by the time you start talking about how 'you're not going to ramble' i know i won't be watching your channel again. nobody wanted to see you on screen in the first place.
If you are doing technical LARGE rock crawling or rock bashing, sure use the solid axle and get a two door jeep, ... or spend an order of magnitude more money on a tube chassis IFS rock bouncer. In any other situation a properly configured IFS is better.
@@mark2073 I stand corrected, if you want to do technical large rock crawling or bashing or crawl the malls or get the groceries, go with the solid axle. :)
And the articulation is patently better with solid axle. I have ifs in the front of my 4Runner, but there are times when I really wish I had a solid axle up there. There are some kind of tippy moments with the ifs. ;-)
Didn’t realize how much of a difference it was till I bought a 4Runner after owning a Jeep I can tear through most of the trails where I live with out feeling like I’m I bobble head
Thanks for this I came for a basic explanation of solid axle vs independent suspension but got a little more with the extra off roading tidbit as I’m looking to beef up my Sequoia for that! haha thanks! Subscribed 😊
Seems a couple points are missed. On a proper independent suspension, your pumpkins are typically tucked up much more. I'd think a solid axle on hillside will give you more body roll in the direction you don't want it, due to that "pushing down" effect you referred to. Independent should keep your tires on a more flat plane too.
How many stories have I heard of busted CV's with IFS. And lifting them makes it way worse. You could do a diff drop but that's a pain too. A solid axle does require caster correction with a lift.
@@mandingo9471 Understandable and I see your point. I just look at it like the way Jeep has both options offered in there products, as it has been proven to be a safe powertrain option is all.
Everyone tends to describe the advantages of the I at the suspension as being comfort. I'd like to take that 1 step further it translates into speed. When you're traveling long distances over rough terrain and you are able to kick the speed up because of the nature of the trail and I have fast suspension is a lot more advantageous. It will get you to your a location faster, less beat up, and easier on your rig and your equipment because the suspension smooths out the road. IFS is used quite a bit more in desert regions because you do have the opportunity to increase your speed whereas traveling in the mountains where you have extremely windy roads trees rocks that kind of thing you can't get up to speed very easily
I think we will see a new kind of independent suspension from Tesla with the Cybertruck. The truck will tow 14,000 lbs and the payload capacity is 3,500 lbs.
Trying hard not to name-drop here, but I like the design of solid axles better. I like simple and straight forward. That being said, my current IFS rig has been light-years more reliable. Ok fine, Jeep vs. Yota - Jeep was a PIA, Yota trouble free.
@@nsh040909 Jeeps are not reliable and can't compete in that department with toyotas. Jeeps are offroaders and easy to upgrade. Stock vs stock comparisons 4runners will go 99% of places a stock Jeep will go in some case further.
My new chevy 2500 rides harsher than my superduty at work. Then again mine is regular cab, truck at work is crew/long bed. Dont matter to me though I like em both, even my uncles new ram 2500 is nice.
So, a solid axle offers more articulation, which is why you prefer it for crawling? If so, would disconnecting the sway bar in an IFS compensate for that?
No, even if you disconnect the sway bar, the ifs still doesn’t get as much articulation. There are also many more moving parts, which means there’s more stuff to break. Overall, the solid axle is tougher and more reliable for serious trails, where the ifs is more comfortable over fast less harsh terrain
Overland journal quotes the top Toyota engineer as saying the Toyota 200 Land Cruiser has the strongest front end Toyota have that has ever made. Even stronger than 70 series.
If you are carrying heavy loads in the vehicle itself or rock crawling then solid axle takes the cake. But if the heavy loads aren't on the vehicle itself and it's most towing the heavy loads then IFS is better and the IFS can comfortably handle 75% of the load that a solid axle will. The IFS also has superior control at high speeds on all surfaces. On very harsh medium to high speed terrain the IFS will handle better but not be as robust with very hard high speed bumps
Great quick breakdown video. Like you said, it depends what trails you like to go on. There’s something for everyone out there and it’s not right or wrong. It’s yours!! Choose wisely 😜🤣 Solid axle here 🤘🏼🤙🏼
For ultimate traction under any conditions, independent suspension all around is the best! Any opposing force from a solid axle or sway-bar will reduce traction, and increase bouncing. It's just a matter of costs..look at the Outlaw fully independent rock-crawler winning current events!
One of the main benefits of a straight axle is a lot stronger than independent suspension you didn't emphasize that at all that is if not the main one of the main benefits of having a straight axle, it's also a lot more reliable yeah I don't feel you have enough knowledge to talk about this dude sorry
by the time you start talking about how 'you're not going to ramble' i know i won't be watching your channel again.
nobody wanted to see you on screen in the first place.
Troll comment hall of fame contender right here. Well done! 😂🙌🏼
Rambling about rambling. I love it
I wish - when I buy a truck - the sales guy would say, "Now you can get this with a solid front axle or IFS..."
That would be ideal 😍😍
@Mallard the force gurkha, in India came in two configurations. The explorer version had an ifs but the extreme had a solid axle.
You got the choice. Buy a 100series Landcruiser you get a solid axle, buy the LEXXUS you will get the same car with IFS.
@@reinhardtrippmacher8776 100 series and the Lexus are the same vehicle. The 105 series is the solid axle
Or literally any new 4x4 SUV
Having both and have broken both. Solid axles are better. Especially with heavier loads.
And in offroad
That’s your anecdotal experience.
upcoming video, "you already have IFS or solid axle, now here's how to make the best of that."
This is a great suggestion
@@jasonpotts6490 thx, cheers
I would love to see an ifs setup rock crawler. Or even a 3rd gen Tacoma ifs rock crawler.
Also when you swap from IFS to solid axle you are adding a ton of weight on your rig. I have both.
Trust me I done both and IFS is plenty for overlanding.
almost all of those Baja desert type trucks are all 2 wheel drive
Bc you dont need the extra weight from the 4x4 system..
@@GhettoFabulous670 it’s mostly because it’s very hard to get a 4x4 system to last in a trophy truck
Explained straight forward. This video answered my questions 100%
Newer military vehicles are IFS and can rock crawl with no issues.
Excellent...
My new Rams IFS. My old ones solid. Both have their advantages.
If you are doing technical LARGE rock crawling or rock bashing, sure use the solid axle and get a two door jeep, ... or spend an order of magnitude more money on a tube chassis IFS rock bouncer. In any other situation a properly configured IFS is better.
Lifting on an IFS is a PITA
@@mark2073 I stand corrected, if you want to do technical large rock crawling or bashing or crawl the malls or get the groceries, go with the solid axle. :)
And the articulation is patently better with solid axle. I have ifs in the front of my 4Runner, but there are times when I really wish I had a solid axle up there. There are some kind of tippy moments with the ifs. ;-)
My truck has solid axel in the back and independent in the front
Thanks for sharing
Didn’t realize how much of a difference it was till I bought a 4Runner after owning a Jeep I can tear through most of the trails where I live with out feeling like I’m I bobble head
Thanks for this I came for a basic explanation of solid axle vs independent suspension but got a little more with the extra off roading tidbit as I’m looking to beef up my Sequoia for that! haha thanks! Subscribed 😊
Glad it helped! Thank you for the sub! See you on the trail!
Seems a couple points are missed. On a proper independent suspension, your pumpkins are typically tucked up much more. I'd think a solid axle on hillside will give you more body roll in the direction you don't want it, due to that "pushing down" effect you referred to. Independent should keep your tires on a more flat plane too.
How many stories have I heard of busted CV's with IFS. And lifting them makes it way worse. You could do a diff drop but that's a pain too. A solid axle does require caster correction with a lift.
One more advantage of solid axle is keeping the same axle hight on all terrains.
2012 Tacoma with IFS and Solid rear axle. I love it, does exactly what I need it to
Nissan R50 with the same & it’s a keeper 🤙🏾
A solid axle should still be an option on trucks in today's market ...
Thinking about SAS Conversion maybe in the future for my rig.
@@mandingo9471 Understandable and I see your point. I just look at it like the way Jeep has both options offered in there products, as it has been proven to be a safe powertrain option is all.
Everyone tends to describe the advantages of the I at the suspension as being comfort. I'd like to take that 1 step further it translates into speed. When you're traveling long distances over rough terrain and you are able to kick the speed up because of the nature of the trail and I have fast suspension is a lot more advantageous. It will get you to your a location faster, less beat up, and easier on your rig and your equipment because the suspension smooths out the road. IFS is used quite a bit more in desert regions because you do have the opportunity to increase your speed whereas traveling in the mountains where you have extremely windy roads trees rocks that kind of thing you can't get up to speed very easily
Best explanation ever! Thanks!
super eazy to understand thank you
Thank you that was very helpful
I think we will see a new kind of independent suspension from Tesla with the Cybertruck. The truck will tow 14,000 lbs and the payload capacity is 3,500 lbs.
Id prefer solid axle cuz we can have control of the rotation and steering while it is compressed
Wait a second, you aren't wearing an Overland Bound t-shirt!
And then you have my Ford which is a twin I-beam suspension.
Also gotta talk about bump steer ...
Great video man!
Why is independent suspension never used on formula offroad cars? Is it due to durability? Cost? Harder repairs? Or a combination of these things?
Probably durability,simplicity,and it’s easier to get more flex/travel
@@saltybutsain6348 They use very little flex/travel though. Most run 12" airshocks with only 4-5" of remaining up-travel on them.
Could an independent computer controlled air suspension give you the benefits of both systems? The comfort at speed and the traction when crawling?
Perhaps! It will be interesting to see what the Hummer EV does too
You forgot to mention independent suspension is weaker and will break a lot easier
Trying hard not to name-drop here, but I like the design of solid axles better. I like simple and straight forward. That being said, my current IFS rig has been light-years more reliable. Ok fine, Jeep vs. Yota - Jeep was a PIA, Yota trouble free.
Depending on the model. I’m sure the wrangler rubicon holds its own against any Toyota
@@nsh040909 Jeeps are not reliable and can't compete in that department with toyotas. Jeeps are offroaders and easy to upgrade. Stock vs stock comparisons 4runners will go 99% of places a stock Jeep will go in some case further.
@@camooo101 a stock 4Runner will not go more places than a stock Jeep Rubicon
@@camooo101Lol
Independant best on comfort even off road.If you want rock crawling nothing beats a solid axel in performance.
Ifs has more diff clearence and less unsprung weight, less suspension travel and no panhard side sway. Solid is stronger and gas more travel.
I hope you know, when you start going back to the normal video output, we will all go through withdraws!!
My new chevy 2500 rides harsher than my superduty at work. Then again mine is regular cab, truck at work is crew/long bed. Dont matter to me though I like em both, even my uncles new ram 2500 is nice.
Solid
Kent Reynolds on the trail, with big rocks, IFS for the years of highway driving and fast desert roads... :)
Gotta talk about slip angle....
Stil didn't explain why it's better for offroading
Tracción is determinad by lockers and tires and tires air pressure
Independant with portals would be a nice option.
So, a solid axle offers more articulation, which is why you prefer it for crawling? If so, would disconnecting the sway bar in an IFS compensate for that?
No, even if you disconnect the sway bar, the ifs still doesn’t get as much articulation. There are also many more moving parts, which means there’s more stuff to break. Overall, the solid axle is tougher and more reliable for serious trails, where the ifs is more comfortable over fast less harsh terrain
Hey Mikey! I liked it a lot!!!! I have what I have on the 4Runner. Cheers, Mate.
Overland journal quotes the top Toyota engineer as saying the Toyota 200 Land Cruiser has the strongest front end Toyota have that has ever made. Even stronger than 70 series.
Great explanation and sweet shirt!
One of my new favorites! :)
I have been thinking about going independent suspention front and rear on my ranger, what are your thoughts on that?
Ground Clearance IFS = More
I'm thinking about buying an 85 straight axle Toyota 4x4 for 10,000 200,000 is it worth it?
The strength argument is non existent. Quit making your ifs setups weak if don’t like weak setups.
Solid ofc
If you are carrying heavy loads in the vehicle itself or rock crawling then solid axle takes the cake. But if the heavy loads aren't on the vehicle itself and it's most towing the heavy loads then IFS is better and the IFS can comfortably handle 75% of the load that a solid axle will. The IFS also has superior control at high speeds on all surfaces. On very harsh medium to high speed terrain the IFS will handle better but not be as robust with very hard high speed bumps
Which is best for when you are towing heavy loads?
Independent suspension
Great quick breakdown video. Like you said, it depends what trails you like to go on. There’s something for everyone out there and it’s not right or wrong. It’s yours!! Choose wisely 😜🤣 Solid axle here 🤘🏼🤙🏼
I think it depends the nature of use on both..there both great in different manners but ill choose on solid axle.
Going to do a sas on my 2005 Silverado for cost and so I can get a locker
For ultimate traction under any conditions, independent suspension all around is the best! Any opposing force from a solid axle or sway-bar will reduce traction, and increase bouncing. It's just a matter of costs..look at the Outlaw fully independent rock-crawler winning current events!
Solid axle if it was 4x4 yes but mines is not lol
Who are after Aswing sing takiar vlog
Solid axle is the best
If anyone tries to put an IFS under my 80 they will get a large knot on their head.
What year is best overall? I’m looking between 93-94 or 95-97
@@nsh040909 1996/1997 are the best years for an 80.
Toyota entered 2 1996 LC80 in the Paris Dakar rally winning 1st/2nd in their class.
geatsbeowulf
I think I saw that a while back but those might of been diesels. I only have access to petrol ⛽️
@@nsh040909 I've got 265,000 on my petrol and it's still going strong. I replaced valve cover and the engine looked clean, no slug build up.
KISS, congratulations
paso a paso, reliability is utmost
I wanna be able to jump my truck so better go with independent 😂
One of the main benefits of a straight axle is a lot stronger than independent suspension you didn't emphasize that at all that is if not the main one of the main benefits of having a straight axle, it's also a lot more reliable yeah I don't feel you have enough knowledge to talk about this dude sorry
How is this debate? IFS rules all races .
tooo much dry talk.....
Sold axel only win in rock crawling. IMO
I have a 2014 JK and an 89 fullsize bronco. 90% of the time the bronco is better.
Also depends on the IFS, some are much weaker then others.