@@brit50ify You need 15-100mW/cm2 dose at the cell for PBM of the mitochondria and over 250mW/cm2 for pain blocking of small nerve cells. So 1-2% of 10W is 100-200mW. As long as that is focused on 1-2cm2 it should be ok as long as you dont overheat surface or want deeper penetration.
@@brit50ify focus on the nanometers aka wavelengths. They determine the penetration while watts determine the speed of at which the light is beaming out not the actual light strength
These guys haven't done their research. 850 nanometers is proven to penetrate the farthest through water, up to 22 cm into the body. I was using 850 nanometer near infrared on the back of my neck and it brought out a low-lying infection in my mouth, which it then resolved. so, I know it works. I'm very disappointed because there are other studies that show using 850 nanometer on the head and the increase blood flow with imaging. I don't know where these guys got their licenses from but they're still practicing.
Gentlemen, while I very much laud your contribution in presenting supporting papers on NILT effects in TBI and the brain; your video presentation appears somewhat misleading. It does not make clear that you were not comparing low powered NIR laser penetration vs. higher powered NIR laser penetration which is a question asked by many clinicians who do not understand lasers, wavelength, penetration, and the importance of target tissue fluence (J/cm2). By comparing low powered LED to high (relative) powered laser penetration you have simply muddied the water. It is well accepted by knowledgeable clinicians that LEDs in the NIR range are only suitable for shallow lesions in a clinical setting. The power of a laser (watts or J*second/cm2)) simply expresses the amount of energy the laser releases per unit of time. The wattage, and available peak wattage in pulsing mode, are relevant only to the time it takes to deliver a therapeutic fluence to a deeper tissue such as the brain. Lowered powered NIR lasers are capable of reaching the therapeutic tissue fluence, albeit requiring longer irradiance due to the decrease power density. This could have great significance in a busy clinical setting but doesn’t directly address NILT effects in the brain. Additionally, two other points on your papers and presentation need mentioning. It concerns appropriate fluence for neurological benefit and wavelength for both biophotostimulation and penetration. In regards to fluence, most knowledgeable NIR researchers, including authors referenced in your paper and the NEST-1 study, express peak biological response is achieved with a fluence around 1.2 joules/cm2. Furthermore, biological response decreases as fluence reaches around 10 J/cm2 (Kuru). I would submit that studies claiming therapeutic benefit from high J/cm2 target tissue fluence are really reporting collateral tissue response; especially considering they were probably calculating ‘fluence’ based on a Gaussian energy delivery profile. Regarding wavelength, the clear winner for biophotostimulation in neurologic tissue is the low 800 spectrum. Penetration is also superior. Based on optical density calculation 810nm has 25 more times throughput than 980nm. Therefore, superior penetration is not function of the power in Watts of a laser as you allude to. Given enough time even a ‘low power’ NIR LED can deliver enough fluence transcranially for therapeutic benefit as reported with overnight use of multiple LED headsets in chronic TBI. Laser diodes over 500mW when used in continuous mode have the “ouch factor” as you know. Pulsing or ‘super pulsing’ avoids this through employing momentary high power spikes but the overall energy is often very low in the sub 100mW range. Since a joule is unit of energy measurement, what you were measuring was not penetration but rather how rapidly a super pulsed high power NIR laser could achieve therapeutic fluence (J/cm2.) I have effectively employed a Chattanooga unit 1W (5x200mW 850nm array) as well as a K-Laser Cube 4 using just 5W 800nm laser to treat post TBI patients with equal efficacy. The main difference was the time required to reach therapeutic fluence. In a clinical setting I prefer the higher power unit but clinicians should understand it is not required. What is important is an understanding of the individual laser unit’s specifications that they will be using. Therefore, the significance of your video abstract could be restated as “Efficiency of super pulsed Class IV NIR lasers for therapeutic treatment in TBI.”
Daniel Bourassa, DC PhD Daniel, are you saying that laser therapy in the low hundreds mW/cm2 could still penetrate scalp/tissue and brain? I have recently read the authors of this videos work online, and took from it that anything other than a 10W> laser would have virtually no therapeutic value. It would be worthwhile a similar study of the effectiveness of higher powered led’s 800-850nm range on tissue and skull(s).
Thank you is very interesting. I use red infrared led lights (non laser,)630 to 880 range at 100Watts for boosting skin metabolism and slow down ageing. I saw that it can fully penetrate through my cheeks. I wander if using a similar device non laser at 300,watts or more can help contrast memory loss. I have a cask with laser lights at ,630 red light nanometres with 120 light bulb diodes to stop hair loss. I was a little sceptical when I brought it but now after 10 months of use I am delighted to say that it does diminish hair loss. It is a cheap brand from China but it delivered what it promises. It does become hot and I need to let it cool down several times but I am delighted!
Quick question for you Daniel, in your opinion are the laser gun thermometers being used today September 2020 potentially damaging do the brain as a whole or in particular the pineal gland?
So in your study, a 10W light couldn't penetrate more than a couple millimeters (3:24.) But in the study mentioned at 7:04, a 1W light penetrated to 2.5 cm? I don't get it.
It demonstrates that low-powered NIR LED lights are very efficiently absorbed by the skin and the first millimeters of flesh... So no need for high-powered lamps... The health benefits of NIR derive from the absorption of energy on the first layers of skin.
One company is shining a NIR light up the nose to reach the dopamine cells to help Parkinson's disease sufferers. So I'm wondering if NIR could help people with Post SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD) and have no sex drive. This is a terrible condition which makes life a complete bore. It's considered to be dopamine related. This might be worth researching, Theodore
Very interesting presentation. What about near infrared therapy through non-LED or laser treatment, such as 250 watt infrared heat lamps used in near infrared sauna therapy? Has this been shown to affect traumatic brain injury? And does any near infrared therapy affect older TBI injuries? Thanks to those who are able to respond to this. Your thoughts here are greatly appreciated.
This is GREAT question and one I was going to ask as well. I own a 250w near infrared bulb and use it frequently. I definitely wanna know the depths of which its penetrating. Based on an old TH-cam video I saw, it appears to. th-cam.com/video/nWHMLhE0tm8/w-d-xo.html, And these crazy guys, th-cam.com/video/xVeFlKOTxVg/w-d-xo.html. Hope this offers more info for you!
You are looking for the low end of the frequency range of IR. One research elsewhere was saying the high frequencies of IR can indeed cause damage. NIR borders between the Visible and IR spectrums, closer to IR. From what I understand about it anyway.
If you read my other reply they had no idea what they were talking about. Yes you could use a 250 watt IR therapy bulb for a TBI but be careful. Use a fan to keep your head cooler. If your head gets hot even without it feeling hot enough to burn over time you can end up with “Erythema ab igne” you can get it over time even if you are under the threshold of feeling like the light is burning you, google images of it. You can also put on 50-100 sunscreen and get out in the sun. See this video th-cam.com/video/5YV_iKnzDRg/w-d-xo.html
@@alexxdaye1 Sorry I missed your reply. Dr. Lawrence Wilson mentioned in his sauna book that, according to NASA studies, near infrared heat lamps penetrate about 4" into the body. This seems crazy since these guys here are talking in mm not inches but I'm not sure how this applies to the skull. I've recently seen more recent info relating to LED red light therapy through the use of a designed helmet that penetrates to the center of the brain.
@@stormrunner0029 Still trying to figure this out. A recent video on red light therapy said something about wavelength ranges of 600-750, and 1000 or so being safe, but between this was unsafe. Something to look into I think. But I'm still trying to see how to apply this to the red heat lamps used in my diy portable sauna using 3, 250 watt bulbs designed according to the instructions in Dr Lawrence Wilson's sauna book.
I can buy a 10W 850nm laser torch which is powered by two 1.5v AA batteries. But P= VxI, and P/V= I, so 10/3 = 3.33 amps. Well, no AA battery can supply that, so what do they mean when they say the torch is 10W?
These guys are clueless or are full of it. LED’s with the same photon’s of output can put out the same total energy as a laser. The laser just has a tighter collimated beam tricking the “spot”sensor they use to show more energy. They are measuring and comparing a highly “collimated” laser beam that still holds a tight beam through tissues but they are not measuring the total energy of the LED as the light is not a collimated beam it’s spreading out to many points. They just measure with a sensor like one that measures lux but they need a photometric integrating sphere to measure the total energy of LED at depth as it’s more like a flood light. This is like the difference of measuring lux and lumens. Lux is used to measure the amount of light output in a given area. The lumen is the SI derived unit of luminous flux, a measure of the total quantity of visible light emitted by a source per unit of time. The LED still penetrates just as far but less energy at the point sensor as it’s spread out more (think of a 10watt spot light and a 10watt flood light. Both are putting out about the same total amount of light. Also why are these newbs using a 980nm laser??? Duh!!! Water’s absorption coefficient at 980 nm is 0.482 cm−1 and is used for laser ablation systems (cooking anything with water in it because 980nm is the peak wavelength where light is absorbed by water. So you have massive laser excitation of the water causing it to cook the area the laser is hitting more so compared to any other frequency. It’s the worst frequency they could of picked. They should have used the 800nm-850nm range and now we know 1064nm lasers and 1072nm LEDs would have the most penetration depths. Regardless science has already proven these guys were on the wrong track.
What about administration through the nose or ears? According to Michael Hamblin from a recent HumanOS podcast, the effects of light need not penetrate deeply.. instead there could be downstream effects that are caused when the skin's photo receptors (chromophores) in the mitrochdria (Electron-Transport-Chain's Complex IV (Cytochrome c-oxidase)) are exposed to light. Similarly, if water is also a photo-receptor, then light may also be have a role in making structured quasi-crystalline exclusion zone (EZ) water.. which is thought to open ion channels leading to higher cellular calcium levels. BTW, Lumithera's Valeda used 3min/day for 2 weeks seemed to help those older with Dry-AMD. Supposedly, red-light may help with melatonin production.
Can you please share where you saw this?. My brain is deteriorating fast and I need to try this before I can't understand what I read or listen to. Thank you ✌️
Trying to find research because I am an Army veteran with TBI and spine injuries and I started tanning this summer for the first time ever and they got me to sign up for the deal with red light as well and now I recently stopped tanning and just do red light for 15 minutes every day. I noticed that when I am in there I will be wide awake and then suddenly it is like I am waking up and I get a rush of euphoria for a few seconds and it happens over and over. It seems like something that could be dangerous because I definitely never have that feeling when I am just tired and nod out for a second and it happens suddenly when I don't feel tired. I had read a lot saying there is no harm in the treatment so now I am wondering if it is happening because of the healing process and I'm just wondering what it is actually doing to my brain and also if I can get the VA to pay for it cause it's like $50 a month. ^^
Is it possible to use one of these helmets at home ? If so , is there a specific make ,model or place to purchase these red light helmets for home use ?
Clearly, Vielight has proven that low level near infrared light applied to the skull can penetrate the bone of the skull to a sufficient level that creates clinical efficacy in the treatment of TBI.
Yes.... the sun emits a broad spectrum of wavelengths including those beneficial in the 830 to 1000 nanometer range at energy levels sufficient for therapeutic purposes.
Can anyone suggest a commercial device/product for emittiing IR that would penetrate deep enough to have any actual positive impact on the brain functioning?
I'm pretty sure these guys know what they are talking about, but I don't know what they're talking about. Look, you got a brain, you got a red light source, this is what you need from the red light source to affect the brain positively. KISS: Keep it simple, Simon.
After how many treatments was a difference noticed? I have done the infrared treatment on my hands for psoriasis and it helped heal most of the skin then I stopped treatment and the rest didn’t improve .
Sometimes it's best to get to the actual cause of psoriasis. After doing a full elimination diet through primarily water-only fasting for 21 days my psoriasis cleared up and only comes back when I introduce grains of any kind. Prior to the fast I tried eliminating gluten/grains for up to 6 weeks with no benefits so I assumed gluten wasn't the problem. But I was likely continuing to react to other dietary inclusions so nothing was noticed when I only eliminated the grains. Since my fast I've been on a restricted diet that's heavy carnivore. But this is allowing me to discover my sensitivities since I react almost immediately to different substances like grains, potatoes, tomatoes (nightshades) even most cheeses like Cheddar, munster, mozzarella yet I'm fine with gouda, go figure. I can only introduce a new food about once a week. This has been very enlightening. I wonder if by clearing up the psoriasis through infrared are you simply driving the inflammation that expressed through your psoriasis to another organ? Just something to consider.
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My cousin had a severe TBI. She was hit by a car. Is there any therapy that you discovered is very beneficial. Would buying a red light helmet help a lot? How do you go about finding a good device? What are the effects that people have when using it?
D. Swoop.....How did you pay for all that HBOT? I was under the impression insurance didn’t cover it. And if you pay for it out of pocket it must’ve been over ten thousand dollars? Or did you buy or rent your own home unit? In the United States I know if you are disabled and on Medicare/Medicaid like I am it wouldn’t cover HBOT....only for very specific purposes like diabetic gangrene and some others, but definitely NOT traumatic brain injury. In other countries they do make HBOT more widely available for people with brain injury. But not here. Here they only give you psychiatric drugs which GIVE you brain damage, like they did me, and after your brain is destroyed they don’t offer you any treatment to reverse the damage. That’s my story. Big Pharma rules everything here. And the insurance companies cater to big Pharma and only pay for neurotoxic psychiatric drugs which destroy your brain. By the same token I don’t know of any insurance in this country, even private insurance other than Medicare and Medicaid, which will even pay for LLLT or neurofeedback for example. Like I said, they’re only willing to pay for psychiatric drugs which destroy your brain and then when the damage is done they basically tell you “tough sh*t... Live with it.” So again, I am wondering how you managed all that HBO T. You’re either very wealthy or you found some way to beat the system? Why don’t you tell us so we can utilize your methodology? You’d be doing society a big favor. There’s a lot of brain damage out there. A lot of people with ruined lives because of it 1 second ago
@@Mark-bw1wx yeah your right pharmacy is against hyperbarics especially for anything related to brain. Even tbi they wanna just have you on stimulants or anti depressants which isn't addressing healing the brain. But they love the monthly income from that and regular dr visits. So I lucked out I'm not rich I was a janitor. There was a research grant studying hbot and I lucked out to be a patient with that research. If I had to recommend to others is rent your own home and research the safety for it anti static clothing etc. Id love to buy my own unit it's what I really want. The other thing is write senators and congressmen I wanna say oklahoma tried getting it so medical insurance would accept but pharmaceutical shut it down. I just heard that so don't have sources.
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I bought a Beurer 300W lamp which has a range of 500 nm to 2500nm - primarily 1250nm - to treat my generalised anxiety disorder. At 30cm it is said to be 480W /m², but I go closer and its warm but I'm fine with it. I do a 15 minute session once a day. What do you reckon, am I in with a chance?
They said on Tinnitus Talk to buy it from eBay. Get a non laser standard 20W LED. All you have to do is put a heat sink on it, and then use a power a 0v - 30 power supply. They also make special drivers for them. When I did it before I used a dual power supply. eBay 20W LED: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10W-20W-30W-50W-100W-730NM-850NM-940NM-Infrared-IR-High-Power-LED-Light-Lamp/372034536596?hash=item569efc8494:m:m1BRhbcI4F1EVFzr0mEy0Vg.
What I understand is the near is invisible and no heat but the medium to far red light which is higher on the spectrum has heat. Ultra Violet is invisible but opposite of the wave spectrum. The NIR is low and healing the Ultra Violet is high and damaging.
Can anyone answer this question for me. Would the irestore professional, who is a red light / infrared light helmet that is used to regrow hair, work? It sounds like it could do some of the stuff this video is taking about since it has similar lazers. Any insights anyone?
Vineet Wankhede I bought the vielight which is a 13.5 watt 810nm LED but it goes inside the nose so it’s supposed to get up in there better. I wish I could afford a 60watt 810nm laser but sadly I can’t. How much did yours cost? Mine was 500$
Everybody has to sell you something. 😔 Please let me know when all these research-energy will be indiscriminatory for the good of all. & Even better: When respect for Earth might return and practices of human kind will halt all demages and therefor these technologies will not be found neccessary to come into existence. What about those kinds of Research? Thank you very much! P.S. Please, Don't shoot the messenger! 🤗💞
@@ThatOne5 M can buy in my country only the IR lamp with 1200 nanometers BUT WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY to modulate (change) the wavelenght. My question is "can i use it for all the organs, brain, heart, lungs, kidneys, face for wrinkles? THANKS
I have a question that I’m having trouble getting an answer to. I’m 64 and I have Parkinson’s disease.,several years ago I had DBS surgery. This had workeded great on the tremors but now I have dystonia mostly in my right foot. Is near infrared safe for me to use. I could benefit in so many ways.
A probiotic strain of the bacteria Bacillus subtilis called PXN21 can prevent the buildup of the protein alpha-synuclein - one of the hallmarks of Parkinson's disease - in the round worm C. elegans, researchers reports.
Hi everyone , my wife and my father suffer from neuroe diseasee. Can you please let me know if 5 watt led light is equal to 5 watt laser light. I calculated that my panel is 720 wats ans has 144 led lights, mito light panel....does that do anything or should i find a laser panel?
@@martbook guess I'm thinking of my Vielight unit which is laser photobiomodulation which hurts my eyes if I look at it because it's too bright. I'm sure the intensity of the light/laser must be what matters.
Turtle Henderson I didn’t exactly understand this. Maybe you can explain...what power laser works for human brain injury and who sells it? I’m dealing with concussion symptoms
@@mikeb769 Do a search on Google. I have read very promising results in studies, last one was done in Brazil this year. If you can afford it, buy it. Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury, been out of work for 10 years, but I am trying to figure out if a cheaper laser can work. It is hard to do with my foggy brain. Good luck to you, and Happy holidays!.✌️
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It is the wavelength that determines how deep a light photon goes. The number of Watts determines how many light photons enter.
How many photons are necessary to do any good? They say only 1-2% gets to 2cms at 10W and less than 1% at less wattage.. Is this enough?
@@brit50ify You need 15-100mW/cm2 dose at the cell for PBM of the mitochondria and over 250mW/cm2 for pain blocking of small nerve cells. So 1-2% of 10W is 100-200mW. As long as that is focused on 1-2cm2 it should be ok as long as you dont overheat surface or want deeper penetration.
Also research shows that the cerebullar fluid acts as a wave guide so the light actually will be directed deeper.
@@brit50ify focus on the nanometers aka wavelengths. They determine the penetration while watts determine the speed of at which the light is beaming out not the actual light strength
@@The_DropTV Thanks
These guys haven't done their research. 850 nanometers is proven to penetrate the farthest through water, up to 22 cm into the body. I was using 850 nanometer near infrared on the back of my neck and it brought out a low-lying infection in my mouth, which it then resolved. so, I know it works. I'm very disappointed because there are other studies that show using 850 nanometer on the head and the increase blood flow with imaging. I don't know where these guys got their licenses from but they're still practicing.
How strong was the light and from what kind of the device?
Gentlemen, while I very much laud your contribution in presenting supporting papers on NILT effects in TBI and the brain; your video presentation appears somewhat misleading. It does not make clear that you were not comparing low powered NIR laser penetration vs. higher powered NIR laser penetration which is a question asked by many clinicians who do not understand lasers,
wavelength, penetration, and the importance of target tissue fluence (J/cm2). By comparing low powered LED to high
(relative) powered laser penetration you have simply muddied the water.
It is well accepted by knowledgeable clinicians that LEDs in the NIR range are only suitable for shallow lesions in a clinical setting. The power of a laser (watts or J*second/cm2)) simply expresses the amount of energy the laser releases per unit of time. The wattage, and available peak wattage in pulsing mode, are relevant only to the time it takes to deliver a therapeutic fluence to a deeper tissue such as the brain. Lowered powered NIR lasers are capable of reaching the therapeutic tissue fluence, albeit requiring longer irradiance due to the decrease power density. This could have great significance in a busy clinical setting but doesn’t directly address NILT effects in the brain.
Additionally, two other points on your papers and presentation need mentioning. It concerns appropriate fluence for neurological benefit and wavelength for both biophotostimulation and penetration. In regards to fluence, most knowledgeable NIR researchers, including authors referenced in your paper and the NEST-1 study, express peak biological response is achieved with a fluence around 1.2 joules/cm2. Furthermore, biological response decreases as
fluence reaches around 10 J/cm2 (Kuru). I would submit that studies claiming therapeutic benefit from high J/cm2
target tissue fluence are really reporting collateral tissue response; especially considering they were probably calculating ‘fluence’ based on a Gaussian energy delivery profile.
Regarding wavelength, the clear winner for biophotostimulation in neurologic tissue is the low 800 spectrum. Penetration is also superior. Based on optical density calculation 810nm has 25 more times throughput than 980nm. Therefore, superior penetration is not function of the power in Watts of a laser as you allude to. Given enough time even a ‘low power’ NIR LED can deliver enough fluence transcranially for therapeutic benefit as reported with overnight use of multiple LED headsets in chronic TBI.
Laser diodes over 500mW when used in continuous mode have the “ouch factor” as you know. Pulsing or ‘super pulsing’ avoids this through employing momentary high power spikes but the overall energy is often very low in the sub 100mW range. Since a joule is unit of energy measurement, what you were measuring was not penetration but rather how rapidly a super pulsed high power NIR laser could achieve therapeutic fluence (J/cm2.)
I have effectively employed a Chattanooga unit 1W (5x200mW 850nm array) as well as a K-Laser Cube 4 using just 5W 800nm laser to treat post TBI patients with equal efficacy. The main difference was the time required to reach therapeutic fluence. In a clinical setting I prefer the higher power unit but clinicians should understand it is not required. What is important is an understanding of the individual laser unit’s specifications that they will be using. Therefore, the significance of your video abstract could be restated as “Efficiency of super pulsed Class IV NIR lasers for therapeutic treatment in TBI.”
I am curious. How many joules do you apply on each spot? 5w output is a lot.
i did not know about the penetration of 808 compared to 980. Thank you.
Very useful precisions. Thank you!
Daniel Bourassa, DC PhD Daniel, are you saying that laser therapy in the low hundreds mW/cm2 could still penetrate scalp/tissue and brain? I have recently read the authors of this videos work online, and took from it that anything other than a 10W> laser would have virtually no therapeutic value. It would be worthwhile a similar study of the effectiveness of higher powered led’s 800-850nm range on tissue and skull(s).
Thank you is very interesting. I use red infrared led lights (non laser,)630 to 880 range at 100Watts for boosting skin metabolism and slow down ageing. I saw that it can fully penetrate through my cheeks. I wander if using a similar device non laser at 300,watts or more can help contrast memory loss.
I have a cask with laser lights at ,630 red light nanometres with 120 light bulb diodes to stop hair loss. I was a little sceptical when I brought it but now after 10 months of use I am delighted to say that it does diminish hair loss. It is a cheap brand from China but it delivered what it promises. It does become hot and I need to let it cool down several times but I am delighted!
Quick question for you Daniel, in your opinion are the laser gun thermometers being used today September 2020 potentially damaging do the brain as a whole or in particular the pineal gland?
So in your study, a 10W light couldn't penetrate more than a couple millimeters (3:24.) But in the study mentioned at 7:04, a 1W light penetrated to 2.5 cm? I don't get it.
It demonstrates that low-powered NIR LED lights are very efficiently absorbed by the skin and the first millimeters of flesh... So no need for high-powered lamps... The health benefits of NIR derive from the absorption of energy on the first layers of skin.
One company is shining a NIR light up the nose to reach the dopamine cells to help Parkinson's disease sufferers. So I'm wondering if NIR could help people with Post SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD) and have no sex drive. This is a terrible condition which makes life a complete bore. It's considered to be dopamine related. This might be worth researching, Theodore
Very interesting presentation.
What about near infrared therapy through non-LED or laser treatment, such as 250 watt infrared heat lamps used in near infrared sauna therapy? Has this been shown to affect traumatic brain injury? And does any near infrared therapy affect older TBI injuries?
Thanks to those who are able to respond to this. Your thoughts here are greatly appreciated.
This is GREAT question and one I was going to ask as well. I own a 250w near infrared bulb and use it frequently. I definitely wanna know the depths of which its penetrating. Based on an old TH-cam video I saw, it appears to. th-cam.com/video/nWHMLhE0tm8/w-d-xo.html, And these crazy guys, th-cam.com/video/xVeFlKOTxVg/w-d-xo.html. Hope this offers more info for you!
You are looking for the low end of the frequency range of IR. One research elsewhere was saying the high frequencies of IR can indeed cause damage. NIR borders between the Visible and IR spectrums, closer to IR. From what I understand about it anyway.
If you read my other reply they had no idea what they were talking about. Yes you could use a 250 watt IR therapy bulb for a TBI but be careful. Use a fan to keep your head cooler. If your head gets hot even without it feeling hot enough to burn over time you can end up with “Erythema ab igne” you can get it over time even if you are under the threshold of feeling like the light is burning you, google images of it. You can also put on 50-100 sunscreen and get out in the sun. See this video th-cam.com/video/5YV_iKnzDRg/w-d-xo.html
@@alexxdaye1 Sorry I missed your reply.
Dr. Lawrence Wilson mentioned in his sauna book that, according to NASA studies, near infrared heat lamps penetrate about 4" into the body. This seems crazy since these guys here are talking in mm not inches but I'm not sure how this applies to the skull. I've recently seen more recent info relating to LED red light therapy through the use of a designed helmet that penetrates to the center of the brain.
@@stormrunner0029 Still trying to figure this out. A recent video on red light therapy said something about wavelength ranges of 600-750, and 1000 or so being safe, but between this was unsafe. Something to look into I think. But I'm still trying to see how to apply this to the red heat lamps used in my diy portable sauna using 3, 250 watt bulbs designed according to the instructions in Dr Lawrence Wilson's sauna book.
Please summaries in ordinary language - Does it work beneficially - Is it safe -can it damage the eyes? cancertommy
To hit the brain aim for 800 nanometers to 1,000 nanometers and anything higher is a plus. FYI nanometers is another term used for wavelengths
What about intra-nasal light therapy?
Infra red light has a whole range of frequencies, not just one frequency.
I can buy a 10W 850nm laser torch which is powered by two 1.5v AA batteries. But P= VxI, and P/V= I, so 10/3 = 3.33 amps. Well, no AA battery can supply that, so what do they mean when they say the torch is 10W?
Interesting presentation , thank you
These guys are clueless or are full of it. LED’s with the same photon’s of output can put out the same total energy as a laser. The laser just has a tighter collimated beam tricking the “spot”sensor they use to show more energy. They are measuring and comparing a highly “collimated” laser beam that still holds a tight beam through tissues but they are not measuring the total energy of the LED as the light is not a collimated beam it’s spreading out to many points. They just measure with a sensor like one that measures lux but they need a photometric integrating sphere to measure the total energy of LED at depth as it’s more like a flood light.
This is like the difference of measuring lux and lumens. Lux is used to measure the amount of light output in a given area. The lumen is the SI derived unit of luminous flux, a measure of the total quantity of visible light emitted by a source per unit of time.
The LED still penetrates just as far but less energy at the point sensor as it’s spread out more (think of a 10watt spot light and a 10watt flood light. Both are putting out about the same total amount of light.
Also why are these newbs using a 980nm laser??? Duh!!! Water’s absorption coefficient at 980 nm is 0.482 cm−1 and is used for laser ablation systems (cooking anything with water in it because 980nm is the peak wavelength where light is absorbed by water. So you have massive laser excitation of the water causing it to cook the area the laser is hitting more so compared to any other frequency. It’s the worst frequency they could of picked. They should have used the 800nm-850nm range and now we know 1064nm lasers and 1072nm LEDs would have the most penetration depths. Regardless science has already proven these guys were on the wrong track.
Because one is a Chiropractor, the other a Psychiatrist. Playing physicists.
What about administration through the nose or ears?
According to Michael Hamblin from a recent HumanOS podcast, the effects of light need not penetrate deeply.. instead there could be downstream effects that are caused when the skin's photo receptors (chromophores) in the mitrochdria (Electron-Transport-Chain's Complex IV (Cytochrome c-oxidase)) are exposed to light. Similarly, if water is also a photo-receptor, then light may also be have a role in making structured quasi-crystalline exclusion zone (EZ) water.. which is thought to open ion channels leading to higher cellular calcium levels.
BTW, Lumithera's Valeda used 3min/day for 2 weeks seemed to help those older with Dry-AMD. Supposedly, red-light may help with melatonin production.
Can you please share where you saw this?. My brain is deteriorating fast and I need to try this before I can't understand what I read or listen to.
Thank you ✌️
@@luyzqint3760Hi, me too ! you are not alone
Trying to find research because I am an Army veteran with TBI and spine injuries and I started tanning this summer for the first time ever and they got me to sign up for the deal with red light as well and now I recently stopped tanning and just do red light for 15 minutes every day. I noticed that when I am in there I will be wide awake and then suddenly it is like I am waking up and I get a rush of euphoria for a few seconds and it happens over and over. It seems like something that could be dangerous because I definitely never have that feeling when I am just tired and nod out for a second and it happens suddenly when I don't feel tired. I had read a lot saying there is no harm in the treatment so now I am wondering if it is happening because of the healing process and I'm just wondering what it is actually doing to my brain and also if I can get the VA to pay for it cause it's like $50 a month. ^^
If it isn't reaching my brain maybe it is just a hormonal reaction, but that would still affect my brain.
How come no one has responded to this question? I am curious as well
This research is over 5yrs old we now have even STRONGER R/NiR lights! This is the strongest light on the market!
"PlatinumLED" 🟥🟥🟥
Are you rated at the va?
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Is it possible to use one of these helmets at home ? If so , is there a specific make ,model or place to purchase these red light helmets for home use ?
Very interesting thank you 👍
Clearly, Vielight has proven that low level near infrared light applied to the skull can penetrate the bone of the skull to a sufficient level that creates clinical efficacy in the treatment of TBI.
They didn’t show anything they just sell their overpriced underpowered lamps.
Do you know if Vielight uses low level laser or just LED bulbs for their devices? Thanks so much
Compare your lasers to sitting in the sun.
Yes.... the sun emits a broad spectrum of wavelengths including those beneficial in the 830 to 1000 nanometer range at energy levels sufficient for therapeutic purposes.
🤔well that tissue was dead from the slaughterhouse. Would light penetrate different through live tissues? warm blood circulation ?
yes
Can anyone suggest a commercial device/product for emittiing IR that would penetrate deep enough to have any actual positive impact on the brain functioning?
The sun..... use the sun.... and it is free.
@@JacquesMare vagy mast !!!
I'm pretty sure these guys know what they are talking about, but I don't know what they're talking about. Look, you got a brain, you got a red light source, this is what you need from the red light source to affect the brain positively. KISS: Keep it simple, Simon.
Or, you could put a red dot on your third eye...
😂 Buck Leather is spot on.
After how many treatments was a difference noticed? I have done the infrared treatment on my hands for psoriasis and it helped heal most of the skin then I stopped treatment and the rest didn’t improve .
Sometimes it's best to get to the actual cause of psoriasis. After doing a full elimination diet through primarily water-only fasting for 21 days my psoriasis cleared up and only comes back when I introduce grains of any kind. Prior to the fast I tried eliminating gluten/grains for up to 6 weeks with no benefits so I assumed gluten wasn't the problem. But I was likely continuing to react to other dietary inclusions so nothing was noticed when I only eliminated the grains.
Since my fast I've been on a restricted diet that's heavy carnivore. But this is allowing me to discover my sensitivities since I react almost immediately to different substances like grains, potatoes, tomatoes (nightshades) even most cheeses like Cheddar, munster, mozzarella yet I'm fine with gouda, go figure. I can only introduce a new food about once a week. This has been very enlightening.
I wonder if by clearing up the psoriasis through infrared are you simply driving the inflammation that expressed through your psoriasis to another organ?
Just something to consider.
@@L.J.01 az imfra negyon hat a borre is meg tobbi szerve is de a dieta helyett tanacsolom az eredeti vitaminokat nem a chemiko szarokat penzkidobas de az agyadat becsapja
@@L.J.01 magok gyumolcs salatak imfra
2:11 600-900 nM
Is there a home laser device that could be used for the brain? any side effect of lighting treatments?
My cousin had a severe TBI. She was hit by a car. Is there any therapy that you discovered is very beneficial. Would buying a red light helmet help a lot? How do you go about finding a good device? What are the effects that people have when using it?
I did hyperbaric oxygen therapy 80x 1 hour sessions it legitimately helped. I seen multiple people go there for tbi definitely look into it for tbi
D. Swoop.....How did you pay for all that HBOT? I was under the impression insurance didn’t cover it. And if you pay for it out of pocket it must’ve been over ten thousand dollars? Or did you buy or rent your own home unit? In the United States I know if you are disabled and on Medicare/Medicaid like I am it wouldn’t cover HBOT....only for very specific purposes like diabetic gangrene and some others, but definitely NOT traumatic brain injury. In other countries they do make HBOT more widely available for people with brain injury. But not here. Here they only give you psychiatric drugs which GIVE you brain damage, like they did me, and after your brain is destroyed they don’t offer you any treatment to reverse the damage. That’s my story. Big Pharma rules everything here. And the insurance companies cater to big Pharma and only pay for neurotoxic psychiatric drugs which destroy your brain. By the same token I don’t know of any insurance in this country, even private insurance other than Medicare and Medicaid, which will even pay for LLLT or neurofeedback for example. Like I said, they’re only willing to pay for psychiatric drugs which destroy your brain and then when the damage is done they basically tell you “tough sh*t... Live with it.” So again, I am wondering how you managed all that HBO T. You’re either very wealthy or you found some way to beat the system? Why don’t you tell us so we can utilize your methodology? You’d be doing society a big favor. There’s a lot of brain damage out there. A lot of people with ruined lives because of it
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@@Mark-bw1wx yeah your right pharmacy is against hyperbarics especially for anything related to brain. Even tbi they wanna just have you on stimulants or anti depressants which isn't addressing healing the brain. But they love the monthly income from that and regular dr visits. So I lucked out I'm not rich I was a janitor. There was a research grant studying hbot and I lucked out to be a patient with that research. If I had to recommend to others is rent your own home and research the safety for it anti static clothing etc. Id love to buy my own unit it's what I really want. The other thing is write senators and congressmen I wanna say oklahoma tried getting it so medical insurance would accept but pharmaceutical shut it down. I just heard that so don't have sources.
I just saw a video which said to me that Infrared light therapy on the head is more effective for TBI than hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
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hi doc...can temperature thermal gun use for check body temperature is dangerous???
I bought a Beurer 300W lamp which has a range of 500 nm to 2500nm - primarily 1250nm - to treat my generalised anxiety disorder. At 30cm it is said to be 480W /m², but I go closer and its warm but I'm fine with it. I do a 15 minute session once a day. What do you reckon, am I in with a chance?
Did it help ?
How are you doing?.
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igen de kell a ....imfrared en hasznalom 6 eve !
And how does one pursue these treatments?
This research is over 5yrs old we now have even STRONGER R/NiR lights! This is the strongest light on the market!
"PlatinumLED" is the future.🟥🟥🟥
@@soulheights823 !!! vagy
Can it help with ringing in ears after acoustic trauma if i put it inside of the ear ?
People at Tinnitus Talk say yes. Some use a 20w 850nm infrared LED. They say our doesn't need to be a laser, the infrared gets in.
@@nivekvb Thank you! How can i buy a good one please?!
th-cam.com/video/a_Yottkvxkg/w-d-xo.html this one has no power
They said on Tinnitus Talk to buy it from eBay. Get a non laser standard 20W LED. All you have to do is put a heat sink on it, and then use a power a 0v - 30 power supply. They also make special drivers for them. When I did it before I used a dual power supply. eBay 20W LED: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10W-20W-30W-50W-100W-730NM-850NM-940NM-Infrared-IR-High-Power-LED-Light-Lamp/372034536596?hash=item569efc8494:m:m1BRhbcI4F1EVFzr0mEy0Vg.
Heat Sink: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/60-X-120mm-Heat-Sink-for-1W-3W-5W-10W-20W-RGB-White-Warm-White-LED/111574504559?hash=item19fa5bd46f:g:hWgAAOSw-W5Ut2x8&frcectupt=true
Isn't Near IR just what we sense as heat radiation?
What I understand is the near is invisible and no heat but the medium to far red light which is higher on the spectrum has heat. Ultra Violet is invisible but opposite of the wave spectrum. The NIR is low and healing the Ultra Violet is high and damaging.
Can anyone answer this question for me. Would the irestore professional, who is a red light / infrared light helmet that is used to regrow hair, work? It sounds like it could do some of the stuff this video is taking about since it has similar lazers. Any insights anyone?
yes of course ir help, and it works
@@tlacaele3817 so irestor could be used for the brain?
why don't you try it and report back? It can't hurt.
Hi I have purchased 60 watt 810 NM laser to treat stroke and sci .I will post vedio soon
Vineet Wankhede I bought the vielight which is a 13.5 watt 810nm LED but it goes inside the nose so it’s supposed to get up in there better. I wish I could afford a 60watt 810nm laser but sadly I can’t. How much did yours cost? Mine was 500$
Vineet Wankhede A “60W nm laser” will more than likely make things worse, IMO.
I think a 60W laser is a bit too powerful and can burn your skin as well as damage your eyesight.
Everybody has to sell you something. 😔
Please let me know when all these research-energy will be indiscriminatory for the good of all.
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Even better:
When respect for Earth might return and practices of human kind will halt all demages and therefor these technologies will not be found neccessary to come into existence.
What about those kinds of Research?
Thank you very much!
P.S.
Please, Don't shoot the messenger! 🤗💞
Stronger light more healing
How about 250w NIR?
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wait so what strenght light do you need?
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is using infra red light without wavelenght efficient? Can anyone use infra red light without the help of a doctor?
What are you saying? Any light has a certain wavelength there is no kind of lights without wavelengths that just don't exist.
@@ThatOne5 M can buy in my country only the IR lamp with 1200 nanometers BUT WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY to modulate (change) the wavelenght. My question is "can i use it for all the organs, brain, heart, lungs, kidneys, face for wrinkles? THANKS
@@ThatOne5 ????????????
I have a question that I’m having trouble getting an answer to. I’m 64 and I have Parkinson’s disease.,several years ago I had DBS surgery. This had workeded great on the tremors but now I have dystonia mostly in my right foot. Is near infrared safe for me to use. I could benefit in so many ways.
there is a 2004 special edition of life extension magazine...
also, google coimbra protocol vitamin D (works even better in a gluten free diet)
try paida lajin. chinese protocol
Patty Stutts We see great results with I. V. Ketamine.
How are you? Many parkinsons patients got good results drinking a glas water with 10 drops of cds daily
A probiotic strain of the bacteria Bacillus subtilis called PXN21 can prevent the buildup of the protein alpha-synuclein - one of the hallmarks of Parkinson's disease - in the round worm C. elegans, researchers reports.
What do you think of JOOVV devices?
Hi everyone , my wife and my father suffer from neuroe diseasee. Can you please let me know if 5 watt led light is equal to 5 watt laser light. I calculated that my panel is 720 wats ans has 144 led lights, mito light panel....does that do anything or should i find a laser panel?
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@@huki-rw9os And to what degree will a comment like your help me? DO you mean that led lights are useless?
Could it help fight Alzheimer?
Yes, look up Dr Lim in Canada, he has done research with infrared light and has a device available that you can purchase.
What if you shine the light through your eyes to penetrate your brain.
Mahogony Mahogony - they do it through the nose.
Heard it may cause eye damage..
Mahogony Mahogony yes I think through the nose too can damage the eyes I use the glasses they use for tanning bed
@@christinasirr7138 LED red light therapy does not harm the eyes, in fact many people have seen improvement in eyesight with red light therapy.
@@martbook guess I'm thinking of my Vielight unit which is laser photobiomodulation which hurts my eyes if I look at it because it's too bright. I'm sure the intensity of the light/laser must be what matters.
Well and now imagine all those people not doing any research and buying those exceptionally overpriced red helmets to boost cognitive functions 🤦🏻♂️
The sun...... use the sun..... and it's free....
Inferred can have bad effects physiological in even the smallest of doses.
Source or shut the fck up
That is such a false statement. Your wrong spelling of the word infrared does not help you either.
LED is not LLLT
Fernando Gil Most LLLT studies use LED's though
Turtle Henderson I didn’t exactly understand this. Maybe you can explain...what power laser works for human brain injury and who sells it? I’m dealing with concussion symptoms
@@mikeb769 Do a search on Google. I have read very promising results in studies, last one was done in Brazil this year. If you can afford it, buy it.
Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury, been out of work for 10 years, but I am trying to figure out if a cheaper laser can work. It is hard to do with my foggy brain.
Good luck to you, and Happy holidays!.✌️
@@luyzqint3760 Research red light therapy or in particular a company called Vielight specializing in brain healing
@@martbook Thank you.✌️