-guitar-support/ The piece I play in the demo is an easy Sarabande by David Kellner (c.1670-1748) from my Easy Collection Vol.2: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/easy-classical-guitar-volume-2/
I am a luthier and player. It is not easy to clean the remained sticky tapes only with bare fingers. For easy removal of the sticky tapes I have tested on many guitars with shellac finish, lacquer and urethane and verified that there is no damage on the finish at all when I use WD40, Goo Gone and two more sticker removers. I also used the dish detergent and water towel to clean finally for reattach the Z-Skinny Support. There has been no damage even on the shellac finish after long time attachment of the Z-Skinny support. I am using this without any concern of damage on the guitar finishing.
Great Demo. A Month ago (after watching your excellent Guitar Suppoert Comparison Video)i´ve bought myself a Gitano and also an Ergo Tappert. Pretty happy with both of them. On the other hand... would i´ve known about that skinny one... it would have been on the List as well. Like it how it fits so perfectyl to the Curves of the Guitar. Cool and thoughtrful Design Design. Anyway... cool Demo. Like your Test/Demo Videos as much as i like the playing ones :) Best Greetings :)
I like the idea of "always on the guitar." And while I am also a bit nervous about the adhesive, I think I could live with it. However, my main concern is flexibility. What I mean is that every now and then (say every few weeks or months), I want to adjust the position of the guitar. Sometimes I change to a steeper/flatter angle and move the guitar to the left or to the right. The GuitarLift I currently use allows me to do just that easily. Would such adjustments be possible with the Z-Skinny? My impression is that once it is stuck on the guitar, you have to live with the available combinations of height/angle and the resulting position of the leg rest.
Actually you really have to put the support in an exact place anyway to fit the contour of the guitar and to fit in your case so ya, not quite as adjustable.
I find using a guitar strap more ergonomically comfortable for my own self. I had to drill some holes to attach the screw straps. It's not a high end guitar so I wasn't too worried. I was scared at first lol but was pretty easy to drill the holes..it's not for everyone. I had a low end Yamaha classical guitar..my first classical guitar..that came with factory strap screws installed and I really liked it since then.
The Aaron Shearer program offers a guitar strap, which I have used for a couple of years. It works well for standing play. I also use a support for sitting practice. Therefore I was very interested in this option.
Bradford... you are a gutsy guy putting that sticky support on an over $100.00 guitar. Based on your review of the SageWork support several years ago. I bought that and am very happy with the magnet system. I use the sage on my higher-end Burguet.The permanent magnets reside inside the instrument sight unseen adhered with 3-m command strips. And because the outer magnets attached to the support are covered in cork, I need not worry about damage to the finish. I currently use a Gitano support on my smaller 7/8 Cordoba C10 Parlor. It's ok but not as adjustable at the SageWork. I'm thinking of putting magnets in the Cordoba and just using the same SageWork support, swapping it back in forth since I can only hold and play one guitar at a time. I figure when you dish out over a thousand smack-a-roos on an Axe, you should treat it like family and be kind and gentle with it and other than a bandaid I would never put sticky tape on anyone in my family. 😁
Ya, at the same time I feel my guitar is a tool and one that gets used a lot so wear and tear is part of the deal. But ya, I'm apprehensive about the adhesive but I think this support has a ton of potential.
Bradford, I totally agree with you on the premise that our guitars are “tools” of sorts. And yes I also agree with you that over the span of time and the amount of time we use these “tools” that they will acquire scratches and dings along the way. That is a given. But my argument is why subject it to unnecessary damage, such might occur using a device that uses a strong bonding agent. I would consider using this device on a low-end (under $300) laminated guitar. But on my expensive, all solid rosewood “artisan”, “small shop”, “luthier built” instrument… ain’t never gonna happen..! I have too much respect for the instrument, and especially the artist who made it. At first I was even hesitant on using the SageWork support on my Burguet until I did some extensive research. Also, going on the premise that a guitar is a tool begs the question; would you enter a demolition derby driving your $300K Rolls Royce Phantom? After all a car is the tool that’s used for these derbies. 😉 FYI, big fan of your presentations and lessons... Love your books too... ! @@Thisisclassicalguitar
Thanks for posting this very thorough review, Bradford. I also like to sometimes position my guitar more to the right. I use either a Gitano or Tenuto support on my right thigh in this case. Would the Z-Skinny be more stable for this?
Well, the adhesive is pretty strong. I've heard from a few people that their's came off but even they admitted that they have a bad habit of really pushing down too hard on the guitar while playing. I think the updated design would help though.
Thanks for the video!! I love the idea and id like to test it, but i have a question. Is it strong? I have a Murata, which I love using, and I want to change it because every now and then it can be a pain in the butt, and sometimes I tend to hug my guitar and push it down a little bit when Im taking a quick break or when im reading. I mean, im not heavy, but id like to know if it is as weak as it looks.
Do you mean that the Murata rod collapses in height? I could see that. This support locks into place so I think your guitar would break before the support. The adhesive is super strong so I doubt it would come off. That said, it's probably bad to put any weight on any support because guitars are generally not built to have pressure applied in weird ways from supports anyway. Be careful!
The idea is cool but I would not want to tape or glue anything onto my guitar. The ergoplay tappert is great for home usage with it's suction cups. It however does not travel too nice. Can't fit one in a standard case.
Hmm looks very nice , i would use it I think , what if you stick it on not exactly in correct position ? I’m using the Woodside support at the moment and I’m starting to tire of it , I’d like a change . Had the guitar lift in mind
Ya, be very careful attaching it. But it has to go in the contoured section of your guitar so you just mark it with a sticky tab they provide...pretty easy in that way. Yes, it's a tricky one to just try out. Guitarlift is great BTW. Although I use my Ergoplay Troster pretty much all the time at home.
Guitarlift is fantastic. Super easy to adjust for different sitting positions and instruments. It also has the added sonic benefit that comes from keeping the back of the guitar off your body.
Will a Cordoba C12 fit in its case with the Skinny Swivel attached? It's already a pretty snug fit. I want to keep the case because it has the built in humidifier. What is the vinyl cling you use as a guitar protector?
I can't say for certain but my Cordoba C10 worked in the video. There are brands for the vinyl made by companies for guitar specifically but I use a generic stuff called Grafix ClingViynl which is nice and cheap. At your risk of course, depending on your finish. Links at my gear page: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/classical-guitar-store-reviews/
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks. I'd be sold if it wasn't for the attachment method with glue. I really like the design but I think they are going to lose lots of sales because of that. I'd see no problem having suction cups instead. It would still be foldable and fit in the case like the Gitano or the Posa. I might be tempted to get one remove the glue pad and drill openings for suction cups. The Posa cups are very good and stay on for weeks.
Yea theyre great - until the internal magnets fall off which has happened to both my guitars. Also very difficult to put in even without strings on unless you have a small hand or a big sound hole!!
@@davidcook3795 The first time -on my little Martin 12fret acoustic it was about a month or so and it just spontaneously fell off. Second time around - with a new “Cadenza” classical - I was super cautious and left the support attached to the instrument and left the guitar uncased with it still attached. After two or three days I wanted to put the guitar in its case, as I eased off the support the internal magnet that was attached in the lower bout came adrift! Of course it makes an alarming clattering noise when it is free to move about inside! Managed to fish it out with a meat skewer! Real shame as the support itself is great but sadly these issues have put me off now!
@@hrothgar2002 hey Roger, it is really important that the guitar is cleaned well where the magnets will be placed. There can be a lot of residual dust and debris from the building process. Naphtha works well for this and won’t harm the guitar or finish. The adhesive strips are very strong when adhered to a clean substrate. Just a thought 😊
The semi-permanently attachment is both a convenience and a drawback. I would want the same support for all of my guitars so I would need to buy multiples of these. The support I use now attaches with magnets and is easily swapped among my guitars. The adhesive? I don't think it would bother the urethane finish on my factory-made guitars. I am curious about damping from the foam layer. Probably not something I could hear or measure.
It was great but I applied an extra amount pressure after the review and the vinyl came off so it's not a solution. I wish it were. I think maybe the light adhesive version from Kling-on might work but probably not.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks. It helps to know. A bit too much for me to adhere it right to a guitar body... Really appreciate. your lessons, reviews, etc. - John B.
I am a luthier and player. It is not easy to clean the remained sticky tapes only with bare fingers. For easy removal of the sticky tapes I have tested on many guitars with shellac finish, lacquer and urethane and verified that there is no damage on the finish at all when I use WD40, Goo Gone and two more sticker removers. I also used the dish detergent and water paper to clean finally for reattach the Z-Skinny Support. There has been no damage even on the shellac finish after long time attachment of the Z-Skinny support. I am using this without any concern of damage on the guitar finishing.
Haha, I understand, I actually really like the support but I'm still hesitant about the adhesive myself. Although, the more time that passes I'm getting more comfortable. If the static cling would hold I'd use it in a second.
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My Full Review is Here: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/z-skinny-classical-guitar-support/
The piece I play in the demo is an easy Sarabande by David Kellner (c.1670-1748) from my Easy Collection Vol.2: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/easy-classical-guitar-volume-2/
I am a luthier and player. It is not easy to clean the remained sticky tapes only with bare fingers. For easy removal of the sticky tapes I have tested on many guitars with shellac finish, lacquer and urethane and verified that there is no damage on the finish at all when I use WD40, Goo Gone and two more sticker removers. I also used the dish detergent and water towel to clean finally for reattach the Z-Skinny Support. There has been no damage even on the shellac finish after long time attachment of the Z-Skinny support. I am using this without any concern of damage on the guitar finishing.
Great Demo. A Month ago (after watching your excellent Guitar Suppoert Comparison Video)i´ve bought myself a Gitano and also an Ergo Tappert. Pretty happy with both of them. On the other hand... would i´ve known about that skinny one... it would have been on the List as well. Like it how it fits so perfectyl to the Curves of the Guitar. Cool and thoughtrful Design Design. Anyway... cool Demo. Like your Test/Demo Videos as much as i like the playing ones :) Best Greetings :)
Thanks!
I like the idea of "always on the guitar." And while I am also a bit nervous about the adhesive, I think I could live with it. However, my main concern is flexibility. What I mean is that every now and then (say every few weeks or months), I want to adjust the position of the guitar. Sometimes I change to a steeper/flatter angle and move the guitar to the left or to the right. The GuitarLift I currently use allows me to do just that easily. Would such adjustments be possible with the Z-Skinny? My impression is that once it is stuck on the guitar, you have to live with the available combinations of height/angle and the resulting position of the leg rest.
Actually you really have to put the support in an exact place anyway to fit the contour of the guitar and to fit in your case so ya, not quite as adjustable.
I find using a guitar strap more ergonomically comfortable for my own self. I had to drill some holes to attach the screw straps. It's not a high end guitar so I wasn't too worried. I was scared at first lol but was pretty easy to drill the holes..it's not for everyone. I had a low end Yamaha classical guitar..my first classical guitar..that came with factory strap screws installed and I really liked it since then.
Ya, it comes down to what people are willing to do for the support they like!
The Aaron Shearer program offers a guitar strap, which I have used for a couple of years. It works well for standing play. I also use a support for sitting practice. Therefore I was very interested in this option.
Bradford... you are a gutsy guy putting that sticky support on an over $100.00 guitar. Based on your review of the SageWork support several years ago. I bought that and am very happy with the magnet system. I use the sage on my higher-end Burguet.The permanent magnets reside inside the instrument sight unseen adhered with 3-m command strips. And because the outer magnets attached to the support are covered in cork, I need not worry about damage to the finish. I currently use a Gitano support on my smaller 7/8 Cordoba C10 Parlor. It's ok but not as adjustable at the SageWork. I'm thinking of putting magnets in the Cordoba and just using the same SageWork support, swapping it back in forth since I can only hold and play one guitar at a time. I figure when you dish out over a thousand smack-a-roos on an Axe, you should treat it like family and be kind and gentle with it and other than a bandaid I would never put sticky tape on anyone in my family. 😁
Ya, at the same time I feel my guitar is a tool and one that gets used a lot so wear and tear is part of the deal. But ya, I'm apprehensive about the adhesive but I think this support has a ton of potential.
Bradford, I totally agree with you on the premise that our guitars are “tools” of sorts. And yes I also agree with you that over the span of time and the amount of time we use these “tools” that they will acquire scratches and dings along the way. That is a given. But my argument is why subject it to unnecessary damage, such might occur using a device that uses a strong bonding agent.
I would consider using this device on a low-end (under $300) laminated guitar. But on my expensive, all solid rosewood “artisan”, “small shop”, “luthier built” instrument… ain’t never gonna happen..! I have too much respect for the instrument, and especially the artist who made it. At first I was even hesitant on using the SageWork support on my Burguet until I did some extensive research.
Also, going on the premise that a guitar is a tool begs the question; would you enter a demolition derby driving your $300K Rolls Royce Phantom? After all a car is the tool that’s used for these derbies. 😉
FYI, big fan of your presentations and lessons... Love your books too... !
@@Thisisclassicalguitar
Great video! I was wondering why all the proffessional players use foot stools? Is it just habit?
That is really changing these days, most of the new younger generation of pros are on guitar supports I'd say.
Can shellac handle the adhesive?
Prices?
Thanks for posting this very thorough review, Bradford. I also like to sometimes position my guitar more to the right. I use either a Gitano or Tenuto support on my right thigh in this case. Would the Z-Skinny be more stable for this?
Well, the adhesive is pretty strong. I've heard from a few people that their's came off but even they admitted that they have a bad habit of really pushing down too hard on the guitar while playing. I think the updated design would help though.
Thanks for the video!! I love the idea and id like to test it, but i have a question. Is it strong?
I have a Murata, which I love using, and I want to change it because every now and then it can be a pain in the butt, and sometimes I tend to hug my guitar and push it down a little bit when Im taking a quick break or when im reading. I mean, im not heavy, but id like to know if it is as weak as it looks.
Do you mean that the Murata rod collapses in height? I could see that. This support locks into place so I think your guitar would break before the support. The adhesive is super strong so I doubt it would come off. That said, it's probably bad to put any weight on any support because guitars are generally not built to have pressure applied in weird ways from supports anyway. Be careful!
The sticky tape is very strong to use.
The idea is cool but I would not want to tape or glue anything onto my guitar. The ergoplay tappert is great for home usage with it's suction cups. It however does not travel too nice. Can't fit one in a standard case.
Ya I was apprehensive too but how cool would it be to just take the guitar out of the case and have it on there. It's worth exploring.
Awesome!!!
My guitar has goma laca, this sticks?
It will stick on a French polish but you'll want to think carefully about it as French polish is quite fragile so removal is the concern.
COOL
Hmm looks very nice , i would use it I think , what if you stick it on not exactly in correct position ?
I’m using the Woodside support at the moment and I’m starting to tire of it , I’d like a change . Had the guitar lift in mind
Ya, be very careful attaching it. But it has to go in the contoured section of your guitar so you just mark it with a sticky tab they provide...pretty easy in that way. Yes, it's a tricky one to just try out. Guitarlift is great BTW. Although I use my Ergoplay Troster pretty much all the time at home.
Guitarlift is fantastic. Super easy to adjust for different sitting positions and instruments. It also has the added sonic benefit that comes from keeping the back of the guitar off your body.
Will a Cordoba C12 fit in its case with the Skinny Swivel attached? It's already a pretty snug fit. I want to keep the case because it has the built in humidifier.
What is the vinyl cling you use as a guitar protector?
I can't say for certain but my Cordoba C10 worked in the video. There are brands for the vinyl made by companies for guitar specifically but I use a generic stuff called Grafix ClingViynl which is nice and cheap. At your risk of course, depending on your finish. Links at my gear page: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/classical-guitar-store-reviews/
Thanks Brad, what's the width of the piece that goes on the guitar. What about narrow body guitars?
It fit on my 3/4 size guitar as well as my full size so I think you'll be ok. It's about 8.5cm
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks. I'd be sold if it wasn't for the attachment method with glue. I really like the design but I think they are going to lose lots of sales because of that.
I'd see no problem having suction cups instead. It would still be foldable and fit in the case like the Gitano or the Posa. I might be tempted to get one remove the glue pad and drill openings for suction cups. The Posa cups are very good and stay on for weeks.
That is a cool idea, but I like the magnets on my sageworks guitar rest.
Ya, the magnets seem to work well, at least the adhesive is on the inside but I don't love that either.
Yea theyre great - until the internal magnets fall off which has happened to both my guitars. Also very difficult to put in even without strings on unless you have a small hand or a big sound hole!!
Roger, how long did the strips last before falling off?
@@davidcook3795 The first time -on my little Martin 12fret acoustic it was about a month or so and it just spontaneously fell off. Second time around - with a new “Cadenza” classical - I was super cautious and left the support attached to the instrument and left the guitar uncased with it still attached. After two or three days I wanted to put the guitar in its case, as I eased off the support the internal magnet that was attached in the lower bout came adrift! Of course it makes an alarming clattering noise when it is free to move about inside! Managed to fish it out with a meat skewer! Real shame as the support itself is great but sadly these issues have put me off now!
@@hrothgar2002 hey Roger, it is really important that the guitar is cleaned well where the magnets will be placed. There can be a lot of residual dust and debris from the building process. Naphtha works well for this and won’t harm the guitar or finish. The adhesive strips are very strong when adhered to a clean substrate. Just a thought 😊
I don't see the large leg pad on their website. How did you get to it?
That one might still be in production. To be honest I'd just go with the regular one, it's totally fine.
The semi-permanently attachment is both a convenience and a drawback. I would want the same support for all of my guitars so I would need to buy multiples of these. The support I use now attaches with magnets and is easily swapped among my guitars. The adhesive? I don't think it would bother the urethane finish on my factory-made guitars. I am curious about damping from the foam layer. Probably not something I could hear or measure.
Good point about the multiple guitars!
How do like it with the clear cling wrap on your guitar underneath the adhesive?
It was great but I applied an extra amount pressure after the review and the vinyl came off so it's not a solution. I wish it were. I think maybe the light adhesive version from Kling-on might work but probably not.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks. It helps to know. A bit too much for me to adhere it right to a guitar body... Really appreciate. your lessons, reviews, etc. - John B.
I am a luthier and player. It is not easy to clean the remained sticky tapes only with bare fingers. For easy removal of the sticky tapes I have tested on many guitars with shellac finish, lacquer and urethane and verified that there is no damage on the finish at all when I use WD40, Goo Gone and two more sticker removers. I also used the dish detergent and water paper to clean finally for reattach the Z-Skinny Support. There has been no damage even on the shellac finish after long time attachment of the Z-Skinny support. I am using this without any concern of damage on the guitar finishing.
I don't see left-handed versions. That would be a deal breaker for me.
They are going to be making lots of innovations, keep an eye out for it all.
I'm one of those guys who hears "adhesive" and runs screaming for the hills. I think I'll always stick with the tried and true footstool
Haha, I understand, I actually really like the support but I'm still hesitant about the adhesive myself. Although, the more time that passes I'm getting more comfortable. If the static cling would hold I'd use it in a second.