@@Delta_Player_0ne most monsters that aren't dreemurs don't know what humans look like, and for all 7 kids to fall in less than a decade is almost impossible
...None of this works. -In this timeline, Asgore has no reason to declare war unless humans attack first. He declared war specifically because Asriel was murdered by humans, so here once Asriel(and Chara) return to break the barrier, the situation would be explained to Asgore and he has no reason to declare war out of anger. If anything, he'd be livid with Asriel and Chara for risking causing a war, and keep the fact that the barrier has been broken hidden from the people to give humans some time to forget about the village whose entire population suddenly got decimated and reduce the odds of a war. -There's also no evidence to support Chara wanting to destroy all of humanity. Yes, they're misanthropic, but misanthropes typically aren't omnicidal. They only ever show actual killing intent towards another human once the body they were sharing with Asriel was attacked, and there's no evidence they would have gone beyond killing their attackers to protect Asriel. They DEFINITELY would not have continued attacking humans if monsters started sacrificing themselves en masse to protect them, *especially their own parents.* Even ignoring every other problem here, Chara would have stopped the moment Asgore dies. It was guilt at almost killing him with buttercups that motivated their particularly painful method of suicide, why would they keep attacking? Why would they deliberately attack Toriel knowing she'll do the exact same thing Asgore and countless other monsters did? This "theory"(Although it's hardly deserving of the term given how much it deviates from canon) misrepresents Chara's character at a fundamental level, removing all the nuance in favour of "misanthropes want to kill all humans, and are incapable of caring about anyone or anything, right?" -Frisk... wouldn't have even been born at this time, let alone old enough to be able to travel on their own. They are implied to be about preteen age at the time of Undertale's main story, which is set at least a hundred years after the death of Asriel and Chara(which we know to be the case because Undyne and Papyrus were born in the 90s of some century, but were not alive when Asriel and Chara were, having never met a human in person, with Undyne having only seen them in anime and Papyrus not even knowing what they look like.) -Undyne has the same issue, for the same reasons. She wasn't even born at the time, let alone in a position to be fighting directly alongside the royal family. -Do I even need to say it for Sans? He's older than Papyrus, but there's no realistic way he's, like, 90 years older. He also wouldn't be able to "put up a good fight" against such a being, for the exact same reason that Asriel and Chara had the power to destroy an entire village of humans despite humans being inherently stronger than monsters. -Frisk literally can't have control of the timeline. Aside from the fact that Chara almost definitely had the power to SAVE when they were alive, but never actually needed or discovered it while alive(there's even a fair bit of evidence to suggest that Frisk is able to use Chara's own, formerly unused save file due to being connected with them.), we consistently see that when Flowey/Asriel gets his hands on multiple human souls, Frisk loses control of the timeline to him due to Flowey's determination combined with the souls. -Sans doesn't remember resets. That's, like, fanon vs canon 101.
In the post pacifist dialogue asriel says "I don't regret resisting Chara because if we killed those humans we would have had to go to war with humanity". Asgore wouldn't have started the war obviously, but once humans realize that there's a super powerful monster with a human souls, the war would happen again, since their fear of monsters absorbing humans is what caused the first war to happen. The monsters would have had to defend themselves and Chara wouldn't have hesitated to wipe them out imo. Monsters have been more kind to them than any human and they would think it's right for humans to die after all the suffering they brought on monsters for millenia. That's why I suspect they came up with the plan to begin with. They probably idolized monsters for their kindness and were enraged that the humanity they hated was the one living free on the surface.
@@godoatthegoat2884 Hence why I specify that humans would have to be the ones to start the war. Asgore would take every precaution he could, likely including not disclosing how exactly they escaped and keeping Asriel out of the public eye, on top of the more impulsive measures I've already proposed. But the video explictly describes the monsters as the aggressors, which is way out of character for everyone involved. Chara, again, is not omnicidal. Killing in self-defense, or more relevantly to them(since their sense of self-preservation ain't great due to a variety of mental health issues), in defense of people they care about is one thing(especially given that many of the people in Chara's village may have been directly involved in Chara's reasons for hating humanity), but wiping out an entire race in cold blood is another thing entirely. And in this hypothetical, nobody would want to actually wipe out all of humanity, just defend themselves against the hostile ones. Asgore isn't angry. Asriel is Asriel. Toriel, who Chara clearly looks up to to the point of mimicking her style of speech, is present and we know how she feels about this. Chara isn't omnicidal and is more than capable of being reasoned with by their family even if they were pissed enough to consider trying. Chara came up with their plan due to their mental health issues and how Asgore put them on a pedestal with the clear expectation that they would eventually be the angel in the prophecy(the "future of humans and monsters"). They had likely contemplated committing suicide so that monsters could use their SOUL to free themselves previously, but Asriel kept their suicidal tendencies in check for awhile, contributing to Asriel's own mental health struggles. Their mental health issues only got to the point where they actually went through with it when the guilt they experienced over Asgore's near-death was thrown in. Yeah, Chara definitely idolized monsters. Even just in game, they will flat-out white knight for monsters as they attack Frisk, including those openly trying to kill them, like Undyne(who they seem to admire given how they describe her as heroic in all routes.). They're a monster apologist.
Heres how I think it would go down. Assuming chara and asriel did declare war on humanity, toriel and asgore would likely leave. i doubt chara+asriel would care too much. They would take a lot of monsters with them and set up the underground as a safe haven, basically turning the regular underground into the ruins area of undertale, and frisk would kinda speedrun through there. Toriel asgore and the rest of the monsters might have the power to stop asriel from realising frisk has fallen. I think there'd be a front line in the war, remember humans are still strong and a child was able to at least fight a 7 souled god for a bit. Humans would have some pretty powerful weapons without magic, and we're kinda in an inbetween state at this point. Humans can still likely use magic and have some tech, and this type of war could cause a revolution in both. So we'd have asriel as the final boss, with chara and a ton of other human souls. we'd also obviously not go with toriel somehow holding asriel off, obviously impossible. Undyne would likely become the head of the royal guard, though without asgore and gerson's training she'd likely not be as skilled, instead relying on the power from the human souls to fight with. Idk what else would happen these are just some ideas, but it would be a much bigger area than regular undertale.
8:48 Dark Chara: “I am invincible. I am the angel of death! Move, or I will eliminate you as well.” Sans: “See, I’d be intimidated, but guess what? Karmic Retribution is fueled by the targets XP, and you have a _lot_ of it. You may be able to take it, but you’re still in for a *very* bad time kid.”
That is not true chara is the first human who fell into the underground and was abandoned by asriel's family chara and asriel best friends but chara what's to destroy humanity
So chara gave asriel their soul so chara and asriel will go to the surface chara tale asriel to kill all humans but asriel refuse chara possessed frisk and try to kill Monsters in underground
I don't think asgore and toriel would want to continue the war - maybe they'd both end up in the ruins? Frisk wouldn't be around at the time period I mean the humans barrier can be penetrated by one human soul, but i can see the argument being made that a smaller one could be more powerful - but thousands of souls? I doubt frisk and toriel would be enough to take on all the monsters with souls in them - specially undyne, considering she doesn't even spare Toriel holding off asriel and chara seems unrealistic asgore instantly turns to dust but its just enough to save frisk? Chara aint gonna just keep blasting while monsters jump in the way with just enough. Sans puts up a good fight against chara? wtf Asriel would obviously be in control, course they'd both have enough, or if not them, any one of the monsters who absorbed souls None of this works. There are some good ideas, but it really doesn't make sense overall
There’s actually a fan comic of this.. it’s called Caretaker of the Ruins AU Chara realized that Asriel wouldn’t kill the humans so they revoked their plan and decided to stay in the Ruins to kill every human that fell down to use their SOULs and their own to break the barrier.
There are only two things I think are kind of wrong with this (Sorry for two comments) Sans knows about resets but not about the things that happened before the resets And Toriel having healing magic isn't canon I'm pretty sure Other than that, it's a pretty cool story 10/10
For your first point, Sans has more deja vu after the reset than actually knowing what will happen. I just said that he knows about it so it would flow better. For your second point Toriel heals Frisk a few times in the game. Most notably once you reach her house with 19 or less hp
i wonder honestly: what if alphys never moved the determination injected flower to asgores garden (asriel still dies, and also id imagine that alphys would still try to revive asriel..) edit: i just realised itd be a intresting au if like..it was you (frisk) trying to stop the war going on at the surface with toriel its like a underfell but not in the underground and its a different scenario
That's an interesting idea. If Alphys never returns the flower that became Flowey, then he wakes up and first meets not his literal dad, but instead Alphys, a total stranger. Could definitely be a solid AU, although odds are it would be pretty similar to canon except for Flowey's genocide monologue about his backstory and possibly him having learned to manipulate Alphys in the way he manipulates Papyrus, since Flowey would still reset many times.
@@Missingno_Miner fallback is the au where monsters after reachin the surface the humans don't accept them and start attacking them. Frisk is the protector and the one trying to stop the war but dies in the process and is a ghost who protects the remaining monsters from humans
A more realistic scenario (I think), inspired by Missingno Miner's comment: - When Asriel was attacked, Chara tried to use their full power to kill their attackers. - Asriel doesn't resist. (This is where the timeline diverges from canon, of course.) - About 50 humans are dead, and the rest flee the village in fear. - Asriel only takes 6 SOULs, in accordance with the plan. - Asriel returns to the Underground with Chara's body and breaks the barrier. - Asgore, noticing what happened, was surprised, and asks Asriel what he did. - Asriel tells his father what he did: he placed Chara's body on golden flowers, humans attacked him, he retaliated with force, and used their SOULs to break the barrier. He doesn't tell him that the plan was to collect 6 SOULs all along. - Asgore understands, but gets worried about the humans attacking back. - Toriel, hearing the commotion, comes along and gets angry at Asriel for attacking the humans right away and not reasoning with them first. - Asgore says that it's too late now and that they should think about what to do next. - They reach an agreement that they would wait several years before announcing the news to the public and in the meantime secretly prepare the infrastructure and administrative stuff of moving all the monsters to the surface. There are 3 scenarios of how it would play out from here: 1. The humans declare war by attacking the Underground preemptively. 2. The humans don't attack at first, but when the monsters come out, they attack. 3. The humans accept the monsters on the surface, whether through their own goodwill, by negotiation with the monsters, or because the monsters (particularly Asriel-with-7-human-SOULs) threatens them with war if they don't.
A possible timeline of the Monster Independence War, if the first or second scenario happen. (This is only one possibility, it could definitely play out differently.) - Perhaps they would simply evacuate the nearby region and nuke the Underground, but because Asriel is in the Underground (in the second scenario, he does this as a precaution) and still has human SOULs (at least Chara's SOUL, if he ejects the others), he could simply reload/reset. (Talking about resetting, why doesn't Asriel just reset when he reaches the Underground after being fatally wounded in the canon timeline? Did Chara also stop him from resetting? Did they not have enough determination? Or perhaps they didn't know about resets yet?) - Then, the human(s) commanding the nuclear strike would get a feeling, similar to some monster's deja vu about Frisk, that nuking the Underground wouldn't work, and call off the attack. - So the humans would have to attack by other means. - There are two entrances to the Underground that we know: Ruins and New Home. A competent human commander would attack both entrances at once. - Assuming Asriel did reset and warn everyone about the attack, the humans would be met with prepared defenses. The Ruins entrance already has passive defenses in the form of traps and puzzles. The New Home entrance doesn't have those, and thus should be defended strongly. - The monsters put two of their strongest monsters at both front lines: Asriel with 4 human SOULs (including Chara's) at New Home, and Asgore with 3 human SOULs at the Ruins. They are accompanied by some other strong monsters, including the royal guard. - As the humans attack, there would be a bloodbath on both sides. It would take a lot of (human) bullets to kill a monster who absorbed a human SOUL, and each human death makes the monsters stronger. - The humans eventually figure out that fact and stay away, and keeping their dying comrades' SOUL from being absorbed. - As the humans retreated to their defenses, the monster advanced out of the Underground. The front lines are now out on the surface. - The humans initially had air superiority, so they were able to kill some monsters that way, but Asriel eventually gets 7 human SOULs again and be able to fly. - Now vulnerable even behind their defenses, the humans retreat further. - Horrified by the slaughter, Toriel tries to make peace with the humans. They shoot her down, figuratively and literally. Seeing Toriel dying, Asriel and Asgore stop attacking and escort her back into the Underground. - As her mother turns to dust, Asriel was heartbroken. He tries resetting, but the last save point is set to when he reenters the Underground. - With Asriel and Asgore out of the fight and the news of the queen's death spreading, the humans retake some ground. But that is short-lived as eventually a grieving Asriel and a very, very angry Asgore go out and destroy most of the human army. - The humans beg for peace. Asgore shoots it down this time, going out to level human settlements and take out a lot of the humans' military infrastructure. Now of course this warrants a nuclear strike, and this time the commander was determined. - A nuclear bomb hits Asgore and a large portion of the monster army amidst an already destroyed city. Asgore isn't killed, but severely wounded, he retreats to a village. It's Chara's village. - Asriel, fearing for his father and Chara's village, approaches the humans a second time crying, negotiating peace. - Seeing what the other side are capable of and have done, the humans and monsters once again have peace. A MAD peace, but peace nonetheless.
He only has Chara’s soul here. After taking enough souls to shatter the barrier, they disappear like we see in the pacifist ending. So I’n this scenario he only has the power of a single soul
i think that the wizards humans were just humans who absorbed boss monster souls and gained the ability to product magic (let's be honest, before the war, there was probably more boss monsters than just two).
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Here’s a quick thing, frisk should have not been alive during asriel’s life time because it is about a 100-200 year time jump
It’s obviously determination, like every other frisk-related question
Obviously they are 106 years old at the time, they were exaggerating when they said kid.
There is no proof of this much of a time gap
@@Delta_Player_0nethis is true
@@Delta_Player_0ne most monsters that aren't dreemurs don't know what humans look like, and for all 7 kids to fall in less than a decade is almost impossible
...None of this works.
-In this timeline, Asgore has no reason to declare war unless humans attack first. He declared war specifically because Asriel was murdered by humans, so here once Asriel(and Chara) return to break the barrier, the situation would be explained to Asgore and he has no reason to declare war out of anger. If anything, he'd be livid with Asriel and Chara for risking causing a war, and keep the fact that the barrier has been broken hidden from the people to give humans some time to forget about the village whose entire population suddenly got decimated and reduce the odds of a war.
-There's also no evidence to support Chara wanting to destroy all of humanity. Yes, they're misanthropic, but misanthropes typically aren't omnicidal. They only ever show actual killing intent towards another human once the body they were sharing with Asriel was attacked, and there's no evidence they would have gone beyond killing their attackers to protect Asriel. They DEFINITELY would not have continued attacking humans if monsters started sacrificing themselves en masse to protect them, *especially their own parents.* Even ignoring every other problem here, Chara would have stopped the moment Asgore dies. It was guilt at almost killing him with buttercups that motivated their particularly painful method of suicide, why would they keep attacking? Why would they deliberately attack Toriel knowing she'll do the exact same thing Asgore and countless other monsters did? This "theory"(Although it's hardly deserving of the term given how much it deviates from canon) misrepresents Chara's character at a fundamental level, removing all the nuance in favour of "misanthropes want to kill all humans, and are incapable of caring about anyone or anything, right?"
-Frisk... wouldn't have even been born at this time, let alone old enough to be able to travel on their own. They are implied to be about preteen age at the time of Undertale's main story, which is set at least a hundred years after the death of Asriel and Chara(which we know to be the case because Undyne and Papyrus were born in the 90s of some century, but were not alive when Asriel and Chara were, having never met a human in person, with Undyne having only seen them in anime and Papyrus not even knowing what they look like.)
-Undyne has the same issue, for the same reasons. She wasn't even born at the time, let alone in a position to be fighting directly alongside the royal family.
-Do I even need to say it for Sans? He's older than Papyrus, but there's no realistic way he's, like, 90 years older. He also wouldn't be able to "put up a good fight" against such a being, for the exact same reason that Asriel and Chara had the power to destroy an entire village of humans despite humans being inherently stronger than monsters.
-Frisk literally can't have control of the timeline. Aside from the fact that Chara almost definitely had the power to SAVE when they were alive, but never actually needed or discovered it while alive(there's even a fair bit of evidence to suggest that Frisk is able to use Chara's own, formerly unused save file due to being connected with them.), we consistently see that when Flowey/Asriel gets his hands on multiple human souls, Frisk loses control of the timeline to him due to Flowey's determination combined with the souls.
-Sans doesn't remember resets. That's, like, fanon vs canon 101.
I strongly agree with this, but i would like to add one thing. Frisk would have to get sans and explain, sans would not remember like in dusttale.
In the post pacifist dialogue asriel says "I don't regret resisting Chara because if we killed those humans we would have had to go to war with humanity".
Asgore wouldn't have started the war obviously, but once humans realize that there's a super powerful monster with a human souls, the war would happen again, since their fear of monsters absorbing humans is what caused the first war to happen. The monsters would have had to defend themselves and Chara wouldn't have hesitated to wipe them out imo. Monsters have been more kind to them than any human and they would think it's right for humans to die after all the suffering they brought on monsters for millenia. That's why I suspect they came up with the plan to begin with. They probably idolized monsters for their kindness and were enraged that the humanity they hated was the one living free on the surface.
@@godoatthegoat2884 Hence why I specify that humans would have to be the ones to start the war. Asgore would take every precaution he could, likely including not disclosing how exactly they escaped and keeping Asriel out of the public eye, on top of the more impulsive measures I've already proposed.
But the video explictly describes the monsters as the aggressors, which is way out of character for everyone involved.
Chara, again, is not omnicidal. Killing in self-defense, or more relevantly to them(since their sense of self-preservation ain't great due to a variety of mental health issues), in defense of people they care about is one thing(especially given that many of the people in Chara's village may have been directly involved in Chara's reasons for hating humanity), but wiping out an entire race in cold blood is another thing entirely. And in this hypothetical, nobody would want to actually wipe out all of humanity, just defend themselves against the hostile ones. Asgore isn't angry. Asriel is Asriel. Toriel, who Chara clearly looks up to to the point of mimicking her style of speech, is present and we know how she feels about this. Chara isn't omnicidal and is more than capable of being reasoned with by their family even if they were pissed enough to consider trying.
Chara came up with their plan due to their mental health issues and how Asgore put them on a pedestal with the clear expectation that they would eventually be the angel in the prophecy(the "future of humans and monsters"). They had likely contemplated committing suicide so that monsters could use their SOUL to free themselves previously, but Asriel kept their suicidal tendencies in check for awhile, contributing to Asriel's own mental health struggles. Their mental health issues only got to the point where they actually went through with it when the guilt they experienced over Asgore's near-death was thrown in.
Yeah, Chara definitely idolized monsters. Even just in game, they will flat-out white knight for monsters as they attack Frisk, including those openly trying to kill them, like Undyne(who they seem to admire given how they describe her as heroic in all routes.). They're a monster apologist.
Sans doesn’t remember resets yet he knows about timelines stopping and starting and he’d know there would be a good reason for it
@@phoenixsenju8984 He knows about them from his reports. He doesn't know about them as they happen.
Heres how I think it would go down.
Assuming chara and asriel did declare war on humanity, toriel and asgore would likely leave. i doubt chara+asriel would care too much. They would take a lot of monsters with them and set up the underground as a safe haven, basically turning the regular underground into the ruins area of undertale, and frisk would kinda speedrun through there. Toriel asgore and the rest of the monsters might have the power to stop asriel from realising frisk has fallen.
I think there'd be a front line in the war, remember humans are still strong and a child was able to at least fight a 7 souled god for a bit. Humans would have some pretty powerful weapons without magic, and we're kinda in an inbetween state at this point. Humans can still likely use magic and have some tech, and this type of war could cause a revolution in both.
So we'd have asriel as the final boss, with chara and a ton of other human souls.
we'd also obviously not go with toriel somehow holding asriel off, obviously impossible.
Undyne would likely become the head of the royal guard, though without asgore and gerson's training she'd likely not be as skilled, instead relying on the power from the human souls to fight with.
Idk what else would happen these are just some ideas, but it would be a much bigger area than regular undertale.
damn you typed that much and zero likes
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Dark Chara: “I am invincible. I am the angel of death! Move, or I will eliminate you as well.”
Sans: “See, I’d be intimidated, but guess what? Karmic Retribution is fueled by the targets XP, and you have a _lot_ of it. You may be able to take it, but you’re still in for a *very* bad time kid.”
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I’m pretty sure Asriel is the angel, since he is the one who broke the barrier. He also has been to the surface before he died, too.
Sans can't remember reloads; 201X is the date Chara fell
That is not true chara is the first human who fell into the underground and was abandoned by asriel's family chara and asriel best friends but chara what's to destroy humanity
So chara gave asriel their soul so chara and asriel will go to the surface chara tale asriel to kill all humans but asriel refuse chara possessed frisk and try to kill Monsters in underground
I don't think asgore and toriel would want to continue the war - maybe they'd both end up in the ruins?
Frisk wouldn't be around at the time period
I mean the humans barrier can be penetrated by one human soul, but i can see the argument being made that a smaller one could be more powerful - but thousands of souls?
I doubt frisk and toriel would be enough to take on all the monsters with souls in them - specially undyne, considering she doesn't even spare
Toriel holding off asriel and chara seems unrealistic
asgore instantly turns to dust but its just enough to save frisk?
Chara aint gonna just keep blasting while monsters jump in the way with just enough.
Sans puts up a good fight against chara? wtf
Asriel would obviously be in control, course they'd both have enough, or if not them, any one of the monsters who absorbed souls
None of this works. There are some good ideas, but it really doesn't make sense overall
sans in the middle of the last seconds of the fight: hmm i feel like judging people
Chara's sprite is such a cutesy little blob. Blobfish-looking little child baby. They're such an abominable little thing.
What if chara and asriel never did the plan
There’s actually a fan comic of this.. it’s called Caretaker of the Ruins AU
Chara realized that Asriel wouldn’t kill the humans so they revoked their plan and decided to stay in the Ruins to kill every human that fell down to use their SOULs and their own to break the barrier.
I really doubt Frisk, Undyne or Sans existed back then
But Hey, that’s just a theory, Game Theory~
i dont like where this is going
“It makes sense i swear.
Considering that just 7 human soul’s match the level of a god let’s just say we’re fu####
Asriel kills his own father
Meanwhile flowey doing it without remorse
Fanfic route
What about undyne the undying??
World War III ended by Sans undertale lmao
There are only two things I think are kind of wrong with this
(Sorry for two comments)
Sans knows about resets but not about the things that happened before the resets
And Toriel having healing magic isn't canon I'm pretty sure
Other than that, it's a pretty cool story 10/10
For your first point, Sans has more deja vu after the reset than actually knowing what will happen. I just said that he knows about it so it would flow better. For your second point Toriel heals Frisk a few times in the game. Most notably once you reach her house with 19 or less hp
@@Darkveon_ I didn't actually know Toriel did that
I thought that was fanon
@@Darkveon_ Sans don't get de ja vu. he just judges expressions. And toriel wouldn't be able to fight asriel at all.
Shouldn't Asgore and Toriel be dead by that point? Although the video is entertaining anyway
humans would be dead
i wonder honestly: what if alphys never moved the determination injected flower to asgores garden (asriel still dies, and also id imagine that alphys would still try to revive asriel..)
edit: i just realised itd be a intresting au if like..it was you (frisk) trying to stop the war going on at the surface with toriel
its like a underfell but not in the underground and its a different scenario
That's an interesting idea. If Alphys never returns the flower that became Flowey, then he wakes up and first meets not his literal dad, but instead Alphys, a total stranger. Could definitely be a solid AU, although odds are it would be pretty similar to canon except for Flowey's genocide monologue about his backstory and possibly him having learned to manipulate Alphys in the way he manipulates Papyrus, since Flowey would still reset many times.
that au is somewhat like undertale fallback
@@cs95Videos A quick Google search shows that Undertale Fallback is just a Frisk as Sans AU, how is that similar at all?
@@Missingno_Miner fallback is the au where monsters after reachin the surface the humans don't accept them and start attacking them. Frisk is the protector and the one trying to stop the war but dies in the process and is a ghost who protects the remaining monsters from humans
@@Missingno_Miner it's an open source au
This wouldn't happen for sure but the idea is fun and that's what matters
the lore of undertale would be way, way shorter
A more realistic scenario (I think), inspired by Missingno Miner's comment:
- When Asriel was attacked, Chara tried to use their full power to kill their attackers.
- Asriel doesn't resist. (This is where the timeline diverges from canon, of course.)
- About 50 humans are dead, and the rest flee the village in fear.
- Asriel only takes 6 SOULs, in accordance with the plan.
- Asriel returns to the Underground with Chara's body and breaks the barrier.
- Asgore, noticing what happened, was surprised, and asks Asriel what he did.
- Asriel tells his father what he did: he placed Chara's body on golden flowers, humans attacked him, he retaliated with force, and used their SOULs to break the barrier. He doesn't tell him that the plan was to collect 6 SOULs all along.
- Asgore understands, but gets worried about the humans attacking back.
- Toriel, hearing the commotion, comes along and gets angry at Asriel for attacking the humans right away and not reasoning with them first.
- Asgore says that it's too late now and that they should think about what to do next.
- They reach an agreement that they would wait several years before announcing the news to the public and in the meantime secretly prepare the infrastructure and administrative stuff of moving all the monsters to the surface.
There are 3 scenarios of how it would play out from here:
1. The humans declare war by attacking the Underground preemptively.
2. The humans don't attack at first, but when the monsters come out, they attack.
3. The humans accept the monsters on the surface, whether through their own goodwill, by negotiation with the monsters, or because the monsters (particularly Asriel-with-7-human-SOULs) threatens them with war if they don't.
A possible timeline of the Monster Independence War, if the first or second scenario happen.
(This is only one possibility, it could definitely play out differently.)
- Perhaps they would simply evacuate the nearby region and nuke the Underground, but because Asriel is in the Underground (in the second scenario, he does this as a precaution) and still has human SOULs (at least Chara's SOUL, if he ejects the others), he could simply reload/reset. (Talking about resetting, why doesn't Asriel just reset when he reaches the Underground after being fatally wounded in the canon timeline? Did Chara also stop him from resetting? Did they not have enough determination? Or perhaps they didn't know about resets yet?)
- Then, the human(s) commanding the nuclear strike would get a feeling, similar to some monster's deja vu about Frisk, that nuking the Underground wouldn't work, and call off the attack.
- So the humans would have to attack by other means.
- There are two entrances to the Underground that we know: Ruins and New Home. A competent human commander would attack both entrances at once.
- Assuming Asriel did reset and warn everyone about the attack, the humans would be met with prepared defenses. The Ruins entrance already has passive defenses in the form of traps and puzzles. The New Home entrance doesn't have those, and thus should be defended strongly.
- The monsters put two of their strongest monsters at both front lines: Asriel with 4 human SOULs (including Chara's) at New Home, and Asgore with 3 human SOULs at the Ruins. They are accompanied by some other strong monsters, including the royal guard.
- As the humans attack, there would be a bloodbath on both sides. It would take a lot of (human) bullets to kill a monster who absorbed a human SOUL, and each human death makes the monsters stronger.
- The humans eventually figure out that fact and stay away, and keeping their dying comrades' SOUL from being absorbed.
- As the humans retreated to their defenses, the monster advanced out of the Underground. The front lines are now out on the surface.
- The humans initially had air superiority, so they were able to kill some monsters that way, but Asriel eventually gets 7 human SOULs again and be able to fly.
- Now vulnerable even behind their defenses, the humans retreat further.
- Horrified by the slaughter, Toriel tries to make peace with the humans. They shoot her down, figuratively and literally. Seeing Toriel dying, Asriel and Asgore stop attacking and escort her back into the Underground.
- As her mother turns to dust, Asriel was heartbroken. He tries resetting, but the last save point is set to when he reenters the Underground.
- With Asriel and Asgore out of the fight and the news of the queen's death spreading, the humans retake some ground. But that is short-lived as eventually a grieving Asriel and a very, very angry Asgore go out and destroy most of the human army.
- The humans beg for peace. Asgore shoots it down this time, going out to level human settlements and take out a lot of the humans' military infrastructure. Now of course this warrants a nuclear strike, and this time the commander was determined.
- A nuclear bomb hits Asgore and a large portion of the monster army amidst an already destroyed city. Asgore isn't killed, but severely wounded, he retreats to a village. It's Chara's village.
- Asriel, fearing for his father and Chara's village, approaches the humans a second time crying, negotiating peace.
- Seeing what the other side are capable of and have done, the humans and monsters once again have peace. A MAD peace, but peace nonetheless.
“with his last breath”
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Can't asriel overcome frisk with only 6
He only has Chara’s soul here. After taking enough souls to shatter the barrier, they disappear like we see in the pacifist ending. So I’n this scenario he only has the power of a single soul
@@Darkveon_ he'd just grab more while running around killing humans?
I am confused about "the humans greatest wizards"
The Librarby says that humans can't produce magic so how did they like
W a l l ?
It’s an inconsistency in the game. The humans can’t produce magic yet they sealed the monsters underground using a spell
i think that the wizards humans were just humans who absorbed boss monster souls and gained the ability to product magic (let's be honest, before the war, there was probably more boss monsters than just two).
Wait main character syndrome???
What if asriel didn't absorb Chara's soul
hmmm I wonder
world war III was ended by sans undertale lmao
nice vid bruh
9/10 theory