Classic WoW Advanced Shaman Guide 2 of 2 (Stats, Weapons Buffs, Spell Coefficients, Totems)

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  • Greetings, fellow Shaman & welcome to the Advanced Shaman Guide, Part 2 where I will go over confirmations, tests, and video clips from the Classic WoW Beta concerning Shaman spell coefficients, internal spell scaling, weapon imbues, totem mechanics, talent/spell/stat mechanics, glancing penalties, leveling & dungeon meta, and ghost wolf form. In addition, I also go over known issues and things that still need to be tested. I hope you all enjoy! Lok’tar Ogar!
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  • @DefcampMelderonTV
    @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I hope you enjoyed Part 2 of the Advanced Shaman Guide. Let me know what you would like me to test next! Link to Slides: docs.google.com/presentation/d/1upQ4_nHQfFQFOjg43kNY_lZ9V2HXchR5Nc3pbwENk2U/edit?usp=sharing
    Timestamps:
    00:10 - Introduction and Special Thanks
    01:09 - Building the Story
    01:41 - Table of Contents
    02:13 - Spell Coefficients
    04:21 - Frost Coefficients
    05:18 - Fire Coefficients
    07:28 - Nature Coefficients
    10:16 - Healing Coefficients
    11:05 - Internal Spell Scaling
    13:16 - Weapon Imbue Testing
    20:19 - Totem Mechanics
    25:19 - Talent/Spell/Stat Mechanics
    29:38 - Talents act Multiplicatively
    31:03 - Glancing Penalty
    33:40 - Leveling & Dungeon Meta
    35:17 - The Do’s and Don’ts of Ghost Wolf Form
    36:47 - Known (Persistent) Issues
    39:13 - What Still Needs Testing
    42:20 - Other Great Shaman Content
    43:15 - Farewells & Thanks

    • @Jeygii
      @Jeygii 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      does flametongue double interupt spellcasting?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jeygii no it does not

    • @Jeygii
      @Jeygii 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV /cry

    • @Jeygii
      @Jeygii 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      does it get improved from firespell improvements?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jeygii yeah I went over the spell coefficient in the video (10%)

  • @zubstep
    @zubstep 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Never smashed the like button so fast. Shaman community, Melderon & friends, all you guys, it's not the abilities, the talents or the buffs; it's you that make Shamans the best.

  • @Tordenelgen
    @Tordenelgen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That moment you watch a Shaman guide with no intention to play a Shaman, but it's just too chill to listen to Melderons voice talking about WoW :)

  • @guywitharock
    @guywitharock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Love these "deep-dive" style vids! The level of research and attention to detail is second to none. This is exactly what yields proper theorycrafting dialogues, can't get enough.
    Would love to see similar analyses for other classes as well. Keep up the good work!

  • @CyborgNinja442
    @CyborgNinja442 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can't get enough of the shaman info Mel. Classic WoW soon brothers!

  • @fatsephy
    @fatsephy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Appreciate the follow up video. Glad you have been able to substantiate many of the irregularities from your previous video. There's a been lot of oddities floating around the community.
    Regarding the grounding totem... it is dependent upon the incoming spells. If it's an immediate damage spell, it should destroy the totem. If it's NOT an upfront damage spell (sheep, mind control, a curse, a dot etc.) then the totem is not destroyed and can continue to absorb spells.
    It worked this way in vanilla 100%. It works this way on most private servers also, but a handful of them get this wrong and remove the totem after any spell.

  • @mr.mikaeel6264
    @mr.mikaeel6264 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That thumbnail of troll shaman is amazing

  • @MajkaSrajka
    @MajkaSrajka 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    On clearcasting not affecting the natural mp5 - that works for all 0 mana spells.
    As a priest with cheaper instant casts (disc) with the item from BRD that reduces mana cost of spells by 100, you can have Renew rank 3 (105 mana) -> (~92 mana or sth) -> 0 mana, and be able to do something like (clearcasting-spell from disc talent, Greater Heal maxrank) -> trinket -> spam renews rank 3 for 10s with mp5 for the entire duration.
    I'd guess same thing applies for any other spellcasting that have decent spells that cost less than 100 mana, ending up with this trinket pulling in quite a bit of mana.

  • @connorclouser355
    @connorclouser355 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yesss! Stoked to watch this when I get home from work.

  • @MajkaSrajka
    @MajkaSrajka 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Boxgraphs in wow - you are an absolute legend!

  • @mattgenaro
    @mattgenaro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm learning so much from this videos to get ready to play my first time classic experience with a shammy. Thank you so much for the amazing job and dedication!

  • @Thern0dy
    @Thern0dy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In vanilla so things might have changed (Did not play beta)
    > Grounding totem
    While grounding totem is dropped you gain a buff. While the buff is active spells will be redirected to the totem.
    The buff is only removed when tot totem dies. So depending on timings it might be possible to ground 2 spells (or more if from multiple sources)
    If someones casts a spell with cast time and travel time for the projectile and strait after a instant cast no travel time spell both spells would have been grounded by the grouding totem.
    Since the projectile could not be redirected once it was fired. But the instant cast would destroy the grounding.
    > Will Arcane Missiles and Grounding Totem
    Yes. The spell was already "Locked" on your grounding totem. the other 2 (or 3 bolts) will not be redirected to the shaman
    >For mindflay and Grounding Totem
    Initial tick went to grounding totem. Then Priest stopped channeling because target was destroyed. Still triggered GCD
    > Warlocks / imps and Grounding Totem
    Depends on the timing. If one of the spells finished casting while the other was still en route to the Grounding totem both would have been grounded.

  • @MrJcock12
    @MrJcock12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Haven’t been this excited for a 45min vid since... well... ever

  • @Waersted
    @Waersted 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another shaman video from Melderon!!!!! It's sweet(and very interesting) music to my ears :3

  • @gc8274
    @gc8274 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Amazing research and work. Top notch - Thank you!

  • @vanillaface88
    @vanillaface88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don’t think you mentioned this when talking about weapon skills, but FYI when you’re leveling up a new weapon skill each windfury proc counts towards your skill. So you can sometimes level up that weapon skill 3 times with a single strike

  • @ShopKory316
    @ShopKory316 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like the mix of my favorite wow class and my college stats class

  • @Sykomyke
    @Sykomyke 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can 100% confirm the Fire Nova totem aggro issue was back in vanilla. It's one of the few distinct "annoyances" I still remember very clearly. I learned very quickly that you have to have some threat on all mobs nearby in order to not have Fire Nova totem die to a boar hoof.

  • @Spiderbro8
    @Spiderbro8 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Using both this video and the more comprehensive chart from your last video we can generally conclude that:
    - Windfury is likely the best imbue for any Enhancement Shaman (IF ≥3.0 speed weapon)
    - Frostbrand is likely the best imbue for any Elemental Shaman (IF Elemental Fury Talented)
    - Rockbiter is likely the best imbue for any Restoration Shaman
    - Flametongue is trash (with the strange exception of a 2.1- 2.3 speed anomaly)
    - In every other circumstance you should almost always use Rockbiter Weapon.
    You may consider an alternative imbue when targets gain additional Resistances/Armor but generally this is a good rule of thumb.

  • @Notsidgaming
    @Notsidgaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome. Awesome. Awesome stuff. Keep it up brother.

  • @RonMartinJr
    @RonMartinJr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great testing man. This is what Beta was for!

  • @mikeb3808
    @mikeb3808 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    For leveling; I think flametongue rank 1 is worth grabbing when you still have white gear. At low levels it's a consistent amount of magic damage for dealing with high armor mobs, especially when you're otherwise just auto attacking; waiting for mp5 regen.

  • @sildinis
    @sildinis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally! Hype.

  • @beej-tl1zr
    @beej-tl1zr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Windfury should scale better with gear unless I got my math wrong. 584 base AP with a 53 dps 3.0 speed weapon Rockbiter = ~142 dps and Windfury = ~145 dps. With a base AP of 1168 and a 87 dps 3.0 speed weapon Rockbiter = ~218 dps and Windfury = ~252 dps. Sorry if this was a double post, first post didn't show up.

  • @Cmygo
    @Cmygo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This weekend people asked which weapon enchant is better RB or FT and all the shamans in my (temporary) 500 man guild agreed FT is better than RB. I tried to explain that weapon speed plays a significant role and also 'Elemental Fury' and 'Elemental Weapons'. They were so sure that FT is always better than RB and once you get WF that's the best one hands down...
    I told them there is this guy called Melderon on TH-cam and that he is a total nerd that made like a dozen shaman guides and that they should check him out ;)

  • @D3Z3R7
    @D3Z3R7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm disappointed by the weapon imbuement data. Would it not make more sense that frostbrand and flametongue would switch places in average DPS, because frost has the slow effect on it as well? Does this mean that flametongue is useless outside of fights with extreme armour and cold resist (questionably relevant since armour seems to be low across the board anyway)? It would be sad if it had no practical application.
    Your notes on dungeon ease make me a little wary as well. I remember dungeons being one of the least exp/hr efficient ways to level, but I did it anyway because they were fun. I hope they release some kind of statement, if everyone is noticing that they seem to be a breeze.
    ANYWAY, don't want to be a downer, this video has so much hard work in it and it's so great to see you present it professionally like this. I think you're the world's leading shaman scholar at this point.

    • @matthewmiller6667
      @matthewmiller6667 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I honestly believe the reason we're seeing many people talk about the dungeons being a breeze is largely due to the experience we have in WoW/MMo's in general now. For many players WoW was our first true MMO experience. We would naturally be worst players 15 years ago than we are, overall, today assuming the players has continued to play MMO's over the decades.

    • @Murzac
      @Murzac 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewmiller6667 Something that's become extremely clear with Raggy going down within like 5 days of launch is that players are just flat-out crazy amounts better than they were back in the day. Not to mention that now you also have entire guilds composed of people that not only do this shit for a living but also are some of the best players in the world. You had neither of those during vanilla launch. Even the best players of the time were just scattered across random guilds at the time but now you have them all working together in a single guild and as a result some real crazy shit can be pulled off.

  • @Argosh
    @Argosh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Makes you appreciate the work those programmers went through to get private servers just right.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They seriously don't get enough praise

    • @cookiecrisp8951
      @cookiecrisp8951 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They didnt get them just right

    • @Argosh
      @Argosh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cookiecrisp8951 close enough. Just consider the scope...

  • @Greg-bs5jw
    @Greg-bs5jw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the lecture!

  • @wakydawg
    @wakydawg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For your section on weapon buffs, you noted that you used Flurry. For that to have been possible, you'd have picked up Thundering Strikes for 5% melee crit. Could that be a reason for Rockbiter's clear lead on the other enhancements?

  • @darthrigeous
    @darthrigeous 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome. Loving the work. Will there be any shaman pvp videos in the future, or can you recommend a video that I can check out. Thanks for your time.

  • @Nikyou1
    @Nikyou1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Next level of totem twisting: shaman twisting

  • @jetrpg22
    @jetrpg22 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best theorycrafter for classic 4 sure.

  • @markl6567
    @markl6567 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice vid man. Could you possibly make a vid showing all the best shaman loot available from MC and ONY in phase 1?

  • @goldenaxebrick6748
    @goldenaxebrick6748 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really love your Shaman videos! Ty vm. This maybe a silly request but would it be possible to do an optimal Ele / Enh spec video for players that want dps close and long range with melee and spells and not worried about putting points in the resto tree. With maxed out gear I would love to weapon swap to smack face but also have CL crits if that’s at all possible. Many thanks again.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you seen the ele and enh guides I just put up? Maybe those will be helpful

  • @Zullv
    @Zullv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congratulations for the very in-depth guide. Truly great work.
    A quick question, which I fear I might know the answer to: If you, running Enhancement with the 2hand talent, respec and loose that talent, do you also loose all weapon skills that you got with 2h Axes and Maces?
    Thank you in advance and keep up the great work!

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, you keep the skill you accrued. Good question

    • @brentsta
      @brentsta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV you do? Thank God. I heard you didn't
      I mean I was kinda looking forward to it but dreading it if that makes sense.

  • @Jormungrandrserpent
    @Jormungrandrserpent 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd still argue flametongue still has value, In a PvP setting it is consistent damage and bypasses armor. Frostbrand is good for burst of course but prior to having large amount of intellect for crit or spell damage, flametongue is still a good choice for consistent damage when your target has high armor.

  • @Stompinwind
    @Stompinwind 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ability scaling came in 112 just so you know it became done once they added like now that you're seeing holy skill has went up in 15 points or Elemental skills have went up in 15 per level now

  • @curiosityisland4196
    @curiosityisland4196 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome amount of research. I love it. You didn't mention anything about Ravager proccs storing WF proccs. Any chance you've done some testing of this? I'm referring to Cdew in Cath, pretty much oneshotting everything after Ravager procc.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No ravager drop for me. I tried :(

    • @curiosityisland4196
      @curiosityisland4196 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DefcampMelderonTV Aww, too bad. Do you think it was most likely a bug, or you think it'll stay in the game at launch?

  • @The80sWolf_
    @The80sWolf_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a hard time deciding on Tauren or Troll. But Tauren gives the shaman a fkn STUN, and that is worth quite alot I must say.

    • @jeffsmith8066
      @jeffsmith8066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also a bigger hit box which can be good if you're melee, but if you're a healer / caster it will make it harder to get away from melee players/monsters

    • @The80sWolf_
      @The80sWolf_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeffsmith8066
      Haha yea, damn this game. To hard to pick...

  • @TheRedAudio
    @TheRedAudio 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Defcamp & Melderon TV, these guides of yours are such an amazing resource. Thank you! I have been wondering about this hybrid ele/enh spell power/spell crit build utilizing flametongue or frostbrand for damage combined with ele fury...
    I am curious though, I haven't seen any spell coefficients for Flametongue Totem. Does it have one? Or does the Flametongue totem buff, utilize the target's spell power? Also, does the flametongue totem gain any benefit from Ele fury?
    The theory crafting behind this build has been focused on how this build effects the Shaman's DPS... what I am curious about is, does this build effect Flametongue totem in a positive way, and if so, is it enough to consider Flametongue totem over Windfury totem? I know this is pretty MEME but, my curiosity is peaking. Thanks again!!!

  • @MyTomServo
    @MyTomServo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It seems like windfury scales better with gear. Rockbiter is a static ap buff right? If windfury does more damage based upon your ap, then it should scale better with your ap than a static buff... which scales not at all with the rest of your ap.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      WF provides a static AP buff to extra attacks, similar to rockbiter.

    • @MyTomServo
      @MyTomServo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      So it ignores all gear except for the weapon? Or did I misread that
      Edit: meant to say all stats except weapon damage.

    • @jeffsmith8066
      @jeffsmith8066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV I feel like he's saying that with more AP from gear, the white hits from windfury will scale better than the static AP from rockbiter. At least that's how I understood him.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeffsmith8066 Perhaps, however, I am not getting it since the AP bonus is higher for RB

  • @Barlowe
    @Barlowe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm noticing something odd, all the classic info I've been seeing has been pointing to the 10% frost brand co. With your guide here saying it moves upward to about 11.5% or so with improved weapon imbue talents. But in my play it's looking like it's closer to 40-45% unless I'm doing something wrong. FB rank 4 at lvl 40 for me is base about 95 damage, my strikes are proccing at 112-113 with 41 extra frost spell power. That's just about 18 damage extra, 41*.45 just about equals the aforementioned 18 damage given about half a point variance upward. Am I doing this wrong? Or has it been changed?
    Edit: Also, this is a kick-ass guide, you guys put a ton of work into these, thanks so much from one little shaman amongst the masses!
    Edit 2: It could be a product of the extra 15% damage on the improved talent? 15% of 95 added to a 10% of 41 is also about 18 damage :/

  • @Skyprey
    @Skyprey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can also use on use effect item in ghost wolf :D

  • @Stratoshev
    @Stratoshev 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, you should not try the ET kiting with Tauren, as tauren has a biger hitbox. That means, bigger "leeway" effect

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Teach me in da ways of da wise.

  • @Obliv210
    @Obliv210 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where yall at? Vanilla needs you

  • @Argosh
    @Argosh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can still kite with leeway. It's just a lot harder. Even more so for shaman since the mob will just leave the range of the totem.

  • @Warcrafter
    @Warcrafter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can confirm that arcane missiles has one charge go to the grounding totem (destroying it) then the other charges hit the origional target

  • @armagedoc66
    @armagedoc66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did they buffed ft? Because its consistancy is way better now. I mean it easily competes with rockbiter. I am around 40. And if my weapon with rb hits between 110-150, ft is hitting like between 90-125 plus 30 each hit, which is like the same and ft is even better on higher armors. Maybe beta was like that? I am switching between them in each rank and recording.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The issue is crits. If ft crits, only the base damage crits, the magical portion crits are spell based and will crit way less often. You should be stacking agility which makes RB hit much harder. If RB never crits then they are more comparable

    • @armagedoc66
      @armagedoc66 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV Yep, definitely this. The crics really change the situation. thanks for the info :)

  • @jimmym3352
    @jimmym3352 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Saved an Orc Shaman name yesterday. Though I may try to convert it to a Troll Shaman in 2 weeks. But honestly I think I prefer Orc.

  • @aaronmeyers451
    @aaronmeyers451 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was your weapon enchantment tests compare them with or without 3/3 elemental weapons?

    • @Tylorz1
      @Tylorz1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was wondering this as well

  • @nintendonchill
    @nintendonchill 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Stay away from da V O O D O O

    • @BoulderBomb
      @BoulderBomb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ^ Go check out his music perfect for classic grind

  • @EclipseV2K
    @EclipseV2K 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I may have missed it in the video...but I noticed today that in ghost wolf form, i was getting skill ups for weapons. Meaning my 2hd mace was getting skill ups while biting my target...

  • @Groktos
    @Groktos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Elemental Furor works with Frostbrand and Flametongue you say, so do those enhancements overtake rockbiter when leveling als elemental?

  • @thevlaka
    @thevlaka 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about Shemen????

  • @MilandorWoW
    @MilandorWoW 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When saying that a talent does not affect the coefficient, do you mean that the multiplier only affects the base damage or that it just apply normally to the spell damage ?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean that the talent increases the actual coefficient

  • @theJakal137
    @theJakal137 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, really appreciate the in depth videos. I was wondering if you have any thoughts or any information on how spell damage affects Frostbrand vs. Rockbiter on fast weapons? (i.e. a resto or ele shaman tryna quest who has alot of spell dmg gear)

  • @xxMurmaiderxx
    @xxMurmaiderxx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting, so using Rockbiter on a 1h as Elemental is straight up better than FB/FT? Even with high crit I can't imagine the Elemental Fury buff is going to even come close to surpassing the numbers you got.

  • @4gloat
    @4gloat 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are immune to sap/seduce/mc while in ghost wolf, I remember doing this in 2005.

  • @Jhamantheshaman
    @Jhamantheshaman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm pretty sure that Windfury extra attacks can proc on hit effects. Because I was able to get multi-procs of windfury during Ravager procs. This is all from memory though and I might be wrong.
    Ravager use to be able to proc itself. If i was whirlwinding and windfury proc'd I would have a chance to proc another whirlwind.

    • @moonblaze4725
      @moonblaze4725 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jhamantheshaman ithink it was patched out in 1.12

    • @Jhamantheshaman
      @Jhamantheshaman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@moonblaze4725 I remember doing it on my Shaman while leveling in TBC. Again, maybe my memory is faulty, but I recall it proccing off itself.

    • @moonblaze4725
      @moonblaze4725 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jhamantheshaman u might be right about classic but in tbc it was definitely patched out

    • @moonblaze4725
      @moonblaze4725 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jhamantheshaman actually it was patched out in 1.4 with addition of internal cd

  • @Maglouk
    @Maglouk ปีที่แล้ว

    Flametounge that bad makes me sad, Guess it's only use is to be in dungeon as dps early game so you don't get threat... which is kinda weird

  • @franzhejhej
    @franzhejhej 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any updated info regarding choice of imbues following the release of classic? Here there still seemed to be some confusion due to it being in beta
    Furthermore, is there any info on the scaling? As in, does a fully spell damage equipped shaman do more dps (using only white hits and imbue) than a fully ap geared one?

  • @Kvothe1994
    @Kvothe1994 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So the melee + casting lightning bolt between autoattacks is dead, since it resets the timer , right? same as heals

  • @logosao88
    @logosao88 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question about the graph that begins @ 16:00 : Does the DPS statistics of the Flametongue Imbue only count the single-contact damage OR does it also include the residual fire damage-over-time? If Frostbrand out DPSes Flametongue when taking the subsequent damage-over-time effect, then it's hard to imagine when Flametongue would be worth using. Maybe against a rogue to keep him from re-stealthing?

    • @johnhandcock3242
      @johnhandcock3242 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      nno dot on flametongue

    • @logosao88
      @logosao88 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnhandcock3242 Ah...ok...I misread the spell effect. Thanks!

  • @JeF1943222
    @JeF1943222 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you test Earthbind kiting with orc and troll too ? Because Tauren's hitbox is way bigger than other races.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Others did. It's not as bad but still very hard to do

    • @tzip2007
      @tzip2007 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV So u don`t recommend tauren as a race?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tzip2007 tauren are great just will be harder to EB kite. I'm not planning on doing it at all

  • @tomtefar1988
    @tomtefar1988 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand what you're talking about the grounding totem.
    In the clip the shaman puts out the totem and it soaks the mages fireball and then dies. Just as intended.
    What are the "5 spells" you mention?

  • @dave9967
    @dave9967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video. If I'm understanding swing timer reset correctly, dropping totems and purge will reset it?

  • @Vytil
    @Vytil 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    maybe the mobs you were killing had fire resist built into them and thus flametongue perfomed worse. it would make sense considering you are killing crocodiles that live in the water and have thick scales. i think more tests need to be done.

    • @Vytil
      @Vytil 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      nevermind i saw your reply to basically the same comment :P

    • @Vytil
      @Vytil 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      incredibly helpful video, thanks for doing all this research!!

  • @BD-rk6hx
    @BD-rk6hx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do spells that become instant cast with Nature Swiftness gets the spell coeficient of being instant or the game treats it as if it was a 3.5s cast?

  • @markmcclenaghan
    @markmcclenaghan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am i understanding right the Co-efficent = The actual dps done as opposed to the tooltip after downranking is in effect? I.e 85% of the tooltip dmg is being done on rank 7 lightning bolt and 31% on rank two etc?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, spell coefficients are for bonus damage. Tooltip damage doesn't change. It's how much additional damage. Let's say the tooltip says damage is 100. You have 100 spell power. You would think the total damage would be 200. But since the spell has a 3.0 sec cast, the damage total is 185.71

  • @Jan-vm6mx
    @Jan-vm6mx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you test the scaling of DPS from windfury with better gear? Because you get extra attacks with regular ap plus a bonus instead of just a flat ap bonus from rockbiter or flat extra magic damage from the others

  • @TheHellKiteChaoS
    @TheHellKiteChaoS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can confirm weapons that have a damage proc can proc from windfury attacks. This is a screenshot with the mace from princess in Mara where all 3 attacks proc the weapons "wound". imgur.com/gallery/CtNM1qa

  • @Jeygii
    @Jeygii 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no crit progs from flametongue weapon /cry

    • @Jeygii
      @Jeygii 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      all my spell crit, melee crit build concentrated on int as tauren goes down the shitter ..... frostbrand also doesn proc , right ?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      correct, weapon imbues are not considered spells for procs

  • @connorclouser355
    @connorclouser355 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Elemental and enhance PVP guides🤗

  • @hansmor8
    @hansmor8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another thing to test. Does the totem range increase stack with the tier set bonus that does th same. I think its tier 1

    • @carlmcclatchie2122
      @carlmcclatchie2122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I wondered that too, but I guess we will have to wait a while for that information. I figured i would spec it end game and if I get the set bonus test a totem and see if they stack (or more likely another shaman will do that first). If it does not stack just respec that talent point.

  • @Listhebaroness
    @Listhebaroness 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys, I'd like to ask for a test on something. The flametongue totem scales with spell power? If so, does it scale to the SP of the person buffed or to the shaman's SP?

  • @nature337
    @nature337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could part of the leeway issues of earth bind kiting be caused by the increased model size of Tauren?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes although it's also an issue in orc and troll

    • @nature337
      @nature337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DefcampMelderonTV Okay, thank you for the great content!

  • @Sailex-
    @Sailex- 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick question: Which professions should I pick on Classic launch as a shaman? I'm planning on Skinning (for money) while leveling but im not sure about the 2. one. At 60 I'll prob change to Mining/Engineering for PVP

    • @TheRedAudio
      @TheRedAudio 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many people recommend alchemy for PVE and Engineering for PVP late game. Eng brings many cool things, but all three shaman specs (4 if you count tanking) suffer from mana issues, and alchemy helps with that significantly

  • @forust98
    @forust98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “That’s hot”

  • @Jormungrandrserpent
    @Jormungrandrserpent 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can't howl in ghost wolf, I'm sad

  • @jamesmcnamara3907
    @jamesmcnamara3907 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I may have missed this, but why does elemental become more dominant leveling at around 40-45? I am 39 enhance rn and am contemplating making the switch. But, why does elemental get so much better around this level?
    Thanks

  • @henshire
    @henshire 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    sry my english, the question is its betther rest /enchancemn or resto / elemental hybrid i have to heal but doing GOOD but its necesary follow farming quest or grinding so u need make dps no ? full Restoration isnt a option i guess im in lvl 56 its so hard to get party like dps i have gear to "Start" healing what do u think bro ?

  • @jameskearney2845
    @jameskearney2845 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking for a link to you guy's leveling guide for all classes, horde and alliance. Please add

  • @bankia6723
    @bankia6723 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wind fury starts competing with rockbiter at slower weapon speeds. Is there any testing with windfury in conjunction with the flurry talent? My thought was if you have flurry then auto use windfury regardless of weapon speed.

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      All of these tests were done with Flurry. I mention that at some point. Can't check at the moment

    • @bankia6723
      @bankia6723 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV thanks i might of missed it

  • @BifidokKefir
    @BifidokKefir 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe you are immune to sap in ghost wolf form like druids in cat / bear forms

    • @EB-bl6cc
      @EB-bl6cc 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      correct. you can't sap beasts until wrath or cata or something

  • @tenbutts
    @tenbutts 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? HOW DID I NEVER SEE THIS? I WATCHED THE FIRST ONE LIKE ONCE A WEEK FOR MONTHS

  • @Stompinwind
    @Stompinwind 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does that mean that Druids can now block and Parry in Bear form....

  • @klyded8523
    @klyded8523 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Melderon, do you know if earthfury 3P bonus stack with the totemic mastery talent for 40yd range?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, beta was only till 40 so we couldn't test it

    • @klyded8523
      @klyded8523 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV They stacked on private servers iirc?

    • @Egregious_
      @Egregious_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The wording of the talent is very troubling. It seems that it may not stack. Will have to be tested in Classic.

    • @johnhandcock3242
      @johnhandcock3242 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      it does. tested most of this in vanilla

  • @Burnit78
    @Burnit78 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So how do you calculate a true healing output please ?

  • @MyTomServo
    @MyTomServo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you know if the crockalisks have fire resist?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do not. Also did a similar test on hyenas, FT was poor in that as well

  • @doopness785
    @doopness785 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    what's the difference between "spell coefficient" and +spell power/healing

    • @jeffsmith8066
      @jeffsmith8066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spell coefficient is the % of spell power that actually increases the spell's effectiveness.

  • @LP-gk4ef
    @LP-gk4ef 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    “Do you value having the ability to one hit something?”
    Hahah yes... I do.

  • @johanlahti84
    @johanlahti84 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about flurry proccing from windfury? Would that push windfury up to the top?

    • @johanlahti84
      @johanlahti84 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, Rockbiter has a set amount of dps it can buff you for. Windfury scales with your gear. so there will be a point where WF is the obvious answer.

    • @wakydawg
      @wakydawg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johanlahti84 From my brief looks at BiS gear for the various phases, it looks like WF becomes the only option some time during/after phase 2. Before then, RB will be a viable choice, if not better. Small disclaimer, that's unbuffed. Procs could drastically change things, as you essentially get an extra two hits per five swings. With something like Nightfall, you'd probably want WF just for proc rate.

  • @LaresGoldFarm
    @LaresGoldFarm 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make shaman tank great again!!!!!

  • @starwarsfamilyguy0
    @starwarsfamilyguy0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    does shadowguard get the same spell power coefficient as lightning shield?

    • @jetrpg22
      @jetrpg22 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Per a lot of old sites (but not the lists) it was 26.7% (total of 80%) which is funny because that is what lightning shield ended up being.

  • @Greg-bs5jw
    @Greg-bs5jw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My Troll Shaman will be named Thex

  • @johanlahti84
    @johanlahti84 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totems should NOT remove debuffs instantly. Or am I crazy?

    • @johnhandcock3242
      @johnhandcock3242 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      how it worked b4

    • @johanlahti84
      @johanlahti84 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah i might be remembring wrong. Been sooo long.

    • @jimmym3352
      @jimmym3352 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I only know Burning Crusade, never played shaman in vanilla. It certainly didn't pulse immediately in BC. No idea about vanilla.
      But I'm not complaining.

  • @g.fonseca6402
    @g.fonseca6402 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait flamethonge weapon is the worst well rip all the lvl i but on it

  • @axelrok4942
    @axelrok4942 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you need to reapply the weapon buff for it to scale after a lvling up ?

    • @DefcampMelderonTV
      @DefcampMelderonTV  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know but you have to refresh every 5 mins

    • @axelrok4942
      @axelrok4942 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DefcampMelderonTV dude I can't lose 5 min each level !!! Thx for the quick reply mate, that makes sense 😎

  • @Geliott
    @Geliott 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Disenchant in ghost wolf? :)