Great tips Craig! Obviously it's hard to recreate a actual situation in someone's home. But for everyone saying about not having insulation & blah blah, it's the fishing tips & concept that he's trying to teach. 👍
I 'stumbled' across this video while looking for info on using a wallwart to power a smart thermostat. I've been in the home improvement industry for 25 years. This video has the BEST tips and tricks for fishing wires through a wall with minimal damage. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experince.
Always invoice and collect when finished with your service call. Otherwise, once they are nice and comfy, you are no longer a “priority bill”. Then you’ll have a stack of unpaid invoices on your desk, distributors wanting to be paid, taxes to be paid, spend 3+ hours per week chasing your money down at their workplace or home, calling to leave messages (because they won’t answer) and waiting on the mail.
After showing one of my clients your channel I never got a call back from him again lol. Point is, your work is very well taught😃😁. Even i learn new things.
I had a while that I do not see the your videos, but I came back to see your valuable videos, as always you coming with good ideas in how to teach. Excelente thanks teacher.
When we do our rough in, I typically set my own blocking for the thermostat so I have backing when it’s time for trim. The carpenter is always say they’re gonna do stuff, but little things like that get missed, so I just do it myself. Thanks for the video.!
Great tips, I use the chain and pull through with a small stick magnet same in the floor. Pilot bit through the carpet is all fun and games until it starts to pull.
I saw one, that had a super magnet, that has you drag the magnet down the wall pulling a plumbob like steel weight. It looks great, and eliminates the problem of negotiating wall insulation. The thing I always fear is accidentally hitting a water pipe or power line. I had this happen to me once in Alaska while in an apartment nailing in quarter-round in the ceiling, the customer was absent. Then it became ,”wheres the water supply cut off”? Talk about jumping t(rough your butt.... My lesson learned is always know where the water supply cut off is, and service disconnect “BEFORE “ you start work and the location of the nearest fire extinguishers are....just in case. When fishing wires are a problem, remember, this is 2022. Wires are quickly becoming obsolete. I hung a Red-link thermostat and receiver, in an all concrete and steel building up four floors, and the customer insisted I install the steel thermostat lock boxes to boot. I was shocked.... these things worked great. This was about 5 years ago. Its cost less than a decent programmable would. I just wired the receiver in the cellar... this is an option in case your on a second floor and need to reach the basement, so you don’t have to fish wires through two floors, patching...
@@robertcherry4971 That was the statement that made me raise my eyebrow too.. Mainly "wires" and "obsolete". Made me curious about the replacement technology that is going to run electricity through to my house, street, town ,city , Country... 🤔 The new tech will put a world wide end to copper cable theft 😁
Thanks Craig. All those unanswered questions we had in HVAC school, or on the job laid out for us, thanks again. I've used a chunk of fiberglass insulation a few times to stop the "backdraft" behind the Tstats.
When I drill down a wall cavity blind with a long drill bit, I put a tennis ball on the drill shaft to keep the bit away from the front and back of the cavity.
Hope I can make this work for running the wire to down with ease. HVAC guy moved my thermostat and yanked the old wires out. Now have to move thermostat back to where it was.
I think you mean fire blocks in interior walls. I believe perlings are connected to rafters. But too your question, I just cut a square above the 2x4/fire block and use an angle bit with a paddle bit. A flex auger bit, or a long flex bit works going up from a basement, but good luck try'in to go down an attic if there's no room.
Great tips 👍 Sometimes the only choice you have in finished spaces is to run the wiring in a return duct using plenum rated cabling. If run in a supply duct it must be rated at 105*c minimum.
I use to fish the wire up to down with a treat and the end I put a socket I put it in the hole them say I slow down the socket about 2 o 3 feets down then I catch the socket with the strong magnet bring it to the hole
quick tip ppl. carry a magnet in your pocket it will find you a scree in the stuff super fast and its a cheaper method then them other electronic devices and takes up less space
I'm pretty good at drywall work so I generally just cut the drywall when I have a questionable spot. Takes longer by after drilling through a drain line well just say lesson learned.
I’ve found the easiest way to route the thermostat wire is to slide out the wall mounted oven and run the wire behind that, then slide the oven back in. Then, you can check and set temperature when you are in the kitchen, where people spend most of their time anyway. By the way- are you going to do a video any time soon on the subject of why a boiler seldom runs?? Thanks for the great info
I noticed you using a coat hanger to fish your wire , is there an actual tool that you can use for fishing wire? or did you just give me a great idea for a brand new invention LOL
Any tips on how to prevent the wire from falling back into the wall after its fished. In the video you do all the wiring with it as a curly cue at the top, but that seems risky and I really dont want to have to fish it again.
One crucial piece of information, on average each fish that is done will require on average 5 to 6 cuss words, increasing in magnitude, until the job is complete
On the one for the basement or crawlspace why didnt you use a chain and drop it down from the hole You did it from the attic you do it the same way just trying to find the chain up thru the floor
Remember, if you are working in an occupied home, especially with children, warn the adults of the insulation supports and always bend them over so they won’t penetrate a shoe and/or foot. Also, you can use the chain to drop down the painted interior wall to “plumb” for alignment. Drill your insulation support down to locate in crawl space. Drill hole up through bottom plate. Drop chain down from above and tape wire on and pull back up. Also, when drilling insulation supports through carpet, go slow at first, just in case it grabs a thread. Some types of carpet are worse than others. 😊
so i have existing. had new furnace installed and they f**** the wiring. Is it possible to fish a new wire? It is a ranch style. thermostat is in the hall , so it has to go up, over the hall way bath then down to the furnace closet.
Because as Craig stated you don’t know what is inside the wall, could be wires or piping and using a drill you cannot feel what it is drilling into till it’s too late.
My brother is a plumber and is always busy because someone cut or put a nail in a pipe doing trim, new cabinets, new floors and some of them don’t start leaking till years later
Little advice, stay away from NEST thermostats, nothing but problems. Not going to argue with anyone here about this, just a personal opinion after fixing many many issues with these . In about all the cases ended up replacing the thermostat with a regular programmable thermostat or a plain Jane thermostat. I have yet to meet a customer that was happy wasting their money on these Nest thermostats, usually they pretty pissed because they wasted allot of money on these pieces of junk.
Most of the time its lack of a common wire. There are C-wire adapters yet running a proper thermostat wire usually not an issue. Have installed over 25+ no issues.
My NEST works by disabling autoschedule and manually setting home/away. Set up B/O wire in the menu otherwise may not energize reversing valve. Also use unused blue/brown/black wire coming from thermostat for common to handler if don't power on. No need to run another wire unless its 22+ gauge or too few connectors.
@@dwj7386 Rheem & Ruud energize the reversing valve on a heat pump in heat mode * against the industry standard of cool mode. Sounds like you had the orientation of the "O" and "B" low voltage conductors reversed and or the heat cycle test through NEST incorrect settings. Common correction we see in the field.
I've never gone to a house that is being this simple to run a new wire it's always old house with all kinds of debris behind the Walls multiple joists not where they should be
I hate that you guys show so many tricks of the trade just to show off a skill you have. You guys are gonna put us outta business if you keep showing so many methods of performing trade tasks. No nailer at the top plate? Hmmm, weird 🤔
Yes and no , many people can search up and research on certain things for "diy" Its always the tools that they dont have they don't feel comfortable doing it themselves and its always risky doing it yourself
@@samhazard9576 just a FYI, commercial interior walls are usually insulated for sound purposes. And some residential interior walls are also for same purpose. at least around here they are
Do thermostat wires reach the control board up to the attic? Can you show me how thermostat wires connect to control boards from one drywall to the other?
Great tips Craig! Obviously it's hard to recreate a actual situation in someone's home. But for everyone saying about not having insulation & blah blah, it's the fishing tips & concept that he's trying to teach. 👍
You're a damn good tech yourself, I've learned quite a bit from your channel.
@@dexenationgracey1979 Appreciate that Dexenation Gracey. 🛠️👍
I 'stumbled' across this video while looking for info on using a wallwart to power a smart thermostat. I've been in the home improvement industry for 25 years. This video has the BEST tips and tricks for fishing wires through a wall with minimal damage. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experince.
Thank you for sharing your story!
Greg, you need to do a video on how to collect your money on a service call...
Always invoice and collect when finished with your service call. Otherwise, once they are nice and comfy, you are no longer a “priority bill”. Then you’ll have a stack of unpaid invoices on your desk, distributors wanting to be paid, taxes to be paid, spend 3+ hours per week chasing your money down at their workplace or home, calling to leave messages (because they won’t answer) and waiting on the mail.
As someone else said, have a credit card machine inform the customer of your terms and collect when the jobs are finished.
Love your channel brother. If you worked from Houston, I would work for you for free just to learn from someone with your skill set.
He’s from Jersey
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After showing one of my clients your channel I never got a call back from him again lol. Point is, your work is very well taught😃😁. Even i learn new things.
Thank you, each step you take is really done in a professional manner.
Very clear and informative. Great idea using the clear backing on your "Wall"!
Never does it ever works out that easy in real life
I had a while that I do not see the your videos, but I came back to see your valuable videos, as always you coming with good ideas in how to teach.
Excelente thanks teacher.
When we do our rough in, I typically set my own blocking for the thermostat so I have backing when it’s time for trim.
The carpenter is always say they’re gonna do stuff, but little things like that get missed, so I just do it myself.
Thanks for the video.!
Thanks for all the videos that you do I've been learning alot with your videos God Bless you
I really like your videos it’s helping a lot.
awesome Craig!!!! you're the best man!!!!! hands down.
Thanks man, I needed this video...
Great tips, I use the chain and pull through with a small stick magnet same in the floor. Pilot bit through the carpet is all fun and games until it starts to pull.
this guy is fantastic. right on
Jeez. This was such an excellent video. Very straight forward and well explained!
Bonus points for insulation and metal studs 👍🏻
I had to do one today. It was easy. I drilled a half inch hole on the wall and half inch hole on the wall header.
Wow You Are A Terrific Educator Thank You !
I saw one, that had a super magnet, that has you drag the magnet down the wall pulling a plumbob like steel weight. It looks great, and eliminates the problem of negotiating wall insulation. The thing I always fear is accidentally hitting a water pipe or power line. I had this happen to me once in Alaska while in an apartment nailing in quarter-round in the ceiling, the customer was absent. Then it became ,”wheres the water supply cut off”? Talk about jumping t(rough your butt.... My lesson learned is always know where the water supply cut off is, and service disconnect “BEFORE “ you start work and the location of the nearest fire extinguishers are....just in case. When fishing wires are a problem, remember, this is 2022. Wires are quickly becoming obsolete. I hung a Red-link thermostat and receiver, in an all concrete and steel building up four floors, and the customer insisted I install the steel thermostat lock boxes to boot. I was shocked.... these things worked great. This was about 5 years ago. Its cost less than a decent programmable would. I just wired the receiver in the cellar... this is an option in case your on a second floor and need to reach the basement, so you don’t have to fish wires through two floors, patching...
Wires are becoming obsolete? LOL 👌
@@robertcherry4971 That was the statement that made me raise my eyebrow too.. Mainly "wires" and "obsolete".
Made me curious about the replacement technology that is going to run electricity through to my house, street, town ,city , Country... 🤔
The new tech will put a world wide end to copper cable theft 😁
That is a Klein Tools Magnetic Wire Puller model 50611. It works very well.
Thanks Craig. All those unanswered questions we had in HVAC school, or on the job laid out for us, thanks again. I've used a chunk of fiberglass insulation a few times to stop the "backdraft" behind the Tstats.
Oh yea. Fishing a wire. Good times for sure. Good video.
This was such an excellent video.
When I drill down a wall cavity blind with a long drill bit, I put a tennis ball on the drill shaft to keep the bit away from the front and back of the cavity.
10:57 for a second I thought you had a crossbow and was expecting things to get a little bad ass
Thank you!!
exelent video good information
Great tips, well done video, please keep them coming
Now this is some useful content
A real pro makes it look that easy!
Excellent!!!
Hope I can make this work for running the wire to down with ease. HVAC guy moved my thermostat and yanked the old wires out. Now have to move thermostat back to where it was.
How do you handle walls with perlings? Those are normal around here.
I think you mean fire blocks in interior walls. I believe perlings are connected to rafters. But too your question, I just cut a square above the 2x4/fire block and use an angle bit with a paddle bit. A flex auger bit, or a long flex bit works going up from a basement, but good luck try'in to go down an attic if there's no room.
Great tips. Are there methods to replacing the wire if the current one doesn't have enough conductors?
sometimes I use a vacuum and a string to get thru the chase, thanks
Nice work
Using a chain is good but a string with a small nut works well also
Great tips 👍
Sometimes the only choice you have in finished spaces is to run the wiring in a return duct using plenum rated cabling. If run in a supply duct it must be rated at 105*c minimum.
Its not the only choice just the lazy one.
@@zoso1123 that or tear holes in ceilings and walls
I agree but sometimes there is not a better practical solution
I use to fish the wire up to down with a treat and the end I put a socket I put it in the hole them say I slow down the socket about 2 o 3 feets down then I catch the socket with the strong magnet bring it to the hole
Good job thanks
quick tip ppl. carry a magnet in your pocket it will find you a scree in the stuff super fast and its a cheaper method then them other electronic devices and takes up less space
You made that look easy. Thanks for sharing.
I'm pretty good at drywall work so I generally just cut the drywall when I have a questionable spot. Takes longer by after drilling through a drain line well just say lesson learned.
I’ve found the easiest way to route the thermostat wire is to slide out the wall mounted oven and run the wire behind that, then slide the oven back in. Then, you can check and set temperature when you are in the kitchen, where people spend most of their time anyway.
By the way- are you going to do a video any time soon on the subject of why a boiler seldom runs??
Thanks for the great info
Why a boiler seldom runs?? Check the thermostat is not near the oven or in a hot kitchen.
@@larkhill2119 my post was a joke. I know he doesn't respond but makes Great vids. Sorry
@@Samlol23_drrich LoL, Sorry I just lack faith in humanity
I noticed you using a coat hanger to fish your wire , is there an actual tool that you can use for fishing wire? or did you just give me a great idea for a brand new invention LOL
Any tips on how to prevent the wire from falling back into the wall after its fished. In the video you do all the wiring with it as a curly cue at the top, but that seems risky and I really dont want to have to fish it again.
Thought black wire is common and the blue is for reversing valve?
What did you use for the probe?
13:08 Seems like a magnet sticking up from the hole would be helpful to guide the fishing wire to the hole.
Hi Sir how are you please second part connection LG unit outdoor and indoor please make one video for connection Google net thermostate
One crucial piece of information, on average each fish that is done will require on average 5 to 6 cuss words, increasing in magnitude, until the job is complete
It’s sees like I always have insulation to deal with…do have any tricks for that
First and only question is, where is your electrical license?
On the one for the basement or crawlspace why didnt you use a chain and drop it down from the hole
You did it from the attic you do it the same way just trying to find the chain up thru the floor
What kind of wall anchors are those? @ 13:28
Auger anchors that come in the white plastic and aluminum - the aluminum are rated to hold heavier weight
The honeywell thermostat comes with yellow anchors is the one i use
So easy on an unfinished wall
There's usually insulation in the wall
Why the attic?? Whose has their furnace in their attic?
Remember, if you are working in an occupied home, especially with children, warn the adults of the insulation supports and always bend them over so they won’t penetrate a shoe and/or foot.
Also, you can use the chain to drop down the painted interior wall to “plumb” for alignment. Drill your insulation support down to locate in crawl space. Drill hole up through bottom plate. Drop chain down from above and tape wire on and pull back up.
Also, when drilling insulation supports through carpet, go slow at first, just in case it grabs a thread. Some types of carpet are worse than others. 😊
so i have existing. had new furnace installed and they f**** the wiring. Is it possible to fish a new wire? It is a ranch style. thermostat is in the hall , so it has to go up, over the hall way bath then down to the furnace closet.
look up "acservicetech fishing thermostat wire" on youtube thanks
How much is this gonna cost?
Why you not use holsaw cutter for make hole
Because as Craig stated you don’t know what is inside the wall, could be wires or piping and using a drill you cannot feel what it is drilling into till it’s too late.
My brother is a plumber and is always busy because someone cut or put a nail in a pipe doing trim, new cabinets, new floors and some of them don’t start leaking till years later
Little advice, stay away from NEST thermostats, nothing but problems. Not going to argue with anyone here about this, just a personal opinion after fixing many many issues with these . In about all the cases ended up replacing the thermostat with a regular programmable thermostat or a plain Jane thermostat. I have yet to meet a customer that was happy wasting their money on these Nest thermostats, usually they pretty pissed because they wasted allot of money on these pieces of junk.
Most of the time its lack of a common wire. There are C-wire adapters yet running a proper thermostat wire usually not an issue. Have installed over 25+ no issues.
My NEST works by disabling autoschedule and manually setting home/away. Set up B/O wire in the menu otherwise may not energize reversing valve. Also use unused blue/brown/black wire coming from thermostat for common to handler if don't power on. No need to run another wire unless its 22+ gauge or too few connectors.
@@dwj7386 what heat pump manufacture?
@@proanswers I believe Rheem, Rudd, Oxbox.
@@dwj7386 Rheem & Ruud energize the reversing valve on a heat pump in heat mode * against the industry standard of cool mode. Sounds like you had the orientation of the "O" and "B" low voltage conductors reversed and or the heat cycle test through NEST incorrect settings. Common correction we see in the field.
I've never gone to a house that is being this simple to run a new wire it's always old house with all kinds of debris behind the Walls multiple joists not where they should be
Good vid. But its hardly that easy when the wall is full of rockwool insulation batts 🤭
Go Cobra Kai
👏🏾👍🏾
What a weird commercial. Three mechanics walking along like,” Reservoir Dogs”....it’s rather goofy. Blueon Commercial.
But you still didn't show how to hook the wiring to the heater? are you kidding me
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Who the hell uses a holesaw, I use a paddle bit and watch the damn thing get peeled layer by layer.
Lol in the real world that do not work! You need better training.
I hate that you guys show so many tricks of the trade just to show off a skill you have. You guys are gonna put us outta business if you keep showing so many methods of performing trade tasks.
No nailer at the top plate? Hmmm, weird 🤔
Yes and no , many people can search up and research on certain things for "diy" Its always the tools that they dont have they don't feel comfortable doing it themselves and its always risky doing it yourself
Total bull. What about all the insulation. Looks real easy not using a actual setting.
True certainly much easier without all the insulation
Interior wall probably won't have insulation---and you shouldnt install a tstat on an exterior wall...
@@samhazard9576 just a FYI, commercial interior walls are usually insulated for sound purposes. And some residential interior walls are also for same purpose. at least around here they are
Wow, this is an example...
Do thermostat wires reach the control board up to the attic? Can you show me how thermostat wires connect to control boards from one drywall to the other?