Vw tdi with LPG ,NATURAL GAS or PROPANE
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- This video shows how I installed a propane system in my tdi. Doesn’t mean the is how I recommend to do it , is just how i installed witch is not the best so don’t do it. This is only for test and purposes.
I will remove the gas line outside the car and mounted in the frame from outside. That being said.
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Taco v8, so I didn’t hear you mention running natural gas instead of propane. Thoughts? I know the tdi can runon either, one is a cleaner gas and one has more power per energy unit, LNg is cheaper etc.. but what’s your thoughts on tuning cng vs propane? I’ve seen a few tdis running the nat gas. Great video btw.
Does it run more with lpg?
Great work, thanks for the content i will be using your video as a reference when i install on my dodge ram 5.9 cummins
I just watched all your TDI videos. Subbed and officially think you're a wizard. Love the content man!
Lol appreciated man. All what i know is thanks to god.
Good job brother... keep up the good work!!! Make a video with it driving when you can please
I will 👍🏼
Good job. In Poland we have company who produce diesel LPG systems, AC Gas. Thay have system like 4th gen LPG for gasoline engine, use TPS, EGT and rpm trigger to calculate good time for open injectors. But now cost of it this set is about 3 times gasolnie 4th gen and not popular in cars, but so mutch truck use it.
Could send me a link of the kit please
Would love an update video on how this is doing. And maybe how the fuel economy is, total cost per mile for fuels.(only reason I'm after is fuel economy) Researching into doing this to my mk4. How about the safety part? Is it fairly safe? My wife will be driving it also.
Is doing ok I’m waiting to hit 400k in the next 4 more fuel tanks to open the head and inspect how the valves and pistons are looking after 2 Or 2.5 years of using it! I have 0 issues so far.
I’m about to release a video on what kind of Milage I get with propane on
Stag in Europe literally do an ECU controlled version of this with one injector per intake runner, knock sensor and egt sensors to control how much lpg to add... Running things on lpg is common here my 330i has been running lpg for more then 100k miles now.
Oh you can also get liquid lpg injection. No need for vapouriser, the lpg phase changes in the manifold and lowers intake temps
Thanks for the info man. We don’t have much here. Running this in cars is very rare not many people uses. I like the power of the generates. And I like the simplicity not need to make it harder with sensors and computer. I like everything simple. I have been running this for like a year and half and still using this today I have 0 problems so far.
This is a diesel engine not petrol,
Yes diésel engine man it’s an 2002 Volkswagen alh TDI 1.9 liter
Don’t you just love how the population is treated in the United States?
The home of brave and screwed over.
They keep technology that you have in Europe, that we could be using, then blame people for using to much fuel.
Simple and efficient. Love it. Incredible fuel mileage. Worth the investment.
Yeah man 👍🏼
Want to make another video about it soon. Don’t forget to like and subscribe bud. Don’t missed.
@@taco8v And how much propane have you used
I explained in my comments before, but I will answer your question, I use in one fuel tank 2.5gallons of propane. So I burn 5 gallons of propane in 2 fuel refills . All depends how wide you open the valve on the tank. I found out I don’t need much to get going , so I almost have it all the way closed and found the best results
Love your videos man! Could you put link in the comments for the propane system? Also do you find that you have a cleaner burn with propane vs methanol injection?
Thanks alot for your videos!!
Glad I watched
You definitely earned a like and subscribe from me
Much appreciated
2 questions
1. Do you run it in conjunction with gasoline or just standalone?
2. Did you an improvement in fuel economy?
Lpg with gasoline its not worth it , but lpg with diesel its worth it i got like around 200 miles range with 2.5 gal of lpg and to s of power the whole fuel diesel tank
@taco8v oh really, that's interesting what makes gasoline less efficient. In your opinion?
@mannyg4663 the gasoline all ready has the power diesel not so if you add lpg to a gasoline motor you don’t even notice the power at all . While in the diesel a little bit of lpg make this engines woke up
Question: Could you put solenoid and regulator in trunk with tank and just have a low pressure line to the engine?
Edit. Man honestly I think you can
very cool
100❤
Good job. I'm starting my installation tomorrow. Let's see it in Opel insignia
This is awesome. How much in parts did you spend? I have an old diesel truck I will try this on ; I will have to check out your "runaway switch" video
I spend like 250 for the kit and used a grill tank
What happens with the diesel pump it will be ruined running without the deisel!
It never stops working without diesel man the ecu will cut fuel but never until the point of running without diesel . This system is made to spray gas at the same time with diesel just the ecu will spray diesel in less amounts when gas is activated
Hay there Taco 8v....apart from giving more power does the lpg setup give you
much more economy ? 20% or more ? just trying to work out as 9kg lpg is 35 bucks in New Zealand....cheers Brett
Well it gives me 20 more miles per gallon of diesel now
@@taco8v wow thats about 450ks more per tank is that correct.....how much lpg would you use per tank load....brett
For me added 200 miles per tank 2.5 gallons of propane each tank 400miles 5 gallons propane 2 fuel tanks
Well done ! They just approve it in France , could u send me some link , i will start to fit the system
Links in the video description
Yes
Hi, how long did you use it and did you notice any reliability issues or does it shorten the diesels lifespan as it has less lubrication than diesel? also did you notice HP gains? I'm concidering getting a simple system like yours on my m51d25
Hey bud. This system still attached to my car working the same way as it did when new , I believe it’s 3 years now .
I was able to reduce the iq in Vcds and just switch the gas on, it sprays at the same time as diesel so the ecu cuts diesel back as need it. And yes it adds tons of HP
@@taco8v Just read this answer which answers my question - thanks man you're a legend and i'll definitely be doing this too! Thanks so much!
How do you adjust your boost sensor to open to send power to your solenoid?
they come calibrated to specific pressures
Nope , it’s adjustable man. You can manually set it to whatever boost you want.
Hello taco8v, please I would like to ask you if you have something done with your ecu's software, if n146 voltage is added or less, any limiters too. I do edc15 ecus on daily basis, Im there like at a home. Your video is really interesting, I would install this LPG system on my alh car too. Thanks for reply
Anyway I'd like to ask when you travel with same cruise speed, your boost is at zero, in short it means that your engine runs only with diesel without lpg ? Thanks
Ecu is tuned yes I think is stage1 11mm pump
Front mount intercooler, bigger nozzles, egr deleted , pd150 intake ,3” turbo back exhaust, Vnt1749 turbo ,,Watermeth injection, the car when is a 0 boost is still running with propane
@@taco8v please how you have done that when boost is at 0 that propane is still sprayed into intake ? I have seen your video, there is showed if boost is at 0 there is not propane sprayed anymore. Thanks for explain
Because I bypassed the boost switch and I manually turn it on and off however i want :)
@@taco8v aaah did you bypassed it by + 12 V power line ?
Does the diesel supply turn off when the lpg is switched on?
If you car has a ecu it will automatically detect the extra fuel and cut down the diesel mix
Oh I see! Cool thanks
Amazing!i have never seen propane sprayer or conversion on a diesel car .I know with gasoline is easy but never thought diesel can be done
Yes and it feels way more power when is installed in diesels than when it is on gasoline’s
@@taco8v Yeah petrol has to keep stoichiometric ratios, so more fuel only makes more power if you also get more air, which is harder to increase. But diesels are unthrottled, they always have way more air than needed, so more fuel always = more power!
And more efficiency
Great job man - so it sprays gas in during boost, does that mean the diesel injectors are unchanged, they don't know about the LPG/propane/CNG going in to the intake? I was hoping to do this to my T4 for better fuel economy, but if it's more like a NOS system then I guess it only gives more power?
More power out of your original fuel source means you saving the fuel and using other sources to make power 🤷♂️
How much power it adds? Could you film acceleration with and without propane? Very interesting
I will one of this days but it kicks in nice
I am also interested.
amigo, quiero instalar este sistema en mi motor diesel, me puedes dar mas informacion_, algun diagrama, tengo el equipo por que tengo un motor a gasolina en 4 cilindros que le instale gas propano, solo me falta informacion de los accesorios , bulbo de presion y el injector a utilizar .
I really like to “spare tire” shaped tank you showed but I can’t find a place to buy one. Any suggestions?
It has to come overseas and ebay has them
Thank you for the quick response. There are tons of videos on TH-cam Showing people trying to pull more horsepower out of TDI‘s. It’s Surprising how few there are for those of us really seeking fuel mileage improvements.
Thanks again, hope your videos keep coming.
@markgagner1607 i want milage man lol
Well, I’m gonna keep looking. Hi, I’m probably doing something wrong, but I search eBay and I can find that fuel tank for additional diesel or gas, but I haven’t found the propane version. Anyway, thanks for the content!
@markgagner1607 i haven’t buy anything yet but heres the link talk to this guy on ebay , the tank its called toroidal and you need the valve for this as well , this guy sells them ask him about the tank too , also aliexpess sells them
www.ebay.com/itm/325242042897?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=16WhSFASQDi&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=qgrvl0JMRP-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
So with a diesel LPG conversion. The lpg gets blended in WITH diesel, but because of this, overall use of diesel is reduced as it’s being blended etc?
Yup
You can use carburetor LPG system.
Are you still using it?
Yes
Finally in the process of installing my kit on my golf. Where did you get your adapter for your -6 AN line to go to the propane tank?
Tractor supply
Do you know that actual size of that adapter when you bought it?
@@QuestionALL-uu1cm no sorry
Did you run your propane line through the cab or under the car? I’m noticing that water is tracking the propane line into my car and causing a mildew smell when the car sets un used. I was worried about running it under the car and it getting snagged on something.
I run it through the cabin i had not problem
Could you please give more information about this boost switch. Because at the moment I think to attach switch on the gas pedal
Ok
Hi where did you bought that turbo boost switch?
Prometh company or look online for it
@@taco8v what do you call it? Im from italy
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ok, I am seriously impressed. What year is your jetta?
2002
What is the engine code of your Jetta? PD or good old tdi?
Alh
does your system spray same amount of propane all time or it regulates same as diesel fuel injection is regulated
Propane sprays the same amount all the time through a regulator all ready set to some amount . Regardless if you press the gas to inject more diesel or not
This is the Badgerland kit right? I'm thinking about getting this kit for my 1997 Mercedes Sprinter (2.9L 5-cylinder TDI, never sold in the US).
From what I understand from their eBay-page the kit uses their vacuum-sensor in the intake piping to gradually increase the amount of propane injected based on the vacuum reading.
Did you modify the system to have the same amount being sprayed? If so, why?
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said!
@@taco8v
No modded is how it came from the box and this uses boost not vacuum
@@taco8v i had lpg system on carburated engine and it had no electronic control, only mechanical/ pneumatic control, so you could install it on your system and it will add gas in some percent in depend of rpm
@makantahi3731 this one has is electronically and i can controlled from inside of the car i can turn it on and off how i want it . And the way you said it will be on spraying all the time the engine is running
could you in more detail how you wired the pressure switch ? is that a hobbs 3-wire with a5 volt reference from the ecm making it a potentiomter to increase propane demand upon engine rpm or load
Hey bud. No is just one wire to cut or put power On the switch, and is activated by boost like you see on the video nothing else.
@@taco8v great video! Where I can find that boost switch? Do I have to make a drill in the manifold to install it? Because I think that this switch is the master key of all this installation!
It came in the kit
Is your regulator adjustable? Have you fine tuned the amount it sprays for the most economical value?
The kit is purchased for the type of vehicle you have And so the regulator you will get is tuned to your specific car. They won’t send you a regulator for an f250 if you clearly have a different car 🤦🏽♂️.so you don’t have to worry to mess with the regulator at all. The gas propane has a lot of pressure don’t underestimate the high pressure thats why you need a regulator so the propane doesn’t blew you engine in one shot lol
In Australia LPG is propane with butane
It’s the same they burn the same way. just one has different pressure and hold temperatures, you cannot leave one at sun exposed because it build pressure lpg or butane vs propane propane is the most reliable to leave outside and cold temperatures the other I forgot now but both are the same type of gas just different environments use
Can you help me do this to my Volkswagen?
Yeah
Where could I get a kit like yours
The link and phone number in the description doesn’t work?
Do you feel an increase in horsepower... when you accelerate going up hill.... I want to make my truck with a 4cyl gas motor go up hill faster...
Yeah man its like nitrous lol
@@taco8vI dont think it would be like nitrous by just a few more horse power would be good enough for me.. Nitrous would probably burn valves over power my motor and blow the head gasket...
Just 5 to 10mph from 60 to 65 or 70 going up a long hill would be fine for me...if it could do that...
I said it feels like nitrous not the is nitrous 🤦🏽♂️lol
We'll it's an investment to consider..
my engine is fuel injected gasoline..
It's a 22re 4cyl Toyota motor. No mods. Would like the ability to unbolt this or any other mod for horsepower that I put on.. Some
Results for electric turbo with separate battery look good but can be expensive...
On this hookup looks easier and takes less space under hood and may fit better. I will have to check budget... Would like to try this cause The said electric turbo kit that works best costs about $2k so that is not gonna happen..
Heavier flywheel costs $400 plus clutch plus install ($500) and you can't take that back off.
New bigger intake with labor and install IDK price but sounds expensive...
Them there is this propane injection system. Sounds like a gamble.haven' seen it done in a gas motor to increase H.P. or mileage but might just give it a try..
Ooh man I didn’t know you car was gasoline . In that case propane is not an option the company doesn’t recommend to install propane in gasoline cars because theres not much difference in power , only diesel they said . But theres a solution for you slow gasoline engine up hill Get a water-methanol kit that will help you a lot probably same as propane or better because spraying water methanol cleans the engine as well
How exactly is the mpg improved? The computer sees there is more fuel(because you injected propane) and cuts some of the diesel?
Exactly and for me 1 tank of 5 gallons of propane last me 2 months or 2 fuel tanks 🤷♂️
Bought golf 5 tdi bkd and lpg kit and will instal in next few month, let see,can’t wait to see results
@migikuburic4237 power results
Is this the badgerland propane kit?
No this is from usa
@@taco8v yes. Badgerland is. Don’t you run the 800mitdi club?
No mine is the #800milesclub
Hi. It looks simple, but also complicated. You say, you got the kit and the evaporator-regulator was already set. My biggest concern: this system interferes with diesel system. Diesel mixture must be lets say 15:1 ratio. And if you add another same part of propane, then it's 15:2. Its way to rich. Unless a regulator must be set like 10-20 perc from it's normal capacity running lpg on other usual petrol engine. Knowing that diesel engines always run lean, that extra 10-20perc lpg would not make big difference in ratio. Watched video about nissan skyactic tech. That was some incredible engine efficienty.
This tdi’s man has the system all ready programmed in the ecu , if is reach you will notice in the acceleration , if is lean the ecu can also measure that and compensate. The injection pump can do that. That’s why it can save fuel because the ip cuts fuel back if is another source feeding the engine. Have you actually try it your self to see how it acts in you car?
Hey es you buy it you buy is for what cylinder engine you have. If you have a 4cyl car obviously you don’t buy the kit for a v8 because it sprays way more propane. Same as a grill have the regulator or stove. They regulate this for you car all ready. If they wouldn’t work you think they will have being in sales now a days? Call the company and ask them your concerns and tell them why they selling it if you think the this doesn’t works. But first try the kit in you car because complain.
Well that was very important thing about ecu, about which I think I did'nt heard you saying in this video😦
@@edgarasvas tdi can do that man stock software from vw has it. The ecu detects extra source feeding the car and she immediately cut the diesel back and stays with whatever is feeding. But it doesn’t cut it at all. And I never mentioned anything about this. Because you supposed to know this by now if you owns a tdi. They have ecu same as the gasoline the does the same thing.
@@taco8v well, I thought, I will buy lpg regulator, boost switch, gas tank, some copper tubes, some switches, put everything together, set propane on low as possible(10perc of usual ratio), and get at least 10 perc diesel fuel economy. I was wrong
What happens if your boost sensor detects boost and keeps the solenoid open and the propane is still spraying while you are slowing down to stop?
Hey man. If detect boost and your boost switch is set at 25 pounds (example)and propane switch is on ,than it will spray propane. You can always turn it off from the main switch 🤷♂️
@@taco8v What causes it not to continually build boost? Is it because the propane alone is not enough increase engine RPM's?
@farmer864 buddy i don’t understand your question! Are you concerned of what? Please start all over. I speak Spanish if it helps 🤷♂️.
That being said. The car will built boost normally up to whatever boost you car can handle. The system won’t come on because it has a switch inside the car or whatever you have installed to send power to the boost switch. If that boost switch sees boost it won’t do anything if it doesn’t have power from the main switch. Hope this clears it.
@@taco8v sorry, will the car run on propane alone? im trying to figure out what keeps the turbo from running away? your foot pedal turns off the fuel, but the boost sensor turns off the propane.
@@farmer864 the car won’t run on straight propane no. I have tried that but not enough blow by from the regulator to cause that. I being testing in here and there. But so far is still working.
If you turn the main switch the controls the power to the boost switch. The regulator never gonna release propane unless the boost switch send the signal and only if you have the switch on inside the car. You can adjust your boost pressure switch yes. To kick propane in at some different boost level. Like example only will spray propane at 20psi and up if you under 20 it doesn’t matter if you have the main switch on it won’t spray until it reaches 20psi and up.
If you decelerated than you car won’t built boost and the boost switch will cut spraying. My personal boost set in the boost switch is 7psi because my foot is very light. But i will suggest to set it at 10psi and go from there. You will feel the kick.
So let me ask you this... theoretically since lpg injection raises horsepower and so do evry mod can the combination of the two be an easy way to raise a lot of horsepower? Specially since lpg helps burn the fuel fully and evry mod adds fuel??
Nope. You asking to blew headgaskets
Much sad face. Be cool otherwise... could you tell me what the issue with that would be? I'm noob when it comes to diesel performance. I appreciate your time.
If you have a stock engine , they are all ready high impression and the more you add the more compression, if you don’t have arp studs to hold the head down with all that compression + propane and water meth you will only use you car for 1 or 2 full pull after that is gone. Otherwise you will drive as a grandma trying to not blew your head gasket and whats the point to have all that and you not able to used ? So the best is fix your engine by making it stronger. And you go from there. Don’t just add stuff. Just saying so you save money on top end. Now if you don’t care about the engine. Well add all what you want 🤷♂️
I definitely see what you are saying and thats exactly why I asked such a question. Seemed quite a bit suspicious to me that no one has gone this route for cheap tons of power but this makes sense. You must first do supporting mods and at that point your gonna do so much more other stuff and just end doing it the right way that you'd pass up the evry mod + lpg margins to begin with. Makes sense.
@@philhans7437 i will stay away of evry mode. Look lpg adds like 50hp + and about 15 to 30hp on water meth idk about envry but this will dump tons of unmeasured fuel. If you want to play with lpg which i think is enough. You will feel the kick but thats it don’t mess with adding more. If you planning to add more and be safe. Right now you are on time. Buy the arp studs and change one by one in you car and retorque the head without removing it. Than you can play with more Remember stock rods don’t hold to much.
But lpg and water meth and more boost will.
With slightly bigger turbo. But please get the arp studs. Now if you get the rods. Well even better.
Where are you located?
Ocean city Maryland
@@taco8v how much to fly you to WA and install this system for me?
Where is wA?
@@taco8v Seattle Washington
How you managed to change diesel intake? Or ECU automaticaly detected more power and reduced diesel amount injected?
Because ecu detects the doesn’t need more diesel and cuts it off when need it. Its a mk4 2003 it has technology. Is not the im driving a mk1 lol
@@taco8v another question:
doesnt propane mess up with maf readings?
Or your maf is after the propane injection nozzle?
No it doesn’t the ecu detects fuel or some source of fuel and cuts off and my propane nozzle is after the maf. But i don’t care if it gets messed up is deleted from my tune anyways. But the company recommends to place the nozzle after the maf.
I got a wagon tdi that I wanna put on propane too. Mines all stock. Can you give an update on how this system is working for you? I found a place locally that has spare tire tanks and I really want to do this. Im using your video and a few others I’ve found to help plan it out.
Yes I can man. I will make a video soon about that one. You can pm me when you ready to start at Instagram
@@taco8v pm’d u dude thanks
Are you ready to start? You got everything bought it all ready?
How long does your propane tank last
All depends how open is your regulator man is is really open maybe one week or month depending on how much you used and how much your regulator is. I have 15 pounds of propane and last me a tank and a half of fuel wich is around 1300 1400 miles in my car. But this is with the regulator valve really closed but i can open it up and just go 1 tank of fuel and 2 of propane but the power like this is amazing.