If you want a justification for Heresy Era marines, just say their ship was stuck in the warp for a while, and 10 hours for them, turned out to be 10k years in material world
Last I checked you start with 0, get 5 in the first strategic phase.. If the sisters leader kills a marine you get 2 more (or 1 vs a normal operative) So you'd think the sisters run out quite quickly usually Also they are talking about halving damage.. I dot. See it anywhere in the app what am I missing?
@@danielburks2257 ah.. That sounds super niche though. They literally have to contest a mision/objective or it doesn't work. (not control or be I controlled range of, it specifically says contest)
@ Not that niche especially when there's only 3 objectives in this edition of Kill Team. I would say 70-80% of the game is spend fighting for objectives. And a big weaknesses for squishy teams is models getting killed after touching a point. For a model with 8 wounds it makes it so a 3/4 has to take 3 shots to kill it. Even a 4/5 plasma pistol isn't a 2 shot anymore. This is before we even account for cover saves, combined that with the healing strat and it's outright busted of a combo that should get nerfed
@@tremolo_painter They look like Noh masks, or those jester/comedy masks... gives them a creepy vibe. Looks cool. (the "We have Harlequins at home" lol)
What I've learned from this video is that Novitiates don't take no sass from nobody and that a late-night filter-less Brad is a force to be reckoned with.
Love your guys simple yet effective paint schemes, to many get over complicated... Me!.. I always try and do 3 or 4 colors and end up with half my palette looking like some kinda "modern art." I enjoy the process, but sometimes simple looks best. Those are some hauted looking nuns, lol!
Hi guys! I love your battle reports! A quick tip with AoD, you usually want to play Indomitus Tp 2 and 3 and even 4 if you have enough CP. You had 4 CP left at the end, there was one or two rolls where it could have made a difference.
Super minor thing but at 12:00 I don’t think you would’ve retained 2 crits, Severe only triggers if you don’t have any crits so using Faith Points to retain one of the dice as a crit would have turned off the crit from Severe
Loved seeing the RG be on the table and in a game! Clearly need to get some black and white dice as a reset for the beaky boys, and next game we can expect to see the dice be favored by Corax c:>
I played this exact matchup as AoD. Never have I felt so angry after a game as having so many occurrences of shooting them and then having them still be on full health. Pretty sure your only chance to win is 6 assault intercessors.
I feel that not takin a doctrine in TP2 was a massive mistake. That no-reroll aura is only 3" and Balanced on melee and then (with captain) on that gunner could've resulted in both Purgatus and Leader dying.
lol i haven't even watched the video yet and this is probably a coincidence but I asked you to do a video with the Novitiates 2 weeks ago and you did... THANKS!!!
Been enjoying an AoD list of: Cap+Sniper+AssaultGrenadier+Underbarrel+ a pair of Intercessors ( everybody has Stalkers. Duelist+Sharpshooter tactics ) Usually go all racial equipments, but sometimes swap Tilt Shields for Smokes
I'm surprised Vic didn't use Severe from Sharpshooter Chapter Tactic much to get rid of the Superior faster. Maybe I'm missing something though, I'm new to KT. Anyway, I love your channel, my favorite by far, love the vibes, love the chill approach to the game, love the complicity between you two guys! Keep up the good work!
Good lord those Novitiates... I was going to make a joke about having "Harlequins at home" based on the face paint but god damn, these sisters did a fairly lore accurate impression of actual Harlequins... I love that paint job on sisters, makes them look really creepy. Overall an Interesting and brutal match, emphasis on brutal... that heal/damage redux combo has to be an oversight right? Seems way to powerful to have both together, but this is only one match maybe its different in others.
Vic, please write your faction rules on sticky tape and stick it to Brad’s forehead. The number of times Severe would have made a difference was mind boggling. You took the chapter tactic for that reason and then seemed to forget it.
I really wish there were a skirmish game for Horus Heresy. There are so many accessories available to really customize individual models. One box of 20 dudes would be enough for 2 players! A man can dream, a man can dream!
That intro though.. anyways.. yey new Mountainside tabletop batrep. Edit: I was on my morning walk when i was thinking i wish someone put up an AoD vs Novitiates batrep.
Ouch, that's the first battle report you've done that wasn't fun. Not your fault! But the Novitiates just felt so overpowered that Vic had no chance. Painful. I hope GW balances them soon.
@@eric_intotheunknown the thing about the team is they can feel overpowered when things like this video happen but one or two dice go the other way and the team can feel super weak. they have to survive the sequence to heal and I have definitely played some games where I've said multiple times I'm not going to spend any faint points because it doesn't matter this unit is dead and just got ran through.
@juicilicious i feel like you can say the same about the other way with angels of death. What is supposed to be one of the strongest ended up doing very little here. Angels of death have to confirm kills or their activations are essentially a waste. if they dont get kills then the enemy will just swarm the field. With a 3+, this should sound doable, but As we saw, it kinda got ran navigates some bad rolls and actually ended up healing the noviates.
While I doubt it would have changed the results, do we know if there is a reason Vic never took the free success from accurate when shooting from an elevated position? Do the Sisters prevent that? I know when I'm rolling so poorly, I love free successes.
So I've registered for my first ever tournament and I was planning on bringing Novitiaties when everone else is bringing elites. I dont really know how to play them but seeing this gives me hope. That healing and dmg reduction is just..mad and op. Probably going to get nerfed in the data slate though.
I'm getting ready to build my Novitiates, debating with the Superior to go plasma pistol or relic bolt pistol. Anyone with experience with the new rules have any guidance for me? It was good to see them today and I'll definitely have to try that strat ploy combo.
I go with plasma every time. If you're hitting on 3's that means the superior has 5 health or more. Running the plasma hot means you fail on a 1 or a 2 so the maximum damage you can take is 4 so it wont kill you. I like it for the damage profile and the piercing. There's lots of operatives with 8 health so with 4 successes, 2 hits will kill most things because they can only block 2. And against elites, that extra damage could be the difference between dealing 3 3 5 5 vs 4 4 5 5.
Hey guys, I'm a little curious, why didn't the Accurate rule for the Eliminator come up more? Isn't he way above the other guys and therefore gets Accurate 2 :D?
Yes he should have used it for the Hyperfrag and Executioner profiles. He did take a lot of shots with the Mortis profile though and was probably trying to proc DEV Wounds that one has.
No. Actions cannot be repeated in the same turn unless something specifies that it can. In fact, the only one that can naturally do support twice is the kaskrin vox trooper, and it clearly states it can do the action twice in the ability as opposed to every other support ability
@@Red-jr4zp i'm assuming that the operative with the conceal order was charged and the enemy is doing a fight action. In which case, no, the concealed model does not switch to engage. In fact, you can even take the fight action while concealed.
As they said, it's mostly due to how good the eliminator is. He's basically a swiss army knife shooter, with DW (so high damage potential regardless of your saves, etc..), seek light (so you can't just "softkill" him by hiding), frag, etc... all from while having silent on all profiles (so you generally can't shoot him back). Whereas heavy intercessor is strong, but has less utility and is vulnerable to getting deleted by a big melta/plasma roll, basically.
Where in the current rules does it say one can use faith points modify dice rolls? I only see that you have three different acts of faith to spend them on.
9... that Superior took 9(!) shots from bolters (4 of which was from the Eliminator) before she was killed xD that's the tankiest mf I've ever seen... Brad, you better give her an official name and slap on an extra purity seal or banner or something as a commemoration haha
While I agree that the Blessed Rejuvenation + Defenders of the Faith ploy combo could be nerfed, it doesn't help that Vic rolled so badly here that I can't really blame it on the Novitiates strengths lol.
Novitiates can just spend a CP to screw over your tacop completely if you pick the Sniper as your champion against them. Champion is not a good tacop. It's okayish against elites not named Phobos but that's it.
@@pontiusporcius8430 Novitiates will very likely not die to a single shooting attack with Defenders and Blessed Rejuvination up, the best option for getting double kills is likely melee. Also a mine likely wouldn’t have protected his home objective, the condemnor could just walk around it.
This was annoying to watch, sending one guy at a time to stand in the open against half the other KT, it's like you wanted to lose, and the acts of faith sealed the deal
Yup, unfortunately they play pretty impatiently (sometimes both, sometimes just one of them) and the game devolves into a series of risky gambles that sometimes randomly pay off, sometimes they don't, and the game doesn't have much of a tactical vibe with smart moves that can be admired.
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The intro naration gets more insane in every video
I love how unhinged its becoming. 🤣
It's REALLY GOOD
I am pretty sure I heard that the Astertes were transported in time by smollsercers. Tiny sorcerers was my guess.
Sounds like someone’s voice broke during the intro.
What are you tryin' to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
No sister i'm trying to tell you that with faith... you won't have to.
If you want a justification for Heresy Era marines, just say their ship was stuck in the warp for a while, and 10 hours for them, turned out to be 10k years in material world
"Worshipping the Emperor as a god? Word Bearers!"
Is the Faith Point reserve 1000 points at the start of game?
Last I checked you start with 0, get 5 in the first strategic phase.. If the sisters leader kills a marine you get 2 more (or 1 vs a normal operative)
So you'd think the sisters run out quite quickly usually
Also they are talking about halving damage.. I dot. See it anywhere in the app what am I missing?
@@GundamReviver It was the Defenders of Faith Stratgem took me awhile to find it as well
@@danielburks2257 ah.. That sounds super niche though. They literally have to contest a mision/objective or it doesn't work. (not control or be I controlled range of, it specifically says contest)
@@GundamRevivercontest means being in control range
@ Not that niche especially when there's only 3 objectives in this edition of Kill Team. I would say 70-80% of the game is spend fighting for objectives. And a big weaknesses for squishy teams is models getting killed after touching a point.
For a model with 8 wounds it makes it so a 3/4 has to take 3 shots to kill it. Even a 4/5 plasma pistol isn't a 2 shot anymore. This is before we even account for cover saves, combined that with the healing strat and it's outright busted of a combo that should get nerfed
Love this Novitiates paint scheme, the update is awesome! The faces are a highlight, the eye black is just so cool
Totally - the faces look very metal
@@tremolo_painter They look like Noh masks, or those jester/comedy masks... gives them a creepy vibe. Looks cool. (the "We have Harlequins at home" lol)
That soothing music in the background of the roll was for Vic to not tilt.
The God Emperor himself personally showed up for this one just to ensure that Sister Superior stayed alive past like 10 shooting attacks
Ah man!! I’m hyped for this one! The discord notifications always bringing me the joy!
What I've learned from this video is that Novitiates don't take no sass from nobody and that a late-night filter-less Brad is a force to be reckoned with.
Love your guys simple yet effective paint schemes, to many get over complicated... Me!.. I always try and do 3 or 4 colors and end up with half my palette looking like some kinda "modern art." I enjoy the process, but sometimes simple looks best. Those are some hauted looking nuns, lol!
Hi guys! I love your battle reports! A quick tip with AoD, you usually want to play Indomitus Tp 2 and 3 and even 4 if you have enough CP. You had 4 CP left at the end, there was one or two rolls where it could have made a difference.
That intro was unhinged and I am here for it 😂
Great timing gents 🙏
Loved the new sisters painting scheme!
that was a brutal battlereport man .. the healing is op
Another day of waiting for them to release the sisters music seperately
Super minor thing but at 12:00 I don’t think you would’ve retained 2 crits, Severe only triggers if you don’t have any crits so using Faith Points to retain one of the dice as a crit would have turned off the crit from Severe
The Novitiates music is absolutely perfect! I'm sure the whole batrep is epic too but needed to say this before I forgot
Great battle report! Thank you!
Loved seeing the RG be on the table and in a game! Clearly need to get some black and white dice as a reset for the beaky boys, and next game we can expect to see the dice be favored by Corax c:>
I like how the Novitiates are like, 1 or 2 details off of being the Joker Sisters. I might use a similar scheme myself.
I played this exact matchup as AoD. Never have I felt so angry after a game as having so many occurrences of shooting them and then having them still be on full health.
Pretty sure your only chance to win is 6 assault intercessors.
I feel that not takin a doctrine in TP2 was a massive mistake. That no-reroll aura is only 3" and Balanced on melee and then (with captain) on that gunner could've resulted in both Purgatus and Leader dying.
All hail the KISS novitiates
GG guys. Superb as always
Great stuff again, fellas!!
Faith point shenanigans are triggering me 😂
yes it was nice to see the ravem guard models in action
lol i haven't even watched the video yet and this is probably a coincidence but I asked you to do a video with the Novitiates 2 weeks ago and you did... THANKS!!!
Been enjoying an AoD list of:
Cap+Sniper+AssaultGrenadier+Underbarrel+ a pair of Intercessors ( everybody has Stalkers. Duelist+Sharpshooter tactics )
Usually go all racial equipments, but sometimes swap Tilt Shields for Smokes
I'm not huge on the novitiate sculpts, but your paintjob is really awesome
I'm surprised Vic didn't use Severe from Sharpshooter Chapter Tactic much to get rid of the Superior faster. Maybe I'm missing something though, I'm new to KT.
Anyway, I love your channel, my favorite by far, love the vibes, love the chill approach to the game, love the complicity between you two guys!
Keep up the good work!
Good lord those Novitiates... I was going to make a joke about having "Harlequins at home" based on the face paint but god damn, these sisters did a fairly lore accurate impression of actual Harlequins... I love that paint job on sisters, makes them look really creepy. Overall an Interesting and brutal match, emphasis on brutal... that heal/damage redux combo has to be an oversight right? Seems way to powerful to have both together, but this is only one match maybe its different in others.
GG, sisters are wild
Vic, please write your faction rules on sticky tape and stick it to Brad’s forehead. The number of times Severe would have made a difference was mind boggling. You took the chapter tactic for that reason and then seemed to forget it.
I really wish there were a skirmish game for Horus Heresy. There are so many accessories available to really customize individual models. One box of 20 dudes would be enough for 2 players! A man can dream, a man can dream!
Have you tried the Zone Mortalis rules? I think those are workable for small games.
@Weed_Ghost it's good, but it's just for small games of 30k, not close enough to skirmish level.
Loving the goth sisters 🖤
That intro though.. anyways.. yey new Mountainside tabletop batrep.
Edit: I was on my morning walk when i was thinking i wish someone put up an AoD vs Novitiates batrep.
man i love that Ghost look. (going to borrow it)
What is you favorite terrain and board set?
Board set as in: gallowdark, open etc.
Watching this game confirms that I'll just scoop against Novitiates and keep my sanity until they get nerfed a bit lol
Ouch, that's the first battle report you've done that wasn't fun. Not your fault! But the Novitiates just felt so overpowered that Vic had no chance. Painful. I hope GW balances them soon.
@@eric_intotheunknown the thing about the team is they can feel overpowered when things like this video happen but one or two dice go the other way and the team can feel super weak.
they have to survive the sequence to heal and I have definitely played some games where I've said multiple times I'm not going to spend any faint points because it doesn't matter this unit is dead and just got ran through.
@juicilicious i feel like you can say the same about the other way with angels of death. What is supposed to be one of the strongest ended up doing very little here.
Angels of death have to confirm kills or their activations are essentially a waste. if they dont get kills then the enemy will just swarm the field. With a 3+, this should sound doable, but As we saw, it kinda got ran navigates some bad rolls and actually ended up healing the noviates.
You weren't joking when you said the new battle report was dropping soon!
what's that purple primary paint called on the sisters its super cool!!!
Absolutely brutal !
The sleepy-sillies are super adorns.
While I doubt it would have changed the results, do we know if there is a reason Vic never took the free success from accurate when shooting from an elevated position? Do the Sisters prevent that? I know when I'm rolling so poorly, I love free successes.
I should have explained this! Since I was already going to hit on 2's - I decided to take my chances and try to roll some crits...
@@MountainsideTabletop Normally that's a valid strategy.
HOWEVER, without balanced it's risky.
And with those dice - brother O.o
Great game guys thank you
Man, those black tears on the Novitiates are so good.
Love the makeup on the noviates definitely gonna copy
Clearly Vic spoke of the "Purple Monkey Dishwasher" 😏
I like this video as it is proof that elites can be beaten. So may of my friends refuse to play agains my nemesis claw...
From Black Metal to Purple Metal 😯
omg ferris Dueler
So I've registered for my first ever tournament and I was planning on bringing Novitiaties when everone else is bringing elites. I dont really know how to play them but seeing this gives me hope. That healing and dmg reduction is just..mad and op. Probably going to get nerfed in the data slate though.
I'm getting ready to build my Novitiates, debating with the Superior to go plasma pistol or relic bolt pistol. Anyone with experience with the new rules have any guidance for me?
It was good to see them today and I'll definitely have to try that strat ploy combo.
I go with plasma every time. If you're hitting on 3's that means the superior has 5 health or more. Running the plasma hot means you fail on a 1 or a 2 so the maximum damage you can take is 4 so it wont kill you.
I like it for the damage profile and the piercing. There's lots of operatives with 8 health so with 4 successes, 2 hits will kill most things because they can only block 2.
And against elites, that extra damage could be the difference between dealing 3 3 5 5 vs 4 4 5 5.
I like purple too... red and purple novitiates plus orange and purple Votann
Hey guys, I'm a little curious, why didn't the Accurate rule for the Eliminator come up more? Isn't he way above the other guys and therefore gets Accurate 2 :D?
Yes he should have used it for the Hyperfrag and Executioner profiles. He did take a lot of shots with the Mortis profile though and was probably trying to proc DEV Wounds that one has.
thanks !
I give this video 5 BOOMS!
Hey guys I have a question can support abilities that cost 1 AP be used more than once per activation?
No. Actions cannot be repeated in the same turn unless something specifies that it can.
In fact, the only one that can naturally do support twice is the kaskrin vox trooper, and it clearly states it can do the action twice in the ability as opposed to every other support ability
Thanks @@MrTetrisz also if you fight a concealed unit does it change its order to engage when it retaliates?
@@Red-jr4zp i'm assuming that the operative with the conceal order was charged and the enemy is doing a fight action.
In which case, no, the concealed model does not switch to engage. In fact, you can even take the fight action while concealed.
WHAT DID HE SAYYYYYY😂
Great to see jesse pinkman in this episode
Gonna have to upgrade Novitiate’s to S tier. 😮
Do you think he'll learn his lesson and start retaining auto dice instead of fishing for crits? Does he forget that dice hate him?
Suspect heresy spiderman meme once again 😂 After that marines vs guard game from last edition
Why is the heavy gunner trash? Legit question
That's hyperbole, but it's hard to imagine ever choosing the HG over the Sniper for me!
As they said, it's mostly due to how good the eliminator is. He's basically a swiss army knife shooter, with DW (so high damage potential regardless of your saves, etc..), seek light (so you can't just "softkill" him by hiding), frag, etc... all from while having silent on all profiles (so you generally can't shoot him back). Whereas heavy intercessor is strong, but has less utility and is vulnerable to getting deleted by a big melta/plasma roll, basically.
Dont forget to take accuracy auto retain if you are more than 2" above your target.
Where in the current rules does it say one can use faith points modify dice rolls? I only see that you have three different acts of faith to spend them on.
No more combat patrols?
Is the eliminator able to Counter act while in Conceal?
The astartes rule lets you counteract on conceal yes. So legionary and Night Lords get to do it too for example.
My money is on "ninja purples"
9... that Superior took 9(!) shots from bolters (4 of which was from the Eliminator) before she was killed xD that's the tankiest mf I've ever seen... Brad, you better give her an official name and slap on an extra purity seal or banner or something as a commemoration haha
As a patreon member can I please be clued up on what Vic said in the intro 👀🙏🏻
Can you imagine what heresy marines would think of 40k Battle sisters? The battle would probably go like this
And also poor Ravens… RIP
“Spice Marines”…? I swear I heard Spice Marines. 😂
So nice to see a game not on Vulkas.
Ferrus Dueler makes no sense.
Ferrus was notably one of the worst Duellers of the Primarchs.
mountain Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide! yusss
Not to be that guy but I think Whip into frenzy allows you to fight twice, one for free. Not just fight for free
While I agree that the Blessed Rejuvenation + Defenders of the Faith ploy combo could be nerfed, it doesn't help that Vic rolled so badly here that I can't really blame it on the Novitiates strengths lol.
Purple is best. I am currently plotting doing some pink/purple Corsair Voidscarred, because clearly I don't have enough kill teams 🤔
I always thought that the Novitiates looked good, but not THAT good
Prefacing that I Love this content and this channel...that was the worst match to watch.
Victor needs new dice
The N in condemner is silent.
Goats
Also, I think you forgot the Hot roll for Novitiate leader in TP3.
LETS GO PRE-HERESY HERESY IN THE 41st‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Sister Superior Jean Simmons. She was made for loving you baby
"I like women personalities"
Vic was agonising to watch, why would you not put the champion on the sniper?
Novitiates can just spend a CP to screw over your tacop completely if you pick the Sniper as your champion against them. Champion is not a good tacop. It's okayish against elites not named Phobos but that's it.
@@ProffesorHeadgear the thing that baffled me was the choice of melee units over double shooters, as well as not picking mines for the home objective.
@@pontiusporcius8430 Novitiates will very likely not die to a single shooting attack with Defenders and Blessed Rejuvination up, the best option for getting double kills is likely melee. Also a mine likely wouldn’t have protected his home objective, the condemnor could just walk around it.
Data slate incoming (please)
See, firstborn marines are just weaker :p also I sincerely hope I will never play against Novitiates
the intro to every video has and always will be cringe but god damn is the kill team footage good
You cannot use more than one ACT OF FAITH per sequence (sequence being one shoot/fight action)
I used my equipment!
@MountainsideTabletop missed that point, thank you! 🙏
Novitiates is possibly the most toxic team in KT right now.
Relax man just say "mountainside tabletop" just like that, okay? You good? You need a lozenge?
This was annoying to watch, sending one guy at a time to stand in the open against half the other KT, it's like you wanted to lose, and the acts of faith sealed the deal
Yup, unfortunately they play pretty impatiently (sometimes both, sometimes just one of them) and the game devolves into a series of risky gambles that sometimes randomly pay off, sometimes they don't, and the game doesn't have much of a tactical vibe with smart moves that can be admired.
I don't know how he did it. If I was playing into that goofy combo and rolled that badly I would honestly have just forfeited