How to Play a Magnificent Bastard WITHOUT Needing Maxed IRL Charisma

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  • @garrettsweet9826
    @garrettsweet9826 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +347

    TFS Cell is an incredible pull for the sample, love that.

    • @garrettsweet9826
      @garrettsweet9826 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Hey, Jay's Wife, listen. You're great. I love the sass, it sparks joy.
      But I do keep coming back for the empathy and the analysis, soooooooo today Jay wins.

    • @spidey5558
      @spidey5558 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It's ironic because he's not considered one on TV Tropes

  • @jinxtheunluckypony
    @jinxtheunluckypony 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +301

    I tried to do this once. One of the major villains of my last campaign was obsessed with perfection so she was always polite and brutally efficient in combat. I got the players genuinely terrified of her but the campaign fizzled out due to scheduling conflicts before they got to break her facade.

    • @aomniunit3985
      @aomniunit3985 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      Ah, the bane of all campaigns. Schedule conflicts

    • @GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz
      @GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Roll 10d20 emotional damage. Cry😢

  • @analyticsystem4094
    @analyticsystem4094 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +383

    I can definitely see a character like Sukuna from jujutsu Kaisen to fit this trope. He’s charismatically selfish, always one step ahead, and devastatingly powerful. He even cares about the Mc in his own twisted way, and fights to measure others strengths against his own

    • @PlayYourRole
      @PlayYourRole  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

      Oh you are absolutely spot on, part of me is sad I didn't think about that when writing this script.

    • @commonviewer2488
      @commonviewer2488 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Care in the sense that they don't care either way about anyone else, but actually hates our mc

    • @analyticsystem4094
      @analyticsystem4094 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@commonviewer2488 Caring for someone doesn’t always have to be positive. Sukuna hates Yuji, he just cares in a negative way

    • @beywheelzhater8930
      @beywheelzhater8930 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Will say I do feel like Sukuna becomes a worse example of this further into the manga. The scenes where he shows his respect becomes less and less meaningful overall, that underlining sense of charisma and his own twisted sense of honor becomes less impactful.
      In the final battle, it feels like they are trying to simultaneously treat it like Sukuna and Yuji’s connection matches the foil that was Mahito while also barely putting in the work to sell it in a way that outmatches Mahito. The “I’m you” pulled in each battle have staggering differences in how much impact they impart upon the reader mainly since JJK fails to really sit down and delve into the parts of Sukuna’s character besides his strength save for brief glimpses like when he invaded Jogo’s afterlife (IMO the peak of Sukuna’s characterization)
      For that reason, I’d say the best examples of this trope from JJK are Mahito and Geto

    • @Plazmasoldier
      @Plazmasoldier 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beywheelzhater8930it definitely started to fall apart once the showdown began.

  • @Crocogator
    @Crocogator 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +275

    As a PC, I think an important part is to NEVER lose the arrogance. Make it clear out of character what you're doing though.
    If things go according to your plan? Perfect.
    If you get thumped and have to be saved by a party member? Well, you were smart to trust them.
    If everything goes to absolute crap? Not your fault!

    • @farkasmactavish
      @farkasmactavish 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Unless losing the arrogance is part of your character's growth arc. :>

    • @Crocogator
      @Crocogator 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@farkasmactavish Oh absolutely

    • @benpurcell4935
      @benpurcell4935 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@farkasmactavishI agree and it should also be noted that it doesn’t mean the character can’t still carry an aloof type of personality.

    • @farkasmactavish
      @farkasmactavish วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@benpurcell4935 I don't agree. More often than not, aloofness is a symptom of arrogance. If you are sufficiently arrogant, you necessarily see yourself as better than, and therefore separate from, those around you. And so you become detached. Aloof.

    • @benpurcell4935
      @benpurcell4935 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@farkasmactavish There’s a difference between being completely aloof and slightly aloof is like there’s just that hint of arrogance that comes out every so often. Someone can be aloof but isn’t completely detached from reality. There are plenty of characters that come off as aloof but are well aware of their surroundings. Aloof is just a state of being distant but that doesn’t mean a character has to be constantly that way. You could think of it like mood swings. That’s just my take at least.

  • @erikwilliams1562
    @erikwilliams1562 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    Im a simple man.
    I see Mr. Perfect Cell.
    I click.
    Honestly even DBZA Frieza was an almost likeable bastard

  • @themanysirs1814
    @themanysirs1814 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Honestly "The table must like your character even if their characters do not" is oddly pretty consistently good advice to give. Like, in a lot of scenarios of party friction I mean.

  • @15-HM-A1-L
    @15-HM-A1-L 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +64

    I had a villain once that was the bbeg who originally disguised himself as a normal old dude who would only ever interact with one of the players who he thinks would be the most susceptible when they were alone and away from the party. He spent the whole time just talking to that player about the their experiences while also discussing their views of them trying to warp their thoughts without using any spells or skill checks. Willing to both criticize and support some of their views, even ones he didn’t agree with. Over the course of the campaign, if he trusted or thought he could, he would attempt slowly get them to understand who he was and understand his views to get him on their side, using his time as their confidant against them. Eventually trying subtlety get the player to be loyal to him over the party with a genuine want to have them on his side. And should they divert as planned he uses everything he knows about them over the course of the campaign to deconstruct them completely.

    • @RedFurios13
      @RedFurios13 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Soooo... basically Palpatine from Star Wars

    • @user-ug6cx4ji9f
      @user-ug6cx4ji9f 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Yes, Palpatine played properly, through the animated series.
      An optimum telepath with a super- doctorate in psychology.
      Look up" foundations and empire", similar idea.
      Sounds awesome!

    • @15-HM-A1-L
      @15-HM-A1-L 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@RedFurios13 lol I’m now seeing it

  • @JackIntoGaming4721
    @JackIntoGaming4721 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +144

    To be fair Takahada(I don't know his irl name) voice of Perfect Cell and Alucard Abridge has that smooth voice.
    So it's not just, the character has to act the part but so does their voice actor.
    I think in a party of heroes it can work, you just gotta make sure the other players are aware and give them those moments and pray the dice is on your side.
    It's not a easy thing to do. But when it comes together it is awesome 😎.

    • @Crocogator
      @Crocogator 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The other players being aware is the most important part. If you're going to do a concept that normally grates in a regular part, make sure it's above board out of characters.
      As far as Takahata goes, it's easy to find his real name, but out of respect to his wishes, I recommend not looking it up.

    • @dux5525
      @dux5525 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He also plays Borky the Orc in the Unexpectables DND group (it's on TH-cam, just search "Unexpectables DND") who is Charismatic and Dumb, because Orcs are dumb trope. He even does the impossible, gets taught how to read later on in the campaign.

  • @giantsbane2475
    @giantsbane2475 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    A good example of this trope, I think, is Donquixote Doflamingo. He did have all the plans, all the power, and all the knowledge. He had the charisma and intelligence to not only take over, but lead an entire country. The only reason things started to go wrong was because of the Strawhats and their sudden and unexpected actions. He knew they wanted to destroy the SMILE factory, but as soon as they went off script and started to save the people of Dressrosa, making alliances with other groups and generally being themselves, it threw Doflamingo for a complete loop.

  • @brennonlewis
    @brennonlewis 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    I just saw Overly Sarcastic Productions video on this character trope so this is perfect timing

  • @DavidShgo
    @DavidShgo 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    I like trope talks, especially about the ones I get to use as a GM. Please make more of these.

  • @serketenglish5963
    @serketenglish5963 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    Team Four Star is so good at what they do, lol. The magnificent bastards.

  • @lukasz88888888
    @lukasz88888888 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    I just realized that my last character fits the criteria you present, but he is not an antagonist towards the party. He is simply a rogue who liked to cause mischief, was good at stealing and spying, irritated the characters and people he met, but when the wizard who was the leader of the party, the rogue took control. Suddenly it turned out that without the highest charisma or intelligence in the party, he can keep everyone in line and still effectively talk to the higher-ups. He pulls the bard out of depression after the wizard broke her heart by leaving. He controlled the antics of the barbarian, who always did something unimaginably stupid. He missed the moment when the group of traitors manipulated the ranger, but was able to react quickly and give orders to everyone in the party to stop the tragedy. Or maybe it's a different archetype?

    • @kelmirosue3251
      @kelmirosue3251 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Was he still arrogant tho?

  • @TheNaturalnuke
    @TheNaturalnuke 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I’ve played a magnificent bastard successfully before, as a sergeant in the army of an irregulars unit (pcs + 8npcs). And I played him as a coward, not in the fearful way, but in the Ciaphas Cain way of ‘the better my troops are the more people are between me and the enemy’, and ‘if the line breaks we’re all gonna die, so I’ll plug the gap’.
    He consistently gets through battles near spotless but still contributing, setting up party members to have their moments ‘Hawke, we need to kill that wizard!’, yet out of battle will throw his weight around to ensue his group has all the best camp spots, extra rations, etc

  • @Regunes
    @Regunes 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The difficulty is why I prefer his little brother : The megalomaniac Henchman. Because you can wave any shortcomming of intelligence or charisma by typical boss-henchman relationship or just pure fanatism.

  • @zildrielgold8350
    @zildrielgold8350 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    My spongebob brainrot is getting worse, im hearing plankton's voice in Perfect Cell

  • @shaethefox8730
    @shaethefox8730 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    I think handsome jack from borderlands fits quite well in this troupe

    • @dravendarkplays9607
      @dravendarkplays9607 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Man just annoys me

    • @johnfolmer5412
      @johnfolmer5412 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@dravendarkplays9607 really? Would you care to elaborate why? I don't generally see people who dislike Jack cause he's highly regarded as far as villains go so I'd love to hear your thoughts on him

  • @jbwolf4
    @jbwolf4 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Great video! I think it’s important to note that charisma comes in many different forms, and if you’re not quick on the draw with snazzy one liners as a player, that being a strong silent type is it’s own form of charisma as well.

  • @Rechanmole
    @Rechanmole 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One thing I noticed about Cell is how much Cell is having fun. I think that's part of the appeal too, he's enjoying himself.

  • @srvfan17
    @srvfan17 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Love this concept tbh, I wanna play something like it in the future
    Btw everyone wish Jay a happy birthday bc it's today! Happy birthday Jay! I'm forever grateful to have you as a player at my table, and I'm so glad your channel is something you love and have found success in. Also
    Engagement

  • @theermac6024
    @theermac6024 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Another good example of this is Senator Armstrong from MGR. 20 minutes of screentime, yet the main attraction and some of the most memorable characters ever

  • @baloobrand
    @baloobrand 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    DBZA refs instead of DBZ is golden.

  • @relariis_the_paradox
    @relariis_the_paradox 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Props for the TFS DBZA Perfect Cell example. TFS HUA Alucard also fits this trope (we love you Curtis). But I feel the epitome of this trope is Gilgamesh from Fate. There are so many reasons to hate him as a character, but he's such a magnificent bastard in charisma, intelligence, and power that it's hard to hate scenes he's in. But it's definitely a hard balance, especially for PCs. I know, because I tried playing Gilgamesh in a one shot for the lols but it didn't work in that setting between 1) bad rolls that night, 2) so little time to get to know the character and 3) no session 0 conversation.
    Also even in a campaign setting where your table is fine with it, this is a harder trope for PCs at an optimizer table; if everyone is bringing power gamer builds with few-to-no weaknesses to the table, it's hard to stand out as a specialist or as having a presence unless you are the face of the party. A lot of the presence you get from magnificent bastard characters is your contrast to the rest of the cast, so if every character is comparably capable (many optimizers make high dpr ranged weapon/control spell builds), you can easily lose the aspect of magnificent bastard that is standing out as a capable combatant. Just some things to keep in mind for people who want to play these characters.

  • @demonderpz7937
    @demonderpz7937 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My current character is an “all skill build” who is not the most competent character in the party, but is really hard to deal with in the right circumstances. He is a changeling who started with 18 dex, 18 charisma, and 16 intelligence but his strength, con, and wisdom are all 12s or 13. The gm gave us all homebrew magic items at the start, and mine is glamoured studded leather armor that lets me learn tool proficiencies by studying and copying craftsman for at least an 8 hour shift. I went scout rogue x + lore bard 4 levels and a single level dip into divine soul sorcerer for bless, guidance, shield and absorb elements. Mix that with enhance ability and detect thoughts, you have a shapeshifting mastermind character with proficiency in all skills and the potential to be proficient in all crafts after taking the skilled and skill expert feats. With a mixture of lower level casting, survivability, mobility, and the ability to be anyone anywhere in any culture (I went the anthropologist background to learn languages faster) he has great potential for mischief or heroics, and displays both with frequency

  • @Tr0lliPop
    @Tr0lliPop 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    1:13 DID I JUST HEAR LAZYPURPLE?!

    • @taylorhewson8995
      @taylorhewson8995 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Oh yes you did

    • @STINKERMCGEE
      @STINKERMCGEE 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I wonder how lazerpoople is doing now.

  • @Naoki00
    @Naoki00 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So as a Pathfinder 1e player this can be a little easier on the stats department with traits (small flavor bonuses each character gets 2 of at creation). Combining some will let you use your Intelligence on your social skill checks instead of Charisma. Currently planning a build like that and it’s been great.
    For dnd 5e, introducing something similar should be possible

  • @arthurdias6860
    @arthurdias6860 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    1:18 OSP MENTIONED

  • @djmagichat1721
    @djmagichat1721 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I actually have kind of a fun idea for my PC in my current campaign, and this was exactly what I needed to be able to describe it perfectly.
    The campaign is set in a unique universe our DM created himself. Since I play an elf, I learned their origin story in this universe well before anyone else did: the elves are actually an insanely advanced species, to the point of putting colonies on other worlds across the stars. They are literally spacefaring. On top of that, throughout our campaign we've ultimately learned that the uppermost leadership of the elves has been willingly and eagerly sacrificing entire colonies and risking all life everywhere to try and evolve "better" as they see it.
    For those and other reasons, elves are generally known to be extremely haughty, not necessarily narcissistic but very sure that they are superior to all other sentient life in every way. My character, however, was a rare exception. Throughout his life, he valued genuine kindness, generosity, etc. first and foremost. He was shunned by the elves for this, and it's given him a really fun way to be that character that's innocent or naive at first, but then slowly has his eyes opened ro the true nature of the world and the people in it being eerily similar to how the elves are, just in different ways.
    As such, I've had a plan for a while now for what he's going to do as soon as he's able to, and his moment is finally coming up: He's going to expose elven leadership and their plans, provide the evidence he's found in his travels, and tell all other elves that if they felt any unease at this revelation, to join him on his current world. Basically create a new elven civilization that won't be completely insane and want to fix that problem in their leadership.
    In short, he'll kind of be a "reverse magnificent bastard." After fumbling around learning about the world, he's gained the confidence he needs to stand against things antithetical to his own beliefs, and the knowledge of how to be a thorn in the sides of those things and people very effectively.
    It's gonna be so much fun when I drop that in game, I can't wait.

  • @RealCodreX
    @RealCodreX 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There is no man, alive of in fiction, that is a more marvelous bastard than the one and only; Seto Kiba!!!

  • @ZenBearV13
    @ZenBearV13 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s such a delight to know every obscure reference you dropped in that first 2 minutes, including the Lazy Purple voice drop. You are my people 😂

  • @douglasphillips5870
    @douglasphillips5870 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    There's a character type I like to play which is similar to this but inverted. I call it the backhanded bard. This is a character who builds up the rest of the party, but in the most backhanded way, encouragement through insult. The party comes to depend on my character for healing and buffs, but he's kind of a jerk about it. It creates a similar love hate dynamic. The important thing is to get the players in on the gag enen though the characters aren't

  • @Quon_the_Destroyer
    @Quon_the_Destroyer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Don’t worry Martin, we like the video

  • @Mary_Studios
    @Mary_Studios 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I feel like I missed out for my Villain to be that way. He was a Wizard who is a ruler of a nation. So he had max Intelligence and Charisma. Which while he was a little bit cocky I don't think ever went to the way that he did for this case. Granted they ended up talking him down and him joining sides but this has made me relised that I missed out. Now I have a character that I want to play eventually that is a Wizard who worked as a Courtier so I have her highest stats ad Intelligence and Charisma so I could totally play this if I wanted to.

  • @CyberTiamat
    @CyberTiamat 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Holy shit, a TFS clip, a Lazy Purple voice clip, then telling us to go watch OSP? Never seen a combo like that in my LIFE

  • @andrewhoff8782
    @andrewhoff8782 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Teamfourstar and Trope Talk BOTH being mentioned in the same video? I feel personally seen and appreciated.

  • @15bjackson16
    @15bjackson16 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love that he still holds a grudge towards tien for tribeaming him into the earth multiple times in the abridged lol

  • @pompneigh4329
    @pompneigh4329 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another great example of this archetype, aside from TFS Cell, is Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2. *Chef's Kiss*

  • @Arakellian
    @Arakellian 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In one of my last campaigns I played the bbeg , I played it cautiously at first hoping to influence the party, towards the middle of the campaign I allowed the mask to slip telling them exactly where minions would appear and so on. I was working with the DM but the party never put it together so .. we had to change strategies (the actual players already figured it out but refused to allow their characters to know) so at the end the big fight and the big reveal the Cleric (normally our main DM helped us with a new plan) so it became a redemption arc because when we defeated the stand in NPC completely based on my PC just a little weaker, thr ceric puts her hand on my shoulder and said "now now don't you feel better being a hero?" At that point I was truly contemplating if I remain the bbeg I could finish the original story and go down in history but if I followed the rewrite for the ending it could be wholesome and a full redemption, so I did a mixture of both I walked from her embrace and sat on the throne and spoke in a bit of sarcastic tone "tis about time you figured it out..." We had to do a side quest for the Cleric to actually know and the rest of the party still remained oblivious, anyway my character gave a rye smile and nodded at the end of the statement. We did one final epilogue quest that actually leads us to our next campaign all of us being path breaker paladins to stand against our corrupt religious organization we are still working on the story but we plan on having our old characters partially fund us in some capacity we are basically playing templar's who have seen the evils that are brewing within our religion

  • @ALTR_no_EGO
    @ALTR_no_EGO 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Jay's wife is too precious. Y'all are couple goals.

  • @a.z.pantera5577
    @a.z.pantera5577 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'd like the sort of villain who is so charismatic in how effortlessly cool they are, but are also supremely bored by everything around them. Until the main squad comes along and... actually makes them try a little bit. Those moments of "Come on stop trying to hit me, and hit me!" And then they *do*. And the villain is like "... huh. Okay!" and while the villain really doesn't want them meddling in their plans, in the back of their heads, they almost want the party to win. They can't bring themselves to do the double tap. The villain thought there was nothing left for them in the world. But now they have something. A challenge. Rivals.

  • @Voc_spooksauce
    @Voc_spooksauce 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I do enjoy both the videos AND the sweet lady's voice that lives in your room. I do wonder if you got a ghostbuster, a wizard, a spell caster or even a priest to find out who this voice is. She is nice but like isn't it a lil creepy?

  • @Jimpipecigarbear
    @Jimpipecigarbear 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for your stories. Enjoying the video.

  • @PharaohOfTheDamned
    @PharaohOfTheDamned 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love how you mentioned Tien in TFS lmaooo
    "Kiko how ya doin'?"

  • @NesquickCoffee
    @NesquickCoffee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Almost amusing this trope is what spawned my Bard's mask. He socially will act like this trope, until his mask slips in front of the party in moments of true stress or emotional vulnerability... Now, I will steal some tips here to make his mask more convincing.

  • @JustSomeGuy3669
    @JustSomeGuy3669 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really enjoyed this video because an a new DM its hard to know how my NPC / charecter would say this or act like or make it good for my players so i really appriciate a way for me to know how to do these Thanks

  • @KillerBlaze
    @KillerBlaze 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why handsome Jack is so iconic

  • @ClayborneJames
    @ClayborneJames 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More please. More TH-cam and more glorious banter between the two of you. Love your videos.

  • @zachmccoubry99
    @zachmccoubry99 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always like hearing your insights. Like how you wanna lean into the trope

  • @thewretchedpleb7484
    @thewretchedpleb7484 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did a bit of this character type for my first dnd character. Wasn't sure what alignment, personality type, ect I wanted to stick with so I chatted with my dm about it and thought up a sort of solution.
    Loosely speaking, I gave him magically induced multiple personality disorder.

  • @DaBezzzz
    @DaBezzzz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I like the disembodied voice

  • @chowrites6179
    @chowrites6179 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think most people magnificent bastards as a sort of rogue or bard role but I view it as any role can be a MB as they're sparky and helpful; good aligned characters that fit this role, imo, are characters like Sonic, Dante(DMC), or Ezio(AC2).
    Also, your wife is so fucking adorable! Lol I love this channel so much cuz of how you two interact

  • @abnormallatter914
    @abnormallatter914 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Let it be known that your wife is the reason I subscribed, this is my first video 😂!

  • @HellishSpoon
    @HellishSpoon 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    high charisma + intelligence build is is the ultimate leader build and is OP both in games and in real life.

  • @lollostones
    @lollostones 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    How would you play a risk lover/adrenaline junkie without derailing the campaign?

  • @thegrayone5666
    @thegrayone5666 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had some ideas kicking around for something similar to this. A character that can grow in a few ways. Confindnce, smarm, and something deeo that drives him. Deep, yet flawed. Walking into a situation from the prospectice that by what he stands for, he is Heroic. A character that can grow to become grounded ti understandinf what such a title entales, as well as the consewuences of his actions he must keep in mind, or will it be reenforced by the nature of the world that lays bare?
    Room for questions, room for stories to be told.

  • @RuneRaged
    @RuneRaged 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ahh, the Magnificent Bastard, a trope near and dear to my heart... assuming I still had one but i sold it for the charisma stat increase

  • @krimson4257
    @krimson4257 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    its funny that freddie wong was showcased in this video because his character in season 1 of Dungeons and Daddies (glenn close) is pretty good at being this

  • @MZZE-my7hz
    @MZZE-my7hz 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    TFS write some incredible Magnificent Bastards. like yea they are retooling existing characters but Cell and Alucard are fan favourites for a reason.

  • @infinitesheldon5710
    @infinitesheldon5710 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've been doing my best to play this style of character for the last year and a half in my group's current campaign. My character is a young hag, and the "likability" part comes from her childlike reactions to the setting, which is then sharply contrasted whenever she goes full hag and reveals her 27-step plan to topple whatever obstacle we're currently facing. The party feels an equal amount of parental desire to protect this "innocent" young child and also respect for the degrees of cunning she has displayed. It's almost comical how she's turned into de facto party leader, while also adamantly refusing to take the front and center stage because "I am 12 years old" is the best excuse to never take responsibility for anything. Definitely one of my favorite characters I've played in a while.

  • @DParkerNunya
    @DParkerNunya 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    TROPE TALK MENTIONED LET'S GOOOOO

  • @Goblin_Hater_37
    @Goblin_Hater_37 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How the hell did you manage to get the trope talks video to be recommended right after this?? I have never watched anything like this before, yet there it is

  • @liamwright347
    @liamwright347 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Khun from TOG fits this tripe perfectly haha

  • @FlashX212
    @FlashX212 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think two examples of a Magnificent Bastard who happens to be a good guy is Joseph Joestar (S2) and Gojo from JJK

  • @GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz
    @GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lmao, the "fk me" dice. Thats pretty funny. Even the most litigious tongues blurt it out, its universal.

  • @fiascothe63rd
    @fiascothe63rd 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yes, this is a video that I like, comment and… well, I subscribed a while back, but this one would’ve done it.

  • @Longshot-qv8is
    @Longshot-qv8is 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Jarlaxle Baenre is the GOAT

    • @DesertRanger8038
      @DesertRanger8038 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes absolutely great example

  • @danking8849
    @danking8849 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m currently playing this archetype and having fun with it. My only issue is I feel like the “table hog”.

  • @kristofevarsson6903
    @kristofevarsson6903 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    *_Oh you are just a treat._*

  • @trevynlane8094
    @trevynlane8094 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Remember, Batman IS a Magnificent Bastard so a herroic one is possible, just hard to pull off

    • @thislink1519
      @thislink1519 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Batman has rizz?

    • @trevynlane8094
      @trevynlane8094 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @thislink1519 (looks at the Bat Family and Batman Inc.) Yes.

  • @Vox_Essentia
    @Vox_Essentia 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm writing a book with a magnificent bastard as the protagonist. I'm trying to achieve what Jorg is in the Thorns Trilogy. A COMPLETELY MONSTER that can get away with "grape" because he's SO charming and competent.
    Small spoilers, he defeat and entire kingdom with 5 soldiers just by using his brain.

  • @themanysirs1814
    @themanysirs1814 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm liking the video already
    WE ARE THE RESISTANCE

  • @DRAGONalpha117
    @DRAGONalpha117 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cell, Alucard and Guru
    so basically Takahata

  • @DevKerrigan
    @DevKerrigan 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't wanna dismiss your point here, but you haven't, in my opinion, described [specifically] how to play a magnificent bastard character archetype here. You've just described how to play the game well. Which is still great, and it *is* advice I'm recommending around with high regards, just, it's definitely advice to simply play well with others.

  • @kathrynck
    @kathrynck 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Cool concept. But I think things got a little lost in the humid folds of dragonbalz.
    There's plenty of dnd players who just don't watch anime. And plenty of anime watching dnd players who just aren't into dbz. That's kinda laser-focused on an age range.
    Better, I think, to keep jumping around to examples, than zero in.

  • @engibones5948
    @engibones5948 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am doing this in a campaign, but we in hell so being evil and a genius so it works

  • @imaginationave3687
    @imaginationave3687 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Alastor is the perfect example of this. His very entrance is the epitimy of charasmatic, and also his very rise to power was to topple through the hiearchy of the overlords one by one. Stupid people can't do that!

  • @elgordodelmoscu8296
    @elgordodelmoscu8296 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    great video, it really helps

  • @firelord1607
    @firelord1607 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like the video and perfect cell.

  • @user-ww7zw4kr2g
    @user-ww7zw4kr2g 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    does my first dnd character fit into this trope?👀
    she is a trickery domain cleric with a one level dip into rogue currently. she's a prankster and a chaos gremlin but also has an interest in mysteries and is pretty much the brain of the group, even though her intelligence isn't the highest. she focuses more on insight and perception to get information, which usually means annoying the npcs until they say something that doesn't align with the rest of what they had told the party beforehand. on top top of that she is also a competent healer and drops her lighthearted attitude when in battle.

  • @LordeUrdale
    @LordeUrdale 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I comment juste because i want more of this type of videos

  • @thecommenter90
    @thecommenter90 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Benny from New Vegas is a bit like this, He is selfish, sauve, and intelligent. While he still is able to get killed.

  • @aaronboy5512
    @aaronboy5512 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Takahata is a great va

  • @InterplanarerPennersoeldner65
    @InterplanarerPennersoeldner65 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wanna play a magnificent dumb4ss archetype.

  • @Jesterdesigns_
    @Jesterdesigns_ 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like the video and your dynamic

  • @thebigbluebird3501
    @thebigbluebird3501 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Light from deathnote

  • @TheSilversepiroth
    @TheSilversepiroth 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The guys behind DBZA have said several times that when they were writing it, they didn't want it to be just funny, but to feel like a different universe's version _of_ DBZ. I guess to put it another way, DBZA has, for a long while, been written as if Oda-san was writing it instead of Toriyama-san.
    Yes, Toriyama-san enjoys humor, but especially by that point DBZ had become an action manga first & foremost. By contrast, Oda-san WANTS people to laugh while *_ALSO_* being hyped by it, resulting in some of the slapstick & other aspects of humor being baked into the manga. For crying out loud, he gave his lead protagonist Tom & Jerry powers with Gear 5, giving him practically free reign to do whatever goofy shit he thinks will be entertaining with future fights

  • @brettmelnrick4854
    @brettmelnrick4854 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video, more please!

  • @Ego-the-darkness0
    @Ego-the-darkness0 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Currently playing something that sounds like the magnificent bastard but I feel like it’s cheating by leveraging his shapeshifting for in filtration or escape and deception

    • @Ego-the-darkness0
      @Ego-the-darkness0 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also for this character the lowest stat I rolled in front of the dm was a +2 so yeah

  • @ninjaudead
    @ninjaudead 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We just get a call to vote?

  • @WanderingRagabond
    @WanderingRagabond 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good points, but the video DESPERATELY needed more examples than just Bill Cipher and Abridged!Perfect Cell to support them.

  • @zeehero7280
    @zeehero7280 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fake it til you make it!

  • @Demonamic777
    @Demonamic777 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you need the perfect representation of the Magnificent Bastard, look no further than Raymond Reddington from Blacklist.

  • @edgyguy7084
    @edgyguy7084 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Of cause charisma gets u further then intelligents.
    Its like shooting a bullet at a person armored by their facts.
    Bullets loaded with intelligents need to penetrate the armor first, which means u need to hard spec into int.
    While charisma bullets ignore the facts armor and hit directly, they are therefore armorpenetrating...
    In short: guns are just guns doing gun stuff, and who has some beautyfull guns? Correct! Alucard!!
    It all was just a trap so that u can read something about my most favorite romanian of blood and american of soul kinda guy!

  • @phillydterminaldisease6578
    @phillydterminaldisease6578 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    YOURE FLUENT IN YAPPANISE

  • @hiddenicolay2008
    @hiddenicolay2008 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I see you use dragonball abriged from the same people that made hellsing ultimate abriged, is there a specific reason you didn't use alucard from that show in this video?

  • @Ego-the-darkness0
    @Ego-the-darkness0 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video

  • @dravendarkplays9607
    @dravendarkplays9607 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I heard lazy purple

  • @bloodybladenum1920
    @bloodybladenum1920 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I kid you not my stat rolls feel loaded
    I've had to reduce my stats to make the character feel fun

    • @bloodybladenum1920
      @bloodybladenum1920 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So a +5 +5 or +4 +4 is within question

  • @arsov9885
    @arsov9885 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What was the safe word? Chenga?

  • @commonviewer2488
    @commonviewer2488 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Be overlyfriendly, egotistical, and have the ability to back to it up