Testing Tesla's First NEVI Funded Site in Rockland, ME | Quick Charge # 14
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- The first Tesla Supercharger that has received federal funding went live in Maine on April 3rd, 2024. Under NEVI (National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure) Formula Program requirements, fast charge stations receiving these funds must deliver a continuous 150 kW power level and support output voltages between 250 to 920 VDC.
Take a trip with us up to Rockland, ME to see how Tesla's latest V4 dispensers fare, what kind of power cabinets have been installed, and why Tesla locations will provide a notably different experience for drivers of 800V architecture EVs like our Hyundai IONIQ 5, compared to almost every other NEVI-funded location.
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I love the Supercharger network, but this should not be allowed. At a minimum, there should be a requirement that these sites are upgraded to V4 cabinets as a priority over non NEVI sites. Or withhold reimbursement until they fully comply.
Thanks, Steve! It's interesting to me how similar the configuration of these V4 dispensers is to Rivian's Adventure Network dispensers.
Cheers Eric. It seems to work well this way. Wish they'd follow Rivian's cue and design in a pull-through stall though. These will be super-tight for a Cybertruck and other electric pick ups.
Thanks for the video. I have tried the Rockland "V4 " station with my tesla. There were no non-teslas there, so I can only assume that it would work for them. The V4 "posts" are quite unique in the USA, this being the first I have ever seen, and also have credit card readers, which is atypical. [ and before anyone comment, yes, I understand that it's not really a full V4 installation.]
The Hannaford there is a nice store, and has a public bathroom.
Good news at the Augusta Comfort Inn site ( kindly mentioned at 7:30 of the video). There is some evidence of construction there today (June 1), while there was zero activity there when I drove by two weeks ago. I hope that I am not misreading this, and that there really is progress being made.
That is a key location locally, with a lot of traffic turning off I-95 at exit 112-B, to head up Rt 27 to Belgrade Lakes, Farmington, and Maine ski destinations. Kudos to tesla for proceeding with that new, key installation.
whoa a touch screen on a Tesla charger 🤯🤯... and nice plugshare hat!!!!! I hope we hear soon about GM being allowed to charge with an adapter on v3+ ... i was hoping it was going to be ready before the Holiday weekend but i wont hold my breath at this point.
Yep, I think the whole Supercharger department debacle has probably set things back a few months on that. Those who remain will be focused on fielding angry calls from jilted site hosts and contractors before they get around to inviting others into the sandbox!
My Taycan received 150kW at a Magic Dock station in St Pete Fl. This car has the 400V charging feature. I did not navigate to a charger so the car might have done better with a hot battery. Overall the experience was terrific. The Tesla phone app worked right off. Wish there were more Magic Dock stations.
I didn’t option the 150kW DC-DC converter so my Taycan would only pull 50kW. I didn’t option as there were virtually no high power sites that were not 1000V in 2020. Tesla will have to eventually upgrade to fully support their Cybertruck.
@@ronb4633 My car was dealer optioned so guess they loaded it up. Good thing as it was only a $400 option. Wish the Taycan had manual battery preconditioning as it only warms the battery to EA stations. It makes a big difference in the charging speed at low SOC.
@@BillB33525 Thankfully a lot of dealers optioned up the 400v booster. My SIL bought a 2023 Taycan GTS and fortunately it's got the booster.
@@anthonyc8499 GTS is to die for! RWD here!
Thanks for checking these spots out! I’m very curious what the future will hold, but hoping for continued expansion & improvement. 🤞
Same here, thanks Brian!
A reliable backup is a good thing, and the SC will be that for 800V cars until true V4 roll out.
Yep, it'll certainly do if the more powerful sites from EVgo, EA, ChargePoint, and a few other providers are busy.
I didn't realize TesSC had a NEVI site live. Good point about the lack of signage indicating ccs-1 charging available. You don't see that in the app for like three layers. Super cool to see a display screen here in the US. I saw a few videos of ones in EU. Cool to see the future here in the states too. The payment terminal too looked pretty solid. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching.
Yes, the payment terminal was really handy and feels like it will be protected, tucked away behind the connector. Hopefully that's a neat little design feature that keeps them from damage and screen burn. Thanks for the watch and comment!
I follow a lot of EV YT’rs and you’re the first one I’ve seen that has posted a V4 ready site with the screen working.
Just a lucky location, really. I'm based out of Boston and Maine got an early jump on Tesla NEVI sites, where they have to have the payment reader and display in place to comply with federal requirements. Not an easily accessible location for anyone outside New England. Thank you for watching and commenting.
97kW on a Supercharger for the E-GMP cars is right at the edge between blazing slow and painfully fast. It's a rare feat to have a Tesla Supercharger be slower than a 200A paired Chargepoint CPE250, yet here we are.
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There are quite a few paired CPE250s serving central Maine. As it stands, they remain a better option for EGMP vehicles than this location or the planned Augusta Supercharger (if it happens at all). Approaching 18 months since Tesla installed the first V4 posts in Europe, it's disappointing that they couldn't get the 1000V backend in place by now. If only for the Cybertruck, even if they don't give a fig for other models 🤷♂️
Great to see your video. Oddly I spoke with Tesla Supercharging Dept. About 3 Weeks ago on need for Chargers on US Route 1 for Coastal Maine especially Camden, Rockport and Booth Bay. The Rep looked at the Map and thought it was a good idea but it is odd to think he didn’t know about this one as ready or coming soon.
Maine is coming along nicely. New Hampshire needs DC fast chargers in Western Part of the State and major resort areas too.
Strange, thanks for the insight though. This one has been on the map for about nine months and in the ground for five, so it should be pretty well known to Tesla employees.
NH has sites slated for the White Mountains and East for NEVI round 1. It won't fill in all the gaps and the state is definitely behind its neighbors on DCFC, but there's some light at the end of the tunnel.
I saw one of these v4 supercharger locations in Prattville, AL (just north of Montgomery). Seemed out of place in that part of the country. Would have liked to test it with my '24 Tesla Model Y long range, but we were driving my wife's ICE car for that trip.
That area also got some Magic Dock love when they expanded last year. I've never been able to apply much rhyme or reason to Tesla's rollouts but they get the job done.
Steve, how do I know when there's the next group chat between you, Eric, and the others?
Hi Paul. There's one coming up in 20 minutes, for starters! th-cam.com/users/livetQEMjUGzP-Q
Then we're usually every two weeks at 5PM Pacific, but the schedule has been moved a little recently. I'll look into somewhere to host a schedule everyone can bookmark.
I’m going to guess that 900V charger design is very difficult for some reason.
It’s wild that Tesla still doesn’t have a completed V4 design despite Elon’s off the cuff comments back in 2016 about 350kW being “child’s play” when discussing other charger makers plans (Ionity/EA).
It should have been on the design docket back then but perhaps Elon’s 400V stubbornness forbade those developments for the design team for a very long time (basically before Cybertruck and NACS).
Yes, it's surprising that higher voltage hasn't been prioritized... or at least timed to arrive with the Cybertruck. If it was only going to benefit other manufacturers I suppose I can see the reason to put it on the backburner. But when Superchargers don't serve Tesla's own models as well as other providers, that's an odd place to be.
I do think these should have to support 800V for federal funding *however* the stations are capable of 350A at 400V and giving 150kW to 400V vehicles. So i do think it's fair to say these support 150kW. As you probably know you can't get 150kW due to the voltage issue and limitations of the eGMP boosting method.
Thanks for making this video. Subscribing.
Yes, exactly. Tesla can claim that the charger is capable of delivering 150 kW and if the vehicle is not capable of accepting 150 kW that’s the vehicle manufacturer hardware issue and not a charger issue. Tesla would argue that it is not their responsibility that Hyundai onboard charging converter is capable of only 100 kW and not 150 kW Whether or not you agree with us or not the Nevi decision makers have granted Tesla fund based on this logic.
Thanks for the perspective. I guess flip this on its head and say the requirement was 100 kW continuous and a site installed paired ChargePoint CPE250s. My car would be comfortably above the threshold but 400V vehicles would suffer due to the amperage limitations, maxing out around 80 kW. I'd still want the site to install ChargePoint Express units capable of delivering sufficient power to all EV models, rather than taking advantage of loopholes to save dollars and use cheaper hardware.
@@plugandplayEV Yeah I agree with you totally. The NEVI rules need to explicitly say minimum 150kW (I would up this to 250kW) for both 400V and 800V vehicles.
Is that the normal price for charging there on Superchargers? Seems high, but maybe electricity out here in the west is cheaper. Last road trip I did, it was 33c in most places. I think one charger was 30c after 12 AM.
It's a common rate for non-Teslas but can be made cheaper on a plan at most Superchargers. Last time I checked, it was $12.99 per month to bring the cost down to around $0.40/kWh, possibly lower in some areas.
@@plugandplayEV Good to know! Thanks for showing us what the NEVI Tesla chargers are like.
Any time! Appreciate the watch and thoughtful comment 🙏
@@plugandplayEVstill wish it were cheaper to charge a non-Tesla if you already own a Tesla.
@tkmedia That would definitely be a nice touch and deserved benefit for those who've contributed to the Supercharger buildout via their Tesla purchase.
Nice to see a cable length that reaches other EVs, but I foresee a fiasco ahead, now that E'loon has fired the Supercharger senior director and her team. He has essentially delayed, if not outright betrayed, the commitment to transition to J3400 with GM, Stellantis, Hyundai, Kia, Genesis, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Fisker, Aptera, Lucid, Mazda, Porsche, Subaru, Volkswagen, Volvo, Polestar, Nissan, Toyota. If I were in charge of NEVI, I'd cancel Tesla's funding from it until they pull through with that commitment.
Hey I have an answer....tell all those manufacturers to put out their own superchargers. That would solve a whole lot for you non-Tesla owners.
How can I find on of these sites
This is the only federally funded Supercharger opened so far. You can find the "Magic Dock" locations that have the same CCS adapter by using the Tesla app under "Charge Your EV" or "Charge Non-Tesla". Plugshare also works, by setting filters to Tesla as the only network and CCS as only plug type. Similar for the Chargeway app.
@@plugandplayEV It turns out that Rivian's native navigation system "knows about" these newer, available chargers. I suspect Ford EV's can do the same. So, the CCS vehicles that Tesla has officially "embraced" will charge automatically (plug and charge), and will show up on their dashboard Navigation screens.
As a tesla owner, I recently helped a newbie Rivian owner get through his first Tesla charging experience, at the new Magic Dock station on rt 1 in Lynnfield Mass. So, what I know or think about the above advice is based on that single experience. I may have some of it wrong, but it seems pretty encouraging for those who shook Elon's hand early in the process (Ford and Rivian). Those who are waiting, will have to wait for the automated plg-and-charge, and also will have to wait for their dashboard NAV applications to get updated mapping data.
For sure, Rivian owners are in good shape as of May 2024. It is unfortunate that there is NO SIGNAGE when you drive up to one of these "available chargers, to indicate any of the above. Non-Tesla owners will continue to be baffled when they have their first charging experience at a compatible Tesla Supercharger location.
Maine’s DCFC infrastructure is pretty limited. The few ChargePoint sites scattered about have proved to be underwhelming. EVGO has managed to provide the best experiences in Westbrook, Biddeford, and Portland. EA is a complete mess in Scarborough with only two units capable of 35kw on a good day. For those with a 800V system, 70kw on a good day. But, that’s all typical of Maine being a decade behind the country.
On the contrary, I've found Maine to be significantly ahead of other New England states in terms of coverage, if not power level. The Efficiency Maine chargers have taken me to Canada from south to north (Rt. 201) and south on I-95. Still some significant gaps but the plan covers those in its next stage. I also checked out EA Waterville on the way back which appears to have broken ground. When that's energized, it will be the most powerful location in the state and six stalls should be plenty to serve the EV traffic in this relatively remote region for some time.
The limitation is your adapter. it would melt down. try parking correctly next time so as not to waste a charging slot.
None of this is correct. Watch the video properly and try again.
This voltage loophole for Tesla is a mixed blessing. It really does a disservice to existing 800v cars and arguably holds back the pace of technology advancement. Automakers who want the fast charging of 800v have to also include expensive voltage boosters to accommodate Superchargers. This adds costs and compromises for everybody just so we can have access to the best charging network.
It will function as a serviceable back up to several other growing networks with more capable hardware, if nothing else.
These automakers who put out 800V architectures can install their own superchargers....nothing is stopping them.
Or they can go to any non-Tesla NEVI site and get full power. Superchargers are currently the only provider unable to deliver 1000V hardware. Makes no difference to me but it's worth other owners knowing that their session will be longer.
Problem is with your- Hyouonduya
So Tesla can't do what literally every other public CPO can and deploy 1000V charging hardware? Cybertruck owners are going to be sad to hear that.
So @USDOTFHWA this is the kind of outdated charging voltage equipment that got approved for NEVI funding. #refundplease‼️
At the end of day. The did you get stranded no. You got a reliable fill of your pack. Those chargers are 150kw min capable units. Brining any other 400v car and you get the rating. I can’t wait to see all those KIA/Hyundai chargers that are rolling out with 1000v chargers. Have they built one site yet. Quit throwing ice water on a good thing. Having RELIABLE chargers every 50 miles is the most important part of NEVI program. Let’s get that built then complain about the extra 20min some brands have to wait on these chargers. That or take your chances at the EA down the Highway.
Thanks. I did and EA got me there and home. Supercharger was just an intriguing side journey and will remain so until Tesla figures out 1000V hardware.
These moRoNs all take Tesla for granted and they didn't even buy Teslas. Every other automaker can pump out their own superchargers, nothing is stopping them. Go and complain to them if you don't like the current state of charging. I have a M3P and you don't see me complaining about my supercharging. I went on a 5000 mile trip to Vegas and back to NJ with not ONE problem supercharging. Cry me a river.