Can't wait for to see the "NASCAR is boring" comments coming from people that love a motorsport where the same team has won nearly every Grand Prix since 2014.... (The paints schemes Alex used are not very accurate. SweedishThunder has a very accurate version of both schemes.)
Every motorsport is boring in its own way. Essentially its watching cars go around a track and occasionally one passes another, and sometimes they crash. Thats motorsports in a nutshell honestly
NASCAR has sucked a lot more in recent years, to be sure, at least on the Ovals. The Gen 4s were total deathtraps, absolutely, but a properly symmetrical body and a suspension setup that encouraged mechanical grip made the ovals much more conducive to good racing. The CoTs and Gen 6s allow asymmetrical bodies that by virtue of the way they flow air take all team and individual strategy out of the equation, the result being that you're left at the mercy of the pack and the ones at the front of the starting field usually win. Not by being clever in defending their positions and through skill in the actual race, but because NASCAR has become even more of a parade than F1. It really doesn't help that almost every race, including nearly all of the post-season championship races, is held on a 1.5-mile paperclip-shape oval. On the plus side the funky aero does make for more entertaining road racing, though going back to the early CoT package for road courses would make it better still
In that 0-100 and back to 0 test, it seemed like the Ford stock car got 8th place just because the BMW Z8 has an ever so slightly longer splitter. It was so incredibly close.
You should try them in oval, like can GT cars match Nascars at their home ? I would like to watch Nascar, but it they won´t show even the results at TV =/ Finnish broadcasters are complete asshats with these type of things, if there is no Finnish competetor then they just ignore the sport, same goes with DTM, BTC etc.
Ahh good video man! Wish I knew ya better because I would've loved to represent NASCAR in this showdown! Impressive how the stock cars could really hold their own against GT cars built with so much more downforce and agility in mind!
They can't in real life though, the Xfinity cars are over 10 seconds slower around Road America than the GT cars, even V8 Supercars are faster yet they are in S class in game.
Oh yeah, trust me I know. Forza is great but by no means is the greatest and most accurate in simulation. To be fair, though, the Xfinity cars a bit underpowered compared to the Spring Cup, so give a little benefit of time differential to the Cup cars. But, even so, there's not much chance a stock car keeps up with GT on any race circuit that isn't an oval. Less downforce and more weight are just too much to overcome even with the greater power output.
Oh gosh I know and it's ridiculous. Forza is anything but an interpretation of how real world racing works or feels. It's fun, but not even close to the real deal.
For V8 I prefer Maserati Granturismo GT4, Maserati Zagato Mostro or Mercedes C63 AMG from Superstars series. But nothing could match Lambo Murcielago R-GT scream.
*pauses video during the first race, quickly watches the trailer for the FM6 Nascar Expansion, resumes video with "Fleet Foot" playing in the background*
Being an american and having the movie cars be my first introduction to car culture i knew very much and was very interested with NASCAR, only a few years ago have i written it off as boring after i found out that there were cars designed to go around TIGHT CORNERS quickly, and i learned that downforce is this wonderful thing that NASCAR or any stock car simply has a lack of. After finding out about GT cars those are currently my favorite class of racing vehicles. Great handling good power and many many grip. I still give NASCAR its credit for being a very entertaining form of racing from the viewers point of view being such close racing and the humongous crashes that occur that everyone (except for the drivers and racing teams) are never disappointed to see! (unless death or major injury occurs, thats never good)
The reason your paint scheme changed was because that car has (as do most nowadays) different sponsors throughout the season. The game probably mixes them up. BTW the 78's graphics were horrible. Very inaccurate. Before the dreaded wraps, I used hand letter race cars for over 30 years. These ARE stock cars. The rules changed, but what they were called never did. And there are still stock parts on these cars. Not as many as in the past but some. A few more today than there was a couple of years ago. Oval track racing may not seem hard to drive (but it can be), but it's VERY HARD to run well enough to win. Road race cars are set up pretty close to the same on all 4 corners. Oval track cars are different on every corner. No two are even close to the same. Different shocks, different springs, pre-load (or not) on the front anti-roll bar, VERY different caster, camber, toe-out, camber gain settings, Ackerman, bump steer, moment center on each front wheel. Static weight on all 4 corner are different, as is tire pressures to the tenth of a PSI. A solid rear axle, which means no real adjustment there except the track bar, shocks, and springs. No whishbone suspension to set caster, camber back there. 3400 pounds of beast to throw around. Road racing isn't a walk in the park, but neither are ovals.
erm, no, the paint scheme changed because the person whos replay that was in lobby couldn't load the custom livery he had. that was all.... the game doesn't mix up any in terms of multiple liveries, as the stock liveries are all counted as different cars, he was using a custom one someone else made.
I don't think he cared that Martin Truex Jr's livery was out of whack. He's going to use a livery that looks like his favorite Nascar driver even if it isn't completely accurate.
Another example of Forza messing up performance, the Stock cars can barely keep up with 911 Cup cars (Maserati Trofeo closest in game) nevermind full blown GTE/GT3 cars, they should easily be 5 seconds up the road. I think the 2nd tier NASCAR series were doing 2:15s at Road America and the GT cars were doing 2:03s so I bet a Sprint Cup would only be around the 2:12 mark, 2:10 at the most.
Why are You saying NASCARS? The correct way of calling them is STOCK CARS :). If I'm honest I don't think that there are more then one of National Association for Stock Car Auto Racings :DDD
Actually, it only really proves that thay used similar physics models on both type of cars in the game. There's really no telling how accurate the comparisons would be in real life.
Honestly as an American, the reason I myaelf don't like NASCAR is because the "cars" are almost all exactly the same, save of course the specific shape of some of the pannels, the specific tunes, the drivers, and the stickers, everything else is the same
Every Thursday he has a thing called "Failrace Versus the Community" that is uploaded on Tuesday. He tells how to sign up at the end of every video on the failrace forums
Why? You afraid you couldn't keep up with all the passes. I raced oval track stock cars for 14 years with two wins. I ran one road race, with a car that really wasn't completed and won it.
SCDWKCB DSCSDC DWJJC DSC Not so sure you know what you're talking about. A lap at road America for a NASCAR is in the 2:13's, same as a usual lap for a GTLM car (not talking about qualifying tuned cars, since you're talking about an actual race). GTLM cars qualify much quicker, but a usual lap for them is between 2:10 and 2:14.
Forza is a great game, but it really is not realistic in terms on straight line speed vs cornering speed. A car with higher straight line speed is better in forza.
Yeah, watching NASCAR is boring as hell. It's only entertaining if you're actually driving the car... Actually, that can be vice versa when you are talking about Superspeedway crashes ;)
Evidently that many passes in one race confuses them. Then they have go back to F1, and the like, to allow the one pass per race let their brain catch up.
Joseph Gorringe I admit I never finished watching a race, but I did watch a portion of it. Also, the problem with so many passes and so many laps is that... well, they just don't matter anymore. Naturally the one pass per race in F1 is the other most boring thing to watch ever, but at least when the pass happens... well, it's somewhat exciting. If NASCAR races were... 25 laps long (and the same applies to F1), then each and every single driver would fight for every single one position a lot harder and all of it would be a lot more interesting, rather than just "wait for the last laps and save the tires in the meantime" approach. F1 races basically are down to the pit stop strategies. Take the pit stops out, make the races shorter (reverse finish order for a 2nd race for example) and both sports would be infinitely more exciting to watch. But with the typical setup, NASCAR and F1 both compete for the title of the most boring motorsport to watch.
The same reason protypes are called prototypes when future versions will never see the road. It's just a name carried down for the history on the division.
GT vs Nascar is Ridiculous. Nascar is fucking boring. The fans that attend just get drunk and wait for a crash to get excited. Similar to watching ice hockey and waiting for fight.
+Lacumbre79 Wrong and wrong. Nascar may be boring on TV, but in-person is far superior to GT races. At an oval track you can see your driver all the way around the track. You get to see every inch gained and lost. It can be very intense. At most circuit tracks, you get to see your driver for a few seconds at a time every few minutes. During the rest of the time you are watching the TV.... Also, hockey is by far the most intense and physically skilled foot sport on the planet.
But this is still no truely proper race track, I mean, there are many straights and the corners are not that tricky, try this on a track like Catalunya or Silverstone, and find out why Nascar cars are bad when they are not at an oval
Am I the only one who thinks that Alex would be a great racing commentator...
Nope
Can't wait for to see the "NASCAR is boring" comments coming from people that love a motorsport where the same team has won nearly every Grand Prix since 2014....
(The paints schemes Alex used are not very accurate. SweedishThunder has a very accurate version of both schemes.)
Ok fine. F1 is boring.
And so is NASCAR. >:)
Fuck that, Rallycross is much more fun than either of these two. And so are V8 Supercars.
Every motorsport is boring in its own way. Essentially its watching cars go around a track and occasionally one passes another, and sometimes they crash. Thats motorsports in a nutshell honestly
PttyBlue43 my fav raceing sport is gt raceing
NASCAR has sucked a lot more in recent years, to be sure, at least on the Ovals. The Gen 4s were total deathtraps, absolutely, but a properly symmetrical body and a suspension setup that encouraged mechanical grip made the ovals much more conducive to good racing. The CoTs and Gen 6s allow asymmetrical bodies that by virtue of the way they flow air take all team and individual strategy out of the equation, the result being that you're left at the mercy of the pack and the ones at the front of the starting field usually win. Not by being clever in defending their positions and through skill in the actual race, but because NASCAR has become even more of a parade than F1. It really doesn't help that almost every race, including nearly all of the post-season championship races, is held on a 1.5-mile paperclip-shape oval. On the plus side the funky aero does make for more entertaining road racing, though going back to the early CoT package for road courses would make it better still
"My livery didn't load properly."
Nope, that's Furniture Row Racing's signature flat black 78 car. A very winning car :)
thegreatcarraway exactly my thought
*throws a piece of a body panel on to track to cause tension 8 laps before the end*
Flavored Snacks no not a body panel. Throw a water bottle onto the apron
Nice video! The Survive The Hunt video was very enjoyable to watch.
This man needs more views.
Really interesting idea well done Alex.
In that 0-100 and back to 0 test, it seemed like the Ford stock car got 8th place just because the BMW Z8 has an ever so slightly longer splitter. It was so incredibly close.
You should try them in oval, like can GT cars match Nascars at their home ?
I would like to watch Nascar, but it they won´t show even the results at TV =/ Finnish broadcasters are complete asshats with these type of things, if there is no Finnish competetor then they just ignore the sport, same goes with DTM, BTC etc.
Race them around the high banks of Daytona, or the tight confines of Martinsville, or any of the mile 1/2 tracks.
You can watch the races on their TH-cam channel
or do another roadcourse on either Infineon or even a digital recreation of RIR
Ahh good video man! Wish I knew ya better because I would've loved to represent NASCAR in this showdown! Impressive how the stock cars could really hold their own against GT cars built with so much more downforce and agility in mind!
They can't in real life though, the Xfinity cars are over 10 seconds slower around Road America than the GT cars, even V8 Supercars are faster yet they are in S class in game.
Oh yeah, trust me I know. Forza is great but by no means is the greatest and most accurate in simulation. To be fair, though, the Xfinity cars a bit underpowered compared to the Spring Cup, so give a little benefit of time differential to the Cup cars. But, even so, there's not much chance a stock car keeps up with GT on any race circuit that isn't an oval. Less downforce and more weight are just too much to overcome even with the greater power output.
BottleRocket13 Unfortunatly so many people take Forza as gospel.
Oh gosh I know and it's ridiculous. Forza is anything but an interpretation of how real world racing works or feels. It's fun, but not even close to the real deal.
The corvette GT car has to be one of the best sounding cars I've ever heard
Agreed. The v8 sound is beautiful
For V8 I prefer Maserati Granturismo GT4, Maserati Zagato Mostro or Mercedes C63 AMG from Superstars series. But nothing could match Lambo Murcielago R-GT scream.
he means game wise man.
Forza uses recordings of the actual engine notes and exhaust notes from the cars. The way it sounds in the game is how it sounds in real life
*pauses video during the first race, quickly watches the trailer for the FM6 Nascar Expansion, resumes video with "Fleet Foot" playing in the background*
I was watching this While watching Darlington Practice for the Cup Series!
Nice. What's your favourite throwback scheme? Mine's either Tony Stewart's or Ryan Blaney's.
I'd be Biased towards Kasey Kahne or McDowell. They are my Favorite drivers.
+The Technician next door McDowell's is good, Kahne's is ugly.
Yeah, the Burgundy is a little off.. but it's only 1 race! haha
"And that got me thinking" Oh no another ambitious plan from Alex XD :p
They also race on Road America.
carrieberry71 not mencs just xns
Being an american and having the movie cars be my first introduction to car culture i knew very much and was very interested with NASCAR, only a few years ago have i written it off as boring after i found out that there were cars designed to go around TIGHT CORNERS quickly, and i learned that downforce is this wonderful thing that NASCAR or any stock car simply has a lack of. After finding out about GT cars those are currently my favorite class of racing vehicles. Great handling good power and many many grip. I still give NASCAR its credit for being a very entertaining form of racing from the viewers point of view being such close racing and the humongous crashes that occur that everyone (except for the drivers and racing teams) are never disappointed to see! (unless death or major injury occurs, thats never good)
What about Nascar vs V8 Supercars, two types of cars that you both like and would be interesting to see how the two compare to each other
A little annoyed you DIDN'T run an oval. should have just for kicks. put all those cars at Daytona and see who wins.
Obviously NASCAR would win because their HP are high than GT cars.
Yes. but 'They're simple, only have 4 speeds" blah blah. should have done it anyways
200 laps to then to make it really interesting with all damage avalible.
Marchel Kindangen well tbh they ran at the Nurburgring out of their comfort zone. So an oval track out of GT cars comfort zone
The reason your paint scheme changed was because that car has (as do most nowadays) different sponsors throughout the season. The game probably mixes them up. BTW the 78's graphics were horrible. Very inaccurate. Before the dreaded wraps, I used hand letter race cars for over 30 years.
These ARE stock cars. The rules changed, but what they were called never did. And there are still stock parts on these cars. Not as many as in the past but some. A few more today than there was a couple of years ago.
Oval track racing may not seem hard to drive (but it can be), but it's VERY HARD to run well enough to win. Road race cars are set up pretty close to the same on all 4 corners. Oval track cars are different on every corner. No two are even close to the same. Different shocks, different springs, pre-load (or not) on the front anti-roll bar, VERY different caster, camber, toe-out, camber gain settings, Ackerman, bump steer, moment center on each front wheel. Static weight on all 4 corner are different, as is tire pressures to the tenth of a PSI. A solid rear axle, which means no real adjustment there except the track bar, shocks, and springs. No whishbone suspension to set caster, camber back there. 3400 pounds of beast to throw around.
Road racing isn't a walk in the park, but neither are ovals.
Jeebus what a long comment :P
erm, no, the paint scheme changed because the person whos replay that was in lobby couldn't load the custom livery he had. that was all.... the game doesn't mix up any in terms of multiple liveries, as the stock liveries are all counted as different cars, he was using a custom one someone else made.
I don't think he cared that Martin Truex Jr's livery was out of whack. He's going to use a livery that looks like his favorite Nascar driver even if it isn't completely accurate.
you also have the tension of pack racing at 180-210 MPH on Daytona or Talladega where the *slightest* error can cause a massive pile up
Another example of Forza messing up performance, the Stock cars can barely keep up with 911 Cup cars (Maserati Trofeo closest in game) nevermind full blown GTE/GT3 cars, they should easily be 5 seconds up the road. I think the 2nd tier NASCAR series were doing 2:15s at Road America and the GT cars were doing 2:03s so I bet a Sprint Cup would only be around the 2:12 mark, 2:10 at the most.
can you please do a 1965-68 formula one showdown? or any kind of vintage race cars showdown?
Having seen this I wish I had taken part.
What happened to the Aston in the drag race/0-100-0?
Is Martin Truex Jr your favorite driver because he won yesterday
He's one of the consistently best road racers so it makes since to pick him.
I'm watching this AT Watkins Glen raceway after the IndyCar race
How do you get the Huracan GT car? I've seen it quite a few times but never been able to obtain it.
Keep an eye out on Forza Forums and it may tell you in gift car thread
Why are You saying NASCARS?
The correct way of calling them is STOCK CARS :).
If I'm honest I don't think that there are more then one of National Association for Stock Car Auto Racings :DDD
The current cars in NASCAR are not really stock cars... Stock cars stopped existing in NASCAR in the Mid 90's
Actually they stop in the 70s
Yes but NASCAR is an acronym and not a type of car
The best way to call them is *NASCAR Cup cars* or just *Cup cars* since they compete in NASCAR's highest division, the Cup
who gives a fuck
you really should have gone to homestead just for the lols. Who knows, the GT card could have been better than the Stock Cars
Were you racing actual people or the AI? If these are real people WHERE DID YOU FIND SUCH A GREAT GROUP OF DRIVERS!??
Only thing is they are called stock cars not nascars
Why cars keep moving horizontally?
how about NASCAR vs V8 Supercars?
RevengeHunter01 V8 Supercars are faster
NASCAR fan talking
V8´s are faster cuz 6 gears gearbox and are alowwed to be lighter by the rules they under
Next do, Nascar vs Trucks
There are major differences between GT1vs GT3 cars, but it puts NASCARs into perspective.
National Association for Stock Car Auto Racings Yeah cool
you should throw DTM cars into this mix. would be interresting
there is no DTM cars in Forza
Actually, it only really proves that thay used similar physics models on both type of cars in the game. There's really no telling how accurate the comparisons would be in real life.
+DDS029 That's what I was thinking, considering the Ford GTE had beaten a DBRS9 GT1 car.
Honestly as an American, the reason I myaelf don't like NASCAR is because the "cars" are almost all exactly the same, save of course the specific shape of some of the pannels, the specific tunes, the drivers, and the stickers, everything else is the same
You should check out Swedish thunder he makes amazing paint schemes for NASCAR in forza
Pretty sure there's a fat joke somewhere in the fact that the one to loose the 0-100-0 test was the McDonald's car..
Why is the quality of the cockpit so low?
where's the Aston at the end?
the Ford GT should not be able to blow past the C7R like that, they race in the same class, in the same series
Thats the 2014 Corvette, in 2016 all the GT cars got more power and a bit more aero.
P class vs f1 ( possibly tuned x or a class )
why didn't you take them around an oval track
Ian McFarland yes but i would have still liked to have seen it
+Ian McFarland with a transmission tune, I can imagine the gt cars would demolish the stock cars
i wish there was a class at about 850 pi so you could race all these things. a lot of the gt cars cant reach the top of r class.
things like the chevy corvette if love to race online but i cant because their too down on pi
any one else that would like to see the nascar cars in a forza Horizon game?
Who's pre-ordered Horizon 3 Ultimate Edition?
Watkins Glen is my favorite track
f1 vs indycar around Watkins glen?
Pretty straight forward win for F1 that is.
AI or private lobby?
y no scoreboard D:
Wait. Where was the Ferrari GT car?
NASCAR and V8 super Cars?
Was this with people or driveatars
People.. I don't know why everyone still asks about this, its fairly obvious that these are actual people racing.
nvrmnd had to be private with braking challenge
Hey brother i want to be in your videos!
Every Thursday he has a thing called "Failrace Versus the Community" that is uploaded on Tuesday. He tells how to sign up at the end of every video on the failrace forums
+Eddy BT (TheDestroyer32) Thanks brother
+Eddy BT (TheDestroyer32) Thank you
No Ferrari race car???
Ford GT LM is not a GT car! It is a fully-specd Le Mans racer!
It is a GT car as its in the GT class with the 488, V8 Vantage, 911, Corvette and M6.
Ethan Stephenson Me?
+DeaKen002 no mate I meant the op. You are totally correct
Cool, youtubes rely sometimes throws me off as doesnt state who replied to who.
Did anyone else notice the 666 on the bmw
its a custom Livery by a Gamer called "StaticSh33p"
oh hello there
No oval racing? comon alex
Why? You afraid you couldn't keep up with all the passes. I raced oval track stock cars for 14 years with two wins. I ran one road race, with a car that really wasn't completed and won it.
DDS029 what? i wasent even part of the race...
+DDS029 Are you bragging or something? 14 years and two wins isn't something to brag about, let alone lie about.
+DDS029 14 years and 2 wins?
God you must really suck at racing.
HordSS
Tight competition.
Hi FailRace
Martin truex !!
What's funny is the gt isn't that great upgraded its sucks in a straight line
Forza made the ford gt way to fast and the vette to slow
how are you even british m8? are you sure you're not american?
hes like richard hammond from top gear
+ross orander You mean Richard Hammond from... The Grand Tour
Fucking Turn 10 Ford Bias
well yeah, its ford sponsored, it sad though cause if any of those cars were tuned/upgraded the ford would actually get destroyed.
I am going to darling
fail race what kind of car do you have
Alex owns an RX-8
He has a Mazda RX-8
He had a Mazda mx 5 mazdaspeed edition but now he have a Mazda rx 8
+macK26 and his first car was a williams clio :P
+The Ultimate Racer it wasn't a Williams Clio
NASCAR is only corporation that's fast in a straight line :DDD
NHRA only runs in straight lines.
+DDS029 nascars last longer than 1/4 a mile
Joseph Gorringe
Doesn't really matter, I still have no idea what you really meant in the first place.
XD
tbh Forza isn't very realistic in terms of races like these. If a GT car vs Nascar race happened irl, the GT cars would be ahead by a country mile.
SCDWKCB DSCSDC DWJJC DSC your just angry because your dearest gt cars are being beat by rudimentary stock cars
I guessing you're american judging by how delusional you are about the capabilities of a stock car :)
a GT1, or GT500 Would Roflstomp a Nascar in most regards, exluding topspeed as they are borderline LMPs
SCDWKCB DSCSDC DWJJC DSC Not so sure you know what you're talking about. A lap at road America for a NASCAR is in the 2:13's, same as a usual lap for a GTLM car (not talking about qualifying tuned cars, since you're talking about an actual race). GTLM cars qualify much quicker, but a usual lap for them is between 2:10 and 2:14.
Matthew Cooper and that’s the lower powered XFINITY series car. With the full 800HP cup car, it could be much faster
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hi i is latias and i is fat.
Forza is a great game, but it really is not realistic in terms on straight line speed vs cornering speed. A car with higher straight line speed is better in forza.
"Watching a NASCAR race"... I think people avoid that since they don't want to bore themselves to death xD
Yeah, watching NASCAR is boring as hell. It's only entertaining if you're actually driving the car...
Actually, that can be vice versa when you are talking about Superspeedway crashes ;)
You've never watched a race, have you.
Evidently that many passes in one race confuses them. Then they have go back to F1, and the like, to allow the one pass per race let their brain catch up.
Joseph Gorringe I admit I never finished watching a race, but I did watch a portion of it.
Also, the problem with so many passes and so many laps is that... well, they just don't matter anymore. Naturally the one pass per race in F1 is the other most boring thing to watch ever, but at least when the pass happens... well, it's somewhat exciting. If NASCAR races were... 25 laps long (and the same applies to F1), then each and every single driver would fight for every single one position a lot harder and all of it would be a lot more interesting, rather than just "wait for the last laps and save the tires in the meantime" approach. F1 races basically are down to the pit stop strategies. Take the pit stops out, make the races shorter (reverse finish order for a 2nd race for example) and both sports would be infinitely more exciting to watch.
But with the typical setup, NASCAR and F1 both compete for the title of the most boring motorsport to watch.
+Ryu Makkuro can't complain about a sport you've never watched.
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Why are nascars called stock cars they are almost the complete opposite of stock
The same reason protypes are called prototypes when future versions will never see the road. It's just a name carried down for the history on the division.
Because when NASCAR started out, the cars in the premier series had to be 100% street legal.
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GT vs Nascar is Ridiculous. Nascar is fucking boring. The fans that attend just get drunk and wait for a crash to get excited. Similar to watching ice hockey and waiting for fight.
+Lacumbre79 Wrong and wrong. Nascar may be boring on TV, but in-person is far superior to GT races. At an oval track you can see your driver all the way around the track. You get to see every inch gained and lost. It can be very intense. At most circuit tracks, you get to see your driver for a few seconds at a time every few minutes. During the rest of the time you are watching the TV.... Also, hockey is by far the most intense and physically skilled foot sport on the planet.
But this is still no truely proper race track, I mean, there are many straights and the corners are not that tricky, try this on a track like Catalunya or Silverstone, and find out why Nascar cars are bad when they are not at an oval