Parsing In WoW...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- by @SimonizeShow • My Thoughts about PARS...
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Simonize is a legendary classic wow player. He's really knowledgeable, and a super nice guy when you talk to him.
And he is balding
It a Sir Hatman
@@killerluuk i agree with you disagreeing
And when he says “don’t blink” he walks the walk.
@@killerluuk I disagree with you, not that i know you or ever talked to you, but I just feel like disagreeing with you. Have a bad day
Simonize is great, his videos might be weird for new people watching them but thats just how he is. Knowledge is what he gives and his tips on how to parse in ulduar videos were pretty funny.
The problem is the idiots who want to play like the top parsing or top speedrun guilds without putting in the effort that's required. This is both in raid strategy and recruitment. Like Simonize said, the hardest part is finding a group of like minded individuals.
The problem lies in this, everyone fronts themselves as something else, no one tells you up front how terrible they are when the chips are down.
So like minded groups can only be formed by breakdowns in the norm, see how people react when the same people cry over the new level of contents top trinket neck ring ect.
We all love raiding in a guild with 15 players all in grey parses all the time, its such a wonderful experience.
I started leveling a rogue in wrath classic two months ago. Leveling from 1-80 I invested in the best professions, gear, and did everything I could to make myself look good to potential raiding guilds. The only thing, and as I later learned the most important, I failed to do was raid log I didn’t even know what it was until I tried to join my second ulduar pug and found out my parse was too low to join the group. In my first ulduar pug run I was focusing on learning mechanics so I could better improve myself as a member of a future raid team. This then lead me to having low parse scores that I didn’t even know was being recorded to a third party website I didn’t even know existed. After several more attempts to join raiding guilds and pugs (focusing on progression based grps and guilds which were very hard to find compared to farm and speed run guilds) I decided to stop wasting my time and went to retail. Parsing is bad for the game, especially for people who don’t care abt the shiny 99 and are interested in working as team to see, learn, and defeat content.
Dang, come over to BsB (WOTLK) horde side. Guild is laid back, but we do raid. However, it's not a sweat lord haven.
@@bookbm what are good realms for a newb like me? Don’t wanna work my way to lvl80 only to be denied by every guild cuz I don’t even know what parsing/raid logging is 😢 i’m just a normal dude trying to experience Wotlk classic. Currently lvling in Grobbulus but only lvl 12 and willing to reroll some where else
i loved how he constantly stared into our soul i never broke eye contact and now im wet
There it is dood.
I'm a healer main and when I see someone purposefully ignoring mechanics or "parsing" in a way that negatively impacts getting the boss down, they get healed last. It's about as annoying as healers that uses most of their mana on overhealing
unless its prog(i dont parse on prog), they are actually helping your parse too
If someone doesn't respect my gcds, I don't respect theirs. Seems fair enough.
@@nickpurdy69 That's wrong, plenty of healers like to parse. Doing well in something makes people feel good, you can succeed and parse just fine.
@@nickpurdy69 eh we do it on razor, stand in the fire and say parsee lol, if the fights a joke, theres no reason not to really, make it more interesting, sure u dont wanna sit there and stand in cosmic smashes or stay in with static in ic 25m hm, unless those fights are a joke for you atp
@@nickpurdy69 I really like warlocks that using the movement speed to help me parse. It is sometimes to boring to go for heroic and there is no dmg at all ...
For the first 12yrs of wow I had a guild that played for fun best time in wow I had. Too bad irl problems slowly broke us apart. Came back a year ago it's all numbers and I really didn't have the heart to find chill people I only found toxic people.
Comparing your parses to people with higher scores can help you better understand your spec and improve your performance. Comparing your score to others will never do that.
As with every tool ever, it depends how you use it. You shouldn’t hammer a nail with a screwdriver. You shouldn’t write text on a screen using a sharpie.
Logs allow you to understand openers. They can showcase the optimal mechanic to use a cooldown on. But if you want to be an asset to your raid, you need to *understand* rather than copy blindly.
I died laughing on this 1. Coming from asmon, who would intentionally not do mechanics and stand in fire for rage......funny part is he made a video of how and why to parse. He helped make the demon! 😆
Proving Grounds, Brawlers Guild and Mage Tower are examples of how to evaluate individual players over parses.
These things aren't just about pumping numbers, but also about brains..
I've been parsing Asmonbald regularly on his streams and the fall count has been insurmountable, gravity defying numbers. HFPS - hairfall per stream
Graffiti defying = blank wall
lol
0:15 Going on 19 years, this coming November in fact, of the stress of raiding in WoW does take its toll on the hair follicles.
It's funny how they use the word "parse". Like, at some point it actually made sense, but then people started using the term without knowing what it means. Parsing is the process of extracting more structured information from raw text. I.e. combat logs. If you want to know you made 10 DMG, you actually need to read the logs, find that information and store it somewhere, i.e. a damage table. So while calling is parsing, makes total sense. Calling the result of that "a parse" is kinda odd. Usually you would call the result of parsing like the structured data you parsed. In this case, we could call it "raid score". So we are parsing the combat logs to get the raid score. Its like calling the result of washing your cloth "a wash" instead of "clean cloth".
That thumbnail had me rolling LMAO
Idk if this is a hot take, but parses matter (ton a degree) overall dps is pretty much all that matters when raiding or doing m+. Obviously 0 deaths and highest dps is all that matters. Why? Because if your top of the chart, and you stayed alive, that means as a DPS you did your job. A DPS’s job is to do damage. Just as a healer’s is to heal, and a tank is to tank. Parsing can be toxic, sure, but DPS’s job is to do as much dmg as possible while staying alive.
Speaking as a healer, I would say that dps are primarily responsible for bringing the boss’s health down, not necessarily as fast as possible, and not necessarily with the greatest sheer output. In fact I think you missed one of the video’s key points-on a very simple boss with no mechanics, obviously sheer dps is the most important thing to focus on, but as fights become more complex, and in particular as you’re forced to choose between doing more raw damage and helping your team accomplish whatever objectives are necessary to down the boss, then raw damage isn’t what’s most important. There are countless examples of situations in which dps are forced to make such decisions, and the video alludes to a few. For example, you might be asked to hold a powerful cd for a bit longer than is optimal for raw damage output if you’re required to burn through a particular phase… really, there are many such cases. Your job as a dps is not really to do the most damage, unless you’re competing with some friends on a target dummy. Your job is to do damage in whatever way is best conducive for downing bosses.
Looking at someone's parse to gauge their quality as a player is like looking at someone's resume. It's not completely accurate but you can get a good, general indication of what they can do.
exactly
When I used to play WoW I was the guild’s dedicated parse collector (idk what to call it - I had the app running in the background). I had a vendetta against the other healers, challenging myself to get the best golden parse (even though they probably didn’t care). I always had a mana trinket so I could spam shit. Whenever I got a purple parse, I was disappointed in myself. The problem though, now that I think about it, was probably the amount of grey on other meters… I should’ve offered to help my guildmates improve rather than focus on shiny numbers. A lot of them were older and not so good at video games but I still loved ‘em. I was alright at DPS too, I could’ve swapped with them (I believe healing is easy but I’ve been doing it for years so maybe not for everyone). We probably wouldn’t have hit enrage so often :/
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How to kill Parsing in THREE STEPS.
One: Put naming and shaming _into the game itself_ and do not allow addons to turn it off. Now everyone knows when Timmy fucked up the mechanics and screwed up the run.
Two: Encounter mechanics are strict Pass/Fail. You fuckup, YOU DIE. In a raid environment, this means if Timmy doesn't do (X) the raid wipes.
Three: Design encounters with mechanical requirements that can't be ignored. No more "stand in the fire and pump DPS; healers adjust" bullshit.
Timmy _can't avoid responsibility._ The game itself tells everyone that he fucked up the mechanic that wiped the raid. No amount of "Muh Parse!" means anything if that wipes the raid, meaning that _no one gets paid_ (i.e. no loot, no achievements, etc.) because Timmy can't follow orders.
Timmy gets the boot. He'll keep getting the boot until he either Gits Gud or quits raiding. WOW would be better off either way.
Homie’s never blinked in his life
The 90+ parses aren't making the raid wipe. The folks at 99-100 aren't making healers heal them more. Their healer is probably high parsing as well.
Now take a 99 parser and put them in a 50 average guild and see what happens.
I’ve wanted to raid in wow for so long, but knowing how shit repulling can be, I just can’t bring myself to even try.
Repulling and raiding culture. The moment I have to get on discord I feel like the raid was just replaced with an office meeting.
The Yogg0 example is sorta wrong. We burn ALL the adds down after the first heal to buy time for the tank.
Best example to know why parsing is f**ed up -> Mythic Sennarth on retail WoW :
For the best encounter you have to kill a Frost Spider when it spawns, but you can make sure by looking EVERY logs on Mythic Sennarth that 40% of DPS don't switch on it when it spawns, they just keep damaging the boss. Killing that spider with 100% of the DPS focusing it implies that :
-You get rid of it faster
-You won't take the risk to be killed by the AoE that pops on everyplayers by Sennarth
-You'll increase the chance that people won't die during the encounter
There is also a totally f***ed up rule on Warcraft logs :
As soon as you get too much P.I or any buff by other classes, your logs are excluded from the website, that means that if you have a team that is successfull on bosses with ALL that buffs (that are part of the game, no exploit, no bug ) you aren't ranked.
But parsing is the same as io rating on MM+? Each week there are different affixes that makes certain dungeon more difficult than others :
Example : Week 1 affixes can get you reach a +22 whereas Week 2 will make your head burn because you can't clean the same dungeon with the same team on a +20.
This man didn't blink until 9:23
Have consistency, mechanical skill, be a good team player and you'll naturally do better parsing anyway. Parsing itself should never be the goal unless you want to be in that type of group.
well said
Healer parses are even better :) Had a healer in a raid once with 99 parse on a boss. His assigned tank died twice that fight xD
I'd rather take someone who is decent at parsing and known the mechanics and not someone who ignores mechanics to get a high parse.
Whenever i'm looking to fill a final spot, the things I do to make sure the person i'm about to invite will not be a detriment to the raid are:
- An inspect of gear/talents
- checking gearscore/ilvl
- checking if the player parses at least 70ish
- deaths during an entire ulduar(maybe trash damage during the entire ulduar to see if they're afk andies)
- Talk to them to see if they can comprehend my language (this is a big one)
You can get a really really good grasp of a player's skill with these tools and obviously you should not base it on 1 number
Well, Warcraft Logs could fix this by changing their parsing rules. I don't know if the blame should be put solely on the players since they are just playing within the parameters that make sense in order to score high. People who care about stuff like that, and don't get it twisted, they have to care because most of the good guilds at least look at logs, are going to play in a way that is optimal for them to have higher scores.
I think the biggest example I know of this in my own raid is the fact that we have one rogue and he doesn't use tricks of the trade at all after the pull because it doesn't increase his parse.
Don't laugh at the old middle ages balding guys Zack. There was so many of us in TBC in our 30's. The guild I was in for most of TBC was called "Legions of Azeroth", the core of the guild and the GM came over from DAoC (Dark Age of Camelot) which came out about the same year as the OG Everquest IIRC. Anyway, the top rogue in our guild when we were raiding TK+SSC, was a lady who's characters name was Asche. She played from Germany, never late to a raid, cool attitude, very soft spoken, spoke perfect english, and back in 2007 she was 65(!) years old!! Doing some math, she's even older than my parents, and I'm about to turn 53....
I think WoW should show stats similar to overwatchs "deaths per 10 minutes". Average deaths, interrupts, dmg taken, self healing vs healing taken from healer, etc.
All dps meter addons have these and can display it, however too few people look past the dps meter and healing meter. If it was by me, I would ban healing meters, because they are more harmful than good.
@@yummy8074 I know. I track all my kicks, dmg taken, etc. But warcraft logs and parses don't track them from my understanding. So nobody actually sees any of that info until after you've already failed your m+ key because a "pumper" died every other pull from standing in mechanics and you realize "dang.... prob shouldn't have invited him"
Always funny to see how mmo player find a way to kill their own genre.
Used have fun with my friends in wow but in classic they barley even talked to me anymore all they cared and talked about was their parses to stroke their dps ego, as a healer I don’t give a fuck
Clear time would be a better stat to measure the efficiency of a raiding team. However, that would lead to a bunch of a different problems, like preferring having specific race-class combinations over others to lower the time as much as possible.
Most people with high parses early into patches have way less progress than the people that cleared the raid. Why do you think most guilds that clear bosses early hide their logs.
I agree that parsing is bs. I'm a holy pally and struggle to get really high parses. However, I've proven myself many times on my ability to keep the group alive. An example of this was a time when in my 25 man Ulduar raid during the iron counsel, all the other healers in the group died as we dropped stormbringer. I managed to keep the raid alive, solo healing for the rest of the fight. Yet my parse on the iron counsel is still low.
Parsing is a good way to measure skill if you use it in relative terms. A 95 parse in a top tier group full of 99s and one or two 100s (and you're a full dps spec with no other responsibilities ie not a dsac ret, not raid leading) is a worse score than a 90 parser hard carrying a casual dad guild full of green parsers.
Best way to measure skill is just to trial them to a clear and see how they perform relative to your groups skill level.
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Parsing is not as prevalent on retail considering there's also M+ which isn't measured the same way.
The irony of this is that Classic/SoD players are trying to make themselves more skilled that they actually are and each time the argument given are both extremes "the really good vs the really bad" which doesn't make any sense.
Can you imagine having a *way bigger* entry barrier for easier content than retail which is way harder in every aspects ?
Parsing in retail vs parsing in classic is so different. Classic parsing is just straight degen
I think what is toxic is people who don't realise that increasing overall group DPS in 99.9% of cases boosts your own parse due to boss killtimes, and, like that rogue example of not using Tricks. Putting that on a Demolock with Meta during execute, or on a UHDK during BL+CD's, is adding 5-15 seconds of the boss' living due to how powerfull those CD's are.
Yeah the problem with parsing is some people won’t nut hug a boss at the expense of the raid kill. Myself being one of them. I regularly blue/purple parse but it just isn’t enough for most guilds in mythic raiding.
7:00 not true. Faster kill times = better parse = using tricks
What if Warcraftlogs counted it against your parse if you didn't do mechanics? They already have the Execution metric. So for example, let's say you have the ability to dispel and there's a mechanic where people get a debuff and need to be dispelled or else they die (like Noth). No one dispels the person with the debuff one time and they die. Everyone in the raid has 2 or 3 dispels, but you have 0. So they get docked some points, but you lose the most points for not even trying.
Would love if warcraftlogs implemented a score system where 50% of your score was damage and 50% was damage mitigated by defensives minus damage received from avoidable damage / mechanics failed (similar to wipefest)
LOL I was that boomkin in TBC. "fucking mages taking my innervate and dying IMMEDIATELY, brez yo self bish"
Didn't take us 15 years to figure this out. Most of us quit after Wrath because OF this. If you're measuring your worth based on pixels... you need a reality check.
On dps and healing I average about 80% parse. But I don’t optimize for damage and healing. I just do the boss mechanics, use cc and interrupt and contribute to the group.
7:24 in ffxiv all defensive cds are ogcd so there is no excuse to not help out healers and tanks with mitigation
Blizz should just fully embrace parsing and make it official with a leaderboard and everything, and implement mathematical bonuses to the overall score of each player based on metrics of performance other than DPS. Avoided all swirlies? Take a 1.2x multiplier to your score. Battle rezzed a tank or healer? Another bonus. Adhered to the mechanics flawlessly? 1.5x extra.
This way, you quantify performance in ways beyond just do big numba and promote healthier pugs.
My man was reading that script so hard.
Probably the best way to prevent pool sitter dps is having pools lower your dps if you stand on them.
They do lower your dps. Its called dying.
lol one boss in Ulduar even gave you a dps boost for pool sitting. Allows Elem Shams to get insane DPS by just soaking it for near instant-cast spells.
In classic it was easy to sort out bad players on small servers. Word of mouth thinned out bad performers, it was an easy xpac and there were still bad players.
A halfway decent raid leader or officer isn't going to be fooled by high parsing dps. They will thoroughly look at the log and expose your lack of mechanics knowledge. Now if this happened when the boss is on farm, cool, no biggie, give the guy a pat on the back. Happened during your progression? Well then you get declined for someone with half the parse and better mechanic knowledge.
I just bailed on my wrath classic raid. Despite dropping algalon and yogg no light and parsing an 85 on that yogg kill I kept being told it wasn’t good enough.
If you had a 85 on yogg+0, then yes, you must be doing a lot of things very wrong, doing +0 automatically boosts you to a super high parse
@@voo7210 not everyone is going to 99 that fight, especially not the buffbot built demo lock and if you go into the last phase with low sanity because of the random zap rng in the previous phases you find yourself unable to soul fire as often as you would like.
I enjoyed parsing when it was once a month for dark moon faire. Vanilla BIS.
Never liked parse culture. Semi-serious guilds have always educated or weeded out players whose DPS doesn't increase with added gear and game familiarity. It happens organically. Everyone should contribute to a certain degree, unless a guild is expressively very casual and everyone's held to the same low bar. Running background checks on logs creates such an awkward entry barrier to participation, and one that runs very contrary to how the game itself is advertised to players. Causes the gap between serious and casual players to grow even wider, to the detriment of both camps, with one side struggling for numbers and the other for competent guidance.
I mean, how often do you see "LFM ULDUAR 25 HM GUILD RUN 4.8K GS+ WILL CHECK LOGS"? Several times a day, in my case. For one, if your GUILD RUN has such high standards that you can't even fill a roster with your own up-and-coming recruits, you're functionally a failure as a guild, on self-inflicted life support and holding yourselves to unrealistic standards. To me, that's always been a huge red flag. Especially when it's the same guilds week after week. Even with my main meeting those requirements, I'd never join that group or guild. Makes me think that they're led by a core group of RL friends who're unwilling to compromise and difficult to approach for new recruits. Or just flat out uncharismatic. Instead, those potential recruits get swallowed up by social guilds, rarely realize their potential, and are turned off from serious raiding by peoples' attitudes. People getting caught in the social trap rarely ever leave it, while the parse pumpers burn out. And it's all self-engineered.
You can nitpick certain scenarios all you want..Parsing is still the most accurate way to guage if a player is good. Like there really is not a better method.
And if you are super curious about someone getting a undeserved high parse you can pull up the log and see exactly what they did.
PvE:
Gear > Race > Skill
PvP:
Gear > Spec > Skill
No exceptions. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if someone overvalues skill in a game where skill is tertiary in terms of performance, they're stupid. If they contest the fact that skill is tertiary to gear and to a (much) lesser extent race, they're delusional. If two people of equal skill play the same class but one is raid geared and the other is in blues, it's not hard to imagine what the parses will look like.
I've seen top-parsers fail at mechanics because all they focused on was dps.
I don't play WoW but I have played FFXI and I can see the benefit of parsing, if I were to lead a group in FFXI for example and I were tackling high end content, I would certainly consider parsing if we were struggling to clear to see if people can be picked up as I would prefer a player with sub-optimal damage who is consistent in attendance over a player who has top tier damage but won't show up half the time.
Of course if a player has absolutely trash damage I would probably drop them like a stone.
Never heard about "parsing" in that context. Also I haven't played WOW since Cataclysm.
I do feel like you are wrong about !it's impossible to train people not to care about parses". Back in the days we had rules: you are still healing, after the raid-lead said "everybody die and reset" - you loose some DKP. Sounds a bit harsh, but that really was only enforced a single time, then everybody get it.
You have that boss with a crazy curse and want all mages to highly prioritize cleaning curses over damage? Easy. The first time we wiped a full day we pulled the stats afterwards and noticed that one mage had like 5 times the de-curses than all other mage combined. 50 DKP Bonus for him (which was basically a full raid worth of DKP) and oh boy, never ever did we see someone with a curse for more than 2 seconds :)
imo parsing is good as its a 'general' way to see how good a player is. obviously a player with a 99 might not be better than a player with a 90 etc, but it's the best method we have to see an individuals performance. it definitely does have flaws but at the end of the day a DPS's job is to do DPS. you can always pull up the actual log to see if they aoe padded etc if you really care that much.
The thumbnail for a video on this topic is absolutely spot-on.
Damn, that's the longest taxi flight I've ever seen. They should fix that 😆
Best ducking thing ever is when it is used outside of wow. On Monster hunter World, on PC you can install a basically same ass mod and it tracks just the same. Sure early set implications but that's blizzard fault for allowing that kinda addon in a MMO.
There are tanks in my guild actively wearing dps gear to parse and causing wipes on algalon. People that think they are the 1% of the 1%. It's not the only reason, but causing your group to not kill the boss is one of the worse results of parsing. People that want to see 99's above all else are the worst.
Only play with likeminded people. They either all care about parses or none - parses wont be a problem in any case.
Parses are important to me because I'm a very competitive person, so being the best I can is something I aim for. In Retail, at least in my experience - there's so many less people that care about parsing. It's a bad metric, but it's the best metric, like you said. M+ doesn't mean anything when you can buy 20s and whatnot.
Parsing is basically thief of joy. This is coming from someone who has achieved rank 2 DPS in the world for bosses as a warrior. I like it a lot, but it gets boring after a few expansions. The guilds always focus those on higher parses who basically are people who have no job and no responsibilities. Or if they do parse high, then they dedicate 100% of their free time to a game. I wished I could care and go back and parse higher, but I don't have the time to practice. Don't forget PARSING for rank 1, are complete BS on most bosses in raids. Just padding and getting guildies to hold DPS away. Can't wait for a new MMO. There needs to be a WoW 2 or some other mega MMO.
Classic is so easy that i don't see problem with parsing. But ppl ignoring stuff on retail to get few more % is annoying af -__-
parsing for pink parses degenerates the team experience.
parsing mid 80s to mid 90s on everything is a great indicator that your guy is good enough to bring along.
Asmon roasting Simonize gearing FUCKING LMAO
You can parse 99 with no parse strat just by playing well and running the right build
Parsing is like a credit score for wow & side quest to otherwise killing the boss for the 10th time.
Why wouldn't the parse system reward individual effort on the boss fight instead of just simple repetition of basic mechanics.
i really am starting to hate parses on any fight that has any sort of AoE, some classes can just press a button and red mist everything in sight, other groups let some people hit the adds for way longer than they should ever be alive for to also farm healer parses on the side - the only parses that have ever mattered are ST only training dummy fights like terros
I was told I had low numbers as a Holy Paladin. Seeing as how no one died, I think I did my job fine.
Where did he get that hat drop from??
But yeah hes 100% right as an enhancement shaman nothing pisses me off more than seeing other enhancement shamans do slightly more dps but have less than a 10th of my healing done throughout a fight. Using a gcd to drop healing stream, refresh earth shield on myself and the tank, use mealstrom to heal myself or even another player especially in mythics when I or they drop super low and currently in a high party damage received phase, slightly delay offensive cd useage to line up with ancestral guidance during a high damage received phase. Hell in many mythic+ big pulls the amount of aoe damage you do combined with ancestral guidance can keep the entire team topped off easily like at the end of algethar fighting the bladestorm guys in the corridor.
This dude is the wow equivalent of a middle age guy going on about his high school football glory days; except instead of football, its WoD.
Was top 100 on my dk in BFA, was nice. But after Shadowlands I'm never coming back.
Asmongold commenting on his dagger not knowing the Algalon dagger isn't even very good lmao
I don't play WoW but as far as I understood, the problem is not the pars, it is that the metric doesn't align to what is important, how good are you to complete the content, why no having average DPS and target (Damage to the boss) DPS, mechanic success rate, and that's it
Wth is everyone talking about? You cant parse when you are dead and your group is not killing the boss.
Until you get ‘full BiS’ there is no point parsing in WoW. The game is built around stats not skill. I can be Ilvl 418 but parsing about 20k+ or lower purely because of not having a mythic manic grief torch drop this entire time.
MOP: ret's(insert hybrid) are fucking useless; also mop: need hybrid for CM , cuz if healer dead we can still win DUH
You don't even need to be above average at parsing tbh bc so many people are focused on it that the average dps damn near outweighs average clear rate lmao. My guild got aotc and a few mythic kills in 10.0.5 in retail and almost every one of our dps was a 30 parse or lower. Obviously we pushed into blue and purples once we started getting it on farm but the moral is 99% of raid failures aren't because of damage.
There's a reason you'll never see a pro player, or RWF player on top of warcraft logs. It's a clout thing.
The only way I see parsing being "fixed" is if Warcraftlogs and Raidbots somehow combine systems in a way that you can import a log into raidbots and sim the fight for a character and compare RT vs Sim. It wouldn't be perfect but at least if youre getting 3 pis, speedkilling in 2mins, and hitting adds when you shouldn't be your sim will expect you to be higher and accommodate for that. But that would be insanely complex as you'd have to make apls around success vs damage.
An example of cheesing parsing is with healing on razor scale. you have a person stand in the fire while you heal the crap out of them. no relevance to strategy what so ever.
Parsing kept the game enjoyable for me and others in my old raid teams. Super-optimising my character build and play on farm nights, for parsing, was how I kept farm enjoyable. It was fun as hell, almost everyone in the team was doing it, and there was no way we were gonna wipe on the first 6-8 bosses when we were progging on the final two bosses or whatever. It was hilarious to see bosses get absolutely nuked because everyone was going all out trying to parse. We were continually looking for new ways to minmax the legendary ring for biggest deeps... so we could parse. Otherwise it'd have been boring as hell
I've been saying this for YEARS, glad someone finally brought it up
But from the parses you can watch replays and judge someone fair and use it in interviews.
As a boomkin I feel that dude. Love my guild. Not a parse guild. Always new peeps who we bringing up. Wouldn't change anything. Love playing w these peeps!
This is such nonsense people who parse with 99 in general aren't trolling the raid the whole time they are just good players. They still playing mechanics because otherwise u wouldn't survive or u wouldn't kill the boss in the first place.
In some cases people don't play the optimal strategy for the raid because they are already in farm since 3 months and the raid can allow people to play suboptimal to maximize their dps but those people already had good logs in progress.
All im hearing is "i can't have 99 logs because i'm playing mechanics" but those people will never understand that the actual good players just do both at the same time...
Warcraftlogs also improved alot over the years for example adds who didn't get killed in a fight don't count into the logs same with really meaningless adds like on hivemind in ny'alotah they just don't count at all.
18:05 is a troll but also a good example what i mean "i can't log that high because of this and that" but if they actually do what they want they still don't reach 99 logs even close frankly it's a skill issue.
Parsing is a huge waste of time and also blizzard should rebalance the game so gear doesn’t give you a 2000% buff.
Many people who are parsing have this mentality of “I don’t need to do mechanics, someone else will do that. I just wanna do damage.” Then you wipe because half the group does that crap and they bitch and leave.
Also back in Cataclysm we had similar gearscores to what we have now in Dragonflight, but damage and health numbers were quite a lot lower back then. Stats on gear were lower. Abilities did less damage. Player power is just super overtuned now.
Everything That is Not retail is Just nostalgic addiction
Another problem FF doesn’t have. WoW needs to update kits so players want the same thing as the game wants
Until you get to something like Terros where if your group doesn't do enough damage you can not kill the boss regardless how "perfectly" you do the mechanics....
BiS dagger is from Freya LOL
I have stopped playing wow in pandas circa 2012. and my head of hair have never been fuller and more luscious
Im in a HOF alliance guild, we private our mythic logs so people don’t play like shit for parses on prog lol