MIG 21 VS F4 Phantom
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It's pretty amazing F4's initially had no air to air guns loaded on their planes. Equipped only with air to air missiles (often times failed) and due to number of air to air casualties the TOP GUN program was introduced as well as re introducing the air to air gun on modern fighters. - บันเทิง
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"The missile knows where it is, because it knows where it isn´t"
Rulo?
My last 2 brain cells*
By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn’t from where it is, it obtains a difference or deviation.
@@Crown2k Phly Daily
@@baba9665 its a bit scary when the missile is bigger then its target
Thats really really good CGI.
It looks better in full HD and this was from 2014. Pixrey do the CG and they’re great!
Kinda underwhelming animation vs the Dogfights series, but considering the budget, they did a pretty darn good job.
Not shown here was actual aerial flights of real F4’s the whole series had a combo of live action and animation. So the budget for animation was less because chase planes and real F4 (and other warbird) aerials.
The film grain in postfx hides the CG look
considering the fact that the engagement looked almost nothing like this and for how long ago it was animated with the budget its good CGI.
1:43 ''Damn we're out of budget for the last explosion...'' -''Don't worry guys, I have an idea!''
Uuh it isn't a movie? Its just a docu to explain how it feeled in 2 minutes
There was no budget for this...there never is. How can this compete with a 220 million dollar production? It can’t ;)
@@MarkHoltze nice.. well made man!👍
@@MarkHoltze maby a weird question but do you play war thunder? They have all those jets in this game.. very realistic aswell.. you can give it a try when you are bored at a time 😁
Not weird at all, I actually play DCS (digital combat flight simulator)...arguably the most realistic combat sim ;). Helicopters, jets and World War Two and Cold War birds.
Not enough time these days to play much though. The Mig 21 is in it, meticulously detailed...
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War Thunder in 2019
I see a fellow wt player on a f4 vs mig 21 video streak as well. Good, good.
Definitely lol
2020? Xbox?
:D
No the f4 has nothing on the 21 rn in turn and acl
During this era, AIM-9 Sidewinders did not give a high pitch tone for a missile lock. It growled.
You're right, that growl is great, but didn't have that sound effect in the mix. It got mixed professionally though after the fact, this was the "offline" version of the cut.
And the cannon does not sound like tatatatata but brrrrrrrr. It fires 3400 rounds per min
@@zhiqiandu3110 Mig 21's gun sounded like this, F4's gun fired 3400 shots per minute
Russian guns are cannons, USA guns are miniguns or Vulcans
*urublruurublruurublruurublru* *wrererrererrrererrerererrererererer*
@szczepan1eu F-4 had no gun at first but got belly mounted SUU-23 pod and from F-4E onward internal M61 Vulcan mounted under nose.
What should really happen is that the Dogfights should have a reboot with this kind of CGI. This rocks.
Ya the guys who did the CGI *Pixrey* do amazing work. It looks even better at full resolution.The problem of course is that it's expensive and pretty time consuming. Dogfights was a great series, but only made possible with the slightly less detailed CG I believe.
Mobius 176 I wonder how much it costs for Bandai Namco to license their game engine!
HELL YEHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That show was my childhood
@@aaronquak2139 They're using Unreal Engine 4 for Ace Combat 7
Turns out the guns weren’t the problem with the f 4s. Main problem was that there missiles were not properly maintained. This was one of the main reasons the navy was able to actually improve there kill to death ratio from 3 to 1 to 13 to 1. Also the top gun program all went together to create a more effective force.
Ya fail rate was pretty high on those. But imagine being up there without teeth. Scary.
@@MarkHoltze One should consider that many of the MiG-21 variants fielded by the VPAF also lacked cannons altogether - and those that could carry a centre-line gun pod frequently sortied without one. (The theory being that the extra weight and drag of a gun pod was counter-productive - survival depended on a single high-speed missile pass and then running for the hills.)
Any MiG-21 driver who got suckered into a turning fight with an F-4 had screwed up colossally and was almost certainly going to get killed by his opponent's wingman or flight-mate in short order - whether the F-4 had a gun onboard or not.
Brilliant bit of info thank you!
In the future
War thunder veteran talks about his gameplays in Jet fighters.
Lmao
LMAFAO
It's already happening in the comment section of military videos.
After years i will tell to my kids and nephews my dogfights from war thunder with Phantoms and MIGS at 10.7 BR and they will be proud of me. They will say to school tjat their grandfather and their dada was am F4 pilot that had dogfights with MIG 21S and also a mig 21 pilot that had dogfight with Phantoms
Yes.
I remember this one time, at a model kit hobby store, this Vietnam pilot veteran told me as I was purchasing the MiG-21 1:72 scale, that when it came down to these dogfights, MiG pilots would fly at a lower altitude, because they knew the danger of fighting the F4, so when it came down to it, the pilots would never engage F4's but the Air Force would always talk about sending in a different kind of aircraft they knew, the Vietnamese WOULD engage, it was in a sense a mind game for them, they tricked the enemy but never sent the plane, so when the MiG's hear this particular plane was on it's way, they would increase altitude and instead of the expected plane they would be forced to engage the F4's
Another story he told me was while he was posted in barracks, because he was ordered to, one of his mates took control of his helicopter, and on a miss his helicopter was shot down by a MiG-21 and told me that that engagement would go down in history as the first helicopter to be shot down by an jet.
The F4 was not a true stand alone fighter but more of a fighter/bomber
But the Vietnam war force it role to do a dogfight. It was from the lesson that US learn and so the F15 Eagle, F-14 Tomcat, F-18 Hornet and F-16 Fighting Falcon was born. All four can perform other role but their main priority never change, they always can do perform aerial dogfight if nessesary.
@@HappiKarafuru
Im pretty sure that the F16 is an air superiority fighter and the F18 is a multipurpose fighter
@@A-G-F- i did said "basic priority" take note of it. F-16 was lightweight air superiority figther but you also often see F/A-18 Super Hornet doing F-16 mission(hence why it a multipurpose) i get what you meant. It kinda hard to decide which one is a true dogfighter(Probably F-15 eagle and F-14 Tomcat) cause all US aircraft that has F of it can do air superiority mission and dogfight cause Odviously they are fighter aircraft. So they all kinda blend.
The F-4 was designed as an INTERCEPTOR, but did pretty darn good at the other dozen roles it was forced into adapting to. Take it from me: USAF F-4D Crew Chief Spangdahlem, Germany 1979-1982. Ssgt John C. Farrar
Best way to describe it is as a: Multirole Fighter.
1:36
"It was the longest 9 minutes I ever had"
Sounds like an war hero telling stories to their kids.
I mean technically it is
Not a hero. He's just a man talking about moments in the war. We can't said someone's a hero if he flew over cities and dropped the bombs for nothing.
@@haivophanphuoc2697 I said "sounds". The word selection he used made him sound like a hero
@@TheMemeDynamics OK well :-)
Sounds a lot more like a man relating a life changing experience.
F-4 couldnt out turn the 21, but it could out climb it easily, thats why it almost always fought it in the vertical. You use your strengths, and force them into your type of fight.
Well it is a generation older
Same as with F-104 get guns on target then light the candles and climb away.
catyclasian 2018 americans aircraft have never been able to our manuever any russian fighter but they have always been able to out speed them IR out climb them or something like that.
I dont think that’s correct. On paper the Mig21 could out turn and out climb our F4s but we fought the vertical because our pilots were trained for it. Theirs weren’t. They had a horizontal path they’d follow to cover each other’s six. I may be wrong but that’s what I’ve come to read and understand.
catyclasian 2018 the F4D dogfighted with it. It just always pulled a high yo yo
I'm from Greece and we still have Phantoms in use.
We use it in Korea too..
But we will use until 2020
better check again....i think greece retired its phantoms earlier this year.
Vince Burden the photo phantoms were retired. Look it up if you want. A huge number is still in use
я из китая, вам хана
And I'm from India ane we've got Mig 21s still The Bison variant
:40 he just dumped about all the ammo that 21 has in that burst lol
😂 I’m out! Reload
My grandfather was a pilot for a MiG. In Korea. 5 downed fighters and one bomber.
Крутой дед
Chapeau bas.
@@haimcukerman1012
Merci
MIG 21 in India is called the MIG Bison and it's a whole other beast. Radar system tracks 8 targets engage up to 4 with semi active and active homing air to air, improved engine Mach 2.0+, modern advanced avionics, HMD, Tactical Data Links, RWR & EW capabilities, improved WVR combat, added BVR capabilities, all this in addition with it's well known raw capabilities.
All that and they still can’t figure out toilets.
Amazing.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 fuck u asshole hater....
We hv to support huge population....n the reason for high population density in India n china is bcz both countries had vast amount of fertile land
So civilizations grew conveniently over here
It wasnt barren land like Europe filled with nomadic tribes n barbarians.
Huge Population had its own pros n cons....corruption is one of the major issue that has plagued us
BTW....Indian govt built 90 million toilets in last 4 years !!!
So stop spitting venom....
@@rifleshooterchannel208 r8 now India is 6th largest economy....do u even know ??
Days r not far when West with Lazy white asses will start looking East
The day corruption is curbed completely .... u'll see India developing leaps n bounds n its huge population will play to its advantage
Right
@@rifleshooterchannel208 you know whats more amazing instead of toilet Indians preffer to poop in your mouth. I guess you are good at eating poop.
The F-4 Phantom was retired from Japan Self Defense Air Force in 2019. Protected the sky in Japan for many years. Thank you.
"Protected" from what?the russians?Better close US Bases in Japan and Japan will finally be independent .in germany we have also american Bases that should get closed to have freedom!
Protected Japan from the invader America? LoL.
If Japan is willing to bow to the occupier as they did to America, there is no need to defend any airspace.
@@dadidadida123 Only the Government is american in Japan,the people are occupied
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@Топић The japanese people hate the US Airbases!
Belive or not Romania still have about 36 mig 21 ( from about 100 upgade with israeli Elbit )with modern avionics similar with F16 in use they call mig 21 Lancer
th-cam.com/video/du_PYOvd-Z4/w-d-xo.html. Mig 21 Romanian air force
@@adipop believe it or not....India has more than 200 mig 21 operational in IAF 😃
with so many upgrades from Israel (Radar, Avionics, HMD)....n They call it Mig 21 Bison
I want to see a cockpit camera of a mig killing an american plane. That will help me get my kick!
🔥🇮🇱🔥🇺🇸🔥🇮🇱🔥🇺🇸🔥🇮🇱🔥
Croatia too
because it’s a good plane, and Romania simply has no money for the best.
четверо на одного, по американским меркам это равно "один на один". Исход боя 50 на 50!
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😆😆
Nice propaganda russiabot, did you get well paid for it?
Cope harder Ivan
You guys cant deny the fact that it was a 4v1 lmao
@@moery2435 Figures never tell the whole story.
"Welcome to War Thunder."
stfu
1:02 That Mig Pilot definitely bought his way up with Premium.
Isn’t it fascinating how the most advanced forms of warfare, the most raw expressions of mankind’s sheer power, have a way of reminding us of how powerless we really are?
You cut this??? Nice man. I watched this whole series 2 or 3 years ago. Loved it.
Ya I cut this webisode as well as the full Gabby Gabreski EP. :)One of my fav shows to edit.
Air Aces
вот так в кино вы нас и побеждали
😂😂😂😂
Глупый комментарий, т.к. в Мигах сидели Вьетнамцы, а не советские строевые лётчики.
Да, но только в кино)))
как будто сбитых мигов не было
@@amontobin4766
Ну точно не летающим кирпичем)
The Tail Code is FG aka Satans Angels 433rd. My dad's squadron!
Robin Olds knew how to handle Mig 21s.
0:59 when you’re in the sky and you hear that noise you know you’re in trouble
I think we should all focus on how amazing the animations are
the phantom has approximately the same tactical and technical data, the problem is not in the МИГ-21, but at that time Soviet pilots were trained much better than American ones, unfortunately this school has been lost.
Thanks for your perspective mate. I feel this big time!
Yea but sadly now American Pilots are better trained In the Modern Era And In ww2 too
Even tank crews too
Soviet pilots didn’t fare well against the israeli pilots.
I remember a story an old F4 crew chief told me when I first got in the Air Force about a F4 coming back and the sides were rippled from pulling so many G's during a dogfight. Don't know if it was true or not, but it was a good story.
Not true.
It's true phantoms have weak wings they Dont hold alot of Gs
Its not really “amazing” that the F-4 didnt have a gun at first. And even though i would always rather have a gun than not, they havent really been needed for air to air combat from when the phantom was introduced. The low missile hit rates in vietnam were mainly from bad missiles (early AIM-4 falcons as an example), the missiles being fired outside of their envelopes (like sidewinders being fired head on when at the time they could only lock from the rear aspect. But this was primarily dealt with by red flag and top gun), and from pilots refusing to take the time to replace unused missiles (whether this be from pressure from higher-ups or just themselves.) which at the time needed to have maintinence done on them after every flight to make sure any fragile components hadnt broken on the flight.
There're some other problems dude. The missile poor turn rate can't catch up with the ability of the MiG-17 (yeah, not the 21); moreover, MiG-17 is much slower, that's mean that it'll be likely on their six for most of time.
American had brought AIM-9 into the early stage of war. In April 4th, 1965, a Vietnamese pilot had successfully evaded an AIM-9 in a hair's breadth. So low quality is not a problem. There's no error in tactic, because there's a moment that the MiG pilot let the F-4 to his 6.
Daily reminder: the F-4 phantom was an intercepter and not a purpose built fighter, and many intercepters at the time didn't have main guns. F-4 also didn't become a better fighter because of the main gun, it became a better fighter because of advancements in technology.
Well, guess what happened to the MiG-21? It too was an interceptor and it too was subject to numerous upgrades.
Фантом рядом не стоит с МиГ по маневру!
Да и название странное
Я думал миг 1 на 1 с фантомом
А тут 4 фантома еле еле ракетой сбили мига
@@user-xq3sy4wx2i
Американские дураки !
Зато у Фантома выше скорость и больше ракет.
@@user-ze7xw5yu4i скорость у них одинаковая, ракеты это дополнительный груз, что собственно приводит к ещё большей неповоротливости.
La diferencia esta en el piloto!
Phantom always seemed to me like a strike aircraft. Something like a lighter version of the A6 or A7. It doesn’t look like a dog fighter. I guess that is one of the reasons why the F-16 is the first fighter when we think about dogfights.
Multi-Role fighter, F-16 was a nice upgrade in terms of agility. The F/4 had a ridiculous top speed and climb rate, the thing was heavy as a tank and left that exhaust trail that made it much easier to spot and immediately identify.
The 21 evolved nicely to, but definitely interceptor role was its forte.
What about the F-14 and F-15?
@@pbjman5809 The F-14 became a strike aircraft to the end of it's lifetime. But its primary design was to be an air superiority fighter for naval aviation. The F-15 was an is an air superiority fighter with great capabilities and record in both dogfighting and strike. I would say that the F-15 is an F-4 done right.
There was the F-5, a lightweight, short range dogfighter. Surprisingly not known very well though.
Because it was never designed to dogfight. It was built to intercept soviet bombers, and it was forced to fight in a totally different arena when Vietnam broke out.
Wow I love the cinematic, I hope Top Gun Maverick looks that good.
A friend of mines husband got to fly the final flight of the F4 Phantom credited with the last Mig kill in Vietnam, he flew it to the National Air and Space Museum, his C.O. was his back seater.
How me and the boys feel while playing DCS😎
DCS, best combat simulator!!
Damn i love DCS
No fly-by-wire back then. You could easily lose control and crash
Saw lot of those birds when I was a kid at Dallas navel station I can still see them doing touch and goes when I pass bye the old place even tho it’s shut down great memories
so cool. im in hanoi now. there is no hilton but there is a sheraton hotel here where all the pilots stay.
*FROM 🇻🇳 VIETNAM WITH LOVE*
lmao
Joe Mama >ok
Нельзя сравнивать MIG 21 и F4. Они оба хороши, но абсолютно разные. И дело думаю совсем не в качествах этих самолётов, а качестве подготовки пилотных групп. Я считаю USAF мало уделяет внимания практическим тренировкам своих лётчиков. Симуляторы ни когда не заменят действие в реальной ситуации. Русские не любят искусственный бой, им нравится побороться в воздухе...
You cannot compare MIG 21 and F4. They are both good, but completely different. And I think the point is not in the qualities of these aircraft, but in the quality of the training of the pilot groups. I think the USAF pays little attention to the practical training of its pilots. Simulators will never replace an action in a real situation. The Russians do not like artificial combat, they like to fight in the air ...
Так всмысле, ты где видел что бы фантом как миг маневрирует
Wow never watched this kind of content about flying before :0 amazing
Damn, the CG work for this is really good.
It’s from 2012 as well.
Ralph Wetterhahn sounds like Al Pacino.
Is this a movie or a well financed Documentary? Please let me know.
The series was titled "Air Aces". 6 episodes. This was just a "webisode". I cut this and episode 3 (Gabby Gabreski). Use of live action airplanes (the P47 went up for mine, plus some english Spitfire stuff). CG and live action mixed.
It's a good series, older now, back from 2012. But do a search for Air Aces and you'll probably find something online.
@@MarkHoltze thanks alot.
Scenes from the 2018 "Thud Pilot" documentary. EXCELLENT!!!!!
before i clicked on this video i was expecting a Warthunder video
МиГ из пушки поливает как будто у него запас как на зсу.
На тех МиГах которые были во Вьетнаме пушек не было вообще. Они появились после.
Две ракеты и домой! Благо дул он быстро.
In warthunder soon guys
Owen The Boy they’ll release the F-22 and Su-57 before I grind my way up there lol
Now a reality in War Thunder
5 years later we are going to be able to watch this on live!!
Anyone ever read Dan Pedersons book about the navy asking him to create the top gun program he hand picked the best at that time as the navy’s k/d ratio was not good after pilots went through top gun their k/d ration jumped tenfold. Top gun by Dan Pedersons
The total loss of aircraft technology for the United States was absolutely catastrophic. The Air Force, Navy and ILC lost 3,374 aircraft. North Vietnamese aviation, which lost 150 MiG-17, MiG-19 and MiG-21 aircraft, destroyed 9% of American aircraft. The share of the S-75 air defense missile system accounts for 31%, the share of anti-aircraft artillery - 60%. However, a fair amount of weight in these 60 percent belongs to the Dvina complexes, which drove the enemy to the heights accessible to anti-aircraft guns. Also, do not dismiss and significant assistance information from the radar SAM, which provided anti-aircraft calculations.
So it’s safe to say: Soviet anti-aircraft missiles made a break in the air war. And the statistics here are impressive. Over the years, the Soviet Union delivered 95 complexes of various modifications and 7658 missiles to them to Vietnam. They were spent, and also lost in battles or 6806 missiles were out of order. Thus, for every plane (1046) shot down with the help of the air defense missile system, 6.5 missiles fell. Considering that there were 3,228 combat launches, it turns out 3.1 missiles for every aircraft shot down.
The threat of being hit by a C-75 rocket so strongly affected the psyche of American pilots that at times it took the form of psychosis. There are a significant number of cases where the pilots, visually detecting the launch of a rocket, left serviceable aircraft.
Ultimately Americans lost😜
I don’t know where you got that psychosis part from. Never even heard of that & I follow military history pretty closely. But those Soviet supplied missiles definitely did some damage. The U.S. also returned the favor, in the late 80’s, when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. The CIA supplied many Afghan resistance fighters with Stinger missiles which took a heavy toll on Soviet helicopters and helped turn the tide of the war.
@@coolcat6303 Long live the Atomic war. She'll make us all up! Is that what you want?!
Перевод: Да здравствует, Атомная война. Она нас всех помирит! Вы этого хотите?!
no wonder TOPGUN was born
They’re just protecting their home
F R E E D O M
From which documentary is this cliped?
Webisode from Air Aces Robin Olds
For anyone wondering, this is a TV series of Air Aces 2012
Все мы знаем, какая песня здесь должна быть)
Гимн СССР (помойки)?
@@blin4ikgd179, перед тем как обосрать кого-то, нужно снимать штаны) И раз ты тупенький и не понял о какой песне автор коммента, то мог промолчать. Хотя чего ожидать от антисоветчика(дауна)...
Гермошлем захлопнув на ходу :)
@@sahatkeshiyev3427,Мой фантом стрелою белой, на распластанном крыле сревом набирает высоту)
@@IIIllIlIIIIllIII, не понимаю, что творится у этих людей в головах, но наверное им весело
Indian air force has used Mig-21 with telling effect against western aircraft in two wars against Pakistan. Both times it proved its superiority. They are now being replaced with indigenous Tejas Mk-1 aircraft.
Rajiv Sethi
Wrong, Mig 21s participted in only one Indo Pak war i.e. 71, and outperformed F104 starfighter in one on one battle.
In 65's conflict they were roasted in PAFs ground attacks on halwara and Pathankot airbases, never saw any aftion.
nice to see the tejas finally in service after a 30 year development programme.
@@mrrolandlawrence there is a highly prominent word in India....Corruption
Hope u understand reasons for 30 yrs....😉😉
@@AhsonMalick yes in 71 gnatts were enough to seal the shithole of your Sabres.
In 1965 we took the revenge by gulping your Patton Tanks
@@amitrajendrathakur1217 are you bragging ab shooting down hand me down American technology? 😂
MiG 21: *turns fast*
F4: HOW?!?? HE’S HACKING!!!!!
Beautiful cinematic
まだ、電子艤装が発達していなかった当時では機動性の高いMig21は脅威だったと思うよ。
1976年札幌でのmig25も同様。
分解したときにアメリカ人が驚いていた。お陰でF15が改良できたはず。
@@Palovxontora 中身は真空管…
@@user-ju7py4fd5q その中身でマッハ3の飛行は悪くないね。
Да видно же по глазам, когда миг увидел мгновенно обосрался
Не кто не чего не видел. Прилетело под зад и все.....
Этим Голливудом, достали уже.....
Патери в мигах тоже была в етои ваине ета признат нада.
from what documentary is this
Excuse me, what time does the CGI referred to?
A Mig-21 shot down a F-16 just two days ago !
Yeah boii
@@retix11 umm...bro it actually happened.
Wet dreams of Indians lol. An f-16 shot down a mig-21 and a sukhoi-30 a year ago though. The poor pilot of the mig 21 was given a beating of his lifetime.
@@retix11 it did happened! It's not about the plane it's about the pilot skills.
@@retix11 fair point
Yeah and you think i believe this?
1:00 does anyone know the gun fire sfx name?
Yeah buddy ! Respect for that gentleman telling his story
Фантом - шшшшшит. Миг-21 - экселент, ёптыть!
Все экселент. Фантомище, все-таки, больше машина тяжелая, и заточенная под бой на порядочной дистанции, чему виной прихоть мистера Макнамара.
@@river_salmon Фантом задумывался как тяжёлый многоцелевой истребитель. Вполне себе годная концепция, при наличии ракет дальнего действия. Что подтверждается фактом существования F-14, F-15, Су27 и Су-35. Дог-файт - это далёкое прошлое.
@@user-kr4fb1mm1h почему прям прошлое? Пушечное вооружение никто не стал ведь с истребителей убирать
@@river_salmon , это типа как нож у бойца. Он обязательно есть, но основное оружие все таки автомат.
mig-21 won the war against Phantom. They shot down 101 F-4 having losses in 54 machines
Михаил Куницын sources pls 🙂
@@jackie1825
www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/vietnam/mig21/mig21.html 🙂
@@jackie1825 and one more.Look at the list of the aces of vietnam war. 16 north vietnam aces shot down 117 planes and 3 amrican aces shot down 16 planes
@@jackie1825 have you read
Михаил Куницын unfortunately i can’t read cyrillic
Many F4s were shot down by Mig 21 by Vietnamese pilots. A good weapon is also an advantage. But the human factor is decisive for every victory. from Vietnam
The F-4 is my favorite F series fighter. What a beautiful plane.
Instead, you should make a video of usa pilot telling a story about how he got the PTSD because of seeing all those MiG-21s shooting down F-4s. That would be more realistic.
The F-4 certainly came out on top most fights. Something like a 3-1 kill ratio against migs. Especially in this fight, IRL the migs got jumped and it was something like 9 migs downed for no losses.
@@tunaconsuma en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vietnam_War_flying_aces
@@tunaconsuma Once again, most of the advantages lay with the American pilots. They had far greater levels of support in SEAD and jamming and reconnaissance and especially, early warning. That's why the man says most were shot down by an aircraft they never saw.
@@thethirdman225 yes, that’s been the case since world war II. see first kill first
@@tunaconsuma The point being that they are placing too much importance on the aircraft and imagining 1 v 1 dogfights, which were rare.
За что вы боролись в небе над Вьетнамом, господин пилот?🤔
За долбасосную демократию
за тоже самое за что боролся совок в афгане и чечне
@@a1r1t1u1r11 как "совок" мог бороться за что-то в Чечне, если на тот момент уже как 4 года не существовал?
В чечне наши долбаные дерьмократы во главе с борей бабки зарабатывали и отмывали!
@@a1r1t1u1r11 в чечне войну развязал американская шестерка ельцин.
Where the afterburner is?
You are so right, that’s a pucker factor of 10.
My dad flew that plane f-4
No one cares
true nobody cares f
its cool
Than he should know that russian planes are better
@@sovietheart3883 no they are not)) soviet used to be at some point, but russians suck at everything but propaganda😂
A6M3 best plane of the Cold War
watfuk that was a zero with turboprop engine not jet lmaooo
@@captainopvious7498 turboprop................. you mean a piston radial engine.
Where is this scene from?
It's from a documentary series (Air Aces). This was a webisode I cut.
Air aces Robin Olds..
Props to the camera guy.
Did USA lose the Vietnam War or What happend?
the u.s. wanted to give the surrounding countries time to build their defenses to withstand the spread of communism. the big picture. that was winning for us. the south vietnamese would not stand and fight. they were going to die. the democrats were in control of the white house. and used a "limited engagement" policy. communism was held in check within viet nam. when a republican gained control of the white house, nixon withdrew our troops. they weren't there to win the war anyway. tet fisseled out. the kids back home didn't want to fight. cut and run began. was it a failure? only that american generation was gutless and had no stomach for the war. good thing our guys at guadalcanal didn't feel that way. we now know communism will collapse under its own weight. just like obamacare.
no the americans totally won. dont believe the communist propaganda that says otherwise.
@@mrrolandlawrence yeah.....n Americans also found WMD's in Iraq 😃😃
Kumar Kumar 😂
Yep, the US government lost because of lack of willingness, but the US military did not. In fact, US military annihilated NVA and Vietcong. US losses was about 50k soldiers while NVA/Vietcong was about 850k soldiers. So yeah
F-4!was the king of the sky in the 60’s and early 70’s. It is still one of the best jets ever!
Nah
then mig 21 make it dead in vn war?then comeback to usa?lmaooo
The count had now been completed and all aircraft “were present and accounted for", said the official. In its response, the Indian Air Force (IAF) said: “During the aerial engagement (on 27 February), one MiG 21 Bison of the IAF shot downone F-16 in Nowshera sector.Apr 6, 2019
what's the name of this show/program ?
Air Aces
@@MarkHoltze I was looking for this episode but can't find it? There is only 1 season with 6 episodes and all are about WWII aces. No jets there.
Fighter that kill hundreds of bricks in the air but American's still believe that f4 was superior to the legendary flying "fish bead"... that's why American's lost over 1500 aircraft in the 20 year long war but Vietcong lost only 150 fighters and won that war......
mig 21 are best in its class
F4 phantom is better than fishbed
The subscripts are in harmony with this guys narration. "big 21", "fantom palace" /supposedly "pilot"/, "loners 9 minutes" /i.e."longest"/ etc. Very deep indeed.😩
Thats why the F-4 Phantom is my favorite jet. That doesn’t mean the F-4+10 doesn’t get the luxury of the “favorite jet” title either.
MIG21 in India some years ago easily defeated even Eurofighters
Ya they're a very capable bird, especially if flown with the right strategy.
Schlipperschlopper Against Israel's F-15s those MIG-21s would be scrapped
The F-15 killed
MIG-21s and MIG-21Bis
MIG-23
MIG-25
MIG-29
SU-7
And more
Also the kill ratio is 102 to 0 so basically you have a killing machine that could only be killed if alone and the Soviets built a jet to specifically kill it which shows how much of a threat it is
The F15’s are a very capable multi role craft. Arguably one of the best ever made.
Only because the pilotes were badly trained, soviet pilots would have wiped out the whole F15 fleet.
Training is huge.
это про Макейна?
Возможно...он как раз на Тандерчифе летал...позже вьетнамцы его приземлили....
Vietnamiese Mig 21 PFM haven’t got gun but only R-3S missiles ! But great vidéo ! 👍
the Vietnamese and Afghans did not even have planes, but the American troops fled in fear
MiG best of the best ;)
obviously not american fighters that hunted migs dominated them
Немцы которые выжили тоже рассказывают как они героически нас били
👍🏾🤣
I mean, it is a pretty bold design choice to forgoe a forwardfacing Air to Air gun just to free up weight for 2 more rockets worth of load.
What is this from?
Stop the bull----. The U.S lost. That's what matters most. The U.S' F4-Phantom is aerodynamically clumsy compared to the sleek MiG21. It's common sense. MiG21 could easily out maneuver and out run the F4-Phantom. In close combat, the F4-Phantom was a sitting duck over North Vietnam. American pilots have admitted...
Yea you know nothing about air combat do you?
It doesn't matter much. The winner takes it-all. American pilots have admitted. F4-Phantom was no match to MiG 21; in close combat. By the way, most. American pilots couldn't tell the difference between. MiG 17s, 19s and 21s. Check out the ratio. American losses were much higher compared to North Vietnam. That's a fact. *The U.S -LOST! In one day-alone, 8-B52s together with their F4Phantom escorts were shot-down; over North Vietnam. How 'bout.that?. Quite recently, an aging MiG-21 was capable to shoot down an F-16 over Pakistan. Lol!
@@henryfreeman1713 funny enough American pilots didnt know a lot about air combat either
Henry Freeman whoa! That’s a very interesting point but nobody asked 😬
The mig 21 was more maneuverable but it bled its energy fast. But the f4 is faster and had more thrust and could outrun the mig 21. Once America captured some mig 21s and learned its weakness mig 21 pilots purposefully avoided f4s to the point where f4 pilots wanted to have bomber callsigns to lure out mig21s
F4 is a heavy and unwieldy aircraft. Personally it is horrible to see. MIG 21 was faster, I don't understand how this can happen in the video. If it really happened, congratulations to the pilot.
If you read about enough dog fights, you'll learn that the plane capabilities and weaknesses get exploited by the pilots, those flying against and inside. A pilot who knows a planes weakness knows how to work within it, many more scenario's far more unlikely than this have gone down on record as well. Planes don't win air battles, pilots do statistically speaking.
Lose your situational awareness, black out whatever...you're done. Luck plays a factor too of course.
Mig 21 is faster? You'd better check your facts: F-4D 1473 mph = Mach 2 plus! What a dope.
@@artemiafarrar5008 The speed is similar but mig 21 is more manageable. If you don't know these facts, don't mess with your mouth fucking idiot!!
@@pinco752 "more manageable" = it means nothing you dolt. And no, the speeds are not similar either.
I am from Brazil!!!
Great video!!!
Egyptian mig 21 defeated Israeli f4
In October -73
The iraqi not Egyptian the EIF all there fighters were lost
@@husseinoskovjino9398 not right