43:00 What Oko just did is disgusting, I think that's the perfect power for a 3 mana planeswalker level for vintage, can't imagine how op he was in non-vintage formats.
I sometimes wonder if, in some strange universe where Atraxa got printed years ago, Brian Kelly would still have convinced himself Inferno Titan was the best creature in Magic to put in his Oath deck.
Why do so many Vintage players say Jewel is a fundamentally bad deck? Is it just too high variance, unreliable? Too much of a glass cannon with a low blue count?
Like, maybe it's just because it gets hit by all the artifact hate already present, while also not being deterministic, and not having much of a side plan?
it's extremely fragile - it 100% folds to null rod and similar hate, and basically only has force to stop that hate from resolving. plus, its not very disruptive - basically just force, one trinisphere, and maybe karn (depending on the matchup) to try and stop your opponent's game plan
Glass cannon with low blue count is it. It’s like 1 step above Belcher/Oops All Spells in that it has a little interactivity and staying power but is mostly just jamming and hoping regardless of what your opponent does or has.
It's wild to me that you can have a format where decks are full of one-ofs and ultra-busted high variance cards like Black Lotus, and yet a deck + player pairing can be so consistent that Bosh rattles off a 5-0 trophy league basically every time he plays Oath on the channel.
The thing about ultra busted high variances is high power can and will be used to sprint in the a losing direction quicker then lower power and simpler formats, and when you have huge variance in gamestates skill matters a lot in identifying and navigating gamestates
I was Op last round. had 2 flusters in hand and looking back i was supposed to burn one to force the crack of lotus to pay for it or use FON. Ive had a tough time against this deck in general. GGs.
might come up later on but grafdigger's cage doesn't actually stop tinker at all, unless of course you're finding a creature from it. It only cares about creatures entering from library not artifacts so Bolas's Citadel is fine but Sphinx is not just something you had mentioned in round four and thought i would mention it, it came up in my own games and realized it then
that was a tech piece that most top level players have cut because atraxa is good enough to end the game on its own. you dont need to recycle cards when you just have a 7:7 in play and win in 3 turns with force backup
Has anyone that you know of tried a surveil land in vintage yet? Seems like it would've been good in the last round when you fetched to thin but maybe that doesn't come up enough?
That comes up so rarely in a format that plays 11-14 lands in the average deck. Might be fine in something slower, but I have a hard time imagining that being worth the squeeze in this format.
Portal seems so mid. Is it just for init? I’ve done most of my vintage gaming locally and online so I don’t face initiative much, but I realize it gets represented pretty well in paper.
Vintage is such a weird format to me. On one hand it absolutely slams combos and fast af win attempts, and on the other it can slow games to a crawl and anctually play slow in spite of the insanity allowed. It is just crazy to think that control decks can and will be top of meta with the busto cards available to the format. You can literally play anything, and that leads to some absurd wins, but somehow there are still decks that can win with small mid creature beatdown and just stopping the opponent.
Typical Vintage Game, version 1: Player A makes his move, Player B Forces the critical card, but Player A Forces back. The critical card resolves and the game is functionally over. Typical Vintage Game, version 2: Player A stops Player B from resolving a spell. Player B answers Player A's threat. A topdecked bomb is Forced. The players have run out of gas and the next several turns is a slap fight between a couple of 2/2 creatures.
Wizards bans cards whenever the insane combo decks get a little too strong. They also ban cads when the turn 1 lock decks start getting too strong, so that there's always that bit of variety and play in the format that keeps it interesting.
It was a misclick based on the way Atraxa piles are displayed on mtgo. I even counted Oko as a green card out loud when deciding if I want Atraxa. Shit happens. 🤷🏻♂️
Tell me what to cut for it and explain the gains and losses of that decision to the overall deck. Saying the name of a card isn't constructive deck building. It was already agonizing to find room for the Null Rod. What's the next cut?
Bosh said “you play artifact mana because you have to, I can artifact mana because I can. We are not the same”
The thing about putting a brick in your main deck is that sometimes you get to whack your opponent's noggin with it.
I must steal this saying 🤣
43:00 What Oko just did is disgusting, I think that's the perfect power for a 3 mana planeswalker level for vintage, can't imagine how op he was in non-vintage formats.
You better not draft OTJ then lolol
@@poultrylord7300 Was he an auto win the moment he enters the play?
@@nooneatall5612 exactly, in every game he's shows up in drafts. It's a huge tempo swing no matter what ya do.
@@nooneatall5612no, but if it comes down early and you don't have a strong boardstate, it'll take over.
you should see the end of round 4 then lol
Bosh pack time let's go!! This is the perfect follow up to the 1-10 train wreck mill league from yesterday.
that was as painful looking as lieutenant worf going through the rite of ascension ceremony with those pain sticks.
8:38 hearing Brian say waffle stomp was a mental flashbang
I would watch an infinite amount of oath leagues, I'm in love
I sometimes wonder if, in some strange universe where Atraxa got printed years ago, Brian Kelly would still have convinced himself Inferno Titan was the best creature in Magic to put in his Oath deck.
or dragonlord dromoka
"Root Maze is an inside-out mana dork."
This absolute nonsense actually makes a lot of sense.
Crazy like a fox
1:06:05 Elk Lotus beatdown, just the way Garfield intended
i'm sure he is proud lol
Null Rod has a top 5 flavor text, imho.
Agreed
For most cards, flavor text doesn't do anything.
For Null Rod...
Oath was my favorite deck in Legacy when it was legal so I love to see this!
Fastest click in the dojo
Oko is why this deck is awesome!
Busted on multiple levels.
As always, excellent and enjoyable content. Keep up the good work! 👍
11:11:25 You could cast Oko, but Bolas's Citadel could do anything! It could even cast an Oko!
I am a simple man, I see Oath of Druids, I watch the video.
Ruthless league. Every time i see this oath deck im shocked more people arent on it, it brutalizes everything you run into
Round 1 vs Absorbentthree LOL
On match 1 game 2 you may take mystical tutor, cast mystical before get time walk and draw in your draw phase ;)
Why do so many Vintage players say Jewel is a fundamentally bad deck? Is it just too high variance, unreliable? Too much of a glass cannon with a low blue count?
Yea, if I had to guess I'd say it's the nondeterminism, but I'm not sure. Partially commenting to see if someone with actual reps answers.
Like, maybe it's just because it gets hit by all the artifact hate already present, while also not being deterministic, and not having much of a side plan?
it's extremely fragile - it 100% folds to null rod and similar hate, and basically only has force to stop that hate from resolving. plus, its not very disruptive - basically just force, one trinisphere, and maybe karn (depending on the matchup) to try and stop your opponent's game plan
Glass cannon with low blue count is it. It’s like 1 step above Belcher/Oops All Spells in that it has a little interactivity and staying power but is mostly just jamming and hoping regardless of what your opponent does or has.
@jacefairis1289 I'm curious then why it's popular in the format. What about the deck justifies it's play given its litany of issues
It's wild to me that you can have a format where decks are full of one-ofs and ultra-busted high variance cards like Black Lotus, and yet a deck + player pairing can be so consistent that Bosh rattles off a 5-0 trophy league basically every time he plays Oath on the channel.
The thing about ultra busted high variances is high power can and will be used to sprint in the a losing direction quicker then lower power and simpler formats, and when you have huge variance in gamestates skill matters a lot in identifying and navigating gamestates
AHHH MY ROD! ITS TOTALLY NULL
I was Op last round. had 2 flusters in hand and looking back i was supposed to burn one to force the crack of lotus to pay for it or use FON. Ive had a tough time against this deck in general. GGs.
ngl that first game punt was hilarious
I am happy that the Legacy mill deck sucked out the bads. 😂
While preparing my vintage cube for Friday I realized I'm missing my Oath
21:01 There's also Sphinx of the Steel Wind.
"They could put in a Bolas' Citadel"
Um excuse you Absorbentthree would never do something so heinous. They're an honest player
Algorithm boost for vintage!
Match1: See Absorbentthree. Gonna be a banger.
Game 2 Going to 8 dicey, you're not playing around Minsc and Boo throw with pyroblast backup
might come up later on but grafdigger's cage doesn't actually stop tinker at all, unless of course you're finding a creature from it. It only cares about creatures entering from library not artifacts so Bolas's Citadel is fine but Sphinx is not
just something you had mentioned in round four and thought i would mention it, it came up in my own games and realized it then
Sure you can get Citadel, but you can’t cast any spells with it.
You should try to slip in 2 gaeas blessing it draws card and recycle ♻️ during oath and you are mill proof
that was a tech piece that most top level players have cut because atraxa is good enough to end the game on its own. you dont need to recycle cards when you just have a 7:7 in play and win in 3 turns with force backup
Has anyone that you know of tried a surveil land in vintage yet? Seems like it would've been good in the last round when you fetched to thin but maybe that doesn't come up enough?
That comes up so rarely in a format that plays 11-14 lands in the average deck. Might be fine in something slower, but I have a hard time imagining that being worth the squeeze in this format.
Makes sense, a tapped land is a pretty huge cost in a format this fast.
Most doomsday lists are running one
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Portal seems so mid. Is it just for init? I’ve done most of my vintage gaming locally and online so I don’t face initiative much, but I realize it gets represented pretty well in paper.
It solos Initiative, which is a matchup you can’t Citadel and Sphinx sucks.
Hi CADYstrophic
Siiiick trophy!!!
Vintage is such a weird format to me. On one hand it absolutely slams combos and fast af win attempts, and on the other it can slow games to a crawl and anctually play slow in spite of the insanity allowed. It is just crazy to think that control decks can and will be top of meta with the busto cards available to the format. You can literally play anything, and that leads to some absurd wins, but somehow there are still decks that can win with small mid creature beatdown and just stopping the opponent.
Typical Vintage Game, version 1: Player A makes his move, Player B Forces the critical card, but Player A Forces back. The critical card resolves and the game is functionally over.
Typical Vintage Game, version 2: Player A stops Player B from resolving a spell. Player B answers Player A's threat. A topdecked bomb is Forced. The players have run out of gas and the next several turns is a slap fight between a couple of 2/2 creatures.
Wizards bans cards whenever the insane combo decks get a little too strong. They also ban cads when the turn 1 lock decks start getting too strong, so that there's always that bit of variety and play in the format that keeps it interesting.
HI CADYSTROPHIC
Hello CATYstrophic
1:19:25
Oko
Oko is right there
Oko is literally right there.
You didn't take Oko
o.o
It was a misclick based on the way Atraxa piles are displayed on mtgo. I even counted Oko as a green card out loud when deciding if I want Atraxa. Shit happens. 🤷🏻♂️
@@BoshNRoll Ouchhh
You still won so it didn't matter but it was very sadness.
Is the title card AI?
You mean the video thumbnail? No, I make those myself.
Aw, spoiled by the thumbnails today. But hoboy this gonna be a banger. Love some vintage content!
Yawg Will
Tell me what to cut for it and explain the gains and losses of that decision to the overall deck. Saying the name of a card isn't constructive deck building. It was already agonizing to find room for the Null Rod. What's the next cut?
@@BoshNRollwood elemental
@@BoshNRollMaro
bosh pack smoke em if you got em baby
I have no idea what this means, is this some kind of idiom that I'm to young to have ever heard?
@@piercearora7681 it means go with god young man and smoke em if you got em