My apologies; in the video I mistakenly referred to the ex VAT prices as including VAT; they're all priced plus VAT on the benchdogs website, the parallel guides are currently available at the pre-order price of £100 + VAT. Apologies again for any confusion, my mistake.
Because of you sir, I was forced to buy this guide. They came to me 2 weeks ago and they are fantastic. with them I can now cut directly on the boards with absolute precision. It is an ideal complement to an mft style table equipped with the benchdogs fence (which I also bought because of you). Thanks Peter for giving us your experiences and knowledge.
Great video Peter. Thanks. Mine arrived this week but the inner block had a lot of play inside the rail and they promptly replied and are going to send a new kit for me to test and send back the other. The 3d printed stop block was a little too tight at first but after asking politely it allowed the bar to go into it. Great kit. Totally agree about the narrow cuts one. Some known size spacer under the rail works just as well and doesn't mess with your calibration. I didn't know or remember that you had an affiliate code with them. But I'll use it in the next purchases. Got a taiga square but the benchdogs one is so beautiful I might jump into it later. Have a great weekend Peter, all the best.
Will be getting some of these to build myself some bookshelves and a built-in wardrobe. Think I might wait a bit though for any issues to be fleshed out
Once again, excellent tutorial! I pre-ordered the very same just after Christmas. I did toy with the idea of making an adjustable guide myself, but when I saw that BD were offering this at £120, I decided to take the plunge. When I placed the order, the only options were the 1m or 3x300 and something guides, but having watched the excellent woodgrafter demo' of parallel guide, I noticed in the comments that there was also an option for the 2x400 and something guides. I, too, decided on this option for the same reason you stated: the ability to rip a full sheet down the middle, and, the knowledge that I'd be struggling in my wee workshop to accommodate the 1m guide, which on narrower rips I'd be obliged to dance around whilst trying to control the tracksaw. I emailed BD and they very kindly amended my order. I also have the BD rail square on back order, should be with me next month. I'd very much appreciate a video comparing the two solutions.
Great video as usual, Peter; and having been in video-making mode once or twice myself, may I say in relation to your out-takes I admire your non-uttering of any words beginning with ‘B’ or ending with ‘X’ 👍👏👏👏
I have some similar from a different brand. Would be great if manufacturers could make it a flip stop as once I’ve set my stop in place I don’t want to move. But if I want to cut a piece oversize (trim cut) then turn it around I can’t do it without changing the stop a flip stop would change that. It’s probably quite important to do the trim cut as only the side that is under the rubber of the splinter guard is guaranteed no to have chips in it.
Luv the out take. Thanks for the heads up re bench dogs narrow cut product. What I didn't like about these guides was the way you lose the calibration when doing narrow cuts. But as you say there's always more than one way to achieve the goal. And in that vain I would also like to hear your thoughts on squares and parcels guides.
Thanks! Yes, I think the narrow cut option could have done with a bit more prior thought - though I guess an option might be an extra set of rail adapters if you need to make those cuts regularly. Mostly though, I think the alternatives do the job pretty well. 👍
Calibration weakness? When you flip them over to tighten them? Gauge with feeler gauge, flip, insert feeler gauge again, then lock up. .6mm in my case, pretty good.
Or you can calibrate them flipped over, using a rule. In truth though, as long as you done loosen the nuts off completely there’s no movement when the rail’s flipped. Good trick with the feeler gauge though Dave - I’ll remember that one! 👍👍
An excellent review of yet another excellent product from Benchdogs. I have the festool version...it works well enough, but is too short in length, and tends to tip as it sits either side of the board you are ripping.( I fixed mine by drilling a hole in each end of the stop and bolting on a little tab that rests on the workpiece) This however seems a much more practical solution and is very reasonably priced compared to the festool design. It's on my shopping list.
I know you were wondering about the scrolling list of patreons at the end and people perhaps clicking away at that point, but the 'bloopers' reel is great! Everyone loves bloopers. Worth sticking around for! Cheers to another great video.
I went with the 3x330 option as it can fit in a systainer. In fact, as I've got a rail square on order, I went for a sys-combi 2 and the rail square option with the insert but no systainer. The rail square will sit in the upper true systainer part and the 3x330 parallel guides sit happily in the drawer with room to spare. In fact, even with the end connectoirs attached, they just fit sideways if you take off the locking knobs or at an angle if you don't. Just a bit of foam cutting to tidy that bit up. I also have the BD mk2 fence in 3x350 format in a BD systainer (damn - too much BD stuff????). The same connectors let me connect a length of fence to the parallel rails if I want to extend the range further and I have the option to use the metal flag stops rather than the 3D stops if I want. Locking the 2 systainers together I have all my BD stuff in one portable place. BD is getting to be a bit of an integrated system. Wonder where they got that idea Festool ?
Thanks peter, great explanation, would love to see a rail square vs parallel guides video since I have the rail square and am considering the parallel guides
I am taking a short break in the video in order to come down here and say: Yes! I would like to see a video on parallel guides vs rail squares :D Now back to the show! Cheers.
When calibrating would you not be better off moving the scale end up to ply instead and scratching a calibration mark into the slides. That way the fixed track ends will remain fully butted up to the rails and less likely to move
Just ordered those, now I can get rid of my tablesaw which I feel is a bit cumbersome with larger sheets, save some room too, now to sell the saw and stop the kickback worry
i would also like to see a rail square versus parallel guides comparison video because i think if your measuring from a known good edge and cutting from a known square edge the only thing to worry about is your own measuring and marking out. or am i missing something ,time to make that video Peter lol
Nice video Peter!! I know that the TSO guides would be difficult for you to acquire, but those along with the Bench Dogs would be a great comparison video. From what I have seen on videos, they look about equal in quality and ease of use. It just depends on which side of the pond one is living!! Take care and stay safe.
I made my own a couple of years ago with t track and 3D printed parts, they are a game changer if you are cutting down sheets into parts. Just set the stop on a tape and go, quick and supper accurate. The bench dogs version looks very nice and for anybody cutting sheets often would soon pay for them in time saved.
I'd be interested in any more details (eg stl files etc for the 3D parts) if you have them. I've got the bargain bucket track saw (evolution) and most commercial systems either don't fit, cost more than the saw&track or both :) Thanks
I've been looking to get something like this so I just pre-ordered a set of 2x445mm. I wish it were £100 inc. vat but you can't have everything. At least I got a 5% discount so thanks for the heads-up video Peter!
What will the improvement comparing benchdogs versus the Festool parallel guides for the Rail System which can cut really narrow strips and upto 600mm .....?
Great review Peter 👍. BenchDogs also make a short right hand fence with flag stop that I assumed was their option for waste side cuts, but it'll be interesting to see what the new product will be, meanwhile Karl's little jigs work great. I'd be interested in your views on parallel guides v rail square. Oh, and love the end credits bloopers 😂.
Im torn between the parallel guides and the rail square. Both have their uses but I wonder if the square is a better option given Benchdogs attachment due for the new version which will essentially give you stops - from what I've heard.
Yes. I’m waiting to get my hands on the width stop accessory before taking a look at PGs vs Rail Square. Unfortunately it’s been delayed for some time. 🤷♂️👍
I’m not sure what else I could have done tbh. All sets are the same price. All sets work the same way. They have the same track connectors and work with the same tracks. I’ve given the cutting capacities of each set, and the variations of 1/2/3 rail options for maximum capacity. I’ve suggested the likely usage for each set (in workshop, on site) and expressed a personal preference with my reasons. 🤷♂️👍
Very nice. I presume these will fit onto other festool style rails like makita, triton, scheppach? I know they wont fit mafell/bosch tracks, but mafell saw wil go into festool rail, I thinking about buying set of rails just for workbench
Thanks! From the video description:- NB: The Benchdogs parallel guides attach using the upward-facing t-slot on the left-hand side of the standard Festool-pattern guiderail eg Festool, Makita, Triton, Erbauer, Titan, Excel etc... If your rails don't have this upwards-facing t-slot, they wont fit. So, I’m pretty sure that’s a no to Scheppach I’m afraid. I believe that Benchdogs are working on a solution for the Mafell/Bosch rails. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop doh, one time I dont read description 😟, and I am the first to point a finger at people for not reading description ☺ If they are working on mafell solution that would be worth a wait. Hopefully they will bring back the square too. Great product. Thank you.
A video on rails square and parallel guides would be great Peter ! especially as no one makes anything for my metabo rail .... but figure I could fabricobal ( is that a word ?) something more easily for the parallel guides...
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes people say you can use the track on a festool saw etc but not the fittings, or rail square etc ( the rear has no channel for connectors ) 😡
Hi Peter, Thank you for a very good video very well explained and also the bloomers lol, I really do like the Mafell Plunge saw and love the rail system but I do think Mafell has missed the boat compared to Festool when it comes to all those extra features that come with Festool tools reminds me a bit like Iphone and Samsung everything always comes out in IPhone first 👍
Thanks Paul. Yes, I like the way Mafell rails join together - but that’s all, I’m afraid. It doesn’t hurt that the Festool-pattern has been so widely copied, either, of course! 👍👍
I would have thought a rail square with 1 parallel guide would be the combination to go for for 90 degree quadrilaterals. You square 2 adjacent edges of the sheet using the track and rail square. Then keeping the rail square on one edge you use the guide to measure from the adjacent squared edge. The cut should then be both square (due to the rail square) and parallel. You can then trim to square the 4th edge just using the rail square. Good for repeated pieces, say shelves or drawer pieces. Thoughts Peter?
I think I’ve been there already, David! 👍 th-cam.com/video/zKKs--bksXs/w-d-xo.html 😆 Between ourselves, the MK2 rail square from Benchdogs does have an extra couple of holes drilled in it... 🤔👌
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ah ok Quizas no hice bien la pregunta pero encontre una pieza llamada "Guide Rail Bracket Set" creo que se utiliza para hacer la guia de riel para la tracksaw. En mi pais Chile no existe, intente buscar en amazon pero tampoco la encuentro.
My kit arrived a while ago and I was a bit disappointed when I realised I need to order other connectors and bars for narrow cuts . Is this what you meant when you said bench dogs will come with additional products for narrow cuts? Being able to buy them bits separate? Thanks
No, as I mentioned in the video I was a little underwhelmed by the ‘narrow cut solution’ as supplied, and relayed this to Ralph at Benchdogs, who told me that they were working on a better solution for this. That’s all I know. And I can only review the products and relay prices as supplied; if specifications or scope of deliver change post-review there’s not much I can do I’m afraid.
Hi Peter Do you know f you can join two long lenghts together. I often make tall cabinets around 2mts long and would like them all to be exactly the same length . I would only need one guide as I would use the guide square for cuts. My thinking is that this would help with the lining up of the LR 32 hole system. Measurements on the rail wouldn't be a problem once set up as consistency of cut lenght is my priority? Other systems that can do this are over double the price.
That's an interesting one; yes, the same joining bar could be used to join the long lengths of extrusion, so that certainly wouldn't be a problem. And I hadn't thought of using these with the LR32! Like it! 👌 👍
Finally - friday! Thanks for the video (full disclaimer - havent watched it all yet but in progress!). Edit; also yay for comparison of rail square and p-guides!
Pretty sure that information is in the Benchdogs website. £110 +VAT pre-order, £120 +VAT after. Don’t forget the Ofer code 10minuteworkshop for 5% discount on everything. 👍👍
Thanks for the video. It would be interesting to get a comparison of the various competing solutions available on the market. Some have flip stops which seems an interesting idea. I ended up making my own out of MDF using cheap Incra 'Metric Incremental Racks' to be able to reposition the stops consistently (with M6 screws added to provide a 'micrometric' adjustment option). It's not as light, but it's tailored to some additional unique needs ;-)
I have some questions though about breaking down sheet good and using parallel guides and using a square. Forgive the newbie questions. Would one start breaking down a sheet first buy cleaning up one edge then using the PG or clean the edge then square up with a square guide from bench dogs or TSO etc then use the PG?
I’d clean up one edge with the tracksaw first, then use the parallel guides to make the rip (long) cuts, then the square for the cross cuts. You could use the parallel guides for making the cross cuts, cut you need to check the end for square as that would be the datum that all others are referenced off. This is where the rail square comes in, of course! Hope that makes sense! P
I’m hesitant about ordering them, mainly because whatever price they’re listed at is not what I’ll be paying for them: subtract UK VAT, add Belgium VAT, add import tax, add customs handling fee (last time I hit that it was €22). I’m wondering if there are any benefits to Brexit on your end of the “bargain”?
Benchdogs have just posted about this on Instagram - there’s an online calculator that give a good indication of what you can expect to be charged. benchdogs.co.uk/pages/faqs
Hi. Only had it for a few days - does a great job, but not sure there’s much more to say about it tbh. Might be enough to do a short vid on it, but it certainly does the job. 👍👍
Lol. It’s becoming a race to who’s first... greetings again from the Netherlands 🇳🇱. Still loving all your stuff. With brexit it’s become harder to buy stuff from the uk. Splurged before years end...
Thanks Bill! Yes, it's all a bit challenging generally just now. Hopefully it'll all calm down and smooth out when everyone gets their systems in place. 👍
No, these rely on the upward facing t-slot at left for the connection, so I’m afraid they’re a non-starter with Aldi/schepoach rails, and the Lidl Parkside as well. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks, damn! Do you have any idea of what might work best for both a rail square and a parallel guide for the cheaper rail? I'm especially trying to figure out how to do repeatable longer square-offs without something like an MFT, me and a measuring tape isn't quite good enough it seems!
Make your own is the only option AFAIK. Video Video 418 for a DIY Rail Square th-cam.com/video/VaxG6vNF1kY/w-d-xo.html And P5 of the Tracksaw workshop series playlist here - bit.ly/TracksawWorkshop for the parallel guides. You’ll need to get a bit creative for the parallel guides on those rails, of course. 👍👍
I used the promo code and talked with Ralph a bit over the phone and finally just received my parallel guides, hinge and fence. Everything seems to be in good order outside of one of the parallel guide bars needs to be replaced due to some misalignment issues. Do you have plans to do a video on the narrow rip feature? No instructions came with any of it which I was kind of disappointed about. Love your videos and advice thanks for all the help.
Thanks. As far as I’m aware there are full instruction manuals to download at benchdogs.co.Uk, and the current video looks at the parallel guides with narrow cut adapters, and rail square repeat stop. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks I did find them as soon as I posted my comment I looked at the website duh. I haven't played with them very much yet but I'm still not sure how calibrating the parallel guides to both the narrow rip guides and the standard parallel guides is possible I'm sure the reasoning will present itself during the process. Thanks for all of your great videos
Thanks! No, I’m afraid the Evolution rails lack the upwards-facing t-slot at the left-hand side that most parallel guides (and other accessories) use. 🤷♂️👍
Great video Peter Look great using with a rail for cutting down sheets. No reason why you would know as Benchdogs don't, but any idea if they fit an Erbauer rail?
Yes, indeed! There have been versions of these, of course, but these in particular offer a very nice range of options, with the sizes and everything. 👍
Slip of the tongue - meant to say plus VAT! There's an amendment in the video description and a pinned comment at the top of the list. Apologies for any confusion, the benchdogs prices have always been plus VAT.
It seems like this would cater to a very small group of people that have a shop just big enough to manage a 4x8 sheet, but not big enough for a table saw. This seems like benchdogs would have to wait a long time to make a profit off of this. Kreg makes something not nearly as nice, but at a fraction of the cost of this.
I think you’ll find that the group of people who prefer to use a tracksaw over a table saw for breaking down sheets goods is quite large, and you may be surprised to find that plenty of folks are happy to pay more for something nicer. 👌👍
A decision I made very early on was to never get a tablesaw. Not sure if it's the number of YT videos where people have removed the guards "for the video", but those things look downright dangerous and there are always easy enough ways to do the same job with other tools. Too easy to make a mistake you can't come back from. Actually I notice quite a few people with shops plenty big enough to take a tablesaw just don't have one, but could have if they wanted (e.g. Matt Estlea). So the group is probably larger than you think.
@@10MinuteWorkshop True. I've had my fill of buying the "it's cheap but it will probably do" one and then later buying the one I should have bought in the first place as well. Either figuring how to go without or using the "buy once cry once" approach has served me so much better.
Hi Peter, I was thinking about parallel guides this week and then you pop a video out about it. You hooked into my cookies to see what i am browsing for again? :) Seriously though, I was interested in the guides as i am making a lot of small rips but they don't work fro the sort of sizes I need. I wondered if you have any suggestions? I need to rip full sheets of MDF to make lots (several hundred) 75mm and 150mm strips from 18mm MDF. Currently I have to rip in half with the plunge and then take it to the table saw for the rest but would love a plunge saw solution that was repeatable in a tent in the customers garden :)
Easiest way with these PGs would be to set the stops to say, 300mm, and use a 150mm spacer under the rail to rip your 150mm strips, and a 225mm spacer to make your 75s. Not ideal, but it would work. 👍
Hi Do these work with the Excel 1.5m Aluminium Guide Rail that you reviewed in your “which rails work” video? There available again at £35, so this would make a good priced solution if compatible. Fantastic vid as always - Thanks
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My apologies; in the video I mistakenly referred to the ex VAT prices as including VAT; they're all priced plus VAT on the benchdogs website, the parallel guides are currently available at the pre-order price of £100 + VAT. Apologies again for any confusion, my mistake.
Peter, I don’t think this is ‘pinned’ as you intended?
@@alistairstanger2940 Pretty sure it was - but I've re-pinned it, so it certainly should be now! Thanks Alistair!
Expensive
I'd love to see a rail square versus parallel guides comparison video!
Thanks David! And noted! 👍
Do it! Do it! Do it! Is it done yet…? 👍
And compare with the table fence.
Me to.
me too
Thanks for such a great mentor u r. I really enjoy just pouring over these clips many times.Have a great week Peter
Because of you sir, I was forced to buy this guide. They came to me 2 weeks ago and they are fantastic. with them I can now cut directly on the boards with absolute precision. It is an ideal complement to an mft style table equipped with the benchdogs fence (which I also bought because of you). Thanks Peter for giving us your experiences and knowledge.
That's fantastic to hear, Manuel! Thank you! 👍
Thanks Peter. I'd be interested in the guides versus the square video especially as the guides won't fit my rails (Evo, Scheppach).
Cheers Alastair! Noted. 👍
Very informative as always, love the mistakes at the end I know exactly how that goes!
Haha, thanks! 👍
Great video Peter. Thanks. Mine arrived this week but the inner block had a lot of play inside the rail and they promptly replied and are going to send a new kit for me to test and send back the other.
The 3d printed stop block was a little too tight at first but after asking politely it allowed the bar to go into it.
Great kit.
Totally agree about the narrow cuts one. Some known size spacer under the rail works just as well and doesn't mess with your calibration.
I didn't know or remember that you had an affiliate code with them. But I'll use it in the next purchases.
Got a taiga square but the benchdogs one is so beautiful I might jump into it later.
Have a great weekend Peter, all the best.
Thanks Douglas! Yes sounds like you had the usual Benchdogs customer service - excellent! 👍
Yes please on the comparison/uses of the two. Anything tracksaw related was was brought me to the channel.
Lots to come in that case! 👍👍😆
Will be getting some of these to build myself some bookshelves and a built-in wardrobe. Think I might wait a bit though for any issues to be fleshed out
Always a smart thing to do, but just FYI I’ve had no issues with any of these production units. 👍💪
At the point of deciding what system to buy. Really useful video.thx
Once again, excellent tutorial! I pre-ordered the very same just after Christmas. I did toy with the idea of making an adjustable guide myself, but when I saw that BD were offering this at £120, I decided to take the plunge.
When I placed the order, the only options were the 1m or 3x300 and something guides, but having watched the excellent woodgrafter demo' of parallel guide, I noticed in the comments that there was also an option for the 2x400 and something guides. I, too, decided on this option for the same reason you stated: the ability to rip a full sheet down the middle, and, the knowledge that I'd be struggling in my wee workshop to accommodate the 1m guide, which on narrower rips I'd be obliged to dance around whilst trying to control the tracksaw.
I emailed BD and they very kindly amended my order.
I also have the BD rail square on back order, should be with me next month. I'd very much appreciate a video comparing the two solutions.
Sorted! 🙌👍👍
Great video as usual, Peter; and having been in video-making mode once or twice myself, may I say in relation to your out-takes I admire your non-uttering of any words beginning with ‘B’ or ending with ‘X’ 👍👏👏👏
Haha, thanks Michael! 👍
Very informative, thanks Peter. Adding my vote to seeing the Rail square vs Parallel guides video. 👍👍👍
Gotcha, thanks Brad! 👍
I have some similar from a different brand. Would be great if manufacturers could make it a flip stop as once I’ve set my stop in place I don’t want to move. But if I want to cut a piece oversize (trim cut) then turn it around I can’t do it without changing the stop a flip stop would change that. It’s probably quite important to do the trim cut as only the side that is under the rubber of the splinter guard is guaranteed no to have chips in it.
Luv the out take. Thanks for the heads up re bench dogs narrow cut product. What I didn't like about these guides was the way you lose the calibration when doing narrow cuts. But as you say there's always more than one way to achieve the goal. And in that vain I would also like to hear your thoughts on squares and parcels guides.
Thanks! Yes, I think the narrow cut option could have done with a bit more prior thought - though I guess an option might be an extra set of rail adapters if you need to make those cuts regularly. Mostly though, I think the alternatives do the job pretty well. 👍
Yay - more money for me to part with. My wife thanks you, Peter 😃
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You and me both! 😂👍
You are, I think, possibly the best TH-cam video maker out there. You even have humour!
Haha, thank you! 👍
Calibration weakness? When you flip them over to tighten them? Gauge with feeler gauge, flip, insert feeler gauge again, then lock up. .6mm in my case, pretty good.
Or you can calibrate them flipped over, using a rule. In truth though, as long as you done loosen the nuts off completely there’s no movement when the rail’s flipped. Good trick with the feeler gauge though Dave - I’ll remember that one! 👍👍
An excellent review of yet another excellent product from Benchdogs.
I have the festool version...it works well enough, but is too short in length, and tends to tip as it sits either side of the board you are ripping.( I fixed mine by drilling a hole in each end of the stop and bolting on a little tab that rests on the workpiece)
This however seems a much more practical solution and is very reasonably priced compared to the festool design. It's on my shopping list.
I know you were wondering about the scrolling list of patreons at the end and people perhaps clicking away at that point, but the 'bloopers' reel is great! Everyone loves bloopers. Worth sticking around for! Cheers to another great video.
Thanks Billy! Yes, that was my thinking as well - even if it is just me tripping over my tongue! 😂👍
Tried to order...out of stock ...unfortunately can't order and wait
Benchdogs will be selling spare end connectors so you can have short and long guides calibrated and ready to go.
Hopefully sensibly priced 👍
Yes, that’s the plan. 👍👍
It's a shame the Strawbyte waste side jigs are not available as a complete set in the US.
Karl ships to the US - not sure what you mean by ‘the full set’??
I too would like to see the comparison between parallel guides and rail squares.
On it... 👍
Me too would love to see a parallel guide vs rail square 👍🏻As always Peter another great informative video excellent 😊
Thanks! And noted! 👍
I went with the 3x330 option as it can fit in a systainer. In fact, as I've got a rail square on order, I went for a sys-combi 2 and the rail square option with the insert but no systainer. The rail square will sit in the upper true systainer part and the 3x330 parallel guides sit happily in the drawer with room to spare. In fact, even with the end connectoirs attached, they just fit sideways if you take off the locking knobs or at an angle if you don't. Just a bit of foam cutting to tidy that bit up.
I also have the BD mk2 fence in 3x350 format in a BD systainer (damn - too much BD stuff????). The same connectors let me connect a length of fence to the parallel rails if I want to extend the range further and I have the option to use the metal flag stops rather than the 3D stops if I want. Locking the 2 systainers together I have all my BD stuff in one portable place.
BD is getting to be a bit of an integrated system. Wonder where they got that idea Festool ?
Thanks! Yes, there's a lot to be said for the 'system' approach! I received my Mk2 square this week, haven't had a minute to play with it yet! 🤷♂️👍
Thanks peter, great explanation, would love to see a rail square vs parallel guides video since I have the rail square and am considering the parallel guides
Thanks Grant! It’s coming - just waiting for one little addition to arrive from Benchdogs. 🤔👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop great!
Love your stuff. Love your outtakes even more.
Tim TRC, SBC, JL Plumbing, Kyle R&R and R&B Brown take note, outtakes are the way to go 😜
😂😂👍👍
I am taking a short break in the video in order to come down here and say: Yes! I would like to see a video on parallel guides vs rail squares :D Now back to the show! Cheers.
Fantastic Goran! Appreciate the sacrifice! 😆👍
When calibrating would you not be better off moving the scale end up to ply instead and scratching a calibration mark into the slides. That way the fixed track ends will remain fully butted up to the rails and less likely to move
There’s 2 bolts in there - they aren’t moving!
definitely interested in a comparison between rail square and parallel guide +1
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If they added a set screw on the t block you would not lose you scale positioning when switching to narrow.
Great review of the parallel guides Peter, would love to see the square v parallel overview.
Thanks! On it! 👍👍
Ordered mine and used the link and the discount code, been waiting for these, thanks Peter
Thanks SImon! 👍
Just ordered those, now I can get rid of my tablesaw which I feel is a bit cumbersome with larger sheets, save some room too, now to sell the saw and stop the kickback worry
All good reasons! 👍
Thank you Peter for doing a review. just to confirm, the Price for the Parallels Guide system is £100 plus VAT.
Thanks! Yes I've made a note in the comments, and in the description; my apologies for any confusion! 👍
i would also like to see a rail square versus parallel guides comparison video because i think if your measuring from a known good edge and cutting from a known square edge the only thing to worry about is your own measuring and marking out. or am i missing something ,time to make that video Peter lol
Working on it, Ken! And thanks! 👍
Nice video Peter!! I know that the TSO guides would be difficult for you to acquire, but those along with the Bench Dogs would be a great comparison video. From what I have seen on videos, they look about equal in quality and ease of use. It just depends on which side of the pond one is living!! Take care and stay safe.
Yes, indeed! 👍
I made my own a couple of years ago with t track and 3D printed parts, they are a game changer if you are cutting down sheets into parts. Just set the stop on a tape and go, quick and supper accurate. The bench dogs version looks very nice and for anybody cutting sheets often would soon pay for them in time saved.
Sounds good! 👍👍
I'd be interested in any more details (eg stl files etc for the 3D parts) if you have them. I've got the bargain bucket track saw (evolution) and most commercial systems either don't fit, cost more than the saw&track or both :) Thanks
Omg what a great bit of kit
You’re a bad influence Peter 👍👍👍
🤷♂️😆👍
I've been looking to get something like this so I just pre-ordered a set of 2x445mm. I wish it were £100 inc. vat but you can't have everything. At least I got a 5% discount so thanks for the heads-up video Peter!
Thanks Melvyn! 👍👍
Great job, excellent festool accessory
thanks for your videos
What will the improvement comparing benchdogs versus the Festool parallel guides for the Rail System which can cut really narrow strips and upto 600mm .....?
They’re different animals. Parallel guides are for ripping regular strips from a sheet. Rail squares are for square cuts from eg a pencil mark. 👍
Great review Peter 👍. BenchDogs also make a short right hand fence with flag stop that I assumed was their option for waste side cuts, but it'll be interesting to see what the new product will be, meanwhile Karl's little jigs work great. I'd be interested in your views on parallel guides v rail square. Oh, and love the end credits bloopers 😂.
They do! Still haven’t got my hands on one of those, lol! And yes, the Strawbyte jigs are so simple, so clever. 👌👍👍
Im torn between the parallel guides and the rail square. Both have their uses but I wonder if the square is a better option given Benchdogs attachment due for the new version which will essentially give you stops - from what I've heard.
Yes. I’m waiting to get my hands on the width stop accessory before taking a look at PGs vs Rail Square. Unfortunately it’s been delayed for some time. 🤷♂️👍
Great review, mate, looks like a bit of a game changer and an accurate one at that!👍🏽
Interested in anything you upload, bring in the comparison vid👌🏽
Thanks Bill! Yes, they’re a big step up for anyone who needs to do this regularly. 👍👍
I would love to see you do a rail square comparison. Perhaps Festool, Benchdogs and definitely Woodpecker. I rarely see you use Woodpecker.
Thanks. Don’t own anything from woodpecker, had no idea they made rail squares. 🤷♂️👍
Well worth the wait as you have been teasing on Insta. Thanks for the calibration tip. Good work as always.
Thanks! 👍
it would have great if you had done comparative analysis of the various available options. as you always do.
I’m not sure what else I could have done tbh. All sets are the same price. All sets work the same way. They have the same track connectors and work with the same tracks. I’ve given the cutting capacities of each set, and the variations of 1/2/3 rail options for maximum capacity. I’ve suggested the likely usage for each set (in workshop, on site) and expressed a personal preference with my reasons. 🤷♂️👍
I would like to see a video on parallel guides versus rail square?
It's coming... 👍
Nice if you do the compareing test.
Very nice.
I presume these will fit onto other festool style rails like makita, triton, scheppach?
I know they wont fit mafell/bosch tracks, but mafell saw wil go into festool rail, I thinking about buying set of rails just for workbench
Thanks! From the video description:-
NB: The Benchdogs parallel guides attach using the upward-facing t-slot on the left-hand side of the standard Festool-pattern guiderail eg Festool, Makita, Triton, Erbauer, Titan, Excel etc... If your rails don't have this upwards-facing t-slot, they wont fit.
So, I’m pretty sure that’s a no to Scheppach I’m afraid. I believe that Benchdogs are working on a solution for the Mafell/Bosch rails. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop doh, one time I dont read description 😟, and I am the first to point a finger at people for not reading description ☺
If they are working on mafell solution that would be worth a wait. Hopefully they will bring back the square too.
Great product.
Thank you.
Great Video. Rail Square vs Fence vs Parallel Guide would make for a great video topic.
Thanks! I did the rail sq vs MFT/fence here - th-cam.com/video/3C8XSWliOys/w-d-xo.html 👍👍
A video on rails square and parallel guides would be great Peter ! especially as no one makes anything for my metabo rail .... but figure I could fabricobal ( is that a word ?) something more easily for the parallel guides...
I think it’s a word now Graham! Shame about the Metabo rail - hadn’t realised it was different. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes people say you can use the track on a festool saw etc but not the fittings, or rail square etc ( the rear has no channel for connectors ) 😡
They are on my to get list in the near future.
Hi Peter, Thank you for a very good video very well explained and also the bloomers lol,
I really do like the Mafell Plunge saw and love the rail system but I do think Mafell has missed the boat compared to Festool when it comes to all those extra features that come with Festool tools reminds me a bit like Iphone and Samsung everything always comes out in IPhone first 👍
Thanks Paul. Yes, I like the way Mafell rails join together - but that’s all, I’m afraid. It doesn’t hurt that the Festool-pattern has been so widely copied, either, of course! 👍👍
I would have thought a rail square with 1 parallel guide would be the combination to go for for 90 degree quadrilaterals. You square 2 adjacent edges of the sheet using the track and rail square. Then keeping the rail square on one edge you use the guide to measure from the adjacent squared edge. The cut should then be both square (due to the rail square) and parallel. You can then trim to square the 4th edge just using the rail square. Good for repeated pieces, say shelves or drawer pieces. Thoughts Peter?
I think I’ve been there already, David! 👍 th-cam.com/video/zKKs--bksXs/w-d-xo.html 😆 Between ourselves, the MK2 rail square from Benchdogs does have an extra couple of holes drilled in it... 🤔👌
hello do you have a video of making that guide to upload and download it, I've always wondered how you did it. appears in 6.24 minutes
To calibrate the guides? No sorry - it’s just a piece of wood cut to a specific size so you can set the rails correctly, that’s all. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ah ok
Quizas no hice bien la pregunta pero encontre una pieza llamada "Guide Rail Bracket Set" creo que se utiliza para hacer la guia de riel para la tracksaw.
En mi pais Chile no existe, intente buscar en amazon pero tampoco la encuentro.
My kit arrived a while ago and I was a bit disappointed when I realised I need to order other connectors and bars for narrow cuts . Is this what you meant when you said bench dogs will come with additional products for narrow cuts? Being able to buy them bits separate? Thanks
No, as I mentioned in the video I was a little underwhelmed by the ‘narrow cut solution’ as supplied, and relayed this to Ralph at Benchdogs, who told me that they were working on a better solution for this. That’s all I know. And I can only review the products and relay prices as supplied; if specifications or scope of deliver change post-review there’s not much I can do I’m afraid.
Good review Peter and you just saved me another £5. - thanks 🙄🤣👍
I try! 😂👍
"gard sakes" ..... I love this channel for the woodworking tips, but I always stay for the blooper reel.
Ever lose little parts down the dog holes?
Always - there’s a shelf down their, catches most things. 👍
Very interesting and instructive. Thank you.
Thanks Frits! 👍
Hi Peter Do you know f you can join two long lenghts together. I often make tall cabinets around 2mts long and would like them all to be exactly the same length . I would only need one guide as I would use the guide square for cuts. My thinking is that this would help with the lining up of the LR 32 hole system.
Measurements on the rail wouldn't be a problem once set up as consistency of cut lenght is my priority? Other systems that can do this are over double the price.
That's an interesting one; yes, the same joining bar could be used to join the long lengths of extrusion, so that certainly wouldn't be a problem. And I hadn't thought of using these with the LR32! Like it! 👌 👍
Excellent video as always 👍
Loving the ' out takes ' 😂😂
Glad you like them, thanks! 👍
Finally - friday! Thanks for the video (full disclaimer - havent watched it all yet but in progress!).
Edit; also yay for comparison of rail square and p-guides!
Thanks Christian! 👍
IAs I would say when I got tongue-tied in giving a presentation, "Well, that's easy for me to say!" Thanks, Peter.
Haha, thanks Bob! 👍
The Wood Pecker Parallel guide is ridiculously over-priced but why is this a fraction of the price? What's the MSRP after pre-order?
Pretty sure that information is in the Benchdogs website. £110 +VAT pre-order, £120 +VAT after. Don’t forget the Ofer code 10minuteworkshop for 5% discount on everything. 👍👍
Thanks for the video. It would be interesting to get a comparison of the various competing solutions available on the market. Some have flip stops which seems an interesting idea.
I ended up making my own out of MDF using cheap Incra 'Metric Incremental Racks' to be able to reposition the stops consistently (with M6 screws added to provide a 'micrometric' adjustment option). It's not as light, but it's tailored to some additional unique needs ;-)
Sounds good! 👍
I have some questions though about breaking down sheet good and using parallel guides and using a square. Forgive the newbie questions. Would one start breaking down a sheet first buy cleaning up one edge then using the PG or clean the edge then square up with a square guide from bench dogs or TSO etc then use the PG?
I’d clean up one edge with the tracksaw first, then use the parallel guides to make the rip (long) cuts, then the square for the cross cuts. You could use the parallel guides for making the cross cuts, cut you need to check the end for square as that would be the datum that all others are referenced off. This is where the rail square comes in, of course! Hope that makes sense! P
I’m hesitant about ordering them, mainly because whatever price they’re listed at is not what I’ll be paying for them: subtract UK VAT, add Belgium VAT, add import tax, add customs handling fee (last time I hit that it was €22). I’m wondering if there are any benefits to Brexit on your end of the “bargain”?
Benchdogs have just posted about this on Instagram - there’s an online calculator that give a good indication of what you can expect to be charged. benchdogs.co.uk/pages/faqs
Do you have any plans for another review/update video for the Mk II version of these parallel guides Peter?
Yes - I've just received my set, I'll get to them as soon as I can, but lots of other things going on as well. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop great stuff, looking forward to it
please make the parallel guides vs square guides. thnak you
Will do! 👍
Hi Peter, any intention to review their rail square repeat stop?
Hi. Only had it for a few days - does a great job, but not sure there’s much more to say about it tbh. Might be enough to do a short vid on it, but it certainly does the job. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop wow thanks you are quick 🙃. Maybe a comparison between the parallel guides set and a set of the square plus repeat stop?
Mafell /Bosch version?
The lack of a left-side t-slot really makes accessories difficult for Bosch/Mafell rails.
have you heard anything about bench dogs making parallel guides for mafell/bosch?
Working on them apparently, Mark. The lack of a left-side t-slot causes a few issues though, as you can imagine. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Coach! yeah, I never thought of that. I guess I may just have to swallow my pride and buy a festool track.....
Do you think Ralph would swap a set of these for my festool ones? I hate the festool ones but these look great! 🤣
Lol.
Cash either way?? 😆😂👍
Lol. It’s becoming a race to who’s first... greetings again from the Netherlands 🇳🇱. Still loving all your stuff. With brexit it’s become harder to buy stuff from the uk. Splurged before years end...
Thanks Bill! Yes, it's all a bit challenging generally just now. Hopefully it'll all calm down and smooth out when everyone gets their systems in place. 👍
Will these work with the cheap rails from the Aldi saws? Or the rails lacking the T slot prevent that?
No, these rely on the upward facing t-slot at left for the connection, so I’m afraid they’re a non-starter with Aldi/schepoach rails, and the Lidl Parkside as well. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks, damn! Do you have any idea of what might work best for both a rail square and a parallel guide for the cheaper rail? I'm especially trying to figure out how to do repeatable longer square-offs without something like an MFT, me and a measuring tape isn't quite good enough it seems!
Make your own is the only option AFAIK. Video Video 418 for a DIY Rail Square th-cam.com/video/VaxG6vNF1kY/w-d-xo.html
And P5 of the Tracksaw workshop series playlist here - bit.ly/TracksawWorkshop for the parallel guides. You’ll need to get a bit creative for the parallel guides on those rails, of course. 👍👍
As always Peter very informative
Just bought some using your code
I used the promo code and talked with Ralph a bit over the phone and finally just received my parallel guides, hinge and fence. Everything seems to be in good order outside of one of the parallel guide bars needs to be replaced due to some misalignment issues. Do you have plans to do a video on the narrow rip feature? No instructions came with any of it which I was kind of disappointed about. Love your videos and advice thanks for all the help.
Thanks. As far as I’m aware there are full instruction manuals to download at benchdogs.co.Uk, and the current video looks at the parallel guides with narrow cut adapters, and rail square repeat stop. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks I did find them as soon as I posted my comment I looked at the website duh. I haven't played with them very much yet but I'm still not sure how calibrating the parallel guides to both the narrow rip guides and the standard parallel guides is possible I'm sure the reasoning will present itself during the process. Thanks for all of your great videos
Hi Peter. Bit late to the party but great video as always.
Do you know of any parallel guides for the evolution rails?
Thanks! No, I’m afraid the Evolution rails lack the upwards-facing t-slot at the left-hand side that most parallel guides (and other accessories) use. 🤷♂️👍
Thanks.
Looks like I may be doing some strategic dremeling
Great video Peter Look great using with a rail for cutting down sheets. No reason why you would know as Benchdogs don't, but any idea if they fit an Erbauer rail?
Thanks Daniel! No reason why they wouldn’t fit the Erbauer, but I’m check when I’m back in the workshop. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop that would be great. Thank s
Good review there Peter.
Thanks Benedict! 👍
Am well impressed sometimes the simplest things are the best 👍
Yes they are! You're talking about me, right...? 😯😂👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop lol 😂
At 0:50 love the Franken-hose 😂😂
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This is something that you see and think "how simple and easy to use" but also and possibly more importantly why have they not been around sooner 🤔
Yes, indeed! There have been versions of these, of course, but these in particular offer a very nice range of options, with the sizes and everything. 👍
What's wrong with the Festool parallel guides ?
Price? 👍
Weird, it shows £120 inc vat in checkout even though it's still in pre-order. Is that a mistake on their website?
Not seeing that here - it’s still showing as £100. 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes, it shows £100 on the website but when you get to checkout it adds £20 VAT to the order.
The price has always been £100 plus VAT, VAT is only applicable if you are in the UK ( as far as I'm aware)
Yes, apologies; my mistake, I said 'inc VAT' instead of 'plus VAT'. Sorry!
@@10MinuteWorkshop No drama Peter, I'm sure we will get reminded of it like forever lol
Did you say they were £100 including vat ? When you follow the link it says 100 plus vat?
Slip of the tongue - meant to say plus VAT! There's an amendment in the video description and a pinned comment at the top of the list. Apologies for any confusion, the benchdogs prices have always been plus VAT.
Hi Peter will this system fit any make of guide rail, I have evolution and makita, by the way great video very informative.
It needs standard Festool-pattern rails - there’s a list of approved rails on the Benchdogs site. 👍👍
Do they work with the MacAllister rail Peter?
I haven’t physically tried them, but the MacA rails are Makita clones, so they should be fine. 👍👍
That’s what I thought but wondered if you had first hand experience. Thanks for the quick response.
I’m in the middle of something else just now, but will check when I have a sec. to confirm. 👍
Very unfortunate, that benchdogs uk doesn't offer paypal as a paying method.
Well, many companies don't take PayPal, but maybe you should suggest it to benchdogs?? 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Especially in the UK? Yep, I will, Peter. Cheers!
Brilliant system ! Is there a Bosch version ?
It’s coming! 👍
great out takes peter ...
Thanks Darren! 👍
It seems like this would cater to a very small group of people that have a shop just big enough to manage a 4x8 sheet, but not big enough for a table saw. This seems like benchdogs would have to wait a long time to make a profit off of this. Kreg makes something not nearly as nice, but at a fraction of the cost of this.
I think you’ll find that the group of people who prefer to use a tracksaw over a table saw for breaking down sheets goods is quite large, and you may be surprised to find that plenty of folks are happy to pay more for something nicer. 👌👍
A decision I made very early on was to never get a tablesaw. Not sure if it's the number of YT videos where people have removed the guards "for the video", but those things look downright dangerous and there are always easy enough ways to do the same job with other tools. Too easy to make a mistake you can't come back from. Actually I notice quite a few people with shops plenty big enough to take a tablesaw just don't have one, but could have if they wanted (e.g. Matt Estlea). So the group is probably larger than you think.
@@10MinuteWorkshop True. I've had my fill of buying the "it's cheap but it will probably do" one and then later buying the one I should have bought in the first place as well. Either figuring how to go without or using the "buy once cry once" approach has served me so much better.
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🤷♂️👍 Thanks! 🙌
Hi Peter, I was thinking about parallel guides this week and then you pop a video out about it. You hooked into my cookies to see what i am browsing for again? :)
Seriously though, I was interested in the guides as i am making a lot of small rips but they don't work fro the sort of sizes I need. I wondered if you have any suggestions? I need to rip full sheets of MDF to make lots (several hundred) 75mm and 150mm strips from 18mm MDF. Currently I have to rip in half with the plunge and then take it to the table saw for the rest but would love a plunge saw solution that was repeatable in a tent in the customers garden :)
Easiest way with these PGs would be to set the stops to say, 300mm, and use a 150mm spacer under the rail to rip your 150mm strips, and a 225mm spacer to make your 75s. Not ideal, but it would work. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Buggar, your answer just cost me £125 on the Benchdogs website :) Thanks
Hi
Do these work with the
Excel 1.5m Aluminium Guide Rail that you reviewed in your “which rails work” video?
There available again at £35, so this would make a good priced solution if compatible.
Fantastic vid as always - Thanks
Thanks, and yes they will. The excel rails are just clones of the Makita. 👍👍