Luke did not say "that's crazy". He would never insult or deprecate the work of the Holy Spirit like that. He said some some miracles were special (Gr. tychousas). As far as apostles go, Ephesians 4 tells us how long these gifted men will be around, why they are given: Eph. 4:11-16. "And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ- from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love." Why are these gifted men given to the church? for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. How long are they given for? till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; What should their ministry result in? that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting. ask yourself ... do the saints still need equipping? does the work of ministry still need divine help and direction? does the body of Christ still need edifying? have we all come to the unity of the faith? have we all come to the knowledge of the Son of God? To a perfect man? To the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ? do we still have children tossed ....????????????????? Toby, this is why we still have Apostles and the gifts of the Spirit.
Maybe this preacher doesn’t have Mark 16:17-18 in his Bible 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
The earliest and most reliable manuscripts do not have the verses to which you're referring. As such, I'm cautious to embrace this passage as equally convincing as the ones referenced in the video. Additionally, people who handle venomous snakes to demonstrate their "Spirit-given" immunity are "putting the Lord God to their test" which violates God's command as reiterated by Christ during His temptation in the wilderness. I'm certainly not implying that you engage in such practices or approve of those that do, but certainly it is the verses you mention to which such individuals appeal. Most importantly, the speaker wasn't denying that the miraculous still happens, only that we must be cautious to credit the Spirit at large and not some modern day "prophet" who has God "on tap." Many so-called contemporary prophets have made false predictions, thus nullifying any claims they have made about themselves as scripture clearly teaches. Many healers have been proven charlatans who are more interested in a cult of personality than promoting Christ. While these examples don't negate the possibility and truth of modern miracles, believers should exercise great discernment when encountering those who claim to be particularly gifted in supernatural abilities. I cannot necessarily capture the tone I wish to convey in my response. I don't believe that I'm more knowledgeable or more righteous or even more theologically sound than you. I simply wished to add a caveat to your claim. I hope we can both agree that God is most interested in the fruits of the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit are simply a means for advancing His kingdom. Have a good day.
@@erikgriffith8857 I am sorry I am not a Theologian. Just quoted from my King James Bible. It is there in NKJV as well. Pasting ESV version also. For me the Bible is the most up to date manuscript. Yes of course, I agree with you that Cults have risen in the name of "Picking up snakes with their hands". This was not referring to us picking up snakes to test God or prove that we are believers. Apostle Paul had a viper coil around his arms from the fire. Nothing happened to him. He did not go around looking for snakes in that instance. ESV version given below: The Great Commission 14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” All I was trying to say that the gifts still exist today based on Jesus' above statement. The main verse quoted by cessationists is 1 Corinthians 13:8-10. 8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if one is a cessationist or now. Both group will see Jesus in Heaven if they are really saved. The only thing is one group will operate in power and gifts of the Holy Spirit(At least they will expect). I expect the sick to be healed every time I lay hands on them. But do everyone get healed? NO. I do not have an answer as to why some get healed and some don't. Nevertheless, I will continue to do what Jesus commanded in the Bible.
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The gifts continue it was God's plan for all of us to have gifts as noted in Joel, which I can personally testify to be true.
Luke did not say "that's crazy". He would never insult or deprecate the work of the Holy Spirit like that. He said some some miracles were special (Gr. tychousas).
As far as apostles go, Ephesians 4 tells us how long these gifted men will be around, why they are given:
Eph. 4:11-16. "And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ- from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love."
Why are these gifted men given to the church?
for the equipping of the saints
for the work of ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ.
How long are they given for?
till we all come to the unity of the faith
and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
to a perfect man,
to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
What should their ministry result in?
that we should no longer be children,
tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting.
ask yourself ...
do the saints still need equipping?
does the work of ministry still need divine help and direction?
does the body of Christ still need edifying?
have we all come to the unity of the faith?
have we all come to the knowledge of the Son of God? To a perfect man? To the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ?
do we still have children tossed ....?????????????????
Toby, this is why we still have Apostles and the gifts of the Spirit.
Maybe this preacher doesn’t have Mark 16:17-18 in his Bible
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
The earliest and most reliable manuscripts do not have the verses to which you're referring. As such, I'm cautious to embrace this passage as equally convincing as the ones referenced in the video.
Additionally, people who handle venomous snakes to demonstrate their "Spirit-given" immunity are "putting the Lord God to their test" which violates God's command as reiterated by Christ during His temptation in the wilderness. I'm certainly not implying that you engage in such practices or approve of those that do, but certainly it is the verses you mention to which such individuals appeal.
Most importantly, the speaker wasn't denying that the miraculous still happens, only that we must be cautious to credit the Spirit at large and not some modern day "prophet" who has God "on tap." Many so-called contemporary prophets have made false predictions, thus nullifying any claims they have made about themselves as scripture clearly teaches. Many healers have been proven charlatans who are more interested in a cult of personality than promoting Christ. While these examples don't negate the possibility and truth of modern miracles, believers should exercise great discernment when encountering those who claim to be particularly gifted in supernatural abilities.
I cannot necessarily capture the tone I wish to convey in my response. I don't believe that I'm more knowledgeable or more righteous or even more theologically sound than you. I simply wished to add a caveat to your claim. I hope we can both agree that God is most interested in the fruits of the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit are simply a means for advancing His kingdom. Have a good day.
@@erikgriffith8857 I am sorry I am not a Theologian. Just quoted from my King James Bible. It is there in NKJV as well. Pasting ESV version also. For me the Bible is the most up to date manuscript. Yes of course, I agree with you that Cults have risen in the name of "Picking up snakes with their hands". This was not referring to us picking up snakes to test God or prove that we are believers. Apostle Paul had a viper coil around his arms from the fire. Nothing happened to him. He did not go around looking for snakes in that instance.
ESV version given below:
The Great Commission
14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
All I was trying to say that the gifts still exist today based on Jesus' above statement. The main verse quoted by cessationists is 1 Corinthians 13:8-10.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if one is a cessationist or now. Both group will see Jesus in Heaven if they are really saved. The only thing is one group will operate in power and gifts of the Holy Spirit(At least they will expect). I expect the sick to be healed every time I lay hands on them. But do everyone get healed? NO. I do not have an answer as to why some get healed and some don't. Nevertheless, I will continue to do what Jesus commanded in the Bible.