We have this problem in the UK Hate crime over here (and soon to be in America too) just means “perception of offence” as defined by the arresting officer and or the “victim”. People are being locked up over here for calling people idiots online just because the person they called an idiot is a part of a protected group. You do not want this, it’s really bad.
@@a_kazakis u just gave the reason why its not a good idea to make them criminal. "obviously its unrealistic" if its unrealistic and not enforceable at a general level it shouldnt be criminal and a court would likely rule that his behavior on 4chan was protected by the first amendment. 😅 they were lucky they didnt ran into a auditor.
well, this is not as big a deal as it sounds for game lobbies. The person the '"threat" has been said to needs to actually report it to the police first. I feel confident that anyone in any game lobby literally couldn't care less to report shit like that. Still, don't do it and all that.
Don't know about the U.S but in Brasil unless you're mad rich or friends with powerful people, there is no choice. If you're Lucky enough for the police to ask you before they beat you, you'll be wize enough to keep the situation like that
One of my bosses over heard me speaking to a coworker about a video game called “drug dealer simulator” and I had to explain to him that “in this video game you sell drugs and run from the police in order to win” Luckily I still have that job lol
@@Teuwufel he's probably lying if not making a joke.. cause he doesnt have to explain it to his boss... 😂 boss cant even fire him over that... pretty sure that illegal btw.. imagine talking about john wick 4 or any movie and getting fired.. 😂
Same thing happened to my mom, expect the scumbag also repeatedly visited the outside of our house. Police still did nothing because he was on public property.
“Assault” in Florida is a threat. This would not be assault. You must meet the elements of the crime; being: 1. By word or by act, the suspect must make a specific threat of violence (raising a fist, pointing a gun, saying a threat) 2. The suspect is able to carry out the threat right then and there 3. The victim must be in fear that the violence is about to take place
THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE 2C:12-3 b. A person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he threatens to kill another with the purpose to put him in imminent fear of death under circumstances reasonably causing the victim to believe the immediacy of the threat and the likelihood that it will be carried out. Technically u could say this applies here but its hard to argue this was a real criminal threat and almost impossible to proof that a random 4chan comment with a "joke" at the end was intended to put the sheriff into imminent fear of death. 😅 lets be real a lawyer would have had a easy clap with this
@@davidsantiago7808 no cause you have to meet all 3 elements. You cannot carry it out. The victim shouldn’t be in any fear they are about to suffer any violence
@@hithro5466 yeah. It helps more to build a case of those types of threats and file a restraining order, looking at things like aggravated stalking, etc.
Oh yay, let's make already illegal things extra illegal. I'm sure increasing sentences with interpretation based labels won't be abused at all 😅. Like all this "in minecraft" stuff is stupid. But "hate crimes" are scary. Just look at the English "non-crime hate incidents" or that, I think it was Australian, police force that deemed people calling them nazis was a hate crime.
@Luya Yivana ... right because I said any of that. Calling for violence is already illegal, charge them for it if someone's spouting that shit. Hate crime modifiers to crimes allow laws to be even more arbitrary. Because if the officer doesn't like you or is a piece of shit all they gotta do is make some shit up. "well, when you littered you were in a black neighborhood, obviously you meant it as a racist hate crime." And once hate crimes are established, why not add more crime modifiers?
Well to be fair calling anyone a Nazi without proof is grounds for anyone to sue you in the first place as there is a strict definition for what a Nazi is just look at them from WW2 and what all they did. If word of someone being a Nazi or a Pedophile gets out it and spreads around it usually ruins a persons life even if proven false and yes there are actual cases of this
@@ItzPubby (2045) ''thanks to the mics we placed in your home we heard at 2 am last night that you committed an atrocious hate crime'' ''what? but i got up to pee and bumped my little toe and i let out a swear word thats it!'' ''yes but that swear word was the algodly N WORD SIR!....NOW TAKE THIS PIECE OF S*** tO GULAG! NO FOOD OR WATER UNTIL HE CONFESS!''
Because there have already been cases like this involving Klan members. The courts have already ruled you can scream "kill the *racial expletive*" at a rally full of people in public and it's still protected speech.
@@biglollol That's implying if a 4chan user can keep their mouth shut, which as we've seen clearly he doesn't. Also personal opinion but how about people just not wish death or for someone to murder others over the internet lol legit caveman brain doing that shit, but again 4chan so makes sense...
@@lordtouchme it's hard to call a sheriff a government offical. Also if it's normal for them to do this for a sheriff why didn't they do it to the thousands who said the same against Trump while he was in office. TV said shit like this about Trump and are still on TV
@@Madara-yf6yn the real answer is : because it depends if the dude making the threat is leftist or not.....leftist? no problem....but if youre on the right....or even the middle.....oooooh boy you are going down
@@kokocaptainqc That makes no sense. 4chan dude threatened a FLORIDA sheriff. So you're saying the sheriff is a leftist (which, in Florida, I doubt he could even get a political job as a leftist) or the 4chan user is a leftist? Kinda contradicts your statement. Also, again, it's 4chan...where some are on the right, more the far right, but most the far "insane, forgot which direction is which".
@@kokocaptainqc I mean the guy who was in the video who got arrested for saying the guy should be killed was most likely a fucking leftist. That doesn't matter though. Yes I mentioned Trump but I wasn't making it a political argument. My point was if, like the guy I replied to said, it's and 'of course' situation for cops to after people who threaten a government official, in this case a sheriff which barely if at all counts as a government offical, then why wouldn't they also have went after people who threatened the at the time sitting presidents life. Hell I'm sure tons of people threaten to kill Biden online and they also don't have cops track them done and prosecute them either. So no it's not and 'of course' thing for people like the guy in the vid to be tracked down and arrested. I'm not trying to protect or make excuses for him when I say this but he shouldn't be actually prosecuted or anything like that over this unless he was actually plotting to kill the other guy. If it was something he just said without actually doing anything to follow through with it and they prosecute him anyway they we be setting a very bad precedent
Idk, I prefer when people say “in game” or “in Minecraft” as a signal that they’re just popping off, they aren’t serious. This other way of looking at it is kinda breaking my brain, like are people not allowed to pop off on the internet anymore? Am I not allowed to make purposely empty threats in a post-ironic way, where I’m saying it because I’m frustrated but don’t literally mean what I’m saying? It’s scary when people start to make laws about what you can and can’t say, idk about all that. Actions speak louder than words, talk is cheap. Twitter is not real life, neither is 4chan.
*Announcer:* "or the ring right?" *Sam Hyde:* "No in real life! I'm going to stalk him and become obsessed with him, and wear his makeup, and his dresses."
This just reinforces my belief that things only continue to get more and more fucked up. A sheriff isnt going to scare anyone by making am example out of some guy. But this is going to ignite their hate further
This is ridiculous, going after a guy who doesn’t even leave his house because your feelings got hurt and having the power to do so is horrible. He should get a fine for saying dumb shit but destroying his life even further is nuts
@@deathserpent9747 Whilst I agree he should be punish for the crime, and telling someone to kill themselves is absolutely NOT okay, going as far as the sherif did was too much, there are an insane amount of people that say stupid shit like that in League, CSGO, Valorant, etc... The worst thing they can get is a perma ban, I think what he did is absolutely not acceptable to say to anyone period, but going that far to punish the guy is just way too much, punish him, yes, but so he learns his lesson, not so that the lesson had been learned for naught.
The sad part is for a threat to have any legal repercussions is for it to be "credible". Is some 30-year old goblin living in his moms attic going to actually carry out an attack on this Sheriff, no. The thing about "in minecraft" is what people in the legal field call a spoiler word. Its there to differentiate between two things, which in this instance is a credible threat. This looks like an abuse of authority by the sheriff because he doesnt like people online talking crap. I doubt this guy is going to trial or even charges with anything because any judge would throw this out because its completely ridiculous.
@@S7Vmv No, you're wrong. A fundamental aspect of language and communication is something called "subtext," the idea that people can express ideas and share messages that are *not* explicitly implied in the language itself. If I say I want someone dead and I truly mean it, and I manipulate my language as to appear that I am saying something else, not only am I inciting violence and premeditating homicide, I am also demonstrating malicious intent by consciously hiding what I am doing. Reality check.
fr isn't it disingenuous to act like people use it in statements that are actually intended to be threatening? idk I've ever seen it used that way before, maybe it's just not my crowd. wbu guys?
If the issue is that there’s too many people making empty threats online leads to “false positives”, then the focus shouldn’t be on a systematic persecution of people who make empty threats, that’d ultimately lead to a severe misuse of resources (like in this case, all of the resources that went towards catching that other state’s 4chan troll could’ve instead gone towards catching/preventing actual criminals within the local community), but instead should be aimed towards improving the system so that real threats could be distinguished from empty threats. With the ultimate goal being to decrease false positives. This isn’t even touching upon the freedom of speech implications for the persecutory approach.
nah let them do it ... if they expend so many resources trying to intimidate millions of people on the internet then they wont have resources when the real hate crimes come ... when they cant go deal with that one dude littering on the side of the street because they seem to care about the small stuff more than the actual big things that actually puts peoples lives in danger
@Trump Is The Messiah If Billy is in Maine and threatens to end you and you live in Seattle, do you automatically believe Billy is gonna actually fly/drive to your house to go end you? I guarantee you most "sane" cops would look at that and probably not do anything because *you just don't know if Billy would actually follow through on that threat, combined with the police needing those resources elsewhere.* Don't gotta like it but sometimes you have to take things in context. With the aforementioned analogy, Billy is on the complete opposite side of the country from you in that scenario. You'd have no "true" indicator that Billy would do it because he's on the opposite side of the country and you likely wouldn't have the tools to track him to see if he's actually gonna do it.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller
Yes the famous words uttered by the last person talking about shooting someone in the head to remove a problem. Maybe if someone had taken some of these mass shooters who were posting this kind of stuff seriously we would have had few less mass killings this year.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Hes losing his touch. His takes seem to get more and more out of touch as the days go on. I'm still baffled by his "just move" take.
So you can threaten someone on a live stream, with a firearm in hand and face no repercussions whatsoever, but if you say you’ll beat up someone in Minecraft you get in trouble? America truly is a magical place.
@@jackhorkheimer ikr, in other comment someone said that the example is "putting a bacon on the mosque handle (prolly due to how it's not halal), but then I say "isnt it just a litter + targeted harassment?" it too specific of a charge for a category that alredy exist, at best it's just a combination of multiple categories
"hate littering" actually at my old school some students almost got hit with that when they threw a bunch of cotton balls in front of the black student cultural center.
pathetic, if that is a thing, freedom of speech is dead.. but of course, it only matter when you say the truth that the antiwhite media is completely owned by people with small hats... nobody cares if a wh1te is k1lled in the street tho.. but "hate littering" that's serious.
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that threatening to kill the law enforcement officer is a Class D or C felony, meaning he could get 5 or 10 years in prison. Plus you could classify this as a death threat, so that would get you at least 5 years.
@@MaskOfAgamemnon A counter suit is not available in a criminal case. You would need to hire an attorney that does civil rights litigation and file a completely different law suit.
So in law, mens rea (mental state) is one of the required element. Cases like these don't have a mental state. For criminal threat, State has to establish the intent that he was trying to threaten someone.
@@MaskOfAgamemnon Ok. I promise I will entertain one more comment and stop it no matter what is said. I am employment lawyer, not criminal. So take what I say w a grain of salt. These are only generalized statements not necessarily accurate to Florida State law. So States often enact unconstitutional laws that are guaranteed to be overturned in the Supreme Court. 2nd amendment and abortion laws are good examples. Looks like how they construe hate speech will not pass strict scrutiny. That being said, States can and do these to bully people who they don't like. Regarding whether internet speech is a threat. It is important to prove intentionality. You need to intend to threaten someone. Obviously, posting a post in an anonymous thread kinda goes against this. Minecraft is also something else. Also, whether this can reasonably be preceived as a threat is a factual determination. The police's reaction does not really seems to be from a person who is believed to be under threat. This might hurt him. Whether police acted one way or another is not that legally significant. Police do not make a legal determination. If so, many of my friends will be out of jobs :(. They still can do these. Guy can sue for civil damage but likely wont success cause soveign immunity and look at the guy. he is 4 chan shit poster. FUck him right? lol Anyways, I am only talking about legal liabilities. In real life, the law is not the answer to all. Being in court is expensive and a hassle. Just be street-smart. You are still going to be hurt as long as your actions raises to a point of reasonable suspicion so just don't
freedom of speech is starting to look a little dicey, im not saying its okay to threat government officials. However, what happens when a government official does something really bad that gets covered up by their buddies or other officials who are also associated with that person and the crime. And now you can no longer really hold them accountable yet alone even talk about holding them accountable. they make laws for us common folk, they do not make laws for them. That's my biggest take on the topic. I especially dont think that I can be taken to jail from states away for something I said on the most troll website you could possibly find on the internet. Again threatening people and their lives are a bad thing to do, but idk there is a fine line between what should be taken seriously and what should just be disregarded as people blowing smoke.
5:55 I think the point of that is to have the power to convict anyone as a felon for littering, because it's not hard to twist things to make it seem like "hate" was the motivation
How about, don't threaten to kill people. Or make calls to action for others to kill someone. Government officials or civilians... How is that for an idea? I never understood why people think its ok to be so damn toxic just because they are on the internet.
@@sujanaryal833 No, that was the news story. The kids in question are literally terrorists who happened to also play video games inbetween building weapons in the garage.
Just wanna say for those wondering the real origin, it's not just some guy on 4Chan, although Know your meme does site this. Pretty sure South Park featured the phrase in an episode where the kids took away true crime from their parents and the parents went to Minecraft to replicate true crime cases. The episode came out in like 2013 or so. Butters or someone had these acts done to him in Minecraft by his dad, and acted pretty traumatized by it and the phrase ", in Minecraft." was used a lot. Often used after describing why Butters is acting this way to Chef. Example based roughly on the episode scene. "Butters' dad tripped him down a well. Yeah, but in Minecraft." Just as I roughly remember the scene going but yeah. It's kinda weird seeing how this episode possibly started the whole wave of people using "In a videogame" or using X videogame to describe where the acts take place.
"Hate Crime", even at the conceptual level, is in and of itself, an abject violation of the 14th amendment in that hate crime laws provide legal protections to _some_ people, which are not extended to others. Quoting the exact text: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; *nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.*
Hate crime laws should really be reviewed by the Supreme Court I really don’t believe it’s reasonable for racism to be a valid intent to punish more severely
Burning a cross on someone's lawn would be a case of hate littering. Throwing a brick through a window is potential assault and littering and a hate crime.
The guy will walk. He's not able to carry out the threat nor would he ever be. It is also very easy to ridicule everything he says on the internet especially in front of jury that will consist of people that are not zoomers
I don't think any adult thought it would save you legally. I thought the idea was you'd say it to give the platform plausible deniability and maybe that would save them from banning you.
The issue is one part of something to be assault (the threat of violence) is it has to be a credable threat. Meaning Means, ability etc. No Prosecuter would touch the girl threating Hassan. Also in most cases the victim has to want to press charges, which is more common than "the police didnt care."
@@SCP_Gate-Guardian ok? Well seeing as the US has some of the loosest laws on such, if adopted here, the other nations would adopt it quickly if they already dont have one.
A call to commit a crime has and should always be a crime. You cannot tell someone else to commit a crime. Suicide is not a crime, and therefore telling someone to "KYS" is not a crime. Just rude. "Hate crimes" however are dumb because they're subjective, based on how someone else reacts or want to react.
"Hate Crime" is what we have in the UK, Look at someone wrong on the street? Straight to court, you are nicked son. Call someone an idiot but they're a protected group? Straight to court hope you enjoy prison. Get someone's gender wrong because they don't have their pronouns on a namecard on their chest? I do hope you enjoy the years in prison, you're going to be there a long time. A hate crime is just a thought crime. the state is not your friend, you need to fight against these laws or you'll have no freedom to speak. Control what people can say and you control what people think.
Anyone who has ever used this defense like this was not only threatening someone's life, but was also calling everyone else stupid at the same time. No reasonable person would think this is anything remotely resembling a legit defense in this context.
At the end of the day all the sheriff did was virtue signal. The only reason they went after the troll was because the sheriff is on the "Important people" list. Nothing of value is going to come out of this.
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Imagine if the cops did this on everyone that makes a death threat on the internet. The police would busy 24/7 b/c of Twitter alone.
They only did it cause it was another officer.
would rather them spend time doing that than going after drugs
We have this problem in the UK
Hate crime over here (and soon to be in America too) just means “perception of offence” as defined by the arresting officer and or the “victim”.
People are being locked up over here for calling people idiots online just because the person they called an idiot is a part of a protected group.
You do not want this, it’s really bad.
@@a_kazakis u just gave the reason why its not a good idea to make them criminal.
"obviously its unrealistic" if its unrealistic and not enforceable at a general level it shouldnt be criminal and a court would likely rule that his behavior on 4chan was protected by the first amendment. 😅
they were lucky they didnt ran into a auditor.
well, this is not as big a deal as it sounds for game lobbies. The person the '"threat" has been said to needs to actually report it to the police first. I feel confident that anyone in any game lobby literally couldn't care less to report shit like that.
Still, don't do it and all that.
13:29 imagine if the cops pulled up like this this whenever a youtuber/steamer decides to scam people for millions of dollars publicly
Never never never let the police into your house without a warrant.
Good advice, but they had a warrant
They can enter Under exigent circumstances.
Don't know about the U.S but in Brasil unless you're mad rich or friends with powerful people, there is no choice. If you're Lucky enough for the police to ask you before they beat you, you'll be wize enough to keep the situation like that
He's been swatted a bunch of times they didn't ask permission
They did have a warrant though. Watch the full video
No pvp in Minecraft anymore…
Damn man, they nerfed "In Minecraft".
now you have to use "In VR"
Welp, how to craft tnt in minecraft searches are now arrest warrants.
@@superitgel1 yep and whenever theyre able to put mics and cameras in people's homes? dont swear if you hit your little toe ;)
One of my bosses over heard me speaking to a coworker about a video game called “drug dealer simulator” and I had to explain to him that “in this video game you sell drugs and run from the police in order to win”
Luckily I still have that job lol
Why are you the lucky one?
good boss, he took the joke like a champ
@@Teuwufel he's probably lying if not making a joke.. cause he doesnt have to explain it to his boss... 😂 boss cant even fire him over that... pretty sure that illegal btw..
imagine talking about john wick 4 or any movie and getting fired.. 😂
Plot twist, your boss is already a "drug lord" in the game
I know a woman who was threatened over text. Weak cops were like we can't do anything unless he does something.
@@An.Unsought.Thought No, you need to be the sheriff, otherwise who cares?
its like youve informed the cops of a potential risk, so when the cops pull him for something else they are like yeah we know who you are.
Same thing happened to my mom, expect the scumbag also repeatedly visited the outside of our house. Police still did nothing because he was on public property.
@@dudebruh8534 guess you have to be a cop to take action against a threat. I hope your mom got out of that situation.
“Assault” in Florida is a threat. This would not be assault. You must meet the elements of the crime; being:
1. By word or by act, the suspect must make a specific threat of violence (raising a fist, pointing a gun, saying a threat)
2. The suspect is able to carry out the threat right then and there
3. The victim must be in fear that the violence is about to take place
THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
2C:12-3
b. A person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he threatens to kill another with the purpose to put him in imminent fear of death under circumstances reasonably causing the victim to believe the immediacy of the threat and the likelihood that it will be carried out.
Technically u could say this applies here but its hard to argue this was a real criminal threat and almost impossible to proof that a random 4chan comment with a "joke" at the end was intended to put the sheriff into imminent fear of death. 😅 lets be real a lawyer would have had a easy clap with this
@@davidsantiago7808 no cause you have to meet all 3 elements. You cannot carry it out. The victim shouldn’t be in any fear they are about to suffer any violence
@@gecgoodpasi1654 it’s pretty hard for things to be imminent over the internet.
@@haggus71 deputy sheriff over 6 years in Broward County, FL
@@hithro5466 yeah. It helps more to build a case of those types of threats and file a restraining order, looking at things like aggravated stalking, etc.
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Oh yay, let's make already illegal things extra illegal. I'm sure increasing sentences with interpretation based labels won't be abused at all 😅.
Like all this "in minecraft" stuff is stupid. But "hate crimes" are scary.
Just look at the English "non-crime hate incidents" or that, I think it was Australian, police force that deemed people calling them nazis was a hate crime.
@Luya Yivana ... right because I said any of that. Calling for violence is already illegal, charge them for it if someone's spouting that shit.
Hate crime modifiers to crimes allow laws to be even more arbitrary. Because if the officer doesn't like you or is a piece of shit all they gotta do is make some shit up. "well, when you littered you were in a black neighborhood, obviously you meant it as a racist hate crime."
And once hate crimes are established, why not add more crime modifiers?
@@ItzPubby you are the problem
Well to be fair calling anyone a Nazi without proof is grounds for anyone to sue you in the first place as there is a strict definition for what a Nazi is just look at them from WW2 and what all they did. If word of someone being a Nazi or a Pedophile gets out it and spreads around it usually ruins a persons life even if proven false and yes there are actual cases of this
Dude be droping the n-bomb like its nothing
@@ItzPubby (2045) ''thanks to the mics we placed in your home we heard at 2 am last night that you committed an atrocious hate crime''
''what? but i got up to pee and bumped my little toe and i let out a swear word thats it!''
''yes but that swear word was the algodly N WORD SIR!....NOW TAKE THIS PIECE OF S*** tO GULAG! NO FOOD OR WATER UNTIL HE CONFESS!''
I have a hard time believing that motivation is easily proved in Cort
Realistically, I don’t think this case is going to go anywhere in court
Because there have already been cases like this involving Klan members. The courts have already ruled you can scream "kill the *racial expletive*" at a rally full of people in public and it's still protected speech.
@@Pepe-dq2ib L
Sam Hyde said "Hasan Piker I'm coming to kill you, in real life" and he keep getting away with it lmao
Sadly Hasan never took him up on the boxing offer. Smh.
@@gurmyigoll3535 Hasan is a coward
The police are rightfully far too scared to try and arrest famed mass murderer Sam Hyde.
The police should have investigated the threat and deemed it not real. Waste of resources and the 4chan guy should sue for defamation.
Better to make an example than to let someone do it
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@@biglollol That's implying if a 4chan user can keep their mouth shut, which as we've seen clearly he doesn't. Also personal opinion but how about people just not wish death or for someone to murder others over the internet lol legit caveman brain doing that shit, but again 4chan so makes sense...
Cops suddenly go through the effort of finding out a random anon instead of dealing with actual problems that civilians face
because the threats were made against government official. Of course they would go through the effort
@@lordtouchme it's hard to call a sheriff a government offical. Also if it's normal for them to do this for a sheriff why didn't they do it to the thousands who said the same against Trump while he was in office. TV said shit like this about Trump and are still on TV
@@Madara-yf6yn the real answer is : because it depends if the dude making the threat is leftist or not.....leftist? no problem....but if youre on the right....or even the middle.....oooooh boy you are going down
@@kokocaptainqc That makes no sense. 4chan dude threatened a FLORIDA sheriff. So you're saying the sheriff is a leftist (which, in Florida, I doubt he could even get a political job as a leftist) or the 4chan user is a leftist? Kinda contradicts your statement. Also, again, it's 4chan...where some are on the right, more the far right, but most the far "insane, forgot which direction is which".
@@kokocaptainqc I mean the guy who was in the video who got arrested for saying the guy should be killed was most likely a fucking leftist. That doesn't matter though. Yes I mentioned Trump but I wasn't making it a political argument. My point was if, like the guy I replied to said, it's and 'of course' situation for cops to after people who threaten a government official, in this case a sheriff which barely if at all counts as a government offical, then why wouldn't they also have went after people who threatened the at the time sitting presidents life. Hell I'm sure tons of people threaten to kill Biden online and they also don't have cops track them done and prosecute them either. So no it's not and 'of course' thing for people like the guy in the vid to be tracked down and arrested. I'm not trying to protect or make excuses for him when I say this but he shouldn't be actually prosecuted or anything like that over this unless he was actually plotting to kill the other guy. If it was something he just said without actually doing anything to follow through with it and they prosecute him anyway they we be setting a very bad precedent
Idk, I prefer when people say “in game” or “in Minecraft” as a signal that they’re just popping off, they aren’t serious. This other way of looking at it is kinda breaking my brain, like are people not allowed to pop off on the internet anymore? Am I not allowed to make purposely empty threats in a post-ironic way, where I’m saying it because I’m frustrated but don’t literally mean what I’m saying? It’s scary when people start to make laws about what you can and can’t say, idk about all that. Actions speak louder than words, talk is cheap. Twitter is not real life, neither is 4chan.
At least Sam Hyde had the balls to say real life.
Edit: That hate crime bill sounds insane.
Sam Hyde >
*Announcer:* "or the ring right?"
*Sam Hyde:* "No in real life! I'm going to stalk him and become obsessed with him, and wear his makeup, and his dresses."
Because it is insane.
It's very overreaching
I thought the Candyman said that
This just reinforces my belief that things only continue to get more and more fucked up. A sheriff isnt going to scare anyone by making am example out of some guy. But this is going to ignite their hate further
Yeah this just made me hate 4chan trolls and cops both so much more.
This is ridiculous, going after a guy who doesn’t even leave his house because your feelings got hurt and having the power to do so is horrible. He should get a fine for saying dumb shit but destroying his life even further is nuts
in 100 years if this ''hate crime'' BS goes the way it wants then humanity will probably stop talking altogether.....everybody will be a mute
@@Planterobeetsah yes, saying a death threat is saying mean things online.
@@deathserpent9747 Whilst I agree he should be punish for the crime, and telling someone to kill themselves is absolutely NOT okay, going as far as the sherif did was too much, there are an insane amount of people that say stupid shit like that in League, CSGO, Valorant, etc... The worst thing they can get is a perma ban, I think what he did is absolutely not acceptable to say to anyone period, but going that far to punish the guy is just way too much, punish him, yes, but so he learns his lesson, not so that the lesson had been learned for naught.
Never been a scarier time to be a role playing mine craft player.
The sad part is for a threat to have any legal repercussions is for it to be "credible". Is some 30-year old goblin living in his moms attic going to actually carry out an attack on this Sheriff, no. The thing about "in minecraft" is what people in the legal field call a spoiler word. Its there to differentiate between two things, which in this instance is a credible threat. This looks like an abuse of authority by the sheriff because he doesnt like people online talking crap. I doubt this guy is going to trial or even charges with anything because any judge would throw this out because its completely ridiculous.
"sheriff Mike doesnt have time to deal with this dude."
I feel like Sheriff Shitwood will put 100% of his time and effort behind a case like this.
reminds me of that case where the girl kept texting her bf saying to kill him self over and over, and he did it. Then she got arrested
i think harrasement with intent to harm exhaust that. hate crime is bullshit
He must have been amazingly skilled to be able to kill himself over and over! Most people can only do it once.
Asmongold: "Yeah I shot his ass because he wouldn't put the items back on the shelf that he stole..in Minecraft."
I can't wait for the defense attorney to say "your honor my client clearly said in Minecraft"
4:31 prewatched lol
@@S7Vmv hilarious that you think that's going to hold over. 🤣 I swear an ENTIRE generation was raised terminally online.
@@S7Vmv No, you're wrong. A fundamental aspect of language and communication is something called "subtext," the idea that people can express ideas and share messages that are *not* explicitly implied in the language itself. If I say I want someone dead and I truly mean it, and I manipulate my language as to appear that I am saying something else, not only am I inciting violence and premeditating homicide, I am also demonstrating malicious intent by consciously hiding what I am doing.
Reality check.
@@S7Vmv "Your honor, my client terroristic threats were meaningless, because he was playing bed wars when he made them."
Incredible.
@@S7Vmv you said nothing of value, you are wrong, and that's life.
Rip BOZO. In Minecraft.
@@S7Vmv Stick to the Mid CoD uploads. Anything beyond press F to pay respects is beyond your grade level clearly.
1:07 I wish someone would've told him to watch that WKUK clip. So good.
Fucking love WKUK.. rip Trevor
I honestly thought people say that to avoid TOS but to use it to make veiled threats obviously isn’t a protection
fr isn't it disingenuous to act like people use it in statements that are actually intended to be threatening? idk I've ever seen it used that way before, maybe it's just not my crowd. wbu guys?
If the issue is that there’s too many people making empty threats online leads to “false positives”, then the focus shouldn’t be on a systematic persecution of people who make empty threats, that’d ultimately lead to a severe misuse of resources (like in this case, all of the resources that went towards catching that other state’s 4chan troll could’ve instead gone towards catching/preventing actual criminals within the local community), but instead should be aimed towards improving the system so that real threats could be distinguished from empty threats. With the ultimate goal being to decrease false positives. This isn’t even touching upon the freedom of speech implications for the persecutory approach.
nah let them do it ... if they expend so many resources trying to intimidate millions of people on the internet then they wont have resources when the real hate crimes come ... when they cant go deal with that one dude littering on the side of the street because they seem to care about the small stuff more than the actual big things that actually puts peoples lives in danger
@trumpisthemessiah7017 the vast majority of death threats are ignored, and obviously also toothless.
@Trump Is The Messiah If Billy is in Maine and threatens to end you and you live in Seattle, do you automatically believe Billy is gonna actually fly/drive to your house to go end you? I guarantee you most "sane" cops would look at that and probably not do anything because *you just don't know if Billy would actually follow through on that threat, combined with the police needing those resources elsewhere.*
Don't gotta like it but sometimes you have to take things in context. With the aforementioned analogy, Billy is on the complete opposite side of the country from you in that scenario. You'd have no "true" indicator that Billy would do it because he's on the opposite side of the country and you likely wouldn't have the tools to track him to see if he's actually gonna do it.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
Yes the famous words uttered by the last person talking about shooting someone in the head to remove a problem. Maybe if someone had taken some of these mass shooters who were posting this kind of stuff seriously we would have had few less mass killings this year.
God damn. Charlie has really changed alot. Hope Moist E-Sports is able to take this hit.
you dont want moist E-sports it could creat short circuits
None of this is about liberty. Its about political targetting.
Saying you want to beat someone up isn't a crime it's saying that you will that makes it a threat.
The threat has to be proximal and actionable.
asmongold will have a full head of hair
in minecraft
4chan glows
Does this mean CoD lobbies are now actual war crimes?
Way to be intellectually dishonest.
Yes, it's real life now.
The Chewbaka defence!!! It makes no sence!!!
I always assumed the "in minecraft" or "in a videogame" thing was just a way to get around cencorship on twitch and/or youtube
I though it was because their was a gamer who was shit talking someone in a game and he got arrested for it by people reporting it to the cops.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Hes losing his touch. His takes seem to get more and more out of touch as the days go on. I'm still baffled by his "just move" take.
So much resources wasted just because a sheriffs feelings got hurt by a random 4chan troll nobody.
Naw, it's about time someone checked the basement dwelling wht ntnlists
This is like when someone does something really fucked up, and then say, "It's just a prank bro!"
Yeah, or when they insulted your existence, and then went 'It's opposite day!'
idk i think death threats should be allowed in minecraft as long as you don't actually kill anyone... in minecraft.
the joke in "in minecraft" is that means nothing like the "no homo". if someone though for real that is a disclaimer wow
tru idk where the idea came from that people use it as some sort of legal defense, but I've never interpreted it that way.
I agree, don't post threats against government officials.
That way they won't see you coming.
Ah an actual joke lmao
So you can threaten someone on a live stream, with a firearm in hand and face no repercussions whatsoever, but if you say you’ll beat up someone in Minecraft you get in trouble? America truly is a magical place.
This is a worrying action from a government entity.
Hate littering was the first hate crime done to me, they threw a drink at me when I was at a bus stop from a passing car.
That's assault (I mean also littering but the more major crime would be assault)
no such thing as hate crime, clown. this shouldn't be a thing
No, that's just attempted battery.
@@uruson Depends on the jurisdiction, many places you don't need to make contact for it to be an assault. It'd often just be misdemeanor though.
@@jackhorkheimer ikr, in other comment someone said that the example is "putting a bacon on the mosque handle (prolly due to how it's not halal), but then I say "isnt it just a litter + targeted harassment?"
it too specific of a charge for a category that alredy exist, at best it's just a combination of multiple categories
"hate littering" actually at my old school some students almost got hit with that when they threw a bunch of cotton balls in front of the black student cultural center.
@@pandapo7542 little lol
pathetic, if that is a thing, freedom of speech is dead.. but of course, it only matter when you say the truth that the antiwhite media is completely owned by people with small hats... nobody cares if a wh1te is k1lled in the street tho.. but "hate littering" that's serious.
To be fair egging might fall into this category
What the f is a black student culture center?
@@DerelictSong Right? Maybe don't be a racist shitbag and you won't have any problems?
This sherif will probably get counter sued
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that threatening to kill the law enforcement officer is a Class D or C felony, meaning he could get 5 or 10 years in prison.
Plus you could classify this as a death threat, so that would get you at least 5 years.
Counter?
@@MaskOfAgamemnon A counter suit is not available in a criminal case. You would need to hire an attorney that does civil rights litigation and file a completely different law suit.
@@503leafy exactly, you don't counter sue felony charges...
There is no "in Minecraft" because people have never been charged for hate speech in the first place in America and argued it...
So in law, mens rea (mental state) is one of the required element. Cases like these don't have a mental state. For criminal threat, State has to establish the intent that he was trying to threaten someone.
Why did I come to youtube for legal analysis? IDK. I am sick
Good thing they have all that text.
Seems dead to rights.
@@An.Unsought.Thought he said "murder him"...
@@MaskOfAgamemnon Ok. I promise I will entertain one more comment and stop it no matter what is said. I am employment lawyer, not criminal. So take what I say w a grain of salt. These are only generalized statements not necessarily accurate to Florida State law.
So States often enact unconstitutional laws that are guaranteed to be overturned in the Supreme Court. 2nd amendment and abortion laws are good examples. Looks like how they construe hate speech will not pass strict scrutiny. That being said, States can and do these to bully people who they don't like.
Regarding whether internet speech is a threat. It is important to prove intentionality. You need to intend to threaten someone. Obviously, posting a post in an anonymous thread kinda goes against this. Minecraft is also something else.
Also, whether this can reasonably be preceived as a threat is a factual determination. The police's reaction does not really seems to be from a person who is believed to be under threat. This might hurt him.
Whether police acted one way or another is not that legally significant. Police do not make a legal determination. If so, many of my friends will be out of jobs :(. They still can do these. Guy can sue for civil damage but likely wont success cause soveign immunity and look at the guy. he is 4 chan shit poster. FUck him right? lol
Anyways, I am only talking about legal liabilities. In real life, the law is not the answer to all. Being in court is expensive and a hassle. Just be street-smart. You are still going to be hurt as long as your actions raises to a point of reasonable suspicion so just don't
@@MaskOfAgamemnon so did you just now, what's the difference? same words, same situation of unknown intent. same waste of everyone's time.
This blew my mind when I read it in the news. Much less 4chan anonymity.
We should bring back old school duels.
Don’t think that idea would work as well as you think it does…
I don't think anyone is stopping you, if you and some other person both want to have a dual. It'd be pretty damn hard to prevent.
I thought you were talking about RuneScape lol
to me this sumarizes the americans on internet. "I have freedom of speech" "...in minecraft"
freedom of speech is starting to look a little dicey, im not saying its okay to threat government officials. However, what happens when a government official does something really bad that gets covered up by their buddies or other officials who are also associated with that person and the crime. And now you can no longer really hold them accountable yet alone even talk about holding them accountable. they make laws for us common folk, they do not make laws for them. That's my biggest take on the topic. I especially dont think that I can be taken to jail from states away for something I said on the most troll website you could possibly find on the internet. Again threatening people and their lives are a bad thing to do, but idk there is a fine line between what should be taken seriously and what should just be disregarded as people blowing smoke.
5:55 I think the point of that is to have the power to convict anyone as a felon for littering, because it's not hard to twist things to make it seem like "hate" was the motivation
So in other words, the cops can make up any charge against you. and say the intent was a hate crime. Hate crime for littering? wtf yall smoking?
You can be charged with anything at any time.
It's always been that way.
Whether or not charges will stick...
Love it when asmon pauses the video to go on a long rant only to get proven wrong the moment he hits play.
How about, don't threaten to kill people.
Or make calls to action for others to kill someone.
Government officials or civilians...
How is that for an idea?
I never understood why people think its ok to be so damn toxic just because they are on the internet.
Celebrity: "Im getting death threats"
The death threats: "die lol"
([...]" and you tough you cpuld challenge him? ....... in minectaft!")
Holy fuck that one was fucling funny
I wish they would start arresting more people who made these threats. We could clean up the internet of criminals
Saying "in minecraft" is like saying the phrase "Not that I'm racist or anything" before saying something racist
10:56
Lmfao I’ve met Mike and seeing asmon talk about him like that is hilarious he’s a sweetheart
I got a comms ban for saying "let's go Brandon"
I would love to see someone saying "in minecraft" as a defense when they go to court for some stupid stuff they do.
Weren't two kids arrested for terrorism in Russia or somewhere for building a government office in Minecraft and blowing it up?
@@sujanaryal833 No, that was the news story. The kids in question are literally terrorists who happened to also play video games inbetween building weapons in the garage.
In Minecraft isn't a legal defense but it keeps social media platforms (like twitch) from banning you sometimes
You are also conflating a private company banning you and the POLICE investigating AND ALSO having literal charges put against you.
"You gonna play these fucking games, you gonna win some prizes!" Oh, I'm gonna use that quote at work.
People used to be arrested for this in the 90s and early 2000s
Just wanna say for those wondering the real origin, it's not just some guy on 4Chan, although Know your meme does site this. Pretty sure South Park featured the phrase in an episode where the kids took away true crime from their parents and the parents went to Minecraft to replicate true crime cases. The episode came out in like 2013 or so. Butters or someone had these acts done to him in Minecraft by his dad, and acted pretty traumatized by it and the phrase ", in Minecraft." was used a lot. Often used after describing why Butters is acting this way to Chef.
Example based roughly on the episode scene. "Butters' dad tripped him down a well. Yeah, but in Minecraft."
Just as I roughly remember the scene going but yeah. It's kinda weird seeing how this episode possibly started the whole wave of people using "In a videogame" or using X videogame to describe where the acts take place.
lol if i was that sherrif, id go on that post and reply "challenge accepted....in minecraft"
"Hate Crime", even at the conceptual level, is in and of itself, an abject violation of the 14th amendment in that hate crime laws provide legal protections to _some_ people, which are not extended to others. Quoting the exact text: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; *nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.*
Hate crime laws should really be reviewed by the Supreme Court I really don’t believe it’s reasonable for racism to be a valid intent to punish more severely
Government nerfing the cheat codes
man this sounds like some police state stuff...dang
Burning a cross on someone's lawn would be a case of hate littering. Throwing a brick through a window is potential assault and littering and a hate crime.
What if I say I'm going to kill your chickens?... in Minecraft.
As a sheriff this is a lame show of force. Making examples out of people is not intimidating it’s just petty
The guy will walk. He's not able to carry out the threat nor would he ever be. It is also very easy to ridicule everything he says on the internet especially in front of jury that will consist of people that are not zoomers
Man those cops just let themselves in on that poor woman.
I don't think any adult thought it would save you legally. I thought the idea was you'd say it to give the platform plausible deniability and maybe that would save them from banning you.
The issue is one part of something to be assault (the threat of violence) is it has to be a credable threat. Meaning Means, ability etc. No Prosecuter would touch the girl threating Hassan. Also in most cases the victim has to want to press charges, which is more common than "the police didnt care."
Adding on to that that "law" only applies to that county.
@@SCP_Gate-Guardian ok? Well seeing as the US has some of the loosest laws on such, if adopted here, the other nations would adopt it quickly if they already dont have one.
I thought this was common knowledge that saying in Minecraft was a joke.
Threatening? I think you mean incitement. And there are supreme court rulings on it. You need to educate yourself
Damn that's annoying, I love committing crimes. In minecraft.
A call to commit a crime has and should always be a crime. You cannot tell someone else to commit a crime.
Suicide is not a crime, and therefore telling someone to "KYS" is not a crime. Just rude.
"Hate crimes" however are dumb because they're subjective, based on how someone else reacts or want to react.
Disagree with Asmongold. Definitely an abuse of power by a loser sheriff.
"Hate Crime" is what we have in the UK, Look at someone wrong on the street? Straight to court, you are nicked son.
Call someone an idiot but they're a protected group? Straight to court hope you enjoy prison.
Get someone's gender wrong because they don't have their pronouns on a namecard on their chest? I do hope you enjoy the years in prison, you're going to be there a long time.
A hate crime is just a thought crime.
the state is not your friend, you need to fight against these laws or you'll have no freedom to speak.
Control what people can say and you control what people think.
You see, I once got away with a crime......in Minecraft. Granted, the crime is only illegal if you're in Canada.
Anyone who has ever used this defense like this was not only threatening someone's life, but was also calling everyone else stupid at the same time.
No reasonable person would think this is anything remotely resembling a legit defense in this context.
Just preemptive the "in Minecraft" before the phrase and you're good to go
Florida is wildin. Coming up with crazy laws lately
A "call to action" against an individual is not legally recognized as free-speech.
Asmon looks like Laurence Fishburne in John Wick, with his fancy robe and palace of trash.
Asmon trashes the in Minecraft thing but I've seen many of his twitch friends say offensive things and end it with the phrase!
Every power tripping cop needs a ballistic solution. Hopefully chitwood gets his soon.
He fucked around at a level of 7, he found out at a level of 7.
The only legal thing to say is that "I am going to kill a roach". And you'd better be pointing at a roach.
They fucking arrested Hagrid
At the end of the day all the sheriff did was virtue signal. The only reason they went after the troll was because the sheriff is on the "Important people" list. Nothing of value is going to come out of this.
So if I flip it around, "In game, I would (insert statement)". Would that work?
The Minecraft I thought was away to say just kidding. I did not know people were serious XD