i mean, thats supposed to be what the video is about. its like a topic sentence in an essay, after stating the topic sentence the rest of the paragraph would be to explain about that, give examples, things like that.
well, now we know where Knull is. He's currently sealed in the Sony verse. The celestials, gods and what not probably thought that the Sony verse is a perfect place to seal off a terrible being such as Knull.
Venom needs to be a hard-R rated movie, especially when Carnage gets involved. Putting those characters in a PG-13 setting just neuters them and makes them boring.
I believe it's possible to make a good pg-13 Venom movie. Its just that the scripts are all over the place, the protagonists stay a good amount of time goofing around and there is no emotional payoff because the build ups are too poor.
To be fair though, Knull is not a villain that Venom could take on. Knull can go toe to toe against Galactus. Remember in Guardians of the Galaxy, that giant skull planet (Knowhere) that was floating in space? In the comics, that's a dead Celestial that was killed by Knull. Celestials are those giant robot like "gods" in The Eternals; and Knull kills those things as a hobby. I'm by no means saying this was a good movie, but I will say that lore wise, it makes sense why Venom only fought his pawns and not Knull himself.
My thing is this why tease him in the trailers then? I haven't seen the movie but I'm assuming knull is going to be just a post credit scene right? That was my biggest concern about this movie you showed knull in the trailer getting people hyped knowing that he was barely going to be in the movie. I agree that it makes sense to not have knull fight venom because there's no way venom stands a chance against knull but people were expecting to see knull fight because Sony put him in the trailer now people are disappointed. You get what I'm saying
@@broderickfoster2107 I agree with you but because Sony put him in the trailer hyping him up people actually wanted to see him actually do something and fight even tho it doesn't make sense for venom to fight knull because that's not even a fair fight. People are still going to be disappointed
@@JaylonHarden this is Sony we're talking about, the lowest of the low. They had posters of spiderman in the morbius trailers only to remove them for the actual movie just to get people to watch it lol. Theyre showing knull because they need to give people a reason to watch this movie
''and then Knull would be free. And they'd team up to fight him'' Knull's description: Knull was an eldritch god of darkness and the creator of the symbiotes. While residing in the primordial void that existed between the Sixth and Seventh Cosmoses, he was awakened when the Celestials invaded his kingdom of darkness with light. Knull was chosen by the Celestials to serve as the King in Black but he rejected the responsibility. With the first symbiote in the form of a sword, he decapitated one of them and used its severed head's divine power to refine the blade,[12] linking both Knull and the Necrosword to the fallen cosmic god Bruh, they would lose so bad
They did a terrible job at teasing Knull. He was basically a blank canvas, unlike Thanos who had actually dialog with other characters, Knull just says "go" to his little hunters... The build up could've been better much better. For people who aren't aware of Knull and who he is, they're not going to care since he basically has no personality in the movie.
@@youngsway8696 true if I didn’t watch a recap about king in black comic he would look like some weird creepy old guy that seats on his throne and just order his minion around. Like they only show how the symbiote were scared of him and glazing him to destroy everything meanwhile the symbiote were literally the thing that lock him away kinda goes against the whole hype of him being op
I liked it, yeah there were messy parts and when they’re messy, they’re MESSY. But I also thought when it was good, it was GOOD. Final note, I honestly thought some of the emotional beats were well-executed for the most part. The scene with Eddie in the hippy family’s van was kind of touching. Especially when the tone shifts to be more melancholy as Venom and Eddie realise what they missed out on.▪▪
Just got back from the movie and i think this sums up how i feel about it. Its not great but there were good moments in it that i could really appreciate
Knull is planned for Spiderman 4. He's multiversal and is so powerful that he can solo celestials. It's not appropriate and respectful to use him in a movie like this.
Why there is not a lot of KNULL stuff in the movie??? Short answer :- If he's released, the movie would be over in seconds........IT'S JUST OVER......He is WAYYYYY WAAAYYYYYYY TOOOOOOO POWERRRRFULLLLLLL. Long answer (spoilers from comicbooks) :- He is THE GOD OF SYMBIOTES, LORD OF THE ABYSS......even DARKNESS BOWS to him......I completely understand ur criticisms.....but let me tell u what he is capable of 3:19 if he's released.......some of the feats that he has shown in the comics 1. He ONE-SHOT CELESTIAL BEINGS. The beings that created Eternals, Deviants, planets etc. Celestials are beings that are on the same plane as Infinity, Galactus, The Living Tribunal etc.... 2. He slaughters ENIGMA FORCE......one of the most powerful forces in marvel. It's essentially the soul of the universe, a sentient cosmic force, it's main purpose is to maintain balance darkness and light. It's the embodiment of creation and life. 3. He RIPPED SENTRY WITH HIS BARE-FUCKING-HANDS. Sentry is considered as the Superman of Marvel universe having the power of a million exploding suns and on fusing with THE VOID that makes him near immortal and near limitless in power. Sentry single-handedly destroyed Asgard with little to no effort, he battled world breaker Hulk to a standstill and killed Molecular man (one of the best reality manipulators and warpers in comics). 4. Knull defeats Thor. This is not a normal thor......This is an AMPED THOR that defeated Black winter (The devourer of Universes) 5. Knull's Darkness corrupted even the silver sufferer So, before properly introducing knull.....Sony/Marvel has to introduce a lot of other characters and make them powerful so that they can atleast stand their ground without getting overwhelmed by the darkness infront of Knull.
Having Knull in live action was kind of a lose-lose situation. Either Knull would be comic accurate but not do anything or be adapted unfaithfully but do a lot of stuff. Honestly I’m glad Knull is faithful to his comic counterpart but I wish he did more.
The last scene where he is walking with the maroon 5 song playing was really emotional for me, not just because of the movie but the scene and what eddy must have felt then..
The second one was the most inexcusable one because of what Carnage was SUPPOSED to be, the first one was overhated to be honest. The R-rating would've helped the trilogy a lot.
@@HearMeLearn It was pointed out by many that Carnage and Cletus weren't symbiotic in the movie, which was one of the main things that made them much more dangerous and powerful than Venom and Eddie in the comics. Heck they were such a perfect match in the comics that they identified a singular entity
I liked it, yeah there were messy parts and when they’re messy, they’re MESSY. But I also thought when it was good, it was GOOD. Final note, I honestly thought some of the emotional beats were well-executed for the most part. The scene with Eddie in the hippy family’s van was kind of touching. Especially when the tone shifts to be more melancholy as Venom and Eddie realise what they missed out on.
Yeah im ngl im a sucker for emotional scenes so the way eddie was like “he’s my best friend in the entire world” and venom asked eddie to never forget him made me like the movie. I cant say anything lore wise cause I don’t watch marvel movies in general, but the relationship was just so adorable that it made it a decent movie for me. It’s not the best movie but it’s touching
I thought the movie was great for those reasons. The action scenes were awesome and the more emotional scenes between Eddie and Venom were really sweet. I think if anything can be said about the Venom movies, it’s that they do a great job showing Venom and Eddie’s relationship. I might be biased tho, I’ll always be a huge fan no matter what lol
@@htfs493 no bro this was exactly what i was saying like that scene was beautiful and others bc u they kept showing eddie sad even when venom asked him i wish i could see her. eddie couldnt stop thinkin abt his ex(forgot her name) even in the 3rd movie. the rest tho felt like i was scrolling thru tiktok, clips after clips after clips, it felt random
The reason they can't release Knull is because he's too strong, and there isn't a character out rn that can beat him. Venom had to wield the combination of Mjolnir and the Silver Surfers board in a fight against Knull, while also embodying additional cosmic power. No character released in all of cinema can beat Knull rn they have to build to his release and needs Venom Son most important.
What are u on about? King in black happened. They are literally doing current Venom comics where Venom and his son have beaten Null, Eddie has become god, and actually currently, Carnage is the symbiote god 😂
@GrimAngel01100 no shit, clearly you didn't comprehend the comment. It's a build up they need to get to and release the characters into the marvel universe before they can release Knull from his prison.
@@achilleszeus I understand the comment. The point of mine, was that you're wrong, there are characters in the cinematic verse that can beat him. The only issue is how the want to go about doing so, because having him show up and be defeated in one movie isnt fitting of how important and powerful a character he is. Has jack shit and fuck all to do with not having anyone who can beat him.
Light spoiler here: I love how they put so much focus on the blonde scientist and then her friend does like all of the meaningful or cool stuff. She's honestly useless like the girl in Transformers: The Last Knight and had way too much attention to be effectively a side character's side character.
Bruh set him up for what? For Morbius and Madam web to team up with Venom? The Venom movies are done lol and no one wants to see Knull return for some trash verse that no one is hyped for.
I feel like it brings up the question of why even have him in the story to begin with. They shouldve told a different story with Venom and Eddie if they were only going to use the weakest characters to fight Venom because in the comics realistically those are the only ones he can take on.
They definitely made the minions WAAAY too stong and when they realised during the making of the movie that there was no way venom could win, they spent the climax on the dogs instead of Null.
@@commandergoji886Yeah man I agree, for once the minions in a Marvel movie felt like a real threat. If just 1 of them alone are enough to almost wipe out the symbiotes on Earth then no wonder they're afraid of Knull.
Kinda makes sense. The whole build up to the Null fight in the comics was crazy, and when he shows up he rips Sentry in half. At the state the movie Venom is at rn, he shouldn't even be able to deal with a symbiot dragon.
"Eddie I cant do a full transform otherwise it'll notify the hunters exactly where I am..... now excuse me while I do a dance montage in full transformation"
These two sentences were a whole few days apart, also it was hinted that venom loves music and things like that back in the van scene, its not too far fetched, it also a really good way to connect the plot by making the hunter follow the army
3:47 because they are just setting up Knull right now, it would be disappointing if he's a one off movie type of character because he's VERY IMPORTANT to the multiverse story, and also it's just a rumour right now, but the villain for spider man 4 is likely to be knull
@@HardcorePoet yeah that's true, they should have used a different villian. But they tried using Knull and the execution of that was quite good because Knull is Thanos level or even more than that level strong, even one of his minions was too much while being basically unkillable.
I guess you don't read comics because if you did you would realize that Knull not being in this move is the ABSOLUTE BEST THING ABOUT IT. In basically every comic he's in Knull if multiple leagues above Thanos in terms of power, and it takes basically every hero in existence to fight together to beat him. If they would have beat knull in this movie it would have been the worst decision the MCU ever made.
@deshawnwilliams6939 i mean, he has to be introduced somehow. Unless you read the comics, no one is gonna have a clue who he is. Hopefully, there next move is to follow Absolute Carnage.
The movie felt like it had 7 different stories . The lighting chick for no reason. The Hippy Family. The Military Guy. KNULL. VENOM AND EDDIE, MRS. CHEN, MULTIVERSE BAR GUY, That Van sequence, went on for way too long. That Mrs. Chen meeting was really random. The end credit scene didn't make any sence as now Knull had a way to escape anyways without the codex. So making the movie plot moot. And man. That van scene went on for too long.
@@youngsway8696Especially since the movie was only an hour and a half Maybe it would have been viewed as bad if they made it a two hour movie Or at least fucking shortened it Not to mention showing all the new symbiotes just to immediately kill them off
@trippymlgjunkrat5749 Killin' off all the new Symbiotes was pretty stupid and don't even get me started on Scream being a speedster now just because tye scientist was hit by lightning as a child.
Hot take: I think the new symbiotes losing to the creatures was a good call. The main villain seemed so strong with some characters saying that it would be the end for everything if he was free. Plus, the fact that all the introduced symbiotes lost to the creatures gives a good idea of how strong that main villain can be without being really knowledgeable about the marvel universe. Another reason why I think its a good call is because it gives a despair-feeling which the villain cast should make us feel. The only way to stop Knull was to lose a main protanganist, not the first path to choose but the only one to stop Knull.
Not a hot take. This is accurate. Context matters. Only issue is direction of Knull. Should've kept the mystery regarding him a bit more. The 3rd movie tried a lil hard on making Avengers 1 2.0 since we're literally introduced with Knull at the intro instead of only having him at the end credits like with Thanos.
@@koalaleaves844 yea the Xenophages are called symbiote hunters in the movie, would be kinda weird if it just got regularly beat by the symbiote power of friendship
Just imagine avengers infinity war, but thanos in the movie for 10 seconds, iron man is the only superhero, and the main bad guys are ebony maw, proxima midnight, and cull obsidian
4:50 I disagree with that take, Knull is too op for even all those symbiotes to beat him, treat Knull how Thanos was treated little glimpses of his power, until you can get a big enough team and multiple heroes to defeat Knull. This was a film to setup the arrival of Knull.
@@wizardgaming6759if the studio is smart they'll do it the way Marvel did with Thanos. And then eventually end up with Venom and Eddie merging with the Enigma Force, and combining Mjolnir and the Silver Surfers board to make the Axe of Light and woop Knull as it was told in the source material.
@@wizardgaming6759 you ain’t wrong but I doubt they gonna make him as strong as in the comics, same thing they did with Thanos for the sake of the movies progressing, idk how they gonna handle him cuz he literally one shot every hero in the comics, but they gonna have to bring Venom back
I don’t even care if the film isn’t even that bad or good I’m just worried what Sony is gonna do with Knull moving forward he’s literally more threatening than Thanos.
I think the problem is that people now act like every movie has to be a masterpiece or deep or something. Sometimes I just want to watch a movie with a simple premise, simple plot, no messages or deeper meanings, no complex plot devices and nothing that requires a second thought. Just well put together but with the sole purpose of being entertaining and that’s it.
Not gonna lie, for a character with dozens upon dozens of comics on his name, surely the writing team could have done a better job with the Venom franchise... it was basically hard-carried by Tom Hardy's performance and the CGI department
dude what really should have happened is that knull should have been the big bad in this movie, and then killed venom as its the last in the trilogy. imagine how good that would have been
No shit.. this is well known. Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't modified, tom hardy is notorious for being able to diversify his voice into many different characters. Legend, Bikeriders, Venom, The Daek Knight Rises, Lawless, Capone, he's got phenomenal range and personability.
I actually don’t even like when stuff like that happens, because to me it’s basically the actor talking to themselves. I personally would’ve gotten a different actor to voice Venom.
Here’s my issue is that it got really campy in the middle and venom went from being terrified to come out to dancing. The film left its own created reality several times in the middle of the movie. But the beginning and ending are good.
It’s not good. Its fun! Look a movie doesn’t need to be a masterpiece all the time. It just needs to be a good time. Venom has always been that. And I feel this delivered again.
5:08, I was also disappointed by Knull not actually showing up (even with the film essentially establishing if he did, everyone would lose), though for the most part, the Xenophages served a pretty good physical threat (which seems appropriate give they are considered "symbiote hunters") and the focus of the film was more on Venom's last....hurrah on Earth, getting to enjoy as much of it as he could with his friend until it was time for him to die. Either way, the action and use of several corporealized symbiotes at once with their own special appearances and attributes was still the highlight of the film, especially Dr. "Christmas" getting turned into Lasher, which made it genuinely tragic when not only these symbiotes died after heroically battling the Xenophages and getting turned to mulch by them. My only gripe was that the scene wasn't longer and that only a handful of symbiotes were utilized (the first film and this one both had appearances from Venom's comic book offshoots, Riot, Scream, Phage, Lasher and Agony, but they don't all get corporealized).
Knull was built up in the comics for two and a half years. Monthly issues in the Venom run as well as getting to check him out in Silver Surfer Black. When he finally showed up on Earth in King in Black, he was a devastating force to all of Earth's heroes. And yes, Knull is badass. But the most tragic part of this misuse is that this was a very emotional story for Eddie and Venom. Eddie learns he has a son and tries to connect with him. But he's not a good dad. He doesn't even know how to love himself. He's not ready for this. He struggles emotionally with Venom, as they both try to look after each other but lie and keep things from each other. There is a real relationship between Eddie and Venom where neither of them are in a good spot but they need each other and are trying to do their best. All while Knull is this looming threat. And then there's the multiverse stuff where is teases that Dylan (Eddie's son) may be able to stop Knull or maybe he becomes Knull or maybe its just a different universe and none of that matters but then you have to decide how to deal with all that info. Donny cates' Venom run did more for Venom than anything has in 30 years.
AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands *Venom: Last Dance* Daredevil (2003)* The Punisher (2004)* Elektra (2005)* Fantastic Four (2005)* X-Men: The Last Stand* Spider-Man 3* Bratz (2007)* Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance* The Amazing Spider-Man 2* Ghost in the Shell (2017)* Venom: Let There Be Carnage* Uncharted (2022)* Morbius And now he's gonna ruin... * Kraven the Hunter* Legend of Zelda* Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope.
one of the few things I liked about this trilogy has been the wave of Eddie x Venom fanfiction. And I'm not talking about the coffeeshop au, fluff fanfics here, I mean the kind with a capital F.
Venom will never be at full potential without a spider-man counterpart. The whole point is venom is a parasite that forces the darkest and most selfish desires to emerge. It's stupid to make him a comic relief companion doing goofy voices dancing around while spitting out pop-culture references. Spider-Man 3 (despite it's flaws) conveyed the path the symbiote leads characters down as they become attached. Sony's poor attempt at holding on the characters of Marvel is pathetic. Every villain is forced to be an anti-hero. I'm sure audiences would be even more interested if they made villains truly evil. Kraven the Hunter looks like it will follow the same boring formula. edit: turns out source material has a more satirical version called lethal venom. I am wrong. I personally prefer the edgier parasite version, but yeah- a goofy version exists.
UR JUST SO WRONG HLAF WAY AFTER SPIDER MAN ARC HE BECOMES A GOOD GUY AND DOES WANT TO ACTULLY BE GOOD JUST DEPENDING ON THE HOST THATS THE ONLY THING I COULDNT SEE HIM WITHOUT EDDIE NOW
According to the original version of Spider-Man 3, the symbiote was supposed to be actually consuming and mutating Eddie while he was Venom. It was supposed to represent Eddie's hatred of both Peter and Spider-Man literally eating him alive. And when he was supposed to get impaled during the climax, the symbiote was supposed to melt off of Eddie's mutated skeleton, revealing that Eddie was successfully consumed by it.
I think if you give the Venom concept and characters to the same people who made Deadpool then Venom would've been a top tier superhero/villain series.
Ryan Reynolds is perfect for Deadpool, and alot of the Deadpool movies' humour is just Ryan Reynolds. Whilst I imagine Ryan Reynolds could do Venom much better given time, I don't think he'd do Venom much more justice than the Sont Venom movies as a character, even if the movies he'd help make would be better overall.
Was suppose to see it today with my dad after he got off work then he had a heart attack. He's staying in the hospital rn. Today was the most stressful day of my life. Please send positive energy and love and prayers his way.
As a huge lover of the movies and Venom, The Venom Movies are not the best written wise but god dame they are so enjoyable. The action, the characters, and comedy is the best, sure it’s not everyone’s favorite type of movie or Venom but it is to me. And hearing people and articles calling this one of the worst comic movies is genuinely insane and stupid.
Because it made over 850 mil global. People wanted to see Venom on the big screen. Venom is a fan favorite character, that is all there is to it. Would've been so much better if it was just rated r but oh well
@@StillycoBra5150 “Venimmm I got that adrenaline momentummmm n I'mmmm not knowin' when I'mmm ever gonna slow up n I'mmmm ready to snap any moment I'mmm thinkin it's time to go get emmm”
@@SourPatchCJ Eminem tends to bend the pronunciation of words so they pair better. I’m pretty sure he does pronounce the o but he does it extremely briefly and skips to the mmmm. If you try doing it yourself you’ll understand.
Just seen it tonight, I enjoyed it, it was a bit too jokey at times, but I honestly feel like they've left the door open for a venom return. Remember the piece of venom left on the coin at the start, well that could be used to bring him back. Eddie and venoms aim was to get to new York, who lives there? Well Spiderman of course. And it's been announced recently that there is going to be another Spiderman movie and more avengers movies. I know I sound crazy but I could see a world where the "new avengers" include venom and Deadpool.
If Venom were to be alive, which I dont think he is bc knull said something about a fallen black one, he wouldn't be able to be with Eddie. Because the plot would have to be repeated since the codex would still exist. plus, I believe Tom has said he won't return to play Venom. I would guess the little sample is Venoms 'child', and if they made another it would be of the purple symbiote and maybe that sample as a symbiote too. But no Venom and Eddie.
4:00 Knull is one of my favourite comic book villains of all time. I’m dissatisfied. The thing is venom could never beat Knull. He should have never been the antagonist
3:56 the way i saw the pawn alien things was just as like a small demonstration of what he could do. Like 1 could basically take down like 7 symbiotes no problem. I feel like for this movie you have to watch it with the mindset that its a venom movie and not a marvel movie. Like ofc knull wasn’t gonna do anything because he’s too op. The teaser at the end suggests that the character could still come back and the job would be to protect venom or something from knull army and have like an endgame moment where they fail now they gotta deal with him. Idk just my thoughts cause they treated him like a universal ending threat.
Yeah Sony just isn’t really putting real effort into these movies. I bet they could make them good if they actually tried like with the Spider Verse movies but they just don’t care to. They just want money and don’t actually care about making something with taste.
i think the main issue people have with it is Knull. The creator of symbiotes, the darkness that came before, an actual fuckin god in the comics, and he literally does nothing in this. That was the main thing in the trailers, showing him and illustrating him as this ultimate evil, just for him to be a cameo at best.
Honestly I feel like people were a little misled by the trailer, since this film is only meant to set up Knull for future movies, NOT just a one and done.
Bro they are obviously going to use him for Spider-Man 4 they wouldn't introduce this celestial level being to be wasted in a movie like this no way they would be stupid to do that
its a tease for the next venom film. *spoiler the after credits basically show us word for word that its going to be like the comics. we have a new fantastic 4 coming and do you know who beat knull? silver surfer himself...
@@MekoTM still killed knull and would’ve been a better plot point. I know they couldn’t have used the Thor part of the lore but they could’ve worked it.
its a type of movie that does not suck in theatre and its okay, its like eating moldy yogurt but you are not lactose intolerant or have a gag reflex to yogurt. but yeah i get why people who are trying to watch it at home who get upset and close the movie halfway.
What they should've done is make an Amazing Spiderman 3. Venom team ups with Andrew Garfields spiderman and fight the symbiote dog, and then it sets up the introduction to Venom fighting Knull in Venom 3
Stop this Andrew Garfield's spiderman movies are done y'all made sure of it when people complained to hell and back about his movies back then then rewatched it and then came to the conclusion the movies and his spiderman were goated especially after no way home, and now y'all want a comeback? I wish more people saw that those movies were actually good back then, but you know what they say too little to late
If you know anything about knull you already knew it wasn't going anywhere. He's a primordial universal threat on par or even above Celestials. Gods bigger than planets. They don't even have the budget to show knull. He's an end game villlan. Even Thanos would piss himself in front of him. The mistake was choosing to use him. They wanted a huge name but they simply had no way to show it without breaking Canon and ruining one of the greatest villans in that universe.
I'm at 3:55, so maybe you address this later, but you don't see a lot of Knull because he's Marvel's new big-baddie. They had to scramble to find something post Johnathan Majors, and Knull is probably going to be it. He's way more powerful than Thanos, so from a story perspective Venom shouldn't be able to fight him 1-on-1. Expect more end-of-credits teases of Knull over the next few Marvel movies, symbiotes playing a huge role in the next Spiderman movie, they're retreading territory here; more integration of the symbiotes in other Marvel movies outside of the main Spiderman franchise and the next Avengers movie being about Knull. At least that's what I expect, because anything less is kind of bad? If they just go straight to Knull being killed by Spiderman without the buildup, it's going to be pretty disappointing. We should get an Avenger's movie out of it.
@@Scyppo I remember, they're bringing back RDJ, but Doom isn't really a bad guy he's more of an anti-hero. If Venom is all we get of Knull, I'm going to be disappointed.
@@Scyppo Depends on the writer and the story. During Time Runs Out and Secret Wars, he was firmly in the "don't let the Beyonder's destroy Earth, it belongs to Doom", camp and while that might not be an altruistic reason, he was still on the side of good. During Battleworld, even Stephen Strange remarks that although Doom might not have been the best choice to keep the last bits of the multi-verse from being destroyed, he was also the only one who would take the job and to have the will power to do what needed to be done. Strange himself said he didn't have it in him. Sure he is an authoritarian dictator who will not negotiate on his vision and rules with an iron fist, but his kingdom also enjoys unparallel technological gains, a healthy economy, a strong military and a happy populace who are overall satisfied with his rule. AFAIK, that's how he's written most of the time.
@@Agent-vf5dq honestly it's supringly accurate to Knull. He sits, waits to get freed, gets freed, spends about a year travelling to earth, and then instantly takes out all the heavy hitters
They could always just change him for the movie version, I'd rather see a new nerfed version of Knull fight in the movie rather than just see him sit a chair
Completely agree. Just saw it, i enjoyed it. It's better than Madame Web, and Morbius. And ya it's definitely not the worst Venom movie either. It is definitely overhated
"it's better than the 2 dumps I took in the toliet" bro just admitted to thinking this is good for simply being better than some of sony's worst movies ever.
Title: Overhated Venom 3 Charlie: “Forgettable trilogy, movie was a SLOG to get through, weakest in the series, Knull was underutilized, the enemies were his puppies, couldn’t believe the send off” So… guess it should be mid hated?
@@motorcycle-man Charlie seemed to imply it was leaning in between terrible and ok, given his rant. If Tom Hardy half assed a performance, then that’s saying something. But either way I just liked that he had mostly negatives outside of the action that he graced the movie as mid. I personally haven’t seen it tho so I can’t say
Sometimes, movies don't have to make sense, they don't require a good plot. What matters then, is the pure fun that comes with them. And with the action, funny moments of the Eddie-Venom relationship, visuals... I get that the depiction of Venom from those 3 films might not be for everyone, but I think that if we turn our brains off, Venom 3 is an experience of pure fun, that's why I recommend it to everyone
I love that the intro to every video is always just a continuation or response to its own title
Not always but a nice touch especially if you click after you read the title
@@Hokkai9401I would hope you only click after reading the title
i mean, thats supposed to be what the video is about. its like a topic sentence in an essay, after stating the topic sentence the rest of the paragraph would be to explain about that, give examples, things like that.
A lot of times we click because of the thumbnail without reading the title@@friffzn
yeah its the opposite of click bait lol
knull is one of the most over powered characters in marvel if they would’ve made him fight and lose, then the hate would be 1000x times worse
this is sadly true. they should of just not even brought him into the film
So what's even the point of the character lol
@@jasonmoore7223 to show the creator of symbiotes other than tht literally nothing (for the movies)
Doctor doom will kill him eventually
loki live action slams knull
sadly knull is just WAYYY too op for a venom movie. keeping him at bay instead of fully defeating him is the only possible way this couldve gone
Or just get a different villain for the movie instead of hyping him up just for him to never do anything
@@toxicchatman8975 agreed, def shouldve just saved knull
well, now we know where Knull is. He's currently sealed in the Sony verse. The celestials, gods and what not probably thought that the Sony verse is a perfect place to seal off a terrible being such as Knull.
@@toxicchatman8975like Darkseid in the newer DC movies 😂 and decided to cancel the whole DCU movies entirely 😂
@@toxicchatman8975they do this for all big villains just to hype them up for the team up movies.
They would’ve gotten killed in like 40 seconds fighting Knull😭
Venom beat Knull in the comics
@@fadingblack272 yeah but that was with cosmic powers
Knull is like the most powerful of the symbiote I take it 🤔?
@cavaliothorson7755 The creator of them. The god of the void. He forged the first one his blade in the head of a celestial he one shotted.
@@fadingblack272is this movie venom even as close to the strength of the venom in that comic run. Take a lap 🤡
Venom needs to be a hard-R rated movie, especially when Carnage gets involved. Putting those characters in a PG-13 setting just neuters them and makes them boring.
Hard-R rated?
I believe it's possible to make a good pg-13 Venom movie. Its just that the scripts are all over the place, the protagonists stay a good amount of time goofing around and there is no emotional payoff because the build ups are too poor.
Venomer
@@Denarus2 I like the goof off parts, the best parts of the movies are when Venom and Eddie are being buddies
"Hard-r" is not a rating. These are movies. Not slurs
They did Venom a huge injustice by never letting him meet Spiderman
He will, but not in a Venom movie
then that will be everyone high expectations , so the meetup didn't happened.
thats so bad broooo @@blengblong01712
@@blengblong01712 yeah
100%
To be fair though, Knull is not a villain that Venom could take on. Knull can go toe to toe against Galactus. Remember in Guardians of the Galaxy, that giant skull planet (Knowhere) that was floating in space? In the comics, that's a dead Celestial that was killed by Knull. Celestials are those giant robot like "gods" in The Eternals; and Knull kills those things as a hobby.
I'm by no means saying this was a good movie, but I will say that lore wise, it makes sense why Venom only fought his pawns and not Knull himself.
My thing is this why tease him in the trailers then? I haven't seen the movie but I'm assuming knull is going to be just a post credit scene right? That was my biggest concern about this movie you showed knull in the trailer getting people hyped knowing that he was barely going to be in the movie. I agree that it makes sense to not have knull fight venom because there's no way venom stands a chance against knull but people were expecting to see knull fight because Sony put him in the trailer now people are disappointed. You get what I'm saying
@@JaylonHardenhe’s not just a post credit, he’s kinda the whole point of the plot, but they don’t interact directly with him which makes sense in film
@@broderickfoster2107 I agree with you but because Sony put him in the trailer hyping him up people actually wanted to see him actually do something and fight even tho it doesn't make sense for venom to fight knull because that's not even a fair fight. People are still going to be disappointed
@@JaylonHarden this is Sony we're talking about, the lowest of the low. They had posters of spiderman in the morbius trailers only to remove them for the actual movie just to get people to watch it lol. Theyre showing knull because they need to give people a reason to watch this movie
he could take him on with the power of light or whatever was in that one comic
The third venom movie felt like the third Iron Man movie where he whipped out all of his suits for them all to be destroyed again
That’s a really good take cause iron man 3 was hot garbage too
@@bugo3056L take honestly iron man 3 was good
@@bugo3056iron man 3 is my favorite
I don't watch Venom for its quality, I watch it because it's entertaining and I love Venom lol
exactly! i really enjoyed it, i dont care if it was bad or not lol. the cameos were fun, even though they were short lived
Low standards
You could watch water drip... quality isnt a premium for that either
No one watches for Venom for its quality🤣
@@Luke101so what? Let them enjoy what they wanna enjoy
''and then Knull would be free. And they'd team up to fight him''
Knull's description: Knull was an eldritch god of darkness and the creator of the symbiotes. While residing in the primordial void that existed between the Sixth and Seventh Cosmoses, he was awakened when the Celestials invaded his kingdom of darkness with light. Knull was chosen by the Celestials to serve as the King in Black but he rejected the responsibility. With the first symbiote in the form of a sword, he decapitated one of them and used its severed head's divine power to refine the blade,[12] linking both Knull and the Necrosword to the fallen cosmic god
Bruh, they would lose so bad
They did a terrible job at teasing Knull. He was basically a blank canvas, unlike Thanos who had actually dialog with other characters, Knull just says "go" to his little hunters...
The build up could've been better much better. For people who aren't aware of Knull and who he is, they're not going to care since he basically has no personality in the movie.
@@youngsway8696 that is true.
Jag älskar knull
@@youngsway8696 true if I didn’t watch a recap about king in black comic he would look like some weird creepy old guy that seats on his throne and just order his minion around. Like they only show how the symbiote were scared of him and glazing him to destroy everything meanwhile the symbiote were literally the thing that lock him away kinda goes against the whole hype of him being op
Kraven solos
I liked it, yeah there were messy parts and when they’re messy, they’re MESSY. But I also thought when it was good, it was GOOD. Final note, I honestly thought some of the emotional beats were well-executed for the most part. The scene with Eddie in the hippy family’s van was kind of touching. Especially when the tone shifts to be more melancholy as Venom and Eddie realise what they missed out on.▪▪
oh yea soooo messy so rated R
@@Aganie. 💀 they mean messy plot, not messy as in bloody
Still not good
Just got back from the movie and i think this sums up how i feel about it. Its not great but there were good moments in it that i could really appreciate
@@Aganie. your stupid
Knull is planned for Spiderman 4. He's multiversal and is so powerful that he can solo celestials. It's not appropriate and respectful to use him in a movie like this.
its a really bad bad choice lol
Why there is not a lot of KNULL stuff in the movie???
Short answer :- If he's released, the movie would be over in seconds........IT'S JUST OVER......He is WAYYYYY WAAAYYYYYYY TOOOOOOO POWERRRRFULLLLLLL.
Long answer (spoilers from comicbooks) :- He is THE GOD OF SYMBIOTES, LORD OF THE ABYSS......even DARKNESS BOWS to him......I completely understand ur criticisms.....but let me tell u what he is capable of 3:19 if he's released.......some of the feats that he has shown in the comics
1. He ONE-SHOT CELESTIAL BEINGS. The beings that created Eternals, Deviants, planets etc. Celestials are beings that are on the same plane as Infinity, Galactus, The Living Tribunal etc....
2. He slaughters ENIGMA FORCE......one of the most powerful forces in marvel. It's essentially the soul of the universe, a sentient cosmic force, it's main purpose is to maintain balance darkness and light. It's the embodiment of creation and life.
3. He RIPPED SENTRY WITH HIS BARE-FUCKING-HANDS. Sentry is considered as the Superman of Marvel universe having the power of a million exploding suns and on fusing with THE VOID that makes him near immortal and near limitless in power. Sentry single-handedly destroyed Asgard with little to no effort, he battled world breaker Hulk to a standstill and killed Molecular man (one of the best reality manipulators and warpers in comics).
4. Knull defeats Thor. This is not a normal thor......This is an AMPED THOR that defeated Black winter (The devourer of Universes)
5. Knull's Darkness corrupted even the silver sufferer
So, before properly introducing knull.....Sony/Marvel has to introduce a lot of other characters and make them powerful so that they can atleast stand their ground without getting overwhelmed by the darkness infront of Knull.
the movie is still cheeks
His first appearance & it’s DOA, there’s a high likelihood we won’t see much more, & Marvel isn’t touching this dude
If he is so strong why even incorporate him in the film, it doesn't make sense why they would end this trilogy off with venom fighting minions.
The basement-froth and furious typing was ringing in my ears as I read this comment.
Captain marvel or scarlet witch could take him out lol
Having Knull in live action was kind of a lose-lose situation. Either Knull would be comic accurate but not do anything or be adapted unfaithfully but do a lot of stuff. Honestly I’m glad Knull is faithful to his comic counterpart but I wish he did more.
You know he isn’t a one-off character
He’ll have a lot of appearances in probably other movies beside venom
Why would you be glad if you’re a fan of these characters? As a fan of all of them, it sucks to see Sony waste them all like this
@@spyrothedragon3983 so you would prefer to see Knull get killed by someone as weak as Venom.
Y'all obviously didn't read king in black. It was exactly like this. He didn't show up in the flesh till the climax of the storyline.
19 inches of venom
DEAD MEME ALERT
DEAD MEME ALERT
@@Fooltomary big black venom
@@BrownBearAlt womp womp
@laverdadescatolica5 ?
It was 20 though and not 19. What happened to that final inch?
Find out in Venom: The Last Inch
The last scene where he is walking with the maroon 5 song playing was really emotional for me, not just because of the movie but the scene and what eddy must have felt then..
the movies is definitely made for folks like you who can connect with it even though the writing sucks
@@lowlowseeseeyou are so aware
tom's venom would be WAY better if he had, oh idk, a fucking spiderman to fight. maybe the other guy named tom perhaps
Very true wasted opportunity
Sucks
Tobey*
@@blackvenommTobey already had a fucking Venom and they ruined it. Time for a breath of fresh air.
Well if they did that then it would change the entire purpose of the movie making everyone focus on Spider-Man instead of Venom.
What’s Funny about Knull’s name is that it means “Fuck.” In Swedish.
In english it means nothing
LOL
fucking nothing
@@Nomad_786 it's a play on "Null" for the whole void thing so yeah it means something.
I mean, if I saw Knull I think the first thing I'd say is an expletive as well.
The second one was the most inexcusable one because of what Carnage was SUPPOSED to be, the first one was overhated to be honest. The R-rating would've helped the trilogy a lot.
I prefer venom 2 to the first one
R rating carnage is what we should have gotten man
what was wrong with carnage? I liked that movie, didn't love it but it was fine
@@HearMeLearn It was pointed out by many that Carnage and Cletus weren't symbiotic in the movie, which was one of the main things that made them much more dangerous and powerful than Venom and Eddie in the comics. Heck they were such a perfect match in the comics that they identified a singular entity
Proper writing could've also helped
I liked it, yeah there were messy parts and when they’re messy, they’re MESSY. But I also thought when it was good, it was GOOD. Final note, I honestly thought some of the emotional beats were well-executed for the most part. The scene with Eddie in the hippy family’s van was kind of touching. Especially when the tone shifts to be more melancholy as Venom and Eddie realise what they missed out on.
100% agree with this statement it was touching man
@@coldbloodedsnake_gaming2403I’m glad you agree. I was very much expecting nothing but insults coming my way after saying this 😅
Yeah im ngl im a sucker for emotional scenes so the way eddie was like “he’s my best friend in the entire world” and venom asked eddie to never forget him made me like the movie. I cant say anything lore wise cause I don’t watch marvel movies in general, but the relationship was just so adorable that it made it a decent movie for me. It’s not the best movie but it’s touching
I thought the movie was great for those reasons. The action scenes were awesome and the more emotional scenes between Eddie and Venom were really sweet. I think if anything can be said about the Venom movies, it’s that they do a great job showing Venom and Eddie’s relationship. I might be biased tho, I’ll always be a huge fan no matter what lol
@@htfs493 no bro this was exactly what i was saying like that scene was beautiful and others bc u they kept showing eddie sad even when venom asked him i wish i could see her. eddie couldnt stop thinkin abt his ex(forgot her name) even in the 3rd movie. the rest tho felt like i was scrolling thru tiktok, clips after clips after clips, it felt random
I hate it when people blame an actor for bad writing.
luckily no one here did that lol
And the tadc fandom gets mad at an actor for good writing (jax)
The movie had both good writing and good acting tf you on?
The reason they can't release Knull is because he's too strong, and there isn't a character out rn that can beat him. Venom had to wield the combination of Mjolnir and the Silver Surfers board in a fight against Knull, while also embodying additional cosmic power. No character released in all of cinema can beat Knull rn they have to build to his release and needs Venom Son most important.
What are u on about? King in black happened. They are literally doing current Venom comics where Venom and his son have beaten Null, Eddie has become god, and actually currently, Carnage is the symbiote god 😂
So his inclusion in this movie was a bad idea, we got it
@GrimAngel01100 no shit, clearly you didn't comprehend the comment. It's a build up they need to get to and release the characters into the marvel universe before they can release Knull from his prison.
@@achilleszeus I understand the comment. The point of mine, was that you're wrong, there are characters in the cinematic verse that can beat him.
The only issue is how the want to go about doing so, because having him show up and be defeated in one movie isnt fitting of how important and powerful a character he is.
Has jack shit and fuck all to do with not having anyone who can beat him.
He also needed the Enigma Force lmfao
It's definitely not a bad movie
Npc comment
No its bootycheeks
Is it a good movie?
Definitely not a good movie either
It is absolutely a bad movie, worse even
Light spoiler here:
I love how they put so much focus on the blonde scientist and then her friend does like all of the meaningful or cool stuff. She's honestly useless like the girl in Transformers: The Last Knight and had way too much attention to be effectively a side character's side character.
I think they're trying to build up on her character but yeah.. I could have cared less about her
@@dogeeee606couldn’t have cared less*
*less cared i could've have @@bigbellyburger1786
YESSS LIKE I DONT CARE ABT HER OR HER BROTHER
I think it’s better to set up Knull rather than showcase him but him being nerfed
Bruh set him up for what? For Morbius and Madam web to team up with Venom? The Venom movies are done lol and no one wants to see Knull return for some trash verse that no one is hyped for.
I feel like it brings up the question of why even have him in the story to begin with. They shouldve told a different story with Venom and Eddie if they were only going to use the weakest characters to fight Venom because in the comics realistically those are the only ones he can take on.
Spiderman 4 of course
@@sebastianc2077Knull is already being set to return for Spiderman 4 as the main villain
@@sebastianc2077 who says Knull has to be part of the sonyverse?
the most intriguing part of this video is the fact the charlie has box of tissues and a copy of dark souls on his table
darl souls
Dark souls and tissue boxes go hand in hand it’s a well known fact
Jerking off to the instruction booklet
@@Hideyourtoes_miyazakibecause dark souls is sad, right? right?
@@mcbill7352 Yep. I was soo sad when I saw that Gwynevere had been left alone in anor londo, i immediately pulled out my box of tissues
They definitely made the minions WAAAY too stong and when they realised during the making of the movie that there was no way venom could win, they spent the climax on the dogs instead of Null.
Yeah the minions were kinda OP.
The "minions" were always meant to be strong, I mean, they eat symbiotes for a living 🤷♂️
@@luischaboii8990 it shows how powerful Knull is. Trust me he is a MENACE in the comics.
@@commandergoji886Yeah man I agree, for once the minions in a Marvel movie felt like a real threat.
If just 1 of them alone are enough to almost wipe out the symbiotes on Earth then no wonder they're afraid of Knull.
Kinda makes sense. The whole build up to the Null fight in the comics was crazy, and when he shows up he rips Sentry in half. At the state the movie Venom is at rn, he shouldn't even be able to deal with a symbiot dragon.
"Eddie I cant do a full transform otherwise it'll notify the hunters exactly where I am..... now excuse me while I do a dance montage in full transformation"
These two sentences were a whole few days apart, also it was hinted that venom loves music and things like that back in the van scene, its not too far fetched, it also a really good way to connect the plot by making the hunter follow the army
3:47 because they are just setting up Knull right now, it would be disappointing if he's a one off movie type of character because he's VERY IMPORTANT to the multiverse story, and also it's just a rumour right now, but the villain for spider man 4 is likely to be knull
That would be trash but yes people don't understand the creative direction with these films, I wish more people read the character
Exactly 💯
THE COPE 😂😂😂😂 You don't set up in a final film. If it wasn't clear from Venoms Screentime in NWH MCU wants nothing to do with Sony or Amy.
@@HardcorePoet yeah that's true, they should have used a different villian. But they tried using Knull and the execution of that was quite good because Knull is Thanos level or even more than that level strong, even one of his minions was too much while being basically unkillable.
@@chinmayudyavar I don't care
I guess you don't read comics because if you did you would realize that Knull not being in this move is the ABSOLUTE BEST THING ABOUT IT. In basically every comic he's in Knull if multiple leagues above Thanos in terms of power, and it takes basically every hero in existence to fight together to beat him. If they would have beat knull in this movie it would have been the worst decision the MCU ever made.
That war in the King in Black is fucking NUTS
I agree also I would edit some of that comment because there is spelling problems
Then why have him in the movie at all?
@@deshawnwilliams6939same reason they established thanos in the first avengers
@deshawnwilliams6939 i mean, he has to be introduced somehow. Unless you read the comics, no one is gonna have a clue who he is. Hopefully, there next move is to follow Absolute Carnage.
The movie felt like it had 7 different stories .
The lighting chick for no reason.
The Hippy Family.
The Military Guy.
KNULL.
VENOM AND EDDIE,
MRS. CHEN,
MULTIVERSE BAR GUY,
That Van sequence, went on for way too long.
That Mrs. Chen meeting was really random.
The end credit scene didn't make any sence as now Knull had a way to escape anyways without the codex. So making the movie plot moot.
And man. That van scene went on for too long.
Yes, a clusterfuck.
Way too long. It didn't even add anything of substance to the movies besides singing (I guess).
@@youngsway8696Especially since the movie was only an hour and a half Maybe it would have been viewed as bad if they made it a two hour movie Or at least fucking shortened it Not to mention showing all the new symbiotes just to immediately kill them off
@trippymlgjunkrat5749 Killin' off all the new Symbiotes was pretty stupid and don't even get me started on Scream being a speedster now just because tye scientist was hit by lightning as a child.
@@youngsway8696 mate isn't that agony
0:29 bro what 💀
1:01 I could tell you the thing that I remembered about 'Let There Be Carnage', Carnage became a Tornado 🌪️.
Yeah wtf even was that
Only kinda decent part of that movie ngl
I remember venom and Eddie fighting like a married couple
Hot take: I think the new symbiotes losing to the creatures was a good call. The main villain seemed so strong with some characters saying that it would be the end for everything if he was free. Plus, the fact that all the introduced symbiotes lost to the creatures gives a good idea of how strong that main villain can be without being really knowledgeable about the marvel universe. Another reason why I think its a good call is because it gives a despair-feeling which the villain cast should make us feel. The only way to stop Knull was to lose a main protanganist, not the first path to choose but the only one to stop Knull.
Yeah plus they can still introduce them into the MCU
Not a hot take. This is accurate. Context matters.
Only issue is direction of Knull. Should've kept the mystery regarding him a bit more. The 3rd movie tried a lil hard on making Avengers 1 2.0 since we're literally introduced with Knull at the intro instead of only having him at the end credits like with Thanos.
@@koalaleaves844 yea the Xenophages are called symbiote hunters in the movie, would be kinda weird if it just got regularly beat by the symbiote power of friendship
finally someone with a working brain who isnt biased
Finally someone with a brain
Just imagine avengers infinity war, but thanos in the movie for 10 seconds, iron man is the only superhero, and the main bad guys are ebony maw, proxima midnight, and cull obsidian
I suppose Corvus Glaive is the one filming.
@@MetaFanWing😭😂
No, its like watching avengers 1 and thanos is in the movie for 10 seconds (thats what happened)
@@zaloon148 THIS- You know what you're talking about.
@@MetaFanWing He's in the "Sneako" chair 🤣
Knull literally decapitated Celestials for fun.
They would last a minute, max.
4:50 I disagree with that take, Knull is too op for even all those symbiotes to beat him, treat Knull how Thanos was treated little glimpses of his power, until you can get a big enough team and multiple heroes to defeat Knull. This was a film to setup the arrival of Knull.
But even in the King in Black comics, no one could beat Knull even when fighting him together. He was killed because Venom got the God of Light.
Well that was a total wet fart of a “setup” then
+100 Totally agree, Charles sometimes is way off the movie and doesnt know what he is talking about
@@wizardgaming6759if the studio is smart they'll do it the way Marvel did with Thanos. And then eventually end up with Venom and Eddie merging with the Enigma Force, and combining Mjolnir and the Silver Surfers board to make the Axe of Light and woop Knull as it was told in the source material.
@@wizardgaming6759 you ain’t wrong but I doubt they gonna make him as strong as in the comics, same thing they did with Thanos for the sake of the movies progressing, idk how they gonna handle him cuz he literally one shot every hero in the comics, but they gonna have to bring Venom back
I don’t even care if the film isn’t even that bad or good I’m just worried what Sony is gonna do with Knull moving forward he’s literally more threatening than Thanos.
Sony is 1990s hero movies they are garbage. Not even worth it to stream
He's gonna fight Kraven and all you goobers are gonna go see it.
Either nothing or waste him, that’s all they’ve done with these movies
3:01 thank you for the warning
I will go watch it eitherway, venom movies rock!
@@Farmer_Thanoslemme grease u up
I had to stop watching there 😭
@@Nah_I_would_adaptsame 😭
Same
"In chess, the pawns go first"
- Erik (Magneto) Lensherr
I think the problem is that people now act like every movie has to be a masterpiece or deep or something. Sometimes I just want to watch a movie with a simple premise, simple plot, no messages or deeper meanings, no complex plot devices and nothing that requires a second thought. Just well put together but with the sole purpose of being entertaining and that’s it.
This movie feels like it has seven different stories though...
I think Tom Hardy is a really great actor for Eddie’s portrayal but the movies definitely needed way better writing for him and venom.
Not gonna lie, for a character with dozens upon dozens of comics on his name, surely the writing team could have done a better job with the Venom franchise... it was basically hard-carried by Tom Hardy's performance and the CGI department
The hippie family had way too much screen time
The van scene was so beautiful, but i agree them being there in the last scene wasnt necessary
4:10 bro... Knull is one of the most powerful beings in comic history... THEY CAN'T KILL HIM OFF IN 1 MOVIE!!!
Yea I was about to comment this if they killed off Knull that would have been a huge waste, and he is above an avengers level threat.
Ultron: am i a joke to you
No one said Venom has to win and kill knull lol
dude what really should have happened is that knull should have been the big bad in this movie, and then killed venom as its the last in the trilogy. imagine how good that would have been
Nah Deadpool would win lol
2:01 venom is voice by tom its just his voice but modified
Cool
No shit.. this is well known. Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't modified, tom hardy is notorious for being able to diversify his voice into many different characters. Legend, Bikeriders, Venom, The Daek Knight Rises, Lawless, Capone, he's got phenomenal range and personability.
I actually don’t even like when stuff like that happens, because to me it’s basically the actor talking to themselves. I personally would’ve gotten a different actor to voice Venom.
@@wizardgaming6759they obviously didn’t want you have to pay 2 actors.
No one said he wasn’t.
the venom movies are always not amazing movies, they're just fun goofy marvel movies that you go and watch with the boys
Yeah but they could be more fun if they actually tried harder in the writing department
Venom 3 was awful lmao. Wasn’t even fun to watch
I wouldn't take the boys to watch this.
They are dogshit
This is Sony, Marvel has no involvement
Here’s my issue is that it got really campy in the middle and venom went from being terrified to come out to dancing. The film left its own created reality several times in the middle of the movie. But the beginning and ending are good.
Marvel in a nutshell, doing what elites want them to do.
It’s not good. Its fun! Look a movie doesn’t need to be a masterpiece all the time. It just needs to be a good time. Venom has always been that. And I feel this delivered again.
I just wish the venom series was more serious and horror based imo
4:39 one problem aint no way they defeating knull when they couldnt even kill a normal xenophage
I remember one of the symbiotes just jumped on it only for it to be Infront of the xenophage's mouth to get shredded lmao
5:08, I was also disappointed by Knull not actually showing up (even with the film essentially establishing if he did, everyone would lose), though for the most part, the Xenophages served a pretty good physical threat (which seems appropriate give they are considered "symbiote hunters") and the focus of the film was more on Venom's last....hurrah on Earth, getting to enjoy as much of it as he could with his friend until it was time for him to die.
Either way, the action and use of several corporealized symbiotes at once with their own special appearances and attributes was still the highlight of the film, especially Dr. "Christmas" getting turned into Lasher, which made it genuinely tragic when not only these symbiotes died after heroically battling the Xenophages and getting turned to mulch by them.
My only gripe was that the scene wasn't longer and that only a handful of symbiotes were utilized (the first film and this one both had appearances from Venom's comic book offshoots, Riot, Scream, Phage, Lasher and Agony, but they don't all get corporealized).
Knull was built up in the comics for two and a half years. Monthly issues in the Venom run as well as getting to check him out in Silver Surfer Black. When he finally showed up on Earth in King in Black, he was a devastating force to all of Earth's heroes. And yes, Knull is badass. But the most tragic part of this misuse is that this was a very emotional story for Eddie and Venom. Eddie learns he has a son and tries to connect with him. But he's not a good dad. He doesn't even know how to love himself. He's not ready for this. He struggles emotionally with Venom, as they both try to look after each other but lie and keep things from each other. There is a real relationship between Eddie and Venom where neither of them are in a good spot but they need each other and are trying to do their best. All while Knull is this looming threat. And then there's the multiverse stuff where is teases that Dylan (Eddie's son) may be able to stop Knull or maybe he becomes Knull or maybe its just a different universe and none of that matters but then you have to decide how to deal with all that info. Donny cates' Venom run did more for Venom than anything has in 30 years.
AVI ARAD has ruined so far...
* Borderlands
*Venom: Last Dance*
Daredevil (2003)*
The Punisher (2004)* Elektra (2005)* Fantastic Four (2005)* X-Men: The Last Stand* Spider-Man 3*
Bratz (2007)*
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance*
The Amazing Spider-Man 2*
Ghost in the Shell (2017)*
Venom: Let There Be Carnage*
Uncharted (2022)*
Morbius
And now he's gonna ruin...
* Kraven the Hunter* Legend of Zelda* Naruto
As long as Arad lives, there's no hope.
damn that’s a crazy resume 😭😭 everything dude touches turns to shit
Dude sucks at movie making why is this guy even here anymore he barely makes money
That's actually crazy
HE IS ACTULLY THE FINAL BOSS OF RUINING MOVIES
Bro wants arad un alive
Crazy asf
"The Venom situation is crazy"
one of the few things I liked about this trilogy has been the wave of Eddie x Venom fanfiction. And I'm not talking about the coffeeshop au, fluff fanfics here, I mean the kind with a capital F.
Venom will never be at full potential without a spider-man counterpart. The whole point is venom is a parasite that forces the darkest and most selfish desires to emerge. It's stupid to make him a comic relief companion doing goofy voices dancing around while spitting out pop-culture references. Spider-Man 3 (despite it's flaws) conveyed the path the symbiote leads characters down as they become attached. Sony's poor attempt at holding on the characters of Marvel is pathetic. Every villain is forced to be an anti-hero. I'm sure audiences would be even more interested if they made villains truly evil.
Kraven the Hunter looks like it will follow the same boring formula.
edit: turns out source material has a more satirical version called lethal venom. I am wrong. I personally prefer the edgier parasite version, but yeah- a goofy version exists.
UR JUST SO WRONG HLAF WAY AFTER SPIDER MAN ARC HE BECOMES A GOOD GUY AND DOES WANT TO ACTULLY BE GOOD JUST DEPENDING ON THE HOST THATS THE ONLY THING I COULDNT SEE HIM WITHOUT EDDIE NOW
Sony’s attempt at a cinematic universe is as pathetic as a wet fart.
Yeah yeah we get you love to complain we don't care
@@anubisshadowreaper8808 Then just ignore the comment and move on
According to the original version of Spider-Man 3, the symbiote was supposed to be actually consuming and mutating Eddie while he was Venom. It was supposed to represent Eddie's hatred of both Peter and Spider-Man literally eating him alive. And when he was supposed to get impaled during the climax, the symbiote was supposed to melt off of Eddie's mutated skeleton, revealing that Eddie was successfully consumed by it.
i had a venom ad for this video
I think if you give the Venom concept and characters to the same people who made Deadpool then Venom would've been a top tier superhero/villain series.
Ryan Reynolds is perfect for Deadpool, and alot of the Deadpool movies' humour is just Ryan Reynolds.
Whilst I imagine Ryan Reynolds could do Venom much better given time, I don't think he'd do Venom much more justice than the Sont Venom movies as a character, even if the movies he'd help make would be better overall.
The point of the movie though is that they do everything in their power to even giving their life to NOT free Knull
Was suppose to see it today with my dad after he got off work then he had a heart attack. He's staying in the hospital rn. Today was the most stressful day of my life. Please send positive energy and love and prayers his way.
❤
This never happened and you're attention seeking. Prayers do nothing because theres nothing to pray to.
hoping all is well
Just sent a prayer your way 🙏. your father's gonna be fine and make a full recovery
Hope your father recovers soon!
2:26 fun fact: I didn't see any trailers, I didn't even know they were making a third movie :/
That’s wild.
sameee just found out
Clown
Me too
How!? It was everywhere
As a huge lover of the movies and Venom, The Venom Movies are not the best written wise but god dame they are so enjoyable. The action, the characters, and comedy is the best, sure it’s not everyone’s favorite type of movie or Venom but it is to me. And hearing people and articles calling this one of the worst comic movies is genuinely insane and stupid.
LOL says the person who said these garbage movies are good. Na you're the one that's insane and stupid. These movies are wack af
Completely agreed plus my favourite music artist made the credits song so
We finally have a person with a brain in the comments
@@Beyond_Beyblade Grandson?
@@skeleton1_goose8 yes
I have no idea how venom got a sequel, how it became a trilogy is absolutely beyond comprehension
Because it made over 850 mil global. People wanted to see Venom on the big screen. Venom is a fan favorite character, that is all there is to it. Would've been so much better if it was just rated r but oh well
1:39 why did you say “Venom” like Eminem
😂 I'm sure I have the lyrics wrong but randomly I'll think, "venimmm, when I get, up, inemmmm"
@@StillycoBra5150 “Venimmm I got that adrenaline momentummmm
n I'mmmm not knowin' when I'mmm
ever gonna slow up n I'mmmm
ready to snap any moment I'mmm
thinkin it's time to go get emmm”
You're worried about that and not him saying "sim bye oats"?
Reminds me when Charlie really thought the Venom Eminem song chorus went like “Venom, Venommmm, Venommmm Venom,Venom” lol
@@SourPatchCJ Eminem tends to bend the pronunciation of words so they pair better. I’m pretty sure he does pronounce the o but he does it extremely briefly and skips to the mmmm. If you try doing it yourself you’ll understand.
Just seen it tonight, I enjoyed it, it was a bit too jokey at times, but I honestly feel like they've left the door open for a venom return.
Remember the piece of venom left on the coin at the start, well that could be used to bring him back.
Eddie and venoms aim was to get to new York, who lives there? Well Spiderman of course.
And it's been announced recently that there is going to be another Spiderman movie and more avengers movies.
I know I sound crazy but I could see a world where the "new avengers" include venom and Deadpool.
Did you watch both end credit scenes? Definitely can return
venom needs to have a falling out with spiderman at some point to traditionalize the narrative. so i dont think that would work.
Venom will return since he's reduced to his infantile state as a black goo in Spider-Man 4. In the movie, Venom shed himself twice in the bar.
Ok, WHAT ARE YOU COOKING????!! WELL ITS A 5-STAR FULL COURSE MEAL OF CORSE
If Venom were to be alive, which I dont think he is bc knull said something about a fallen black one, he wouldn't be able to be with Eddie.
Because the plot would have to be repeated since the codex would still exist. plus, I believe Tom has said he won't return to play Venom.
I would guess the little sample is Venoms 'child', and if they made another it would be of the purple symbiote and maybe that sample as a symbiote too. But no Venom and Eddie.
4:00 Knull is one of my favourite comic book villains of all time. I’m dissatisfied. The thing is venom could never beat Knull. He should have never been the antagonist
World building
They are making him to be the new “Thanos” so they will tease me with multiple movies.
3:56 the way i saw the pawn alien things was just as like a small demonstration of what he could do. Like 1 could basically take down like 7 symbiotes no problem. I feel like for this movie you have to watch it with the mindset that its a venom movie and not a marvel movie. Like ofc knull wasn’t gonna do anything because he’s too op. The teaser at the end suggests that the character could still come back and the job would be to protect venom or something from knull army and have like an endgame moment where they fail now they gotta deal with him. Idk just my thoughts cause they treated him like a universal ending threat.
7:28 that was the most exasperated "so yeah" I've ever heard lol
This is the point I really hate.
Venom could have been waaay more.
Yeah Sony just isn’t really putting real effort into these movies. I bet they could make them good if they actually tried like with the Spider Verse movies but they just don’t care to. They just want money and don’t actually care about making something with taste.
Charlie has more screen time in The Hunger Games than Knull in Venom
You missed the phone home scene.
Holy shit its sword saint isshin my child
"New Venom Movie Is Overhated" :proceeds to shit on it for 8 minutes
The title tricked me for a second. That's some good wordplay.
If venom doesn’t aggressively chug milk in the movie I ain’t watching
I hate to be the bearer of bad news... 😭
You prob want to grab a seat.....
They infact not do that
So how do we tell.....you see
I'm gonna hold your hand when I tell you this..
You see him chugging milk in Hot Ones' channel
No Daily Bugle. No Peter/Spider-Man. No stalker complex. No horror theme. No white spider... These movies are atrocious.
i think the main issue people have with it is Knull. The creator of symbiotes, the darkness that came before, an actual fuckin god in the comics, and he literally does nothing in this. That was the main thing in the trailers, showing him and illustrating him as this ultimate evil, just for him to be a cameo at best.
Honestly I feel like people were a little misled by the trailer, since this film is only meant to set up Knull for future movies, NOT just a one and done.
I think Sony just isn’t even trying with these movies.
I think the problem is that Knull is way too OP.
Bro they are obviously going to use him for Spider-Man 4 they wouldn't introduce this celestial level being to be wasted in a movie like this no way they would be stupid to do that
its a tease for the next venom film. *spoiler the after credits basically show us word for word that its going to be like the comics. we have a new fantastic 4 coming and do you know who beat knull? silver surfer himself...
Lemme build that Gundam behind you
The morbius scene was crazy
lmao
If sony really wanted people talking about this film they should have added morbius
One of my favorite comic book characters played by one of my favorite actors consistently hitting the “it was alright” mark has been so painful.
It's like someone read a venom comic a month ago then was asked to write a book report on it.
Then they are in front of the class making it up.
The advertising of venom guzzling that milk bottle should tell you what kind of movie it is.
It's like people haven't seen the first two and went in expecting a thrilling horror movie or something 😂
1:15 EXCUSE ME?!?!
3:08 Pretty sure Knull kills Thor and a lot of others in the comics. Then venom kills Knull
the only time venom killed knull was with help, and he was amped up , it wasn’t just normal venom and couple symbiotes …
@@MekoTM still killed knull and would’ve been a better plot point. I know they couldn’t have used the Thor part of the lore but they could’ve worked it.
Do they want Sony to sell all the Marvel movie rights to Disney or something?
What's your point?
@@Tomiwa101Sony movies are bad
@@Microwaved_Water1so spiderverse is bad? That’s a Sony movie
I hate that nowadays the word "mid" is worse than just "shit" or "bad"
i dont think that anyone thinks that mid is worse than shit
It’s faster to type mid than mediocre
ikr, a mid movie still has to have some qualities or entertainment value
It makes perfect sense. I’d rather laugh at The Room over watching another generic comedy by the Rock
mid
its a type of movie that does not suck in theatre and its okay, its like eating moldy yogurt but you are not lactose intolerant or have a gag reflex to yogurt. but yeah i get why people who are trying to watch it at home who get upset and close the movie halfway.
“Our audience are venom.” 🔥
What they should've done is make an Amazing Spiderman 3. Venom team ups with Andrew Garfields spiderman and fight the symbiote dog, and then it sets up the introduction to Venom fighting Knull in Venom 3
Still blows my mind they didn’t immediately think of doing this after No Way Home & instead gave us what we got smh
Amazing spider man 3 is never happening
Stop this Andrew Garfield's spiderman movies are done y'all made sure of it when people complained to hell and back about his movies back then then rewatched it and then came to the conclusion the movies and his spiderman were goated especially after no way home, and now y'all want a comeback? I wish more people saw that those movies were actually good back then, but you know what they say too little to late
The new venom movie isn’t that bad as people are describing it to be 🤷🏾♂️
story aside, fight scenes are pretty cool.
@@PurpleBugsI agree I just watched Venom today and the symbiotes fighting together was just too cool
@@le_hiyushi5459 sad it was like 10 minutes lmao and then they all died
It’s not a bad movie, it’s just a bad finale
@@PurpleBugs for real. If they were shown longer in the movie it would’ve been so dope
3:26 saving knull for Spiderman king in black
If you know anything about knull you already knew it wasn't going anywhere. He's a primordial universal threat on par or even above Celestials. Gods bigger than planets.
They don't even have the budget to show knull. He's an end game villlan. Even Thanos would piss himself in front of him.
The mistake was choosing to use him. They wanted a huge name but they simply had no way to show it without breaking Canon and ruining one of the greatest villans in that universe.
I'm at 3:55, so maybe you address this later, but you don't see a lot of Knull because he's Marvel's new big-baddie.
They had to scramble to find something post Johnathan Majors, and Knull is probably going to be it. He's way more powerful than Thanos, so from a story perspective Venom shouldn't be able to fight him 1-on-1.
Expect more end-of-credits teases of Knull over the next few Marvel movies, symbiotes playing a huge role in the next Spiderman movie, they're retreading territory here; more integration of the symbiotes in other Marvel movies outside of the main Spiderman franchise and the next Avengers movie being about Knull.
At least that's what I expect, because anything less is kind of bad? If they just go straight to Knull being killed by Spiderman without the buildup, it's going to be pretty disappointing. We should get an Avenger's movie out of it.
Uh......they announced that dr.doom is gonna be marvel's big bad, not really knull
@@Scyppo I remember, they're bringing back RDJ, but Doom isn't really a bad guy he's more of an anti-hero.
If Venom is all we get of Knull, I'm going to be disappointed.
@@HiroProtaganist doom is still mostly an antagonist tho
@@Scyppo Depends on the writer and the story. During Time Runs Out and Secret Wars, he was firmly in the "don't let the Beyonder's destroy Earth, it belongs to Doom", camp and while that might not be an altruistic reason, he was still on the side of good.
During Battleworld, even Stephen Strange remarks that although Doom might not have been the best choice to keep the last bits of the multi-verse from being destroyed, he was also the only one who would take the job and to have the will power to do what needed to be done. Strange himself said he didn't have it in him.
Sure he is an authoritarian dictator who will not negotiate on his vision and rules with an iron fist, but his kingdom also enjoys unparallel technological gains, a healthy economy, a strong military and a happy populace who are overall satisfied with his rule.
AFAIK, that's how he's written most of the time.
@@HiroProtaganist well idk im just taking marvel's word for it, maybe their doom would be more leaning on the antagonist side
Honestly I don’t blame sony for not using knull in the final fight because he to fucking op
Yeah the movie would never end lmaoo
@@Agent-vf5dq honestly it's supringly accurate to Knull. He sits, waits to get freed, gets freed, spends about a year travelling to earth, and then instantly takes out all the heavy hitters
Does venom kill knull?
They could always just change him for the movie version, I'd rather see a new nerfed version of Knull fight in the movie rather than just see him sit a chair
@@FatYoshi504 in the movie no
i literally cried at the end of the film because they killed off venom. like why would they do that???
Completely agree. Just saw it, i enjoyed it. It's better than Madame Web, and Morbius. And ya it's definitely not the worst Venom movie either. It is definitely overhated
Classic consoomer take
"it's better than the 2 dumps I took in the toliet" bro just admitted to thinking this is good for simply being better than some of sony's worst movies ever.
This is the kind of braindead take that keeps Sony thinking they can crap out anything & you’ll eat it up
@@Apac12 nah I just don't blindly have herd mentality. It's kinda mid, slightly above mid.
Title: Overhated Venom 3
Charlie: “Forgettable trilogy, movie was a SLOG to get through, weakest in the series, Knull was underutilized, the enemies were his puppies, couldn’t believe the send off”
So… guess it should be mid hated?
Hate implies it was terrible. It was not terrible, it was okay.
@@motorcycle-man Charlie seemed to imply it was leaning in between terrible and ok, given his rant. If Tom Hardy half assed a performance, then that’s saying something. But either way I just liked that he had mostly negatives outside of the action that he graced the movie as mid. I personally haven’t seen it tho so I can’t say
@@motorcycle-manmovie is terrible
@@motorcycle-man no its definitely terrible
Stop saying mid
3:29 well dam😭
Hilariously harsh as always 😂
Sometimes, movies don't have to make sense, they don't require a good plot. What matters then, is the pure fun that comes with them. And with the action, funny moments of the Eddie-Venom relationship, visuals... I get that the depiction of Venom from those 3 films might not be for everyone, but I think that if we turn our brains off, Venom 3 is an experience of pure fun, that's why I recommend it to everyone
Charlie, you can’t stand up for a movie and shit on it at the same time. 😂