U. G. Krishnamurti: Complete Part 1 - Mystique of Enlightenment - Thinking Allowed w/ J. Mishlove
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NOTE: This is the full broadcast portion of the 88-minute interview.
Those who offer enlightenment or salvation appear to often operate more as businessmen than as authentic spiritual teachers. In part one of this two-part series, U. G. Krishnamurti he denies any possibility of knowledge of enlightenment. The very attempt to achieve enlightenment is an obstacle in the path of the proclaimed goal. The search for enlightenment is a device of the mind to perpetuate itself, in denial of its mortality.
In part two of the full DVD, he critiques various disciplines, both mystical and psychotherapeutic, which are said to lead to states of enlightenment. He proposes that states of enlightenment, if they are to be attained, must be gained in spite of--not because of--meditation, devotion, prayer, acceptance, forgiveness, or compassion. Stripped of all our pretenses, facing the despair of the human condition, freed of the imaginary diseases from which "enlightenment" may save us, we can build realistic and practical lives.
U. G. Krishnamurti was a world traveler and author of Mind Is a Myth and The Mystique of Enlightenment. Viewed by many as a liberated individual, he eschewed all gurus, teachings and followers.
A wise man once said nothing.
+Robin Payne
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+gm679 this is propably one of the most ironic comments ever.
Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. Proverbs 17:28
define nothing ??? (Being Silent or UG speaking half an hour )is not saying nothing ... LOL
I like his no-bullshit attitude. It is very refreshing to hear a point of view so unique and ironically radical.
I like and appreciate, unique and radical ideas it is it just entertainment or is he saying something that you value? I guess it doesn’t matter
Aren't we all tired of living someone else's life?
Shit, my diner is on fire!
Your diner is on fire? Did you ever put it out?
U.G. Krishnamurti was the one person that hit the dislike button. The only person that can debunk himself, I love this guy.
It is the universe fighting with itself, through us!
We are the universe discovering that we are the universe!
But at the same time, explain what universe is? Where did it start? where does it end? lol stop asking silly questions and just live!
Sounds like a Watts statement. Is there even a universe there or only a perception of a universe there?
Everybody would you just shut up here.
@@stevenmajewski3870 Thinking existence had to start shows how behind you still are. Thinking it is a silly question shows us your lack of intelligence and ability to resist the ego, knowledge, etc. Most humans are so bound to their animal nature that no wonder you cannot experience more than karmic cycles, memory. Sad existence really, but that is what your society, science etc has given you since your birth, and you probably love them for ruining your life and limiting it to such a tiny spectrum of existence and experience. It is a sure way to ensure you are always and forever left guessing who you are, thereby you don’t know what you are so trust in others who have ‘studied’ it tell you what you are and how to live what to eat and so on. You have a lot of trust in people that are just as confused and unsure of who they are in reality as you are and are only studying the misinformation of the past and attempting to apply it.
There's no universe
This guy saying we trying to listen to all the people we have faith in to give us solutions and none of them work. I'm here listening to this guy having faith that he's got some sort of idea that does work... The pursuit of seeking knowledge of the universe is in vain. The question of where thought comes from is made up by thought and we are trapped in thought essentially?
Learned a lot from him - how to question all my believes and to trust my physical nature.
Yes ug is great. the style of ug is that he falsify all statements of guru (j krishnamurthi, raman. ) by their style.
Listen, when I first found UG, I got extremely depressed. But now I don't give a fuck about anything. There is nothing. I don't know what to think, what to believe, or even what to say. I am lost and there is nothing.
Awbrfg55 my addiction is coming to end because of ug
Mishlove looks perplexed, like everyone who hears UG, totally a VOID on his face, like what the hell is this guy taking about.HAHAHAHAHAHA
HA. BOLLICKS
that's consciousness getting in the way
the sky is blue. therefore blue is the sky. ==> pleasure creates pain, therefore we like pain. Consciousness is just a state of mind with high mental energy. It is high energy because you drop every useless thought and world model and enter the moment. These thoughts and world models require energy. the create "formulas" to deal with the internal and external world. these formulas are not reality but a small description of it. letting go of it all, and gaining trust, we gain massive amounts of energy and focus. the same kind of energy that kills procrastination and the same kind of energy that diminishes when you are experiencing depression.
*Thank you so much! Love/Light.* ♥
so do you agree with ug
Well said
UG: Why are concerned about enlightenment at all?
Him: What else is there to do? :D :D :D :D
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You can only think about enlightenment and then, well, you think there is a you thinking …
"The search ends with the realization that there is no such thing as enlightenment." UG
But getting this realization is the hardest thing after all. "Word is not the thing".
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened.
Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened.
Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the etheric energies felt in the body I wonder...
@@MirageandReality The question is do you get those energies and feelings by searching for them? Longing for them? It seems like when we look to attain them we’re lost.
I love this interviewer, he is so genuine.
What about the interviewee ,?
Yes, he's very enthusiastic and truly wants to know
@@navinkunwarsinghkashyap510 for me it was disappointing. He's just like any westerner intellectualizing something that requiers to be lived and experienced and not just mental projections. He's legit about how the body function, but the it's clear that he's discredeting that which he doesnt know aka enlightenement.
@@YoussefEIdrissi that's a good explanation of U.G. He seems very lost and embracing of our human nature rather than seeking beyond
@@TheyBenefit he broke some part of his brain meditating, leading to his interpretation of existence as a kind of dissociative materialistic robotism...makes alex rosenberg seem warm and fuzzy...this is what drove nietschze nuts, this is the Abyss.
its like when sm ppl say "i cant feel god anymore??!!" when they are subjected to transcranial magnetic stimulation or some other brain manipulation, UG existed in a perpetual ketamine hole
He is saying same as a Advait Vedanti says but in a totally diametrically opposite language. Thats the beauty of Life. It produces seemingly opposites so perfectly like black and white, day and night. Marvellous are the ways of Life.
There isn't ONE single audio or video clip ( UG's own excluded) in the entire TH-cam as profound as this!
Just be yourself and don't "believe" anything. Accept everything as you see/experience it, and flow with/in it. Enlightenment is unnecessary.
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You got it man, haha respect...........thank you for this commnet
That interviewer thought this was an interview
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What haha I don't get it :P (still thought it was funny)
Lmaoo
""'''thought""""
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For wise man this is a method to awaken. Negate and falsify everything. Then find what is left out. He is like a true Zen master slapping his disciples:)
You can see on the light in his eyes that he is awake. This is also true for Jiddu. U.G. is fucking around with words to block the stupid mind of seekers, because their thoughts are their obsticle. Jiddu tried with logic to get the same effect. Both where beautiful but their effect on people was too limited because of their word (mind) approach instead of a heart approach. The same with most of the neo-advaita gurus. Many talks themselve to enlightenment, not seeing that they are in a trance of their own mind.
Their effect on people was too limited?:) Has anyone ever affected you? You are expecting the words of other to perform miracles, while you are slouching on your sofa.
Thank you professor
Both UG and Jiddu were anti gurus, they didn’t agree with being a guru. Heart approaches don’t need any path, you can just sit with nature , often the Bhakti cults use that no-mind approach to brainwash their followers.
@@MirageandReality Both UG and Jiddu where playing the game of being an anti guru, bur were acting as a guru (Jiddu more than UG). A real anti guru doesn't preach. I don't like the Bhakti cults. Real gurus with heart approaches are Ramakrishna, Neem Karoli Baba, Anandamayi Ma and to a certain extent also Ramana and Osho (before Sheela took over when he went to America).
@@DaiBei i agree that that jiddu wasnt perfect and was still playing a role of a guru but he was right in his ideas of belief, thought and authority. Osho was a goddam criminal and i agree with K on that. He had children in his ashram having sex with older people and he created sheela, he could have got rid of her. He created a system of robotic idiots that were willing to poison a town among other things. They all did what the crazy woman said because they were conditioned which is exactly what k spoke against.
UG is the only real physicist of the 20th century who based all his research on purely his empirical observations, and not on hypothetical concepts or imaginations.
In the end: "Even something as basic as the sense of touch, something we take so for granted, is really just another thought process." Wow! Hats off to u UG!
So, unless we empirically observe and understand this basic thought process of the sense of touch, our thinking will never allow us to experience UG's Calamity & Natural State?
Physics is objective. UG is more like a psychologist or a philosopher.
the road of enlightenment is paved with paradoxes
There is no road
shut up
Timothy Price sure if u say so
it is a paradox
There is no road, no enlightenment and no paradox. There is just one lazy thought.
"Not to think even when involved in thought."
We are phenomenon transitory illusionary and beyond our control....
Many prayers to this wise man, My Master Alone.
Enlightenment is not an experience...its just expericing..or you may it call beyond the experiences..only experiencer remains..in its totality..so all his talks are out of logic..and logic can not take you towords it which is beyond the logic..
U will hate everything that UG speaks of if you are not prepared to accept that everything u have believed thus far is not true.
Right! You have to be prepared to reject everything but not with the intention to get anything. That wouldn't be a total rejection.
Hahahahahaha
Hahahahahaha
The Self, The I, Thought, Soul, Enlightenment, Inkarnation, all is buried
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The same pleasure will turn into pain my friend
No one is perfect. UG repeatedly stated that he was not an enlightened man, but an ordinary man. So please if you will excuse his vulgarity and insensitivity. Also, I went to your channel, and you are still caught up in the paradigm of trying to achieve something which has been debunked long before UG himself articulated that debunking in his own particular way. So I am glad you have posted your comments demystifying UG and showing him for what he is and what all of us are: ORDINARY.
Self-realization as explained by Ramakrishna Parmahansa, Paramhansa Yogananda and other realised beings is the oneness of the Supreme Conciousness.
It is beyond thought and body. If you shut the thoughts and sensations you may just end up in a coma. That is not realization. That is just like death.
Bliss experienced when the mind is silent is not a "sensual" pleasure. In fact, it is not a pleasure at all, it is "nothing". It is similar to deep sleep, but with the awareness that you exist independent of space and time. In this state you can't find where you start and where you end, senses are not engaged, and there is just one thought - that there are no thoughts. This idea about limiting nothingness to sensuality comes mainly from western psychology (freud). But people who have in reality experienced deep restful states (aka "samadhi"') can discern.
This misunderstanding comes about when we try to understand subtle phenomenons (like thought & mind) intellectually. However, I do agree with him that a lot of nonsense business is taking place in the name of consciousness, bliss, happiness, and spirituality. I also agree that there is no such thing as enlightenment, mainly because I have seen the predatory nature of these so called enlightened spiritual gurus who sell enlightenment for their own personal benefits.
You ask me, Ashu, What was the first thing that you did after you became enlightened?
Laughter. And that’s the thing that I have been doing since then. I cannot laugh before you while telling jokes because that destroys the jokes, but I laugh through you.
Mario staggers into his favorite bar and asks for a triple scotch.
”What happened to you?” the bartender asks.
”I am fucking mad!” Mario says. ”It all started late last night. We had been working late and my secretary asked me to drive her home. When I turned on the ignition of my car, the key snapped off in my hand!”
”Oh, that would sure piss me off,” says the bartender.
”No, that didn’t get me mad,” says Mario. ”We just took a cab, went up to her apartment and ate a little snack she prepared. Then she asked me if I would like to lie down with her a while.”
”And then?” asks the enthralled bartender.
”Well,” continues Mario, ”as I unzipped my trousers my bloody fly got jammed and I couldn’t get my pants off!”
”Wow! That would really get me mad!” exclaims the bartender.
”Naw... That didn’t get me mad. We got into it soon enough, and there we were going at it good and strong when all of a sudden there was a key in the latch. ’Quick,’ she said, ’it must be my husband.
Hide!’ ”
”Now that’s a real piss-off!” says the bartender.
”No,” says Mario, ”that’s not what made me mad. I had to hide fast. In the cupboard and under the bed were obvious places, so I hung by my fingers out of the window. ’
”And then?” says the bartender.
”Well, the husband bursts in and yells, ’Where is that sonofabitch hiding?’ And without waiting for an answer he looks under the bed and in the cupboard and then he looks out of the window and sees me hanging by my fingers there with no clothes on.”
”And then?” says the bartender.
”Well, he runs to his cupboard and pulls out a nine iron from his golf bag and with a grin on his face jumps onto the window sill and starts teeing off on my finger-tips, one by one.”
”Jesus Christ! No wonder you are mad!” says the bartender.
”No! That’s not why I am mad!” says Mario. ”It was only when he got down to the last finger that I looked down and realized that I was only twelve inches off the ground! That’s why I am mad!”
- OshO
Theologia Mystica
Chapter #9
I Laughed
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One has to b tuned in to U.G's frequency to get what he's talking about.The more life experience one has the easier it is to resonate with what U.G is saying.From my point i get what he's saying just fine.Anyone who is in their 20s and listens to U.G,by the time that person reaches 50yrs of age they will have a whole new perception of human existence.Maybe even contrary to what U.G was saying when that person was 20yrs old.What I'm saying is human evolution includes evolution of the human brain as well.The way we use our brain today is different from the way we used our brain when we were first introduced to the use and control of fire.
Its the same i feel right from my childhood. The thoughts create the world which we live in. Its wonder how we feel we are always jailed in sorrows. See for example, can any mother identify her child when taken away at birth unseen.NO. Its the thought of love feeling for the child which makes her feel sad when something happens. there are lot of people who suffer and who die everyday, nobody cares, they care for their own people right. if you think its yours u feel. same with u. THERE IS NO YOU
U.G. Krishnamurti is trying to express his understanding of the way things are... Unfortunately, to me, he is failing to express the truth.
If you want the truth, here it is:
There is only One-Mega-Consciousness disguised as many-mini-consciousnesses. There is only One Past. One Present. One Future. One Self. One Fate. One Destiny. One Mind. One Choice. One Path. One God. ONE IS EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS ONE.
There can only ever be One. And it is me, and you, and everyone.
This "joker" pilfered much of the philosophy of his prattle from the deep metaphysical thought of the other Krishnamurti, once a former friend.
UG twisted Jiddu Krishnamurti's logic (especially on the concept of thought) to serve his own numb neo-Darwinist agenda.
Ironic that one Krishnamurti turned against another Krishnamurti to become the arch-rival.
Here's the difference between Jiddu and UG:
Jiddu was an adulterer as a supposed "enlightened man" who died in regret saying he wish he could go back and tell people to meditate so that he could see others become enlightened before he died. He died as an egotistical guru and died with regret.
UG died without any regret, always saying that he is ready to go at ANY MOMENT, and did not use women who sought him out for sexual purposes. UG didn't even charge people to listen to him speak like Jiddu did! Jiddu was a thief.
UG was a self-absorbed coward, who drank the 'hemlock' because he couldn't handle old age. Again, he gave nothing, but took much from life.
Jiddu was an 'adulterer' - hilarious, so the man fucked a married woman, who hasnt!
In fact you're' not a 'man' until you have fucked a married woman in my books.
Frankie, why are you so afraid of UG? Do you look at him and see your own future?
jackcarterog001 LMAO - my future is certainly not rosy by any 'stretch of the imagination'.
Though I hardly envision myself lying on a 'Groupie's' couch, shrivelled up like an over-cooked prawn spouting humbug over the futility of my life and that of everyone else.
At least I hope I wont...shudder....
In truth UG was little more than a circus-clown parasite, and he used his teleological / ontological (Im being very generous here) prattle to justify his parasitical life-style.
In other words: why should I give a flying fuck for my starving neighbour, we're all doomed to die and turn to dust, boo hoo...pass me another bowl of that yummy caviar Groupie!
Frankie Panaia UG gave $70,000 to a guy that came to see him because he was extremely destitute.
UG has always stated that if there is something he can do to help another human being, he would and he lived by those words.
The money he had he would give it out to those in need like the homeless, even at the criticism of those he was with. They would ask him why is he giving the homeless so much money whne all they're going to do is buy alcohol or drugs and UG said because it will hlep them forget their pain for a while.
UG was not a parasite. He was a good man.
After I heard the first few minutes of this interview, I thought that U. G. Krishnamurthi's ideas were comparable to (basic or early) Buddhism. Later in the interview, UGK says there is no way out of the concomitance of knowledge and consciousness. Thus he seems to hold a form of materialism. There were sages with similar view at the time of the Buddha called Lokavata/Carvata. Buddhism, however, takes a (skeptical) position between essentialism and nihilism. UGK ideas appear to be commensurate with what is called "eliminative materialism," one of the theories in the (western) philosophy of mind.
ug ...un grand humain ...qui m'a marqué en tant qu'homme "ordinaire "que de chaleur se dégageait !!!sans flons flons
+Robert Morris UGK 4 LIFE! RIP PIMP
+Robert Morris
At least it is more consequent with the thought of no self. Because a no self cant be enlightened or seek for it. Who suffer? Freed from what? Buddhism is quite contradictory.
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@@jamesjackson5020 heh good one
I think I get it. Hard to put in words, but he's a genious.
You cannot be free if you keep yourself stuck in concepts like gurus or enlightenment.
I still think you have to have the questioning journey (Krishnamurti prob would disagree) to be free, but there comes time when you have to let go of the tools too.
oh no! A genius knows sufference but he keeps apart from. This is real geniality. Salavdor Dalì, exampling, was a fucking genius.
@@dariusus9870 for sure, but He got his part of sufference
@@dariusus9870 Suffering is the only truth...existance has no meaning and no purpose. There is no heaven or hell or afterlife..everything blacks out once we die.
I suffered through the 'calamities' of U.G. In fact they still go on occasionally. Let me say this. I've looked behind all the doors and traveled or overlooked all the paths. U.G. seems to have the final word on these things. I first heard his message when "it" all started but I couldn't quite accept it. Seems I had to go looking and knocking and experiencing by myself. It's all b.s. You don't want 'enlightenment'. Not like I've experienced. Not like U.G. experienced. Just enjoy life and stop asking.
UG was a walking K-hole
My favorite dog is barking :)
This dog barks nicely and truly
Figure out some way to actually understand what he’s speaking about. Don’t display your misery through your words against someone else
@@chintamanivivek you didn't understood my comment bro this comment was expression of my true love for UG
It's just that we don't understand him our mind is not capable of such profound knowledge.
Or chizo ko dekhna ka nazariya badlo or badaho ek hi box me secluded mat rho zindai bhar
Wow I'm lost for words
"I WANT TO BE ENLIGHTENED!"... oh, what an unselfish statement...
UG's looks are Grace and Elegance personified! UG's words are fluidity solidified!
The whole idea of Enlightenment is absurd. But in the West we have always to be chasing rainbows, and Enlightenment is just another such rainbow. My advice to those who seek is to stop seeking, and to accept themselves as they are.
as 'who' they are.
Pollyanna Pangloss
of course there isn't any glory, people want to feel special and better and feel more empowered than people in actual power, therefore they want to feel eenlightened, such a sweet subconscious process they went through
true!! :) so simple
Would have to disagree.
Enlightenment is nothing more than taking responsibility for what you create moment to moment at the thinking, feeling and acting levels. Do that well for a long enough period of time and you began to have experiences that most of humanity can't yet due to not yet having mastered their own thinking, feeling and acting.
ug was very adamant about what he would tell others. people from
all over the world came to see him. some just to try and find answers
as if he were some enlightened one. but ug insisted that the demand
for clarity was what was responsible for all the confusion. he said
things that aggravated a lot of people too, he debunked their lifetime
beliefs in a matter of minutes. he is often referred to as the great debunker
🙏No words could.. nor explanation could.. Reveal God.. Be still..listen.. Truth lS in Silence..Silence Speaks..The unKnown lS unfotold..💖
th-cam.com/video/t_OplVoCXFw/w-d-xo.html reality of ug krishnamurti
this interviewer deserves respect hes at least understanding something from what UG is saying
We are trapped by our own thought. We create our own reality then are trapped in it. So we can never see beyond that.
Enlightenment is a dog taking a dump. :)
woof
or a cat!
?????trop intellectuel
or a woman
*****
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U.G. thinks he knows everything and everyone else is wrong. "Learn to say 'I don't know' and you will progress." (Maimonides)
Valus UG doesn’t think, It’s you who are thinking.
you experience it too,you just enjoy this style of a guru,your a rebel to the cause you are so aware of,.you are quality to listen too,and jiddu,i love yee both
This fellow is a luny who has no answers to any issue but simply questions everything. Because he denies everything he has no solutions and looks totally confused and has caught himself in his knickers. He is like the lunatics in an asylum that keep blabbering meaninglessly. Feel sorry for this anchor !!
True spiritual teachers do not want us to follow them, they want us to see for ourselves. The day you can take them or leave them is the day they've had some success. There are no answers in the conventional sense - answers become unnecessary when the questions dissolve. And the questions dissolve when we realize the minds inability to give us a logical answer to spiritual questing. So many people commenting on U.G. Krishnamurti's personality, you are missing the point; maybe you don't like him, that is fine... and totally irrelevant to any true spiritual teachings.
I believe that many people here don't accept UG's statements simply because they know he's right. Not ready to accept brutal truth.
+Alessandro Vaccari Same case with philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer. The good fellow is put down as a pessimist. Bullshit if you ask me. He only speaks the truth
+Alessandro Vaccari No, they just don't understand him. But a lot of things he says are highly debatable to say the least. His concept of pleasure and enlightenment are flawed. I believe this was before the major developments in neurosciences came about.
+wiremessiah He doesn't speak truth, the only people that speak truth are empirical scientists. He puts an artistic and colorful patina on philosophy and abstractions. I think by his own admission there is no truth to speak.
2010cyberguy
But we can have useful myths and illusions. Even if we know them, just like the placebo effect, which has been proven to work even when the person knows it's placebo. Life is all about the journey, not the destination, because that's only death. But walking on the right path to nowhere is better than the wrong path to nowhere. By "right' i mean the most fulfilling, artistic, lovely, creative, beautiful flower lined path to nowhere.
2010cyberguy
Greatness comes from the perception of greatness. Many people considered great were personally depressed and neurotic or sick. But believe it or not, I think Donald Trump has convinced himself of greatness, even through pure delusion, which says a lot about belief and perception.
Someone that says he is the "great super genius of all time" has to believe it, otherwise there is no way they would say it, because if they were not delusional. they'd know no one would take it seriously. Interestingly enough, though, since he does believe it, many of his base does as well, which is self-fulfilling.
This is something I have pondered and struggled with in life.
Are you supposed to be honest, humble, or braggadocios? I have found in life that when I believe something about myself, like my ability as a musician, others believe it by osmosis. But often if someone praises my work, I get humble about it, and that starts to infect my perception. I even played the same piece for two different people. The first time, was right after I made it, and I was excited about it and the freshness of it, and it rubbed off on the guy listening, who loved it. Later I was more critical of it, because I realized I could do it better. And I played it for another guy with the same tastes, and my disappointment rubbed off on him and he was less than impressed. I would have chalked it up to just two different people in different moods, but i find this kind of thing happens all the time.
Rappers have no problem with this, because they are always over the top with the hype and the swagger, and it works. They don't have self esteem problems at least.
So I am thinking I need to just call myself the "great super genius musician of all time" and believe it.
Not only does this "enlightened" being has no way of telling if they are "enlightened" or not... but also, they don't even care to know what that means.
UG is the only drug I crave.
And you still believe in Islam
@@indianagency7538try to look past the name perhaps
@@hussaindaud1260 Not just the name, look at his attire.
@@indianagency7538 oh boy. I think you're right.
@@indianagency7538 Hahaha he is using UG as a tool to question us.
we seem to be here for someone elses pleasure, i do not see enlightenment here, just pain. Life here does not bring happiness,we all suffer and will die in pain and fear to one degree or another.their are no gimmicks or a way to escape this life ,that is what the false religious teachers offer ,escape from this life of pain but for your money and your oun mind,
I think what U.G. really is trying to say is that without the knowledge, information and concepts we have gathered (which in essence are thoughts/thought patterns) we have no way of seperating ourselves from what we call "thoughts", and without all the mental concepts we cannot say that there is something called a thought. What we are left with is what we call "life". These words of course don't actually mean anything, they are only pointers. There's no doubt that life is some "thing", but once we try to explain it with thoughts, concepts, knowledge through language we have already distorted it massively. With what we call "thoughts" we are only able to dissect the world, but that doesn't say anything about it, it has nothing to do with it.
Someone who is enlightened can be in a state where there is no "thought", and can therefore not dissect anything and everything seems to be one thing. From here, what you call as thought and what you call yourself cannot be seperated, and those two don't exist in this context.
Same thing goes with experience. For experience to have any meaning you have to have some "thing" to experience and you have to have someone who is experiencing that thing, a reciever. If you do not use any thought or any knowledge that you have gathered, you have no way of saying that there is some external world and you are experiencing it, because everything becomes one and you are basically the experience and the experiencer at the same time.
I know this may sound very stupid, but words and sentences are only pointers to what I really mean.
May I ask where exactly he was saying that without thoughts we can't separate ourselves from thoughts? The experiencer is the experienced as whatever you think of the table is your thought about the table, therefore you, not the table itself. Does it change anything about the actual existence of the table and you? No it doesn't.
Isn't he just arguing against current Hindu beliefs?
"Thought" is a loose term, without the word "table" it would still be, we just wouldn't have a word for it and so nothing much to think about, and you'd still have to walk around it.
One "thought" that everyone is really good at is over-analyzing everything.
It has in roots into aspects such as Ignosticism and Non-Cognitivism.
He just wants to say , I looked everywhere and found nothing so stop asking questions because you will find nothing too , just live the way you want suitable
They aren't different. U.G was a wannabe J.
Gibberish.
I'm glad I finished watching that cause I got him at the end. My question is; What would an enlightened Buddhist say to this man? Despite Buddhists normally having a practice I think the enlightened Buddhist would agree with UG. He would continue teaching his practice but he would also agree with UG.
True, unfortunately buddhism is too much oriented on tradition and organisation, so it destroys the very essence on what they are teaching.
There's no such thing as an enlightened buddhist, because to be enlightened means to be free from labels, to be simply a wholly / complete sane human being, or not even that, simply to be. Beingness.
Buddhism ends up being the same as all religions, because what happened with it is the same thing that happened with christianity and probably islam.
People who don't understand what Jesus etc said and truly meant and so went on to do what crazy humans do.
@@2000yearOldYogiAspirant I mostly agree, but partially because I question if enlightenment exists at all. I think it is just an idea created by culture, it does not exist outside of culture. Imagine if we had no concept of enlightenment, would it still exist? How? How could something be natural, innate, if it needs lessons, a model, something to strive for? From certain peoples perception, be they the being who is perceived as enlightened or that being itself, it exists because the idea exists, but the idea itself is a human made construct.
I lashed out. Deal with it. There is no need to be kind. The problem is that mankind is desperately trying to be one thing. "GOOD". That is the source of our misery. As long as we try to be "GOOD" we will only be evil. There will always be chances to lash out, slip up, murder, cheat, lie, steal, and wreak havoc. I do not wish you well, I also do not wish you harm. Whatever happens to you is your own business.
We have both evil n goodness
Lack of a social life brought me here....😂😂
isloated from herd of sheeps 😇 you are a lion.
@@beantmander lol.. that would be an insult to the lion... 😂
jeffrey mishlove changed SO MUCH!! Is it the same guy?
this is actually pretty good. I like how he connected consciousness to the physical through the hidden "awareness" dimension
Did he?
He did do it...quite the clever man...he's so interesting though some people put him down. i end up listening to him and he makes me feel better. Wish I could have been with him when he was alive. At least we have these wonderful interviews.
He is constantly switching definitions. For instance first he says you are already enlightened, what he means by that is that right now you are already your true self, which is true but you are not enlightened because you do not realize yourself to be the true self. You still act according to the ego, you are still completely ruled by the material world so it cannot be said that you are enlightened at all.
Notice also that he starts off with a mindset of disproving all that the interviewer says, that's already how he is going to conduct this conversation so it doesn't matter what the interviewer says Krishna will try to find a way to wiggle himself into a position as to stand against what the interviewer says.
In other words he doesn't accept the definitions of the interviewer instead he says they are false and then carries on the conversation under HIS definitions, and he changes them at will when he needs it.
I'm not at all convinced by this guy, Iv had my glimpse at "enlightenment" and I know when people talk from this state, and of course he could be enlightened but to me he has not a single element pointing to that.
Enlightenment is profoundly simple all this stuff you just wrote was made by the mind, to you it looks complicated but in actuality it isn't at all.
To be enlightenment does not mean that there are no thoughts anymore, it is simply the realization that the self/ego is not who we are but that we are that which has always been.
First of all, you haven't had a glimpse of anything but your own imagination.
Secondly, UG never switched definitions. His point is always that any movement in any direction is what prevents the human organism from expressing itself without the stranglehold of thought.
You seem to know a lot. UG would say, when all that knowledge you cling to and use to generate all your experiences in life, including the "glimpses", are totally flushed out of your system, what will be left is the natural state.
You and your knowledge and your experiences are the only thing standing in the way of TRUE enlightenment.
We are IT, IT is, IT will be, It was, and IT is now. We can't be separate from IT. For better or worse or in-between, we make IT what IT IS NOW.
See talks between bohm and j krishnamurti you will enjoy them a lot
Very profound message
Thanks so much, for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿.
There's nothing to be learnt as it is a contradiction to expect to ''learn"'. Albert Einstein, said it like this: Reality, (as we experience it), is an illusion being created by the mind/thought. Our reality is made of language\thoughts. Our thoughts are our obstacle. We have no way of separating ourselves from what we call "thoughts", and without all the mental concepts, we cannot say that there is something called a thought. Words of course don't actually mean anything, they are only pointers. There's no doubt that life is some "Reality" everlasting, but once we try to explain it with thoughts, concepts and through language, we have already distorted it massively. If we do not use any thought or any knowledge that we have gathered, we have no way of saying that there is some overarching happening that we are experiencing it, because all there exists is One and we are basically part and parcel of it at the same time.
1:42 Anyone else think this guy looks like Snape from the Harry Potter series?
It often seems that Krishnamurti, like many Indian 'mystics', never seems to give straight answers, and instead sorta talks around the question. Like the way "do you believe we have a soul that continues after death?", turns into an extended lecture on the nature of Thought. Which is fine, but never actually answers the question.
An alternate title to this interview could be "Is there such a thing as enlightenment at all?" (6:04) I feel the exploration of this question is perhaps the most important contribution of this interview.
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the energies felt in the body I wonder...
@@MirageandReality Good question. There are examples of self-proclaimed "enlightened" Gurus turning out to be frauds and manipulators. However, you are asking, are ALL gurus manipulators? Not sure. Is it possible that this has multiple perspectives? When a vortex in a river carrying a feeling of being independent realizes that it never was separate from the river, from the vortex's perspective is it significant? from the river's perspective is it significant? Like you say, if the effort to outsmart the other or be successful subsides, wouldn't the energy shift? Possible.
12:54 Silence moment lol.
fascinating guy ... good interview
Seems like any time you disagree with this guy, people just say you don't understand him.
que buen video.desde argentina, buenos aires , los saludo a todos los amantes de U.G.
When UG speaks, every sentence contradicts the one before, yet he's always engaging.
haha..."Vikas Thakur:
I am nowhere qualified enough to assess anyone enlightened but this guy is not enlightened"
How's that for 'controdiction' Vikas?
But fear not Vikas, you and UG (guess he is dead now, doesnt matter) can both comforth yourselves in this: :D
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.
Walt Whitman
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There Is Neither Enlightenment, Nor No Enlightenment. -- Buddha.
This is the purest nonsense.
Nonsense, is there anything exist such like purest nonsense!
Nonsense is a profound truth
Hmmm...the enlightened have no interest in the unenlightened, unless they have had a few glasses of wine. Cheers.
U have travelled far to reach ug. Here ends everything else, But still that's not the end, it's the beginning of another journey and in other words another misery.... In short in the words of ug, there's " NO WAY OUT"
If you're here, I'd recommend discovering Ramana Maharshi. "no mind; no enlightenment; no liberation".
Eventually you would find Adi Shankara, but he might be too "exotic" for the beginner. :)
seems like post-modern philosophy. im pretty sure ug was well studied in the western & eastern philosophical traditions, as i often feel like hes drawing upon things other philosophers like kierkegaard, nietzsche, heidegger, schopenhauer etc. have said. He may not like that fact or deny it and say all philosophy is worthless, but he is practising exactly that: building a structure of thought
Read: Ashtavakra Samhita
why do you wanna get rid of an illusion?
Anyone who has grievously suffered in their life, knows they are alive and has "experienced their bodies".
Go without food for 10 days and you will "experience your body". Face down a gun barrel and you will know you are alive when confronted with death.
Sit on your fanny for 50 years prattling pseudo ontology as did UG then yes you begin to question whether you are alive.
UG's largest but certainly unoriginal claim that "thought invented the metaphysical" is his point of view. One must ask the question how indeed did "thought" invent something which according to UG doesnt exist?
He's very wrong of course. The universe is vastly more complex and metaphysical than UG would have you believe. Unfortunately we do persist beyond...
UG would say that you are that suffering. The physical body itself does not grievously suffer; it is the demand for the pain to stop, even when it can't, that creates the suffering.
UG would say that the hunger tantrums stop within a few days and the body starts using it's reserves up as it dies with grace. You are the one demanding that you eat even though there is no food, anywhere. It is the resistance to the fact that you are going to starve to death that creates the misery in you. The body can die in peace. You can't, because you are inseparable from your misery. You are that misery, so you take the physical pains of starvation and turn it into an experience that is tethered to it and that experience.
UG would say that because thought doesn't exist, then anything it comes up with does not exist either. Right now, we have so much abstract information about the universe and ourselves that we can begin to really speculate. But no matter what the thought is, it is just an abstraction and the moment that abstraction touches life, it will be finished. UG said that thought touching reality is very dangerous and is not something that can be wanted.
UG's point regarding the universe is that we don't know a damn thing about it and everything we've learned up until now hasn't helped us one bit and is actually putting us on course to destroying all life on this planet. Knowing cannot touch reality according to UG.
UG would say that the only thing that persists is the body as it breaks itself down to create new life. That body went through hell for 14.7 billion years to get here will continue on for trillions and trillions of years to come. You, on the other hand, well..................... lights out.
UG isn't denying existence or senses. Being alive is all we know and have ever known, so defining our existence as being alive is meaningless. He's not trying to be deep or metaphysical, he's just trying to explain things as simply and clearly as possible.
do you not find him amusing
not really, more dull than anything else
Frankie Panaia Yet you keep coming back for more UG.
Be honest with yourself, Frankie.
UGK is the Richard Dawkins of India.
I sometimes wonder if UG is trapped by language. I want to see him speak in a language other than English.
I don't see him trapped by language at all. He talked and went on endlessly contradicting his own statements. This is what he was, a living example that took all concepts away and replaced them with nothing. This of course, could be quite scary for those who were really vested in any particular concept and/or way of thinking. They were left to free fall and reject him or free fall only to realize they were okay and that they could fall and get up and walk away.
***** Thank you.
+shri u We are all trapped by language. And the word which we are most trapped by is enlightenment. Let's forget it.
+Michael Roland Peel For me the word is "how".
This is the mind which demand for the permance, a concept again. Love you UG.
although I have commented harshly on him before, he does have some good points. RIP
The final answer is: there is no answer. Now let us rest - in thoughts of contentment.
Notice the tsunami of people declaring themselves to be enlightened; every other person is now a spiritual teacher or "therapist," conducting internet businesses, selling how-to recipes, retreats. What is humility?
He who knows doesn't talk....
+Fazia A You've got it. UG would be proud of you.
+Derek Rawlins Thanks for commenting.
But friend, if everyone who knows didnt teach it, how would anyone learn?
+ Namaste.
It's allegory. Tao Te Ching. The true teacher will "direct" to the Guru within?
+Fazia A So you mean to tell me that this guys know nothing because he talk? And so do you?
He's right , the world is a great stage , so choose your character and play it well :)
I remember watching part of this series on Thinking allowed on GA public
television when it first aired. There is actually a book compiled of guests who
appeared on the show by J. Mishlove out there. Transcripts of Ug's conversation are in the book. I still have it, bought it Soo long ago.
can you imagine a show like this would be on tv everyday ? would solve so much world problems... :(
@@MO-gf6hu you still think there is a problem,. you should watch it over.
this message is for you.
not someone else
after dwelling sometimes i am nearing close to understand that the thoughts is indeed the time , space and sensation and without the thoughts the body does not have any identification at all..how AMAZING..THANKS UG AND OTHER NON DUAL SPEAKERS.
No words for this man. I love him ❤
If you have such a hairstyle, your ego has not died. That much is certain.
Try the 'real' Krishnamurti, who was Jiddu, not U.G.
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Ned , "If you have such hairstyle, you ego has not died". AGREE :)
no light will come if you are a brainless follower , there is no search give up and enjoy the now
UG: Why are we concerned with enlightenment at all?
Jeffrey: Well, what else is there to do?
Ahahah amazing answer, lovely XD Jeffrey you are the best!
These guys must have to go to school somewhere to figure out how to be as obtuse as possible ...
In the end there is Nothing you can achieve,And when you realise this you have achieved Everything! Yet Nothing!
U.G. Krishnamurti, a deeply troubled individual. My kind of guy
I don't know much by him, but listening to this -- It sounds like he's intensely dealing with the ultimate reality and might be confusing people by conflating ultimate and conventional truths. This is a bit of an old school consideration. I would point people to Ken Wilber's Integral theory framework to make sense of it. Yes, there is a formless, thoughtless state of reality, but yes we also have to work on our conventional psychological development. We need to wake up, AND grow up. Dancing and playing with that paradox is important. He seems fixated on the ultimate and comes off as kind of an abrasive guy. Definitely an imbalance or excess. And now.. silence... ;)
I think that is great and things like meditation help us get to that state of nonduality. But there is also the conventional world of form that needs tending to as well.
There is no imbalance here. The topic is enlightenment, not psychology. UG asserts that all fields of thought are false. Whatever interests someone within those fields of thought is a different topic altogether.
UG isn't talking about the spirit or the ultimate or psychology. You're the one who's interested in those things and if you want to deal with a theory that involves them all combined together then that's fine.
"Yes, there is a formless, thoughtless state of reality..."
UG is not saying there is any such thing and he's not condoning meditating or doing anything to try to bring about such a reality.
Michael Paone
is nonduality a state?
It's a reality, but it takes a state of consciousness to perceive it directly. In everyday waking consciousness, its impossible to maintain. But we can access it through things like meditation.
U..G.is logical and clear in his ideas of spirituality