Is Belgium a real country? Some corrections: - I wrote AKK VVK instead of AVV VVK when showing the motto for some bizarre reason, someone kept saying 'ack' in my ear whilst I was writing that so I think that was why 😅 - Photo of Tony Van Dyck later in the video is potentially not actually him - Verdinaso apparently 'wasn't anti-clerical by a long shot', my source for this which appears to be wrong was Jonathan Trigg in 'Hitlers Flemish Lions' and I believe the veterans themselves corrected him when he met them for his next book. Van Severan (leader of Verdinaso) actually wanted to be a Priest when he was younger. Battle of Narva from an Estonian expert viewer I know: 'Video was good, on the Narva fighting though there are some errors. The Flemish lost their positions on Orphanage Hill on the first day not the second as you say in the video, Kausch counter attacked 7 times with infantry from Nordland and Estonian units before he succeeded.' The above I don't believe has been accurately translated into English which was my problem here, Trigg made a bit of a mess of describing the combat on occasion and the other sources were even messier (it seemed to be a very confusing battle).
This channel is so refreshing. For 80 years there has been one single narrative throughout the world. This narrative has made it's way to TH-cam. But this channel provides real truth. Keep it up Zoomer!
All of these Flemish volunteers were Catholics and had a full germanic skull and were tall They, along with the Spanish Catholic fighters, were on pair with the German soldier and amongst the elite of the axis forces
This is like my 5th time asking 🖐️ we also need a timeline of everything that went down during the ruin of Africa, starting with the whites being genocided in the Congo during “decolonization” 🙄 more like the beginning of Europe’s self deprecation in the act.
@@bruyneeljonas687 I like a lot of Marc Feltons stuff, but he assumes so many things to be true that his assessment of the real situations to be... normie tier, lets say. I once got into a bit of a tussle with him over the death count for labor camps that showed me his work is amazing, but he is not contextualizing anything. 15 crematories led to 1.5 million cremations and no mass graves for example. And bear in mind that number keeps shrinking year by year as people do their own back of the napkin math. But he simply will not challenge what is possible with what is accepted. Try talking to chatgpt about that particular scenario and you'll be able to walk it into admitting it's not physically possible after hours of point pressing. It's default answer is that millions died there and you're a bad person for questioning it. That's basically the Marc Felton of the chat bot world. lol
I lived in a city where the train station was bombed, killing a bunch of Flemish but not a single German, by the Allies. I've also lived in a city where the church was bombed by the Americans in broad daylight. No apology was ever given. In that same city, Joachim Peiper had actually been SS commander and executed 3 SS-men early in the war for stealing a chicken from the locals.
I hear lot stories like this recalled I doing history class in irish school taking I asked why derry call London derry cos english then I ask why danzig not belong to Germans when english fire bomb city there gave to non nations I 12 ago asking under my pro republic mindset they couldn't answer in logical way I think now better off let twos dutchs should united belgium just different church clubs border country nowadays It be something like prussia and bavaria join event in Holland new republic then france get more cheese making fields
More people were killed in Mortsel than the so called terror bombing of Rotterdam. The RAF also bombed the centre of Den Helder, not just the Naval facilities. Deliberately killling civilians.
@@BonnyJosman Ik versta het toch ! In elk geval in 1943 en 1944 werden de stad Hasselt en omliggende dorpen gebombardeerd door "the good guys" honderden mensen verloren hun leven.
“It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the whole world will know I was right.” Edit: I've been informed this quote was never said. Here is the real quote: "You will see, my spirit will rise from the grave. One day people will see that I was right." - In a letter to Churchill from Hitler, written by Ribbentrop. 'Hitler's War' by David Irving, pg 823 (physical copy), pg. 818 (internet archive).
@@Artyur 30 Sept 1942. He's said close enough to that, and parts of that statement several times. Hell, JFK said the same thing about him in effect. Also, he was right. The world is aggressively ramping up to "he was right".
@@bvowels Read Irving H's war, pg 823, H said something similar but not identical, he instructed Ribbentrop to write to Churchill: "You will see, my spirit will rise from the grave. One day people will see that i was right."
I get depressed reading about this stuff by myself but this content is fascinating: "the Flemish served in the Waffen-SS at a higher rate than the Germans themselves did" 😮
@@royale7620 Because the waloons will exterminate the flemish language and culture, as they have proven since this artificial farce of a "nation" was created
0:40 One important thing to keep in mind is that Flanders/Belgium was liberated by the Western Allies in 1944. The Netherlands, Denmark and Norway were not. So a lot of the Flemish collaborators who were not in the SS fled to Germany in 1944. The men and teenagers were then enlisted into the Waffen SS. So the high number of Flemish SS are greatly inflated by the very late war influx. For this reason it is better to compare the enlistment figures prior to september 1944.
For years I have read and watched everything available about the events of WW2. Oftentimes I’m left with more questions than answers and so much of common knowledge things made no sense . Many of the things I’ve been lead to believe seemed contrary to the things that I know. Much written and documented about the events of WW2 have been perverted to accommodate war propaganda, and post war geopolitics. It is obvious because of all the missing ,contradictory or illogical themes of the stories about the war. Thank you for sharing all the information you can get. I really enjoy the video content.
@@remisosa8948 Die avonturiers en misleide idealisten van het oostfront hebben Vlaanderen in ieder geval Vlaanderen niet verder geholpen. (Those adventurers and mislead idealists on the Eastern Front didn't help Flanders)
Had h man won ww2 then there would’ve been a European Union that would work basically like your saying and each nation would have their own SS divisions that would defend Europe as a whole
I am Flemish. Belgium does not really have to be separated into 2 countries , but if in my lifetime IF there ever would be a change to vote for independence of Flanders , "yes or no" , i will vote yes.
I remember the English historian AJP Taylor said that the Flemings regarded the Germans as next to liberators. It would seem he was right. Or should I say "richtig"?
You can check him in a documentary from Maurice De Wilde, 'Oostfronters'. I just found out he was born in the village next to ours and the guy deserves respect for his bravery!
As a flemish I would like to point out that it would make more sense for us to join the Netherlands rather than to try to continue form a nation with french people
Walloons had their own language, destroyed by the French. They are not 'french people'. They merely speak the same language now. I do not have more in common with the Dutch than Walloons. Federalism is the solution. How about we all just get stronger together? We would have to work together anyway, only more divisive than before hindering prosperity. I would not want to be together with the Dutch. We are not the same. Your remarks are an insult to our forefathers who fought against Dutch occupation. You want to get bitched around by the Dutch again?
@@deswill2737 yes but in a confederatie . I will not be ruled by a melkdrinker in The Hague. Defensie, buitenlands beleid en voetbal ea sporten dat doen we samen! Alle havens gaan samenwerken ipv concurreren
Sadly, there's little enthusiasm among the Dutch for a reunification with Flanders. The last time, your northern neighbours were lukewarm, too. The Calvinist bankers were wary of the spendthrift Catholics down south.
2:15 Don't take this wrong but you're committing quite a mistake by confusing linguistic and political divisions in Belgium. TLDR: Walloons ≠ French-speaking Belgians. The Walloons didn't dominate Belgium, they never did. That was the French-speaking bourgeoisie, composed of French-speaking "Walloons" and "Flemings", as well as French and Dutch expats, though that distinction wouldn't be relevant to them, they were all part of the same European elite. As for the actual people, "Walloon" wouldn't even mean anything before an artificial definition of it was crafted by Walloon populists in the 1960's, precisely as a reaction to the Flemish movement. It didn't work... because there's simply no such thing as a Walloon identity. In practice "Walloon" simply means "neither Flemish nor Brusseleir, but rather Flemish or Brusseleir than French". Yet, to this day, some Flemish populists will disingenuously perpetuate the myth of a persecution against the Flemings coming from the Walloons, even though it's been debunked countless times by both Flemish and non-Flemish historians. I'm very much interested in the history of the Flemish SS but I'm afraid you've drank their propaganda and I'm not sure I can trust the rest of the video, considering this is all basic knowledge about Belgium.
yep its just the usual anti Belgium yapper who never who have never set a foot in the country and never spoken to a Belgian irl. Flemish and Walloon are more culturally closer than people think. But mind that in the country side the walloon identity is really strong but its more about the rural identity and the folklore.
well.... im a native Flemish from the coast.... and i have to proof you wrong..... the bourgeoisie most of it has been expelled after waterloo. meaning that they ware waloons, still most not working are waloons....
@@angelmon6 You are wrong, the biggest part of the French speaking people of Flanders were Flemish of origin. In the 19th century, Ghent, was the 2nd most industrialised city of the continent after Paris. It was a city were the biggest part of the elite was Flemish, but speaking French. Or better, the men spoke both Flemish and French, and many women, only knew French.
Thanks for making this comment, I felt inclined to do the same. The video claims to be non-political, which may well be true for an outside observer, but in Belgium the Flemish debate is very much political. Giving false information can be detrimental to an objective historical viewing of these events. The opening statement makes these men victims of an oppression by a minority, however this disregards the fact that the social and political elite in Flanders were French speaking but in no way 'Walloon'. The Flemish question, especially pertaining the right to speak Dutch/Flemish in any official capacity, was also (though not exclusively) a question of social division, not just territorial. Therefore the 'Nieuwe Orde' (New Order) movements were not only nationalist (Flemish independence) but national-socialist (restructuring society along fascist/syndicalist lines). Increasing their victimhood by exaggerated and not properly nuanced claims gives these men more credit than they are due and therefore more liable to be glorified by people who are not as well read into this topic. Let us not forget that these men defended the nazi regime, whatever their other motives may have been. Also the sources used on this video are almost exclusively written by right wing nationalists, which should ring alarm bells with any proper historian. There is plenty of historiography out there that is not written from a nationalist angle (Bruno De Wever, Maurice De Wilde, Frank Seberechts) and could give proper context to the motives of Flemish people fighting for the nazi regime.
How can you say that "Any resentment about German occupation was swiftly replaced by feelings of relieve and gratitude". It was war, how can you imagine the whole population of an occupied country can be happy with this situation ?
I have an idea for you Zoomer, how about you make a video series about the Portuguese Colonial War ( aka Ultramar ) where Portugal fought valiantly to defend it's overseas territories from Black commie militias, UN nagging, American and NATO backstabbing, and Soviet Union/ Chinese sabotage, it would make for a great series and a perfect prologue to the Downfall of Rhodesia and South Africa ( all these events are connected in many different ways )
I'm a proud Flemish citizen, and to add a side note as a reminder that our country not only has 2 but 3 regions including a German spoken part. Needless to say that rulership over our country is rather complex, even so for our 'hopelessly divided' government sadly.
As a Belgian, it saddens me to hear so many misconceptions about my country. The French-speaking elite did indeed rule Belgium in the 19th century and in the first part of the 20th century. However, 'French-speaking' does not equate to 'Walloon.' There were French speakers throughout the country, in both the North - so, also by Flemings! - and the South. French was the language of the elite and was spoken by only a small portion of Belgians at that time. Many Walloons spoke their regional dialect as their first language and were not necessarily fluent in French. This also meant that, like many Flemish soldiers during World War I, ordinary Walloon soldiers often did not understand the commands given by their French-speaking superiors. So stating that the "Walloons dominated every single aspect of goverment, commerce and culture", is overly simplistic and inaccurate. Furthermore, Dutch - and not Flemish - became an official language.
Charles Rogier, one of the co-founders of Belgium, wrote in his book in 1830: “The first principles of good government are based on the exclusive use of language and it is clear that the only language of the Belgians should be French. To achieve this result, it is necessary that all civil and military functions present are entrusted to Walloons and Luxembourgers. In this way, the Flemish are forced to learn French. And we destroy little by little every Germanic element in Belgium.
My greatgrandfather fought in the Belgian army in World War I and was injured in the final offensive in 1918. He was decorated invalide combat veteran and also was part of the armed resistance in Antwerp from 1943 to 1944. My grandfather was forced by the germans (in 1942) to work in germany. He escaped and joined the partisans in eastern europe (possibly poland). My grandfather made it back home and hated the germans after the war. He was a convinced socialist. They were flemish. My wifes greatgrandfather was a mayor for the VNV and supported the germans. He was convicted and served several years in prison for reporting people to the germans who were sent to buchenwald and didn’t come back. It’s all in the past, almost nobody of that generation still lives.
bedankt voor nog een video over de nederlanders en de vlaams, heel erg interessant; you might consider producing something on the croat ustase, and the various german and italian affairs and shenanigans in dalmatia and the rest of yugoslavia.
Another banger 👍 I was wondering would you do a documentary on William Joyce or maybe cover a different era like WW1 or Rhodesia. Keep up the great work and Peace ✌🏻
@@michelnowe6416 Neen, het heeft gewoon geen betekenis om je te beroepen op "HeT bLoEd VaN jE vOorVaDeRs". Ik heb niks met de doorsnee Vlaming, ik vind het redelijke zielige, bekrompen en vn bange/laffe mensen. Stemmen ook allemaal extreem rechts tegenwoordig, dus ja een groot gedeelte vd Vlaemsche populatie is rechtse vuiligheid.
that's a blatant lie, Germany invaded Poland which prompted WW2. but so did the soviets, yet we declared war on Germany? despite the fact that Germany was far more willing to work with the western nations? or that Germany was invading German regions that were occupied by states that oppressed them and whose citizens were glad to be under German occupation, opposed to the soviets who were conquering non-Russian regions in order to impose communism onto them, Nazi Germany certainly did bad things, but contorting history in order to make them seem like the only truly malevolent people in all of human history is pure propaganda, Germany had reasons to do everything they did, some may be more valid than others, but all of them more valid than the soviets equivalent's.
Great video as always. Too bad almost all who have witnessed or even taken part are dead by now. Have you considered trying to find veterans and interviewing them? It would be refreshing to see that done from a revisionist standpoint.
Great documentary. I never knew about this chapter of WW2. I learn something new every time I watch this kind of program. It is very important for future generations that factual information comes to light. Even close to a century later historical fact's still come as a surprise to many my self included. Great documentary.
An interesting fact: The Volkish movements pre-NSDAP, in particular the Guido von List Society, had little if any influence over the policies of the NSDAP. Only 15 members of the Society joined the Party and the only one of any note, Hermann Wirth, was later banished from the Party. In fact, National Socialism itself, predates the NSDAP. Look up Mazzini from Italy, for example. Furthermore, the Society also had seven Jewish members, one of which was Viennese Rabbi and scholar, Dr. Moritz Althschuler.
@crusader2112 I know of Ernst Junger. An exceptional man, he served in both World Wars and saw four different Germanies in his lifetime. He developed the unique concept of the Anarch, essentially what a Monarch is to a monarchist, an Anarch is to an anarchist. Could it possibly be attached to the Anarcho-Monarchism of Tolkien?
@@crusader2112 Philip Stauff, close personal friend and comrade of List, served in WW1 and even received pages of his penultimate book while on the front lines. He later ended himself, likely due to the nerve damage endured in the war.
Don't be silly WW1 didn't have nazis or supremist, it's only far -right nazi stuff that gets posted ,the bit at the beginning saying this isn't political is to keep TH-cam happy ,all his videos glorify the nazis or their allies like the blue division
Zoomers are showing a promising interest in history and overall I am very pleased with the development of the zoomer generation: I attribute this to the fact that the zoomers were never indoctrinated by mass media and instead allowed for the most part to freely peruse the internet. What has developed is a generation that is genuinely inquisitive, able to find information and critically take in information from a variaty of sources, and able to come to their own conclusions what what they see. This is basically the OPPOSITE of the nefarious boomers, who are now entering their twighlight years and are unable to think critically, and who are so insecure at this point that many of them resort to hiding behind the television for no other reason than to be told that which makes them feel safe and comfortable...
I think this can't be boiled down to generation but rather friends and family, etc. And I think one of the reasons people wake up is not because there is less media indoctrination but instead more school indoctrination, to a point where even kids start questioning it. For example when I was in 12th grade I got a day off from school to march in a fridays for future protest 😂
Hear me out... it may sound controversial... but maybe the invention of the internet, with everyone having access to it had something to do with it. Combined with everyone receiving great education. Don't fool yourself though, you're probably more indoctrinated than you think. Just like those before us you take up information chewed up and taught to you by others. I would argue against our generation being more resistant to indoctrination, us being more inquisitive and critical. We just have more opportunity to be so. Edit: I would agree boomers (more like Gen X has done) has done our generation a lot of harm. They only think about themselves. I may sound like I'm contradicting myself, but Gen X doesn't understand what they are doing. My point being, we are not more immune to such stupidity, it would be foolish to claim so.
@@jaro551 100% We are all indorenated. I'm actually an old Millennial BUT my dad was a PSYOPS guy for the DIA so I have an advantage, but I would agree, all people are indoctrinated in some way, and we all should self reflect at times.
@@sooofisticated0499 Can you still see my first comment? I think my comments keep getting deleted all the time, but maybe it's just something on my end. Although I doubt it and it's annoying as hell. But yeah, real life is just too complex. I question myself a lot, but at some point you just have to stand for something. Other people do too and unfortunately there's just many people who stand for the wrong principles. No integrity, selfishness,...
>I attribute this to the fact that the zoomers were never indoctrinated by mass media and instead allowed for the most part to freely peruse the internet no its because its the first generation born into the bad times, who matured during the bad times, and therefore know nothing more than that things can absolutely get worse and are seeing it unfold. every other generation can look back at how good their childhool was, or how things might have been better in one way or another in the past.
Can confirm the treatment to the flemish soldier in the belgian army. My grandfather was promoted sergeant early in the war (by fixing a fleeing major's car). In an early engagement he was ordered to take post in a bell tower during a bombardment, he refused stating that was a death sentence. He was demoted back to corporal and watched the bell tower burst apart with his replacements in it seconds later. In a fit of pique his gun (he was artillery) was posted between two bridges with orders to hold until the ammunition was spent. arriving at his posting he found out he could not even see any of the bridges so he blindly fired all rounds in a field to then retreat for the remaining 10 days of the war. As a pow he spent a day in a barn, to then get taken out for a fotograph, "everybody say heil hitler and you get a beer and can go home". so everybody, who had been parched after a day without a drink promtly did so. he then went home with his rifle, horse, kit and beer. Later those would be confiscated again. He went back to his machine shop and spent the war repairing german motorcycles. About the treatment of the collaborators, being called "black/zwarte" was about the worst insult that generation could give one another, even in the 90's, but only the worst of society would act upon it, and get shunned for it.
Everyone wanted Flanders, we were controlled by the Romans, the Spanish, the Dutch, the French, Germans etc.. Every time we fought back and came out stronger. Proud to be Flemish. However we should never forget we are all but mere humans. We could achieve so much as a species if we put our heads together instead of fighting each other.
@@tchek1980 The Swedish-speakers were dominant or at least over-represented in all aspects of Finnish society at the time, in the officer corps, in finance, in higher education and public affairs just like the Francophones in Belgium. Unlike the Flemings in Belgium however, the "Genuine Finns" or Finnish-speaking nationalists did not want to break the state apart but simply reform the state from a bilingual dual Swedish-Finnish republic into a Finnish nation-state were the Swedish language would be reduced to the status of a minority language (even to this day Swedish is fully co-official alongside Finnish), to turn the army, the state university and other institutions monolingually Finnish. To counteract the growing Finnish ethno-nationalist movement the Swedish-speakers appealed to a "language peace" platform and a state-based civic nationalism to retain their ethno-linguistic priveleges much like the Francophones in Belgium did by appealing to a Belgian identity.
@@haukka119 ok I see Note that it is the Flemish who are now overrepresented in finance, higher education and public affairs in Belgium since WWII. It was the Walloons who asked for the division in the 60's due to the perceived idea that Flemish political domination rigged things in their favor, notably their very Thatcherian stance on Walloon coal mines which was perceived as being motivated by "ethnic enmity" or indifference at best (whether it was true or not). Unfortunately the division led to bad socialism/syndicalism in Wallonia.
Wonderful coverage Zoomer, as usual. If you may consider this in the future, would the topic of the N*zis calling slavs subhuman, treating them as such, etc. (Specifically Ukrainians) be something that you would be willing to talk about? All the information and secondary sources that point towards the idea of horrible treatments the slavs endured because of the N*zis look shocking, but in reality isn’t that surprising. Although, there is some indirect evidence, provided to prove that H*tler regarded these people as subhuman, and inferior, still stirs some unclarity if this is all true or propaganda? The conclusion brought by the masses keeps circling that “H*tler believed Slavs to be slightly above the J*ws, Gypsies and other minorities, but it was still not enough to classify them on the same level as Aryans or deserving of the Aryan Honorary pass because of their “culture, ethnicity, history, traditions, etc””. And I’m looking forward to putting that claim to the test to see if it’s true. Apologize for the long comment, I felt that further expansion on my thoughts felt necessary to include.
I live in a Flemish village that they use to call 'small Berlin" because of all the collaborators. The sentiment of what i get of why people joined the Waffe SS is that they where pro church and willing to die for it as they where afraid of becoming Communist. A lot of priests during the war rallied young man to fight in Stalingrad. I think the heavy conservatist roots of the Flemish and the rallying of the Church made it so those numbers are one of the highest.
Fun fact: The province Limburg used to be called Loon, which comes from Borgloon, a city together with Hasselt that took control over the region in the 11th century. In 1815, the province was called Limburg named after a city in Wallonia not in the region. Learning this pissed me off.
There was initially not one single Flemish SS: it started as the Allgemeine SS Flandern and the Flemisch Legion. The Allgemeine SS Flandern was national-socialist from its beginnings, while the Flemish Legion was not. For example: in the Flemish Legion there was resistance to pledge loyalty to Hitler
I am Fleming and appreciate this documentary because it’s true. Most of these facts are hidden from history classes. It’s a shame because so much historical information should be shared in school. Well done 👍
Many Flemish people are recognised as Righteous Among the Nations. This means that many Flemish were against the German occupation. Many Flemish people were in the resistance movements. You : "The Germans troops were ordered to behave in a exemplary manner and they did so". How can you believe that in a war all soldiers behave in a exemplary manner ? Is the arresting of the Jews, political opponents etc exemples of behaving in a exemplary manner ?
Why so concerned about the chosenites? What about the Greek children starved to death by Churchill's blockade? Do you care about them? What about al the other gentiles? Don't they count?
@@erichartmann815 The author of the video does not talk in this video about what happened in Greece. So in my reaction to his video, I do not take a position on the situation in Greece during the Second World War.
Wow, very well researched. I find our history is told more accurately ourside our borders. Belgian mainstream media will avoid the topic or clearly support a certain narative. 🤘❤️
my grandfather knew everybody ... Dr Elias was a close friend..He was godfather of my mother. the resistance tried to kill my family in the end days of the war but my grandfather defended our family...
One question, how big is the spanish ancestry in Belgium and between the flemish people? I read that some spanish nobles stablish there in the 80 years war period and before in the XV century.
Apart from a few Spanish-derived last names, you won't see much evidence of that in the people of Flanders (the Flemish don't looks particularly admixed with Southern European heritage). Nobles were probably particularly few and didn't mix much. More importantly, most of the armies in the 80 years war were actually mercenaries, e.g. German and Scottish.
It should be noted that northern Spanish and much of the Spanish nobility are predominantly Germanic in origin and thus don't look all that different to other Germanic people's, you'd have to do a dna test and even that would be of constrained worth as they go by distinguishing genetics, it is for instant very difficult to tell were an Englishman got his Latin, Celtic and Germanic/Scandinavian genetics from because that is the essential mix of all the people's surrounding him across his history, he could be essentially Norman with Breton influence or a Scot descended from a clan founded by a knight from Flanders, or he could just be from Cornwall, and yet have near exactly the same mixture on the test.
I don't think it's that large. Never noticed at least. Fun fact: one of the capitals of Bolivia is named after the noble Sucre family with roots in Flanders. Antonio José de Sucre served as a General under Simon Bolivar (the whole country named after him 😮).
As a Belgian (Flemish) I want to say that the whole part of Belgium not existing is BS. Although there are inherent differences between walloon and flemish people, there is still a large shared culture, going back centuries before belgium even existed as a nation. On top of that, apart from some old people who still remember the times when the flemish were still opressed, the only people who still care about flemish independence are far right and neo***i groups and people. edit: after watching the rest of your video I must conclude that it did not get better. I admire your research and appreciate the narrative from the viewpoint of the Flemish, but this goes to far, to a point where it almost seems like you are biased towards them and are rooting for them. The idea of "Noble Europeans fighting against hordes of barbaric Bolsheviks" sounds like it came straight from a nazi propaganda manual.
Don't sweat it mate. It's only the Brits who seem to obsess about the notion that Belgium somehow isn't a country. Very ironic, they should maybe better ask the Welsh, Scottish, Irish and Norther Irish what they think THEIR country is 😄
Not sure what to think about the neon*zi statement. Quite the bend to make and a vast generalised statement. Doesn’t mean that Flanders has one party, that it can only be far right nationalist nazi baby eaters. It’s just an untrue statement. He is listing a viewpoint which you don’t have to agree with. Just there to give insight into the situation. He’s never stating his personal political opinion. “Nazi propaganda”, they sure as hell did use it for their propaganda and communists sure as hell created a lot of poverty, despair and death. It’s not mere propaganda. It’s also based on a truth. Understanding something and agreeing with something are two different things.
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Is Belgium a real country?
Some corrections:
- I wrote AKK VVK instead of AVV VVK when showing the motto for some bizarre reason, someone kept saying 'ack' in my ear whilst I was writing that so I think that was why 😅
- Photo of Tony Van Dyck later in the video is potentially not actually him
- Verdinaso apparently 'wasn't anti-clerical by a long shot', my source for this which appears to be wrong was Jonathan Trigg in 'Hitlers Flemish Lions' and I believe the veterans themselves corrected him when he met them for his next book. Van Severan (leader of Verdinaso) actually wanted to be a Priest when he was younger.
Battle of Narva from an Estonian expert viewer I know:
'Video was good, on the Narva fighting though there are some errors. The Flemish lost their positions on Orphanage Hill on the first day not the second as you say in the video, Kausch counter attacked 7 times with infantry from Nordland and Estonian units before he succeeded.'
The above I don't believe has been accurately translated into English which was my problem here, Trigg made a bit of a mess of describing the combat on occasion and the other sources were even messier (it seemed to be a very confusing battle).
Worst thing Anglos ever did was making Belgium
Yes, better than Netherlands cause it stayed Catholic
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@@TheShape88 It's more an Spanish invention but with British intervention, such as Uruguay
@@royale7620 And loyal to Spain
This channel is so refreshing. For 80 years there has been one single narrative throughout the world. This narrative has made it's way to TH-cam. But this channel provides real truth. Keep it up Zoomer!
Its just one neo nazi revisionist channel among hundreds lmao
All of these Flemish volunteers were Catholics and had a full germanic skull and were tall
They, along with the Spanish Catholic fighters, were on pair with the German soldier and amongst the elite of the axis forces
Another day for asking on Ian Smith, Rhodesia and Rhodesian Bush War.
American Tribune Substack does alot of takes on once proud nation and its eventual fall.
Just something to read up on and watch for the time being
This is like my 5th time asking 🖐️ we also need a timeline of everything that went down during the ruin of Africa, starting with the whites being genocided in the Congo during “decolonization” 🙄 more like the beginning of Europe’s self deprecation in the act.
If you pay a certain tier in his Patreon he will make a video of your choosing but you have to show proof of doing that.
Let the man get out of the 1940s for Christ sake. Hahaha
THIS!, also one on south africa and portugals stado novo
I swear this is only channel on the whole of youtube covering WW2 affairs that doesn't suck. Proud to be a member! Keep on keeping on Zoomer!
Academic Agent read “Britains Blunder” by Peter nicoll. It was life changing
@@1toneboyIt's on my to-read list.
Maybe this Zoomer thing is just being used by certain special interest groups as a pretext for further repression. Oh, vey, if you know what I mean.
Try marc felton
@@bruyneeljonas687 I like a lot of Marc Feltons stuff, but he assumes so many things to be true that his assessment of the real situations to be... normie tier, lets say. I once got into a bit of a tussle with him over the death count for labor camps that showed me his work is amazing, but he is not contextualizing anything. 15 crematories led to 1.5 million cremations and no mass graves for example. And bear in mind that number keeps shrinking year by year as people do their own back of the napkin math. But he simply will not challenge what is possible with what is accepted. Try talking to chatgpt about that particular scenario and you'll be able to walk it into admitting it's not physically possible after hours of point pressing. It's default answer is that millions died there and you're a bad person for questioning it. That's basically the Marc Felton of the chat bot world. lol
I lived in a city where the train station was bombed, killing a bunch of Flemish but not a single German, by the Allies. I've also lived in a city where the church was bombed by the Americans in broad daylight. No apology was ever given. In that same city, Joachim Peiper had actually been SS commander and executed 3 SS-men early in the war for stealing a chicken from the locals.
I hear lot stories like this recalled I doing history class in irish school taking I asked why derry call London derry cos english then I ask why danzig not belong to Germans when english fire bomb city there gave to non nations I 12 ago asking under my pro republic mindset they couldn't answer in logical way I think now better off let twos dutchs should united belgium just different church clubs border country nowadays It be something like prussia and bavaria join event in Holland new republic then france get more cheese making fields
@@thorwolfblackfirer5723bro please learn basic grammar i cant even understand what you said
More people were killed in Mortsel than the so called terror bombing of Rotterdam. The RAF also bombed the centre of Den Helder, not just the Naval facilities. Deliberately killling civilians.
@@Ongezellig_Americanchill, he´s maybe having a stroke
@@BonnyJosman Ik versta het toch ! In elk geval in 1943 en 1944 werden de stad Hasselt en omliggende dorpen gebombardeerd door "the good guys" honderden mensen verloren hun leven.
“It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the whole world will know I was right.”
Edit: I've been informed this quote was never said. Here is the real quote: "You will see, my spirit will rise from the grave. One day people will see that I was right." - In a letter to Churchill from Hitler, written by Ribbentrop. 'Hitler's War' by David Irving, pg 823 (physical copy), pg. 818 (internet archive).
I like that phrase very much, but unfortunately he sadly never said that.
@@Artyur Anime pfp
@@Artyur Is that true? I admit I've never looked into the actual source. Who wrote it? Americans?
@@Artyur 30 Sept 1942. He's said close enough to that, and parts of that statement several times. Hell, JFK said the same thing about him in effect. Also, he was right. The world is aggressively ramping up to "he was right".
@@bvowels Read Irving H's war, pg 823, H said something similar but not identical, he instructed Ribbentrop to write to Churchill: "You will see, my spirit will rise from the grave. One day people will see that i was right."
The views to like ratio is wild. Everyone who sees this is truly a seeker of truth.
Or a nazi fanboy?
You can see likes?? Its blocked on mine
@@CrackinJacks138you need to download a chrome extension and watch it using a desktop.
I get depressed reading about this stuff by myself but this content is fascinating: "the Flemish served in the Waffen-SS at a higher rate than the Germans themselves did" 😮
> Be me, just a happy go lucky American Catholic Integralist Jacobite.
> Starts watching video on a SS unit.
> Instantly becomes Flemish nationalist.
nah fr why do they go so hard
Adore the rising sun
And leave a man undone to his fate
Welcome to the cause my catholic brother
I declare you an honerary Vlaming
Can we call you Ned Flanders?
Came here for the SS history, stayed for the Belgium slander 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Pro-Flemish reality*
Not propa
Flemish SS but no himmler video yet award 🥇
Obsessed Himmlerstone
Waiting for D.I.'s True Himmler Part II.
@@eth39232 might have to give that a wholesome read (just for educational purposes o algo)
Very based, free Flanders 🦁
You should check out RW groups in Flanders if you're a Rightist in Flanders
@@ChadBased88 One step ahead of you.
Nah, why not stay united?
@@royale7620
Because the waloons will exterminate the flemish language and culture, as they have proven since this artificial farce of a "nation" was created
@@royale7620 Radical cultural & ethnic differences, plus artificiality of the state, to be short.
0:40 One important thing to keep in mind is that Flanders/Belgium was liberated by the Western Allies in 1944. The Netherlands, Denmark and Norway were not. So a lot of the Flemish collaborators who were not in the SS fled to Germany in 1944. The men and teenagers were then enlisted into the Waffen SS. So the high number of Flemish SS are greatly inflated by the very late war influx. For this reason it is better to compare the enlistment figures prior to september 1944.
Show me primary documents to prove this. On H and WW2 there is way too much hot air passing for truth.
For years I have read and watched everything available about the events of WW2.
Oftentimes I’m left with more questions than answers and so much of common knowledge things made no sense . Many of the things I’ve been lead to believe seemed contrary to the things that I know.
Much written and documented about the events of WW2 have been perverted to accommodate war propaganda, and post war geopolitics.
It is obvious because of all the missing ,contradictory or illogical themes of the stories about the war.
Thank you for sharing all the information you can get. I really enjoy the video content.
Please don’t stop making these…
These vids, many others, and the works of many like D. Irving , EZ Zundel, GLR , need to shown.🙋🏻♂️
Excellent video as always!
As a someone from Flanders thank you for making this very good video talking about the Flemish struggle!
That's quite alright!
Unlucky, I studied in Flanders for a year. Most boring place on earth.
@@maxwentworth4391 For a tree hugger, yes. For beers and other stuff, no!
You’re in the wrong place, Dave
@@DaveSCameronJust be quiet moron.
What a pleasant surprise to see a new upload!
Ik wens mijn Vlaamse broeders en zusters het beste toe. Mogen we ooit weer vreedzaam samen komen onder één vlag.
Houzee
Van uw lippen naar God's oren, broeder.
*Ack! Die Krankheit tut mir in den Ohren weh!*
Laten we hopen
@@remisosa8948 Die avonturiers en misleide idealisten van het oostfront hebben Vlaanderen in ieder geval Vlaanderen niet verder geholpen.
(Those adventurers and mislead idealists on the Eastern Front didn't help Flanders)
Exactly why all ethnic groups should have their own government, and be allow to exclude foreigners from ruling their country.
Amen Ra! Also, thank you for being a member @Phobos1483! Keep truth alive!
Had h man won ww2 then there would’ve been a European Union that would work basically like your saying and each nation would have their own SS divisions that would defend Europe as a whole
@@Lexituller Did you miss the part where the Germans looked down upon us? Being called stupid and like gypsies.
@@jaro551 yes because that part never happened
Woodrow Wilson has entered the chat lol
God bless you and your work! This history deserves the light of day.
I knew it would be a sad story in the end, but I always hope one day the story will be different.
Then don't look at demographic trends. Those are bleak. If you want false hope and promise, pick up a Bible
I am Flemish. Belgium does not really have to be separated into 2 countries , but if in my lifetime IF there ever would be a change to vote for independence of Flanders , "yes or no" , i will vote yes.
I remember the English historian AJP Taylor said that the Flemings regarded the Germans as next to liberators. It would seem he was right. Or should I say "richtig"?
@@DaveSCameronYou do enough to seethe about it in the comments
We moeten afsplitsen van Wallonië, er is geen andere weg voorwaarts buiten die van Vlaamse onafhankelijkheid.
@@jhonjhonson5787 I agree. The Germanic peoples built Christian Europe (the Franks were Germans) and they will save it.
@@DaveSCameron Stop SCamming, dude! Remember Old Belgium with Winchester as capital.
Remi Schrijnen and his PaK - what an amazing story.
there is a book about him "The last knight of Flanders"
You can check him in a documentary from Maurice De Wilde, 'Oostfronters'. I just found out he was born in the village next to ours and the guy deserves respect for his bravery!
Great work as always
As a flemish I would like to point out that it would make more sense for us to join the Netherlands rather than to try to continue form a nation with french people
It's a shame your country is being flooded by migrants that will claim to be part of your country and claim to be original natives
Walloons had their own language, destroyed by the French. They are not 'french people'. They merely speak the same language now. I do not have more in common with the Dutch than Walloons. Federalism is the solution. How about we all just get stronger together? We would have to work together anyway, only more divisive than before hindering prosperity. I would not want to be together with the Dutch. We are not the same. Your remarks are an insult to our forefathers who fought against Dutch occupation. You want to get bitched around by the Dutch again?
@@deswill2737 yes but in a confederatie . I will not be ruled by a melkdrinker in The Hague. Defensie, buitenlands beleid en voetbal ea sporten dat doen we samen! Alle havens gaan samenwerken ipv concurreren
Sadly, there's little enthusiasm among the Dutch for a reunification with Flanders. The last time, your northern neighbours were lukewarm, too. The Calvinist bankers were wary of the spendthrift Catholics down south.
@peabase bs 70% of Dutch are pro. Flemings only 35%. That´s why you start with a confederatie. After 3 generations or so we can become one nation
2:15 Don't take this wrong but you're committing quite a mistake by confusing linguistic and political divisions in Belgium. TLDR: Walloons ≠ French-speaking Belgians.
The Walloons didn't dominate Belgium, they never did. That was the French-speaking bourgeoisie, composed of French-speaking "Walloons" and "Flemings", as well as French and Dutch expats, though that distinction wouldn't be relevant to them, they were all part of the same European elite. As for the actual people, "Walloon" wouldn't even mean anything before an artificial definition of it was crafted by Walloon populists in the 1960's, precisely as a reaction to the Flemish movement. It didn't work... because there's simply no such thing as a Walloon identity. In practice "Walloon" simply means "neither Flemish nor Brusseleir, but rather Flemish or Brusseleir than French". Yet, to this day, some Flemish populists will disingenuously perpetuate the myth of a persecution against the Flemings coming from the Walloons, even though it's been debunked countless times by both Flemish and non-Flemish historians. I'm very much interested in the history of the Flemish SS but I'm afraid you've drank their propaganda and I'm not sure I can trust the rest of the video, considering this is all basic knowledge about Belgium.
yep its just the usual anti Belgium yapper who never who have never set a foot in the country and never spoken to a Belgian irl. Flemish and Walloon are more culturally closer than people think.
But mind that in the country side the walloon identity is really strong but its more about the rural identity and the folklore.
well.... im a native Flemish from the coast.... and i have to proof you wrong..... the bourgeoisie most of it has been expelled after waterloo. meaning that they ware waloons, still most not working are waloons....
@@angelmon6 You are wrong, the biggest part of the French speaking people of Flanders were Flemish of origin. In the 19th century, Ghent, was the 2nd most industrialised city of the continent after Paris. It was a city were the biggest part of the elite was Flemish, but speaking French. Or better, the men spoke both Flemish and French, and many women, only knew French.
Idd dit is gelijk een politieke pamphlet vertaald naar het Engels ofzo. Er zitten zeker waarheden in de story maar ook grote fouten.
Thanks for making this comment, I felt inclined to do the same.
The video claims to be non-political, which may well be true for an outside observer, but in Belgium the Flemish debate is very much political. Giving false information can be detrimental to an objective historical viewing of these events.
The opening statement makes these men victims of an oppression by a minority, however this disregards the fact that the social and political elite in Flanders were French speaking but in no way 'Walloon'. The Flemish question, especially pertaining the right to speak Dutch/Flemish in any official capacity, was also (though not exclusively) a question of social division, not just territorial. Therefore the 'Nieuwe Orde' (New Order) movements were not only nationalist (Flemish independence) but national-socialist (restructuring society along fascist/syndicalist lines).
Increasing their victimhood by exaggerated and not properly nuanced claims gives these men more credit than they are due and therefore more liable to be glorified by people who are not as well read into this topic. Let us not forget that these men defended the nazi regime, whatever their other motives may have been.
Also the sources used on this video are almost exclusively written by right wing nationalists, which should ring alarm bells with any proper historian. There is plenty of historiography out there that is not written from a nationalist angle (Bruno De Wever, Maurice De Wilde, Frank Seberechts) and could give proper context to the motives of Flemish people fighting for the nazi regime.
How can you say that "Any resentment about German occupation was swiftly replaced by feelings of relieve and gratitude". It was war, how can you imagine the whole population of an occupied country can be happy with this situation ?
Another great video as always brother, you should do a video on the British Free Corps.
I uploaded that exact video mere hours ago and it’s currently sat on unlisted awaiting monetisation 😅
@ZoomerHistorian Follow your leader, rot in hell with gaydolf shitler. you emasculated zoomer fuck who sounds like his balls have never dropped
I have an idea for you Zoomer, how about you make a video series about the Portuguese Colonial War ( aka Ultramar ) where Portugal fought valiantly to defend it's overseas territories from Black commie militias, UN nagging, American and NATO backstabbing, and Soviet Union/ Chinese sabotage, it would make for a great series and a perfect prologue to the Downfall of Rhodesia and South Africa ( all these events are connected in many different ways )
Jan Lamprecht of History Reviewed has done an great series on this topic, called White Tribes of Africa.
Just in time for new hoi4 dlc
My dad wrote a book on this last year, it's called "Vlaamse leeuwen, Duitse bevelen". It's only written in dutch for now.
I'm a proud Flemish citizen, and to add a side note as a reminder that our country not only has 2 but 3 regions including a German spoken part. Needless to say that rulership over our country is rather complex, even so for our 'hopelessly divided' government sadly.
I like how you managed to say “Belgium,” with quotes, every time. lol
It’s a fake country
Free Flanders 🦁
Iron Guard or Complete life of Ion Antonescu next please, amazing video as always!
And Codreanu as well. 👍
What about Horia Sima??
Iron Guard was dumb as rocks, they didnt know how to ally Carol II or Antonescu
As a Belgian, it saddens me to hear so many misconceptions about my country. The French-speaking elite did indeed rule Belgium in the 19th century and in the first part of the 20th century. However, 'French-speaking' does not equate to 'Walloon.' There were French speakers throughout the country, in both the North - so, also by Flemings! - and the South. French was the language of the elite and was spoken by only a small portion of Belgians at that time. Many Walloons spoke their regional dialect as their first language and were not necessarily fluent in French. This also meant that, like many Flemish soldiers during World War I, ordinary Walloon soldiers often did not understand the commands given by their French-speaking superiors.
So stating that the "Walloons dominated every single aspect of goverment, commerce and culture", is overly simplistic and inaccurate.
Furthermore, Dutch - and not Flemish - became an official language.
Yes indeed, this video reeks of misinformation and bias.
The video is full of shit.
Maurice De Wilde keert zich om in zijn graf.
This channel is full of Nazi apologism and plays a careful plausible deniability game like so many covert neonazi politicians and influencers
Charles Rogier, one of the co-founders of Belgium, wrote in his book in 1830:
“The first principles of good government are based on the exclusive use of
language and it is clear that the only language of the Belgians should be French.
To achieve this result, it is necessary that all civil and military functions present
are entrusted to Walloons and Luxembourgers. In this way, the Flemish are forced to learn French. And we destroy little by little every Germanic element in Belgium.
Another fantastic video. Thanks Zoomer.
Excellent work, as always, my friend!
Hearing the fall is always such a blackpill mang
The phoenix will rise again
Yep....
My greatgrandfather fought in the Belgian army in World War I and was injured in the final offensive in 1918. He was decorated invalide combat veteran and also was part of the armed resistance in Antwerp from 1943 to 1944. My grandfather was forced by the germans (in 1942) to work in germany. He escaped and joined the partisans in eastern europe (possibly poland). My grandfather made it back home and hated the germans after the war. He was a convinced socialist. They were flemish. My wifes greatgrandfather was a mayor for the VNV and supported the germans. He was convicted and served several years in prison for reporting people to the germans who were sent to buchenwald and didn’t come back. It’s all in the past, almost nobody of that generation still lives.
bedankt voor nog een video over de nederlanders en de vlaams, heel erg interessant; you might consider producing something on the croat ustase, and the various german and italian affairs and shenanigans in dalmatia and the rest of yugoslavia.
I am Flemish, and i must say, great video!!! Nice work, keep it up!
Another banger 👍 I was wondering would you do a documentary on William Joyce or maybe cover a different era like WW1 or Rhodesia. Keep up the great work and Peace ✌🏻
Two of those three videos are coming soon
@@ZoomerHistorian Awesome. Can't wait, and sorry if it sounds like I'm rushing you.
@@ZoomerHistorianwould you fancy doing one on Archibald Ramsey, it's a very interesting tale
trots om van Diets bloed te zijn! Proud to be of Dutch heritage!
Moet je Dietsch wél met sch schrijven kameraad
Niks om trots op te zijn bruin hemd
I am Flemish, not Dutch. Schaamt gij u Vlaming te zijn ?
@@michelnowe6416 Vlamingen en Nederlanders zijn Diets. Wij zijn één volk.
@@michelnowe6416 Neen, het heeft gewoon geen betekenis om je te beroepen op "HeT bLoEd VaN jE vOorVaDeRs". Ik heb niks met de doorsnee Vlaming, ik vind het redelijke zielige, bekrompen en vn bange/laffe mensen. Stemmen ook allemaal extreem rechts tegenwoordig, dus ja een groot gedeelte vd Vlaemsche populatie is rechtse vuiligheid.
The tik history community told me not to trust you…. But he said that Germany declared war on England so I don’t know who to believe…..
that's a blatant lie, Germany invaded Poland which prompted WW2. but so did the soviets, yet we declared war on Germany? despite the fact that Germany was far more willing to work with the western nations? or that Germany was invading German regions that were occupied by states that oppressed them and whose citizens were glad to be under German occupation, opposed to the soviets who were conquering non-Russian regions in order to impose communism onto them, Nazi Germany certainly did bad things, but contorting history in order to make them seem like the only truly malevolent people in all of human history is pure propaganda, Germany had reasons to do everything they did, some may be more valid than others, but all of them more valid than the soviets equivalent's.
TIK is still in denial
@@BonnyJosman nice Irish guy
Great video as always. Too bad almost all who have witnessed or even taken part are dead by now. Have you considered trying to find veterans and interviewing them? It would be refreshing to see that done from a revisionist standpoint.
Great documentary. I never knew about this chapter of WW2. I learn something new every time I watch this kind of program. It is very important for future generations that factual information comes to light. Even close to a century later historical fact's still come as a surprise to many my self included. Great documentary.
Wake up honey! Zoomer Historian just posted a new video
>Russian ultra nationalist
>Hitler profile picture
You better not be watching this with an anime pillow
An interesting fact: The Volkish movements pre-NSDAP, in particular the Guido von List Society, had little if any influence over the policies of the NSDAP. Only 15 members of the Society joined the Party and the only one of any note, Hermann Wirth, was later banished from the Party.
In fact, National Socialism itself, predates the NSDAP. Look up Mazzini from Italy, for example.
Furthermore, the Society also had seven Jewish members, one of which was Viennese Rabbi and scholar, Dr. Moritz Althschuler.
Are you familiar with the German Conservative Revolution and men like Ernst Niekisch, Ernst Von Salomon, and Ernst Junger?
@crusader2112 I know of Ernst Junger. An exceptional man, he served in both World Wars and saw four different Germanies in his lifetime. He developed the unique concept of the Anarch, essentially what a Monarch is to a monarchist, an Anarch is to an anarchist. Could it possibly be attached to the Anarcho-Monarchism of Tolkien?
@ I don’t know, maybe. Junger and Tolkien are quite similar. Both veterans and writers.
@@crusader2112 Philip Stauff, close personal friend and comrade of List, served in WW1 and even received pages of his penultimate book while on the front lines. He later ended himself, likely due to the nerve damage endured in the war.
@@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. Damn. Sounds like he was a fine warrior and great man.
Thanks for that. It's a great help!
New Zoomer Historian video!
Any WWI videos on the horizon?
Don't be silly WW1 didn't have nazis or supremist, it's only far -right nazi stuff that gets posted ,the bit at the beginning saying this isn't political is to keep TH-cam happy ,all his videos glorify the nazis or their allies like the blue division
Ww1 doesn’t have impacts that affect our daily life’s today like the outcome of ww2 does, so therefore sadly irrelevant
Unlikely as there weren't any nazis to jerk off over!
He said" Cowardly executed all their prisoners ,and scurried off like rats . "
Zoomers are showing a promising interest in history and overall I am very pleased with the development of the zoomer generation: I attribute this to the fact that the zoomers were never indoctrinated by mass media and instead allowed for the most part to freely peruse the internet. What has developed is a generation that is genuinely inquisitive, able to find information and critically take in information from a variaty of sources, and able to come to their own conclusions what what they see. This is basically the OPPOSITE of the nefarious boomers, who are now entering their twighlight years and are unable to think critically, and who are so insecure at this point that many of them resort to hiding behind the television for no other reason than to be told that which makes them feel safe and comfortable...
I think this can't be boiled down to generation but rather friends and family, etc. And I think one of the reasons people wake up is not because there is less media indoctrination but instead more school indoctrination, to a point where even kids start questioning it. For example when I was in 12th grade I got a day off from school to march in a fridays for future protest 😂
Hear me out... it may sound controversial... but maybe the invention of the internet, with everyone having access to it had something to do with it. Combined with everyone receiving great education. Don't fool yourself though, you're probably more indoctrinated than you think. Just like those before us you take up information chewed up and taught to you by others. I would argue against our generation being more resistant to indoctrination, us being more inquisitive and critical. We just have more opportunity to be so.
Edit: I would agree boomers (more like Gen X has done) has done our generation a lot of harm. They only think about themselves. I may sound like I'm contradicting myself, but Gen X doesn't understand what they are doing. My point being, we are not more immune to such stupidity, it would be foolish to claim so.
@@jaro551 100%
We are all indorenated. I'm actually an old Millennial BUT my dad was a PSYOPS guy for the DIA so I have an advantage, but I would agree, all people are indoctrinated in some way, and we all should self reflect at times.
@@sooofisticated0499 Can you still see my first comment? I think my comments keep getting deleted all the time, but maybe it's just something on my end. Although I doubt it and it's annoying as hell. But yeah, real life is just too complex. I question myself a lot, but at some point you just have to stand for something. Other people do too and unfortunately there's just many people who stand for the wrong principles. No integrity, selfishness,...
>I attribute this to the fact that the zoomers were never indoctrinated by mass media and instead allowed for the most part to freely peruse the internet
no its because its the first generation born into the bad times, who matured during the bad times, and therefore know nothing more than that things can absolutely get worse and are seeing it unfold. every other generation can look back at how good their childhool was, or how things might have been better in one way or another in the past.
The Wallonians joined the SS as well ,
Can confirm the treatment to the flemish soldier in the belgian army. My grandfather was promoted sergeant early in the war (by fixing a fleeing major's car). In an early engagement he was ordered to take post in a bell tower during a bombardment, he refused stating that was a death sentence. He was demoted back to corporal and watched the bell tower burst apart with his replacements in it seconds later. In a fit of pique his gun (he was artillery) was posted between two bridges with orders to hold until the ammunition was spent. arriving at his posting he found out he could not even see any of the bridges so he blindly fired all rounds in a field to then retreat for the remaining 10 days of the war. As a pow he spent a day in a barn, to then get taken out for a fotograph, "everybody say heil hitler and you get a beer and can go home". so everybody, who had been parched after a day without a drink promtly did so. he then went home with his rifle, horse, kit and beer. Later those would be confiscated again. He went back to his machine shop and spent the war repairing german motorcycles.
About the treatment of the collaborators, being called "black/zwarte" was about the worst insult that generation could give one another, even in the 90's, but only the worst of society would act upon it, and get shunned for it.
These staffen guys seems really diverse and progressive for their time.
Zoomer and history legend posted on the same day, it feels like christmas. Btw, you should do a collab with him
what is that pfp lmao
@@capper528 It's the flag of skibidistan
@@KatzeMiauen sigma
I don't think History Legend is that open minded....
Great video. This channel is amazing
congrats bro just 80 videos and the algorithm already messes with u. That means you're doing good work.
for people who don't know Belgium.
now they are called vlaams belang
Thanks for another great video mate
Everyone wanted Flanders, we were controlled by the Romans, the Spanish, the Dutch, the French, Germans etc.. Every time we fought back and came out stronger. Proud to be Flemish. However we should never forget we are all but mere humans. We could achieve so much as a species if we put our heads together instead of fighting each other.
You should do a video on the Russian Liberation Army and General Andrei Vlasov
this was a wild story
A great, detailed and effortly video on this fractionally small unit.
Great eork💯
Thank you for the in depth objective expo on the darker pages of my country.
Tik tok, Where’s the iron guard video
Not at all surprised I had to dig around to see this was released
Your video’s is almost always leave me in tears, thank you.
Flemish vs Walloon relations is oddly similar to Finnish vs Fennoswede relations of the period, ethnic vs state nationalism
what is the relationship between the finnish and the fennoswedes? I'm curious
@@tchek1980 The Swedish-speakers were dominant or at least over-represented in all aspects of Finnish society at the time, in the officer corps, in finance, in higher education and public affairs just like the Francophones in Belgium. Unlike the Flemings in Belgium however, the "Genuine Finns" or Finnish-speaking nationalists did not want to break the state apart but simply reform the state from a bilingual dual Swedish-Finnish republic into a Finnish nation-state were the Swedish language would be reduced to the status of a minority language (even to this day Swedish is fully co-official alongside Finnish), to turn the army, the state university and other institutions monolingually Finnish. To counteract the growing Finnish ethno-nationalist movement the Swedish-speakers appealed to a "language peace" platform and a state-based civic nationalism to retain their ethno-linguistic priveleges much like the Francophones in Belgium did by appealing to a Belgian identity.
@@haukka119 ok I see
Note that it is the Flemish who are now overrepresented in finance, higher education and public affairs in Belgium since WWII.
It was the Walloons who asked for the division in the 60's due to the perceived idea that Flemish political domination rigged things in their favor, notably their very Thatcherian stance on Walloon coal mines which was perceived as being motivated by "ethnic enmity" or indifference at best (whether it was true or not). Unfortunately the division led to bad socialism/syndicalism in Wallonia.
Wonderful coverage Zoomer, as usual. If you may consider this in the future, would the topic of the N*zis calling slavs subhuman, treating them as such, etc. (Specifically Ukrainians) be something that you would be willing to talk about?
All the information and secondary sources that point towards the idea of horrible treatments the slavs endured because of the N*zis look shocking, but in reality isn’t that surprising. Although, there is some indirect evidence, provided to prove that H*tler regarded these people as subhuman, and inferior, still stirs some unclarity if this is all true or propaganda?
The conclusion brought by the masses keeps circling that “H*tler believed Slavs to be slightly above the J*ws, Gypsies and other minorities, but it was still not enough to classify them on the same level as Aryans or deserving of the Aryan Honorary pass because of their “culture, ethnicity, history, traditions, etc””. And I’m looking forward to putting that claim to the test to see if it’s true.
Apologize for the long comment, I felt that further expansion on my thoughts felt necessary to include.
Yes great suggestion!
Where did you get the picture at 24:36. That is extremely fascinating to see the Belfort like that.
I live in a Flemish village that they use to call 'small Berlin" because of all the collaborators. The sentiment of what i get of why people joined the Waffe SS is that they where pro church and willing to die for it as they where afraid of becoming Communist. A lot of priests during the war rallied young man to fight in Stalingrad. I think the heavy conservatist roots of the Flemish and the rallying of the Church made it so those numbers are one of the highest.
Fun fact: The province Limburg used to be called Loon, which comes from Borgloon, a city together with Hasselt that took control over the region in the 11th century. In 1815, the province was called Limburg named after a city in Wallonia not in the region. Learning this pissed me off.
There was initially not one single Flemish SS: it started as the Allgemeine SS Flandern and the Flemisch Legion. The Allgemeine SS Flandern was national-socialist from its beginnings, while the Flemish Legion was not. For example: in the Flemish Legion there was resistance to pledge loyalty to Hitler
As a Flemish nationalist, I approve of this message. Sadly, not much has changed since the war.
It’s fine the German holy motherland will take you back in when our time comes.
sadly
I am Fleming and appreciate this documentary because it’s true. Most of these facts are hidden from history classes. It’s a shame because so much historical information should be shared in school. Well done 👍
Good video and accurate
Many Flemish people are recognised as Righteous Among the Nations. This means that many Flemish were against the German occupation. Many Flemish people were in the resistance movements. You : "The Germans troops were ordered to behave in a exemplary manner and they did so". How can you believe that in a war all soldiers behave in a exemplary manner ? Is the arresting of the Jews, political opponents etc exemples of behaving in a exemplary manner ?
Why so concerned about the chosenites? What about the Greek children starved to death by Churchill's blockade? Do you care about them? What about al the other gentiles? Don't they count?
@@erichartmann815 The author of the video does not talk in this video about what happened in Greece.
So in my reaction to his video, I do not take a position on the situation in Greece during the Second World War.
kinda coincidental that this video and history marche did a golden spurs video literally 1 hour apart from each other.
Me watching this from the Flemish parlement wifi
The ICT guys looking through my view history: 👁👄👁
Wow, very well researched. I find our history is told more accurately ourside our borders. Belgian mainstream media will avoid the topic or clearly support a certain narative. 🤘❤️
I cant get enough zoomer vids
my grandfather knew everybody ... Dr Elias was a close friend..He was godfather of my mother. the resistance tried to kill my family in the end days of the war but my grandfather defended our family...
How the hell does youtube let you keep your videos up lmao. Great work once again
Nice video
W Flanders
Thanks. Born in ypres not far from Langemark this is an very facinating video. Knowing my dad Born in 1919 in langemarck was in the military in WW2
They were there... Collecting golden spurs wherever they went
Thanks for the video
You really were cooking
He might aswell change his name to chef zoomer at this point
Great video. Great channel!
29:05 - Himmler, the original Diversity Officer, organized the first ever Cultural Sensitivity Training.
One question, how big is the spanish ancestry in Belgium and between the flemish people? I read that some spanish nobles stablish there in the 80 years war period and before in the XV century.
Good question!
Apart from a few Spanish-derived last names, you won't see much evidence of that in the people of Flanders (the Flemish don't looks particularly admixed with Southern European heritage).
Nobles were probably particularly few and didn't mix much. More importantly, most of the armies in the 80 years war were actually mercenaries, e.g. German and Scottish.
It should be noted that northern Spanish and much of the Spanish nobility are predominantly Germanic in origin and thus don't look all that different to other Germanic people's, you'd have to do a dna test and even that would be of constrained worth as they go by distinguishing genetics, it is for instant very difficult to tell were an Englishman got his Latin, Celtic and Germanic/Scandinavian genetics from because that is the essential mix of all the people's surrounding him across his history, he could be essentially Norman with Breton influence or a Scot descended from a clan founded by a knight from Flanders, or he could just be from Cornwall, and yet have near exactly the same mixture on the test.
Don’t know about ethnic Spaniards but I do know Antwerp used to have a Sephardic community
I don't think it's that large. Never noticed at least.
Fun fact: one of the capitals of Bolivia is named after the noble Sucre family with roots in Flanders. Antonio José de Sucre served as a General under Simon Bolivar (the whole country named after him 😮).
Can you make videos about Stalin?
That would be antisemitic
@@Hook_88 What if we donate to Israel for this?
Off topic ,but can anyone recommend me , anymore real history channels, Zoomer is the best ive seen by the way,but I quickly devour his output ❤
As a Belgian (Flemish) I want to say that the whole part of Belgium not existing is BS. Although there are inherent differences between walloon and flemish people, there is still a large shared culture, going back centuries before belgium even existed as a nation. On top of that, apart from some old people who still remember the times when the flemish were still opressed, the only people who still care about flemish independence are far right and neo***i groups and people.
edit: after watching the rest of your video I must conclude that it did not get better. I admire your research and appreciate the narrative from the viewpoint of the Flemish, but this goes to far, to a point where it almost seems like you are biased towards them and are rooting for them. The idea of "Noble Europeans fighting against hordes of barbaric Bolsheviks" sounds like it came straight from a nazi propaganda manual.
Don't sweat it mate. It's only the Brits who seem to obsess about the notion that Belgium somehow isn't a country. Very ironic, they should maybe better ask the Welsh, Scottish, Irish and Norther Irish what they think THEIR country is 😄
Not sure what to think about the neon*zi statement. Quite the bend to make and a vast generalised statement. Doesn’t mean that Flanders has one party, that it can only be far right nationalist nazi baby eaters.
It’s just an untrue statement.
He is listing a viewpoint which you don’t have to agree with. Just there to give insight into the situation. He’s never stating his personal political opinion.
“Nazi propaganda”, they sure as hell did use it for their propaganda and communists sure as hell created a lot of poverty, despair and death. It’s not mere propaganda. It’s also based on a truth.
Understanding something and agreeing with something are two different things.
Vid on the Battle of Berlin.
Haven’t seen it yet, take a shot every time he says Catholic.
Bad advice bro, I died💀☠️💀☠️