I think that the same routine will keep going. Teams are going to see the one year turnaround washington did and think they can do it too. Not to mention caleb and maye looking solid as well. Maye in particular could be the main reason teams keep throwing qbs to the wolves because he looks good in a awful situation
If you look at Peyton Manning he was not good coming into the league. The organization was okay with that. Coaches feel that if they don’t have a third year leap that the QB will never be good. Have them sit or have them play. Do not have them play just to be benched
@@FootballAnalysis1 I think they should go back to being patient but we're living in the "instant gratification age" so I just don't see that happening..
If you're going to draft a QB before you build the roster, then you'd better be prepared to sit that QB for several seasons while you build the roster. QB is the most critical position because it is a multiplier for your entire offense, but multiplying anything by zero is still zero. If your roster sucks then a QB won't save you, and you might just ruin the QB.
For the most part your right but people like cj stroud and Jayden Daniels came into situations where people thought the offense was a nothing for the most part and they immediately raised the play of everyone on the offense
@@lukerice3122this is true but, Cj had Nico and Tank who he could throw to consistently not to say that hes not talented but they were good assets to help him along, and for jd5 he’s a bit more special because they’ve built a scheme that really fits his playstyle and ability to break down a defense with his legs but yea those two are insane for what they do with these teams
To expand on Daniel’s case, the front office did a good job going out and picking up WRs who do the dirty work while already having a strong #1 in terry McLaren. Hail Mary catch aside, Noah brown has been exceptional in the blocking game which has opened the outside for the RBs and is a mostly reliable pass catcher. Luke McCaffery while still raw also goes out and blocks. And yeah the coaching staff also does a good job scheming around Daniel’s skill set and making things happen. So even while he’s a special case, the front office did what it could with low risk high reward signings to try and help him, and it’s paid dividends while some of these teams like the panthers traded valuable draft capital that would have given them possible help for Bryce in a rebuild just for the measly opportunity to break him before he even got a chance.
Every single major network and talk show absolutely dumping on the Falcons for a month straight for picking Penix and then letting him sit for two years to learn is now complaining about rushing young quarterbacks out and failing.
Umm no the issue with that is that penix is not very young. He’s gonna be 26 at best when he gets to start. But sure that’s fine if he’s good when he gets his shot. But the main issue is that Kirk would still count against the cap 2 years from now. And Kirk is absolutely gonna be the starter 3 years from now as well if he continues to play at a good level. Which is only gonna make it worse for penix and make it a waste of a draft pick for a team looking to win right now.
Mahomes has always said that he learned so much from Alex Smith in that year he sat behind him. Smith took Mahomes under his wing and taught him everything about playing in the NFL and I will always be grateful to Alex for that, because too many times other QBs follow the Brett Favre line and view the new kids as competition rather than apprentices.
Jesus loves you so much that he died for you so you could have eternal life! To get to heaven, you HAVE to believe in God, (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) and you HAVE to repent from your sins and turn from your evil ways, “Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.” John 14:6 ❤️
I've said before it is an impatience problem. My Lions built the team with the trade picks and Goff kept proving his worth doubling his value because we could continue building the team. A couple of more years and our success will show as our stars start leaving for their second contract.
It's funny. I keep seeing the Lions are "old school with a new philosophy". All they did was follow the philosophy of building from the inside-out. They inherited a few key pieces on the O-line already, but the D-line took a bit longer to come together. But being able to run the ball makes life much easier for the QB. Being able to stop the run makes the opposing QB have to take more chances. The only thing the Lions do that's "new" to is add a bit of pizazz on their passing plays and have extremely good blocking schemes. But the rebuild was smartly done because they used what the had, built out, and went from there. Holmes taught a master class on this.
I also was thinking how the Lions had people questioning some of their draft picks the last 2-3 years. They clearly are very good at finding prospects who suit their needs and are ignoring prevailing trends with drafting. Seriously impressive turn around. I might be a Seattle fan but I'd love to see the Lions in the super bowl this year (especially since there's no way in hell Seattle is going anywhere for the moment)
Jesus loves you so much that he died for you so you could have eternal life! To get to heaven, you HAVE to believe in God, (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) and you HAVE to repent from your sins and turn from your evil ways, “Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.” John 14:6 ❤️
Young would have had a better chance in Houston but probably nowhere near the success Stroud had last year. I hope Young gets traded, quietly develops for a bit, then reemerges to have a decent career. He seems like a good guy trying his hardest, so I don't want to see him become an all time bust.
I think one thing I would've liked for you to mention is also having good offensive coordinators for these QB's. Mac Jones didn't look nearly as good when McDaniels left, and Goff looked revitalized once Ben Johnson came along. Those aren't coincidences to me.
Well it's a combination of QB coach and offensive co-ordinator. Green Bay shows this. Matt LeFleur is brilliant and changing game plans for his QBs, even in game. You simply cannot call the same plays for Malik Willis that you can for Jordan Love. But Tom Clements is the QB coach for Green Bay. In less than a month, after training camp ended, he developed Malik Willis into a worthy backup QB. Malik was basically a throw away trade for Tennessee. Clements did in a month what Tennessee couldn't do in 3 training camps and 2 seasons. LeFleur designs the right offense for the QB and calls the right game, Clements gets the QB ready and playable. Sometimes it's the same person doing both.
One highlight out of the 2022 QB Class - Malik Willis became Green Bay’s Backup, got two starts in Week 2 & 3, plus a significant amount of time last week. Although he’s by no means an elite talent, he put up excellent numbers during those games. Goes to show how offensive design and coach matter a lot for QBs.
Josh Allen had 30 attempts and 9 completions against the Texans. But if you watched the game you would know there were a lot of drops and bad routes by receivers. Simply put, stat lines don't provide context. Richardson vs Texans was similar in terms of stats not providing context. Don't infer that I am saying Richardson will be Josh Allen. Just an example to point out that stats don't provide context. Thank you for being a voice of reason in all this irrationality.
This also coming off a knee injury where I doubt he practiced exceptionally well. he certainly shouldn’t have said what he did, but there’s a case to be made that he just wasn’t ready to play which is a failure of the coaching staff. Edit: hip, thanks for the correction.
There’s too much pressure from multiple places (owners, fans, ticket holders, media, etc.) for QBs to come in ready without a huge need for development. I believe social media has also put more pressure on teams to get things fixed quickly. The frustration of the fans is heard more now than ever thanks to social media.
As a lions fan I distinctly remember people wanting us to take Justin Fields. If we took Justin Fields over Sewell we would be in a Panthers like situation right now.
Disagree. Yall would probably still be balling. 1. Fields is a running QB, not having Sewell wouldn't effect him like it effects a pocket passer like Goff. 2. Dan Campbell is the real deal and would still make it work. 3. Panthers issue is so systemic from the owner on down. I doubt anyone other than a new and arrogant owner could mess up a franchise as much as the Panthers have. 4. From a Panthers fan... Panthers are still better cuz least they go to the SB once a decade while still being the most volatile team in NFL history, it's just part of the Panthers ride. Lions got to win a SB or go to three of em before they can talk to Panthers 😂😂😂😂 least that's what I cry out loud to go to sleep😢😢😢
sewell could end up being the best of all time at his spot if he has the career length of trent williams, fields was my guy (bears fan) but i wanted sewell that draft and quentin nelson the draft we took roquan, because the bears NEVER HAVE OFFENSIVE LINES
@ but if we take fields in 21 we would need to take a tackle in 22 which gives us either ekwonu or neal who both haven’t really lived up to expectations. unless we just ride and still take hutch I don’t think it would’ve worked out if we took fields.
I still think the thing people are missing is subbing Oline in, doesn’t have to be as much as dline corners and receivers do it but if baffles me that some teams who have good oline depth t haven’t at the very least tried it. Especially teams who spread the ball sideline to sideline, if u have oline with fresh legs they won’t slow up and instead keep blocking downfield giving higher chance for chunk plays. Might be stupid but I think it’s worth a try
works in theory, but getting 7-8 guys on the same page during the whole game is hard. it’s hard enough with the normal 5 trying to communicate how it’s going up front, let alone adding in 2-3 more rotating in
The o-line has to adjust to the defense running several different schemes throughout the game and it would probably get confusing subbing guys in and out if they haven’t played against the front the defense is in. Confusion on the o-line is the easiest way to get the qb k¡!!t so it’s not worth it in coaches eyes. For example a team has been blitzing, new o-lineman comes in and they fake the blitz, now the whole line is out of position because the fresh lineman didn’t adjust and blocked the wrong guy; the qb is liable to get wrecked. If the communication is extremely good it could be possible hypothetically
@@kaxmo69 very good point, I was even thinking the center would have to play 100% snaps and the rest I could get away with like a 70-90% snap rate for the starters kinda thing. That does make sense though
@@soloisrollin777 very true, as a rams fan seeing all the different oline combinations we’ve had has been a disaster. And yes having ur QB killed could be the easiest way to lose your job as a coach so it makes sense. I just remember a few years ago the packers having decent success moving Elton Jenkins around sheen he was first starting to get into the starting lineup. Maybe it could work like a 6th man swing lineman kinda thing but ya any deeper then that and there would probably some cause for concerns. I just think it’d be worth a try seeing how so many oline man recently haven’t even been missing assignments but just more so being overpowered which could be a sign of fatigue
@@kaxmo69 As a Saints fan who seen this offense crash and burn since losing McCoy (the starter center) in Week 3, OLine is the one group you need total cohesion with.
College football is producing: 1. Too many small QBs. 2. Too many running QBs who can't slide or otherwise protect themselves to stay healthy 3. Too many QBs who can't play under center. 4. Too many QBs who don't throw a ball more than 5 yards downfield. 5. Poor offensive linemen The NFL and NCAA need to rework their rules to be more consistent. Start by using the same football and standardize the hashes.
The poor offensive lineman aspect is due to the fact that these schemes target run games and the offensive lineman don’t consistently face top tier edge threats. So of course offensive lineman are gonna be slower to develop. That’s just gonna be the case. Cuz even the third string edge rusher on the cardinals would be better than most edge rushers at a college. So these olineman aren’t used to consistently facing that on a down to down basis. That’s why the highest drafted olineman are always large and athletic or highly technical guys who dominate the weaker opponents.
As a Bears fan who’s team never gets it right(Williams still pending) why should successful teams have to change anything for the sake of dysfunctional organizations.
The philosophy of "just a QB away" is why Washington was at best a middle of the pack team for years and years. The previous owner thought the team just needed that one special player to make a Super Bowl-winning team and wasn't ever willing to allow the kind of rebuild that was necessary. As soon as the team was sold to a smart owner, all of that has turned around and they've been extremely lucky to get the right GM, who hired the right HC, who hired the right coaching staff, all of whom drafted the right players and cut or traded the wrong players.
People need to fucking stop with CJ had a bad situation they drafted and rebuilt perfectly around him, good defense good offense line and weapons on offense
5:44 young QBs never should have been expected to change everything. They weren’t in the past, with even first rounders sitting behind a vet for a season or two. That’s what a team needs to do for prolonged success.
This isn’t gonna change. No way no how. Getting a single player to fix everything is the fastest and cheapest way to fix a franchise and even if it only has a less then 5% chance of working teams aren’t gonna stop running that quarterback slot machine to see if they can make it big because the right way to do this is just way to slow and a coach will get fired before they can pull It off the right way because it will piss fans off.
We saw all of this coming to a head, when Chicago drafted Justin Fields. And they turned around, changed up the coaching staff, while building up a little of nothing around Fields to actually succeed. And now he's fighting the stigma of just not being good, when the fact is, Chicago made the process way harder than it should've been. 3 years of development time wasted and we get to witness a highly gifted passer learning how to go through progressions at this level and stage of his career.
The NFL could use a minor league system, similar to MLB. QBs who were not ready used to be able to develop in NFL Europe, but that no longer exists. True story: Jake Delhomme called his father from Europe and told his father he was thinking of quitting because he couldn't even start in NFL Europe. The father asked who the starter was and Jake responded "Some guy named Kurt Warner." So, even an HOF NFL QB needed time to develop. He could play and develop in Europe.
There’s a reason I liked the Falcons drafting Penix and it mostly has to do with what you brought up here. There are a few great qbs that came in and started out well in their rookie years, but that’s the Joe Burrows and the CJ Strouds, all of whom are exceptions, not the rule. The vast majority of qbs need some time to develop and if they can do it while sitting behind a solid veteran like Love did and how I suspect Penix will turn out, it’s all the better. Josh Allen struggled in his first year, but what if the Bills had brought in some veteran to show Josh the ropes while he sits for a year? Would Allen be even better than the top 5 qb he already is? I guess we’ll see in a season or two when Kirk retires if this works out and if the league will start to follow suit.
The problem people includiny myself have with penix isnt that they have kirk cousins, its that cousins WILL be being paid large numbers of money for at least 3 years and 3 years from now penix will be 27. It just feels like you could have waited a year drafted someone who would still sit for 2 years then start playing on a rookie contract for 3 years instead of the 2 penix would get and being 4 years younger
This really is nothing new. It's just back then, rookie QBs were, for the most part, sat behind a vet for a year to absorb the offense and scheme so they weren't killed their first time out. Otherwise, most rookie QBs tend to otherwise fail. Been that way since the league was founded.
Out of all the teams that are defensive led Rus is BY FAR LEAPS AND BOUNDS the best QB ..and that offense was constantly nice ( Golden Tate , Jermaine Kearse, Percy Harvin , Jimmy Graham ) and RBs usually a great defensive team have a great RB( Walter Payton, Jamal Lewis , ) y’all had both
Russell Wilson was FAR better in 2012-2015 than Peyton Manning in 2015 or Trent Dilfer in his entire career. I still can't believe the Broncos lost 43-8 to the Seahawks in 2013, or that they beat the Panthers 24-10 in 2015. I'd expect those years to be reversed since the 2013 Broncos were terrifying in every level of the game but the 2015 Broncos were so bad at offense.
I've been saying for YEARS that teams have to build their LINES FIRST for their skill players to have any shot at competing. How many times have we seen a QB in the off-season slinging the ball around like the next coming of Pat Mahomes UNTIL he faces an NFL pass rush and then he's in deep waters? Mitigate the trenches and all else becomes infinitely more achievable.
Thank you. A successful quarterback is an amalgamation of a lot of things: An offensive line that can protect him, receivers who run correct routes and are on the same page when it all breaks down, a running game that can take the pressure off and an offensive scheme that exposes the defense. If you can't provide any of these things then drafting a quarterback should be at the bottom of your list. Brock Purdy is a prime example of what a quarterback can do with decent talent and coaching around him. Need another example? How about sixth round draft pick Tom Brady? How about 17th round pick Bart Starr? Hell, Johnny Unitas walked off of a sand lot. The fact is you can draft a decent quarterback late in the draft as long as you have all the other pieces in place. As in most aspects of life, there are no shortcuts.
I try to think what the Vikings have done too. For the first time in a long time the Vikings organization truly is going in the right direction. I saw the Vikings video a few days ago but I do think it does ignore a lot of the good things about the team.
Big Ben, Luck, Dak, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud are just a rare breed that were truly what they call “NFL Ready”. The last 3 ruined it for all QBs coming in to the league for the foreseeable future. If these guys aren’t coming in and breaking records teams are quick to want to move on.
'Can't ignore the other 52' So True: How'd those WR's look with Flacco? Routes were much cleaner and crisp! Timing was again a factor. Oline was more cohesive. Young's rookie yr: The only highlights were from the games Dalton played and the offence looked like a unit, not a good unit but a unit. -Some rookies need to sit, some don't, but either way running QB's get hurt and running QB's who can't throw are a waste of a pick!
We knew from the beginning that none of the QB's in the 2023 draft were going to be any good. We already know CJ was the exception. Teams are just accepting their mistakes and moving on earlier now.
The other thing to keep in mind for the Colts is that they aren't going to the Super Bowl even if they do make the playoffs with Flacco. So the idea that Flacco gives them the best chance to win actually hurts the team because they'll just be stuck drafting middle of the board. Much weaker chance at getting an elite player to build with that way. I love Flacco, and AR does need benched after his tired comment, but in the Colts' situation I'd say losing with AR is better than winning a few more games with Flacco both from a development standpoint and a future building standpoint.
The Colts were fine with losing with AR but then he took himself out of the game. Every single NFL insider who spoke to execs at other teams & retired NFL player said the same thing, the Colts had to bench AR for that. Do you think Steichen can say that's why AR was benched? Not going to happen. Don't listen to what teams say to the media. They rarely tell us what's really going on.
Honestly, I would just tell NFL teams to look at the top 10ish QBs and tell me how many started out the gate. Most of them played less than half the games in year one.
While everything you said is true the problem is truly a connundrum ..it’s the fault of the salary cap ..people take young QBs high because having the most expensive position performing well is arguably the best bargain in sports …it doesn’t make sense to draft a QB high a potentially waste cheapest years and easiest years to build your team because of “development “ that’s too much caring about the individual player especially since they have slotted salaries it’s not as big of a L to simply reshuffle the deck with a new high draft prospect than it is to hold on and try …the only way I see what you saying happening is A) if they make QBs not be counted against the cap or B) they allow you to negotiate a rookies salary payment again..Great video tho bro
Hes just playing on a good team with great coaching, O Line and run game. Imagine how piss poor Jordan INT Love would look on a mediocre team. But....Packers would be far more dangerous starting Malik cuz they focus on the run game instead of thinking Love can win with 2-3 int's and 58% completions
What NFL teams is doing is fine rn but impatient media and in some cases, awful owners (paging David Tepper) give up on QB’s too quickly. Bryce Young, it’s obvious why he’s struggled. AR’s situation is unique because I don’t think he’d be getting so much stick if it wasn’t for Flacco fans. Mac Jones may be better than he actually is because of the multiple awful OC’s.
I know they’re people too, but can we fuckin cool it with the “food out of their months” comments? This guy has more money than most of us will ever see.
other positions sub in and out during a series... Other positions pull themselves all the time. QB is one of the only spots that don't have that option... That being said you cant say the quite parts out loud
It already is kinda similar, caleb left what we thought was no time for jayden to go down the field and score but he somehow did, similar to mahomes leading a 13 second drive
@@edwardoutlawjr8154 obviously don’t know fs but with Washington’s schedule i could see them winning a top 3 seed. If Chicago can win some tough games to end the year they could get the 6 or 7th seed setting up a playoff matchup this year. I know it’s premature but i could fs see it happening
The Packers are literally the blueprint to create good QB’s idk how nfl teams haven’t caught on yet. Luckily some teams are finally starting to follow that same Packers plan of sitting a young QB for 1-3 years before throwing them out there
Very true. Even Favre sat in Atlanta his first year. Brady, Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, these guys all sat and look at what they've accomplished/become. The best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one.
@@Ryan-gz9xg Jordan Love literally sat and that’s what made him “elite”. You don’t need a HOF QB everytime to still benefit a young QB bro. Just sign a veteran QB and let to young QB sit, it ain’t rocket science
@@JAVARRIS88 nope not true. Alex Smith isn’t a HOF and they made Mahomes sit. Teams need to just sign a solid veteran QB and keep the young QB on the bench for 1-3 years. Y’all are completely overthinking it. A vet QB has experience that they can teach young QB it doesn’t matter if it’s a HOF or just a solid vet, obviously it would be even better if they had a HOF QB
The idea that rookie QBs are going to save your team is far fetched at best and even thinking that a first round pick guarantees a team gets a franchise QB is pretty absurd. Unfortunately I think CJ Stroud has turned that conventional wisdom on it's head in a lot of people's minds (NFL front offices and fans alike) and has placed unrealistic expectations on the current batch of rookie QBs. That was unfortunately compounded by the perception that this year's draft had an unusual number of exceptional QBs. In fact many are already arguing that this year's talent rivaled the fabled 1983 QB draft. But for every Dan Marino that is found there is also a Todd Blackledge. For every John Elway there is a Tony Eason. And it's wise to remember that Marino didn't become a full time starter until his second season despite the mess that Miami had at QB when he arrived. Likewise Elway didn't reach a Super Bowl until 86. The sad thing for rookie QBs that have real talent is that often the teams that draft them desperately need them to be exceptional and often need them to be exceptional on a team without talent. In short highly drafted QBs are rarely given the luxury of learning on the job. In fact conventional wisdom takes against the idea of drafting a QB high when that position appears to be reasonably secure on your team, hence the backlash that Atlanta received for taking Pennix. Such thinking also has a lot to do with New England giving into the prospect of inserting Drake Maye as a starter behind what is described as one of the worst lines in the league in what is essentially a wasted season for the Patriots. The truth is there simply aren't enough quality QBs to go around and the pressure to "win NOW" is pretty severe in today's NFL. Inserting QBs before they are ready on very bad teams ends up creating far too many Baker Mayfield's and Sam Darnalds where QBs are set up to fail before they even step on the field. Thankfully free agency gives those guys a second chance to find a better situation. It's just a shame that they have to endure that kind of nonsense to begin with.
This is something I've been thinking about recently about the current state of the NFL. There is so much impatience in the league today. Everyone wants to "Win Now" and look to outliers like Matt Ryan & C.J. Stroud, how they came out and led their teams to the playoffs right away. But as you say, the Detroit Lions (& Buffalo Bills) are one of the first teams I've seen in a while in the NFL that built they way into a contender the old school way. A team that slowly climbs the ladder while seeing obvious improvement each year. (You still generally see this slow climb in the NBA, see teams like the Bucks & Nuggets, even the Warriors leading up to their dynasty.) I've been thinking for a while that it feels like the league should start shifting back to the running game soon. The mantra the used to be said back in the day: "A young QBs best friend is a good running game." Also, this vid pains me as a Saints fan, because it feels like all NFL fans can see this team needs a reset, except the one guy that matters...Mickey Loomis.
There’s a lot of variables involved that not every team can replicate. Trading your elite level but aging QB for a load of first round picks that have all worked out and a down on his luck young qb with a chip on his shoulder (Goff). It’s probably one of the greatest sports trades of all time. Rams got an insta-Super Bowl and Detroit got to build the best offense in the NFL.
Realistically, a rebuild like this should take a while. Too many franchises right now think getting the right QB or star player is enough to flip the team into a winner. Some franchises just need to learn slow cook their meal instead of microwaving it.
As a 20 year Colts fan I am so sick of hearing people say “well Flacco gives them the best chance to win” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 WIN WHAT?!?!?!?! 2 extra games just for the chance to MAYBE be the 7th seed and get dog walked wildcard weekend??? We’re nowhere close to contenders so what’s the point??? The goal is to win titles not participation trophies!!! We need our QB of the future, who these idiots drafted 18 months ago KNOWING he was raw and needed reps, to develop and we need to build the team around him. The smart and big picture move is to let him play. If he sucks the whole year we get a high pick which we desperately need since our dumbass GM rarely makes any off-season moves. But since it’s becoming more and more obvious that he sucks at his job he knows his ass is on the line smfh this is ass covering 101 and that’s not how you build a champion 😒😒😒😒😒 what a shitshow
It’s like getting your first real job with a large corporation, not as a sales trainee but as the CEO day 1 and then asked to instantly make the company profitable. That’s a lot of weight to carry for a 21 yr old kid.
I wrote a paper about this years ago just as an exercise for a writing class. Teams approach it as “build around a franchise QB”, but in reality that doesn’t work. QBs are not the foundation, they’re the keystone that you put in at the end to hold it all up. Keystones are worthless without the rest of the structure. They’re just stones. If you look at the draft history of QBs in the last 20 years, there are very few top 3 picks at QB that pan out for the team that drafted them. Stroud is looking to be an outlier in that category. As are Caleb and Daniels. Maybe teams have begun figuring it out because all those teams had a roster ready made for a QB to step into to some extent.
Bryce young not being able to see over the line and see the defense hurts his oline. Qbs have to get rid of the ball. This applies to lamar jackson too.
You have to mention the ‘02 Buccs defense before the broncos ‘15 roster. The don’t call it broncos 2. Literal defensive scheme made famous by the most dominant coverage defense to ever exist.
This is exactly right. You can count on one hand the # of qbs who started right away as rookies who had a successful career, but every year we have guys proclaimed as "bust" cuz they were drafted high and started too soon.
Lack of QB development is simply a symptom of the real problem....no long term thinking in the NFL. Problem? Get someone new in there.... No immediate success, time for someone new. From GM all the way down.
I think partially why the CJ Stroud situation worked out so well, is because Houston didn’t pressure Stroud to be the “Franchise Savior”. He was started his first year to simply go out there and play ball. The lack of pressure to turn the franchise around instantly, ironically did just that.
Something I've always wondered is that every year, a team gets 1st over all pick because they have bad players, bad coaches and bad GMs and lost tons of games. However, someway, somehow we pretend that these bad teams are good at talent evaluation and can pick the right guy out of the box. Kind of counter-intuitive, if I may to say.
Let’s be honest qb play has been the same from the start of the 21st century and has arguably gotten better, in the 21st century the superbowl winners have been comprised mostly of Brady, Manning, Big Ben and mahomes… the outliers obviously Kurt Warner, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning
You have a league where running backs are quarterbacks. The emphasis in college these days is on mobility and running rather than passing skills. That is a problem. Also the idea of getting 17 game checks for players whereas the paradigm should shift to a weekly or bi-weekly pay system. I think there should be 2 week breaks here and there when games aren’t played but I think guys thrive on routine and the NFL needs to be a year-round job. ALL offseason workouts and coaching sessions should be mandatory barring injury. The product is lousy because there are fewer practices; the union cut down teams abilities to have more practice. The NFL should establish a quarterback school where young signal callers can get mentorship, cross pollenization of ideas and techniques.
IF the NFL establishes a quarterback school where young signal callers can get mentorship, cross pollenization of ideas and techniques, IT should be COMPLETLY independent of any NFL orginizations (COMPLETELY OWNED AND OPERATED).
I know that Bryce is always and in all ways positive along with genuinely being a good guy but, I would really love to see him stop saying super super fortunate, super super blessed, super super grateful etc etc. It'd be crazy to see him pull some conduct detrimental to the team and call out the organization for putting him in a spot of complete fuckery. It might give him an edge
The panthers are so far from being a functioning franchise that by the time Bryce would be figuring it out, they would have to pay him $50+ million a year and wouldn’t be able to maintain anything they did build around him because of cap space.
I believe this. I feel the NFL and also people are way too impatient in having QBS develop in the slightest. Everyone is too hasty on wanting Mahomes or Stroud next tbh when they are so rare. Stop going for the rare gems! Start building around the position! Offensive line, receivers, a running game and defense is all important before getting a QB!
The NFL should go back to a more patient approach with quarterbacks but after what I just saw with Drake Maye, the media and fans that would not shut up about getting him on the field even though they're going nowhere this season and everybody knows it. I can't see them going back to giving these guys time..
No point in sitting him Maye right now, us going nowhere gives us the perfect reason to start him, we already have nothing to lose, he’s only going to develop quicker this way and it’s clearly working, he’s looked great in the 2.5 games he’s played
Another thing that is immensely key that NFL teams absolutely need to start doing is testing out a coach before they give him the Quarterback, and especially not settling on a guy who had already wasted the talents of their QB when drafting a new QB. A good coaching scheme is worth way more than QB talent. Let's face it, if we revisited the 2017 NFL draft, Patrick Mahomes goes #1 overall and would be *nowhere* close to the player he has been. The Browns were absolutely awful that season. Receiving core was basically waiting out Josh Gordon being suspended and they had no run game. Instead he was coached by Andy Reid who has to outright be the greatest active coach in the League. Another QB who went from Mr. Irrelevant to an undeserved MVP candidate is Brock Purdy, who came under the tutelage of Kyle Shanahan's offense that had shown some success with many different QBs, considering they could win games after the injury to Jimmy G. CJ Beathard, Nick Mullens are two QBs who got a win in Shanahan's offense. And we know Mullens couldn't get a win as a member of the Vikings with their receiving core as strong as it is. Purdy would have been a Practice Squad QB anywhere else tbqh, but he landed in the right system that was built long before he fit into it. Meanwhile, let's take a look at one case of a QB that looked at one point ready to meet his college potential and now is being paid way more than he's worth. What happened to Trevor Lawrence? He was set up to fail. Urban Meyer we learned was an absolutely awful person when he was on the losing side of things, and frankly I said before that acquisition that the Jaguars had 99 problems but a QB wasn't one, and so they got a QB to replace Gardner Minshew, who was frankly THE bright spot on that Jaguars team. They continued to fail, and replaced the head coach. Then we basically looked at a Bortles part 2 where one great season came out of nowhere and then it's been a flop since. Coaching matters.
Theres a combination of a lot of things going on. First is that I don't think the college game nor the NFL game is actually interested in developing guys as much as they are interested in creating a scheme that allows them to win now. This makes it even harder now to project who will make it in the NFL leading teams to just try and look for prospects that have rawer skills and they can develop them into star QBs. Allen is the quintessential example of this, but Mahomes, Lamar, and Goff are all examples of this as well. ALso rookie QBs are just paid sooo much less than they were prior to Sam Bradford. I think this leads to teams reaching on QBs at higher picks than they otherwise would have during the earlier years. Because rookie QBs are cheaper, draft busts aren't as significant as they once were and if the guy doesn't work out, they'll get rid of them.
@@bellman4336 That's a debatable topic but I'm referring to the No Fly Zone like the 2000 Ravens and 85 Bears being one of the great defenses to carry a garbage offense to win a Super Bowl. The Seahawks had a capable offense so that's why they didn't mention them in the video.
Draft a running QB they say First thing they do is tell the QB to run less and pass more, then wonder why they aren’t as successful as they were in college. Rushing QB’s have to also have a great arm. (Lamar, Vick, etc.)
I think the development difference between O-line and D-line contributes to the QB problem. Because the O-line is not as sexy, and tends to make less money at every talent level, there is more talent on defense, because talent chases money. That means QBs need to be more mobile to remain effective behind their less talented lines. Both the QBs and lines need more coaching, and need to learn to work together as a team. If the Colts don't play like today matters, they might as well tell their veterans to make career decisions for the rest of the year. I still think that Zach Wilson's problem was mostly a Jets problem, and the fact that they are worse with Rodgers is my evidence.
I never thought an owner had so much influence. Washington proved that it's a huge factor. My minds changed. Carolina needs to get that ignorant owner to sell and get back on track.
-Never will understand Bryce over Stroud, it was seeing 'want' over 'reality'. Same with AR. -Take "I believe" + "tons of potential/intangibles" + "Oh the Excitement!" OVER "I observed and measured" + "realistic NFL expectation" + "pragmatism" and most will take Reggie Bush over Mario Williams again just like the fools before. -I was truly wrong about one player and that was Lamar and AR is/was no LJ. Why so few games at QB in his life? Running QB's get hurt! If they can't throw and can't stay healthy they don't succeed in NFL and I'm sick of seeing BU's! -Change is constant in the NFL, but other than rule changes, those changes are all recycled! Cyclical like you said.
Hard to go from college to NFL for quarterbacks but would like to see offensive linemen. Get better because that's the best thing you could do to help quarterback development is good o line.
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What do you think NFL teams should do moving forward? 🤔
Not 100% sure but God bless you brotha ur content is amazing.
I think that the same routine will keep going. Teams are going to see the one year turnaround washington did and think they can do it too. Not to mention caleb and maye looking solid as well. Maye in particular could be the main reason teams keep throwing qbs to the wolves because he looks good in a awful situation
If you look at Peyton Manning he was not good coming into the league. The organization was okay with that. Coaches feel that if they don’t have a third year leap that the QB will never be good. Have them sit or have them play. Do not have them play just to be benched
@oscarhess1376 so a coach can't reevaluate the process he has chosen and change his mind, when he feels somethings not working.
@@FootballAnalysis1 I think they should go back to being patient but we're living in the "instant gratification age" so I just don't see that happening..
This guy is better than the people on TV analyzing the NFL.
Except that he needs an editor. Badly. There are only so many times I can hear “has went.”
@@coravoyx oh boohoo cry about it
He isnt hired for being a "personality". Not saying he doesnt have one, but i dont want to hear stephen a smiths and skips
Just a bunch of rich people lol
This was by far the most rational take I've seen this week given all the "drama".
If you're going to draft a QB before you build the roster, then you'd better be prepared to sit that QB for several seasons while you build the roster.
QB is the most critical position because it is a multiplier for your entire offense, but multiplying anything by zero is still zero. If your roster sucks then a QB won't save you, and you might just ruin the QB.
For the most part your right but people like cj stroud and Jayden Daniels came into situations where people thought the offense was a nothing for the most part and they immediately raised the play of everyone on the offense
@@lukerice3122this is true but, Cj had Nico and Tank who he could throw to consistently not to say that hes not talented but they were good assets to help him along, and for jd5 he’s a bit more special because they’ve built a scheme that really fits his playstyle and ability to break down a defense with his legs but yea those two are insane for what they do with these teams
Unless you’re the colts, richardson is fucking trash.
To expand on Daniel’s case, the front office did a good job going out and picking up WRs who do the dirty work while already having a strong #1 in terry McLaren. Hail Mary catch aside, Noah brown has been exceptional in the blocking game which has opened the outside for the RBs and is a mostly reliable pass catcher. Luke McCaffery while still raw also goes out and blocks. And yeah the coaching staff also does a good job scheming around Daniel’s skill set and making things happen. So even while he’s a special case, the front office did what it could with low risk high reward signings to try and help him, and it’s paid dividends while some of these teams like the panthers traded valuable draft capital that would have given them possible help for Bryce in a rebuild just for the measly opportunity to break him before he even got a chance.
if the players aren’t ready then they should stay in college until they are. That’s the risk they’re taking when they declare before they’re ready.
Every single major network and talk show absolutely dumping on the Falcons for a month straight for picking Penix and then letting him sit for two years to learn is now complaining about rushing young quarterbacks out and failing.
Came here to post this. Falcons suddenly playing chess.
drafting and letting a young qb sit was never the problem with atl. They drafted a 24 year old rookie who will be 26-27 when he first starts
@@aaryanshah7531 and the problem here is…?
@@aaryanshah7531add that he has no knee tendons too 😂
Umm no the issue with that is that penix is not very young. He’s gonna be 26 at best when he gets to start. But sure that’s fine if he’s good when he gets his shot. But the main issue is that Kirk would still count against the cap 2 years from now. And Kirk is absolutely gonna be the starter 3 years from now as well if he continues to play at a good level. Which is only gonna make it worse for penix and make it a waste of a draft pick for a team looking to win right now.
Mahomes has always said that he learned so much from Alex Smith in that year he sat behind him. Smith took Mahomes under his wing and taught him everything about playing in the NFL and I will always be grateful to Alex for that, because too many times other QBs follow the Brett Favre line and view the new kids as competition rather than apprentices.
Favre has proved to be a douche in every way.
Jesus loves you so much that he died for you so you could have eternal life! To get to heaven, you HAVE to believe in God, (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) and you HAVE to repent from your sins and turn from your evil ways, “Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.” John 14:6 ❤️
I've said before it is an impatience problem. My Lions built the team with the trade picks and Goff kept proving his worth doubling his value because we could continue building the team. A couple of more years and our success will show as our stars start leaving for their second contract.
It's funny. I keep seeing the Lions are "old school with a new philosophy". All they did was follow the philosophy of building from the inside-out. They inherited a few key pieces on the O-line already, but the D-line took a bit longer to come together. But being able to run the ball makes life much easier for the QB. Being able to stop the run makes the opposing QB have to take more chances. The only thing the Lions do that's "new" to is add a bit of pizazz on their passing plays and have extremely good blocking schemes. But the rebuild was smartly done because they used what the had, built out, and went from there. Holmes taught a master class on this.
I also was thinking how the Lions had people questioning some of their draft picks the last 2-3 years. They clearly are very good at finding prospects who suit their needs and are ignoring prevailing trends with drafting. Seriously impressive turn around. I might be a Seattle fan but I'd love to see the Lions in the super bowl this year (especially since there's no way in hell Seattle is going anywhere for the moment)
They're impatient because they're drafting sucky players hoping that they'll be pleasantly surprised.
Jesus loves you so much that he died for you so you could have eternal life! To get to heaven, you HAVE to believe in God, (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) and you HAVE to repent from your sins and turn from your evil ways, “Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.” John 14:6 ❤️
@@IloveJesusChristamen Jesus never said you have to repent to inherit eternal life. Go read your Bible.
Lovie needs a ring and statue if the Texans win a superbowl
Cowboys will win another Super bowl before Texans win their first
@@88Cragergood joke bro
not gonna happen ever
@@88Crager theres no chance the cowboys are ever winning another sb with the jones family lmao
Young would have had a better chance in Houston but probably nowhere near the success Stroud had last year. I hope Young gets traded, quietly develops for a bit, then reemerges to have a decent career. He seems like a good guy trying his hardest, so I don't want to see him become an all time bust.
I think one thing I would've liked for you to mention is also having good offensive coordinators for these QB's. Mac Jones didn't look nearly as good when McDaniels left, and Goff looked revitalized once Ben Johnson came along. Those aren't coincidences to me.
Omg Mac Jones got absolutely broken by Matt Patricia and Judge I couldn’t believe Bellichick let that happen
Mac also had a Bryce young situation
he does vastly overlook good coaching which is far more valuable than players at times
coaching can def make or break players
@@spidamitchell8311Mac at least showed promise in nfl games
Well it's a combination of QB coach and offensive co-ordinator. Green Bay shows this.
Matt LeFleur is brilliant and changing game plans for his QBs, even in game. You simply cannot call the same plays for Malik Willis that you can for Jordan Love.
But Tom Clements is the QB coach for Green Bay. In less than a month, after training camp ended, he developed Malik Willis into a worthy backup QB. Malik was basically a throw away trade for Tennessee. Clements did in a month what Tennessee couldn't do in 3 training camps and 2 seasons.
LeFleur designs the right offense for the QB and calls the right game, Clements gets the QB ready and playable.
Sometimes it's the same person doing both.
One highlight out of the 2022 QB Class - Malik Willis became Green Bay’s Backup, got two starts in Week 2 & 3, plus a significant amount of time last week. Although he’s by no means an elite talent, he put up excellent numbers during those games. Goes to show how offensive design and coach matter a lot for QBs.
Josh Allen had 30 attempts and 9 completions against the Texans. But if you watched the game you would know there were a lot of drops and bad routes by receivers. Simply put, stat lines don't provide context.
Richardson vs Texans was similar in terms of stats not providing context. Don't infer that I am saying Richardson will be Josh Allen. Just an example to point out that stats don't provide context.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in all this irrationality.
Tbf AR15 should NOT have said that, but scouts noted his lack of conditioning during the draft process. Him getting tired should not surprise anyone.
This also coming off a knee injury where I doubt he practiced exceptionally well. he certainly shouldn’t have said what he did, but there’s a case to be made that he just wasn’t ready to play which is a failure of the coaching staff.
Edit: hip, thanks for the correction.
@@futuretrunks9839it was a hip (this year), but I agree with you.
Y’all are overblowing this 😂
he has the physical ability no doubt....but he's so lacking in the mental area
and that can''t be taught
NIL, Transfer Portal and the current college game are making QB selection a lottery instead of methodical process
There’s too much pressure from multiple places (owners, fans, ticket holders, media, etc.) for QBs to come in ready without a huge need for development. I believe social media has also put more pressure on teams to get things fixed quickly. The frustration of the fans is heard more now than ever thanks to social media.
As a lions fan I distinctly remember people wanting us to take Justin Fields. If we took Justin Fields over Sewell we would be in a Panthers like situation right now.
Disagree. Yall would probably still be balling.
1. Fields is a running QB, not having Sewell wouldn't effect him like it effects a pocket passer like Goff.
2. Dan Campbell is the real deal and would still make it work.
3. Panthers issue is so systemic from the owner on down. I doubt anyone other than a new and arrogant owner could mess up a franchise as much as the Panthers have.
4. From a Panthers fan... Panthers are still better cuz least they go to the SB once a decade while still being the most volatile team in NFL history, it's just part of the Panthers ride. Lions got to win a SB or go to three of em before they can talk to Panthers 😂😂😂😂 least that's what I cry out loud to go to sleep😢😢😢
....what?
sewell could end up being the best of all time at his spot if he has the career length of trent williams, fields was my guy (bears fan) but i wanted sewell that draft and quentin nelson the draft we took roquan, because the bears NEVER HAVE OFFENSIVE LINES
@ but if we take fields in 21 we would need to take a tackle in 22 which gives us either ekwonu or neal who both haven’t really lived up to expectations. unless we just ride and still take hutch I don’t think it would’ve worked out if we took fields.
This is one of the dumbest comments I've read and I'm not sure why it has so many likes
I still think the thing people are missing is subbing Oline in, doesn’t have to be as much as dline corners and receivers do it but if baffles me that some teams who have good oline depth t haven’t at the very least tried it. Especially teams who spread the ball sideline to sideline, if u have oline with fresh legs they won’t slow up and instead keep blocking downfield giving higher chance for chunk plays. Might be stupid but I think it’s worth a try
works in theory, but getting 7-8 guys on the same page during the whole game is hard. it’s hard enough with the normal 5 trying to communicate how it’s going up front, let alone adding in 2-3 more rotating in
The o-line has to adjust to the defense running several different schemes throughout the game and it would probably get confusing subbing guys in and out if they haven’t played against the front the defense is in. Confusion on the o-line is the easiest way to get the qb k¡!!t so it’s not worth it in coaches eyes. For example a team has been blitzing, new o-lineman comes in and they fake the blitz, now the whole line is out of position because the fresh lineman didn’t adjust and blocked the wrong guy; the qb is liable to get wrecked. If the communication is extremely good it could be possible hypothetically
@@kaxmo69 very good point, I was even thinking the center would have to play 100% snaps and the rest I could get away with like a 70-90% snap rate for the starters kinda thing. That does make sense though
@@soloisrollin777 very true, as a rams fan seeing all the different oline combinations we’ve had has been a disaster. And yes having ur QB killed could be the easiest way to lose your job as a coach so it makes sense. I just remember a few years ago the packers having decent success moving Elton Jenkins around sheen he was first starting to get into the starting lineup. Maybe it could work like a 6th man swing lineman kinda thing but ya any deeper then that and there would probably some cause for concerns. I just think it’d be worth a try seeing how so many oline man recently haven’t even been missing assignments but just more so being overpowered which could be a sign of fatigue
@@kaxmo69 As a Saints fan who seen this offense crash and burn since losing McCoy (the starter center) in Week 3, OLine is the one group you need total cohesion with.
The Idea of waiting for players to develop is slowly being thrown out the window by most teams.
College football is producing:
1. Too many small QBs.
2. Too many running QBs who can't slide or otherwise protect themselves to stay healthy
3. Too many QBs who can't play under center.
4. Too many QBs who don't throw a ball more than 5 yards downfield.
5. Poor offensive linemen
The NFL and NCAA need to rework their rules to be more consistent. Start by using the same football and standardize the hashes.
Bo Nix doesn't fall into any of these luckily
The poor offensive lineman aspect is due to the fact that these schemes target run games and the offensive lineman don’t consistently face top tier edge threats. So of course offensive lineman are gonna be slower to develop. That’s just gonna be the case. Cuz even the third string edge rusher on the cardinals would be better than most edge rushers at a college. So these olineman aren’t used to consistently facing that on a down to down basis. That’s why the highest drafted olineman are always large and athletic or highly technical guys who dominate the weaker opponents.
@@brianbadonde9251umm bo nix definitely didn’t have to throw downfield that much at Oregon my man.
@@crimsonchin8916 It boggles the mind that the Broncos have a winning record with Bo at QB
6. Too many QBs with small hands
7. Too many QBs with stupid mullets
Exhibit A, Kenny Pickett.
0:44 AND THE GOFFS 🦁🦁🦁
Yep Jared golf
As a Bears fan who’s team never gets it right(Williams still pending) why should successful teams have to change anything for the sake of dysfunctional organizations.
That’s true and I don’t think they should. Also btw Chicago did Justin dirty when he was there
Stopped watching TV talk shows and just watch this guy now. Excellent as always
whatsinmy AI fixes this. NFL change; Vikings struggling explained.
The philosophy of "just a QB away" is why Washington was at best a middle of the pack team for years and years. The previous owner thought the team just needed that one special player to make a Super Bowl-winning team and wasn't ever willing to allow the kind of rebuild that was necessary.
As soon as the team was sold to a smart owner, all of that has turned around and they've been extremely lucky to get the right GM, who hired the right HC, who hired the right coaching staff, all of whom drafted the right players and cut or traded the wrong players.
That AR segment devolved into reiterating the same 3-4 statements in differing ways but always involving "Hey, Shane.." Lol
People need to fucking stop with CJ had a bad situation they drafted and rebuilt perfectly around him, good defense good offense line and weapons on offense
5:44 young QBs never should have been expected to change everything. They weren’t in the past, with even first rounders sitting behind a vet for a season or two. That’s what a team needs to do for prolonged success.
1:18 they told me bust down my AP
This isn’t gonna change. No way no how. Getting a single player to fix everything is the fastest and cheapest way to fix a franchise and even if it only has a less then 5% chance of working teams aren’t gonna stop running that quarterback slot machine to see if they can make it big because the right way to do this is just way to slow and a coach will get fired before they can pull
It off the right way because it will piss fans off.
We saw all of this coming to a head, when Chicago drafted Justin Fields.
And they turned around, changed up the coaching staff, while building up a little of nothing around Fields to actually succeed. And now he's fighting the stigma of just not being good, when the fact is, Chicago made the process way harder than it should've been. 3 years of development time wasted and we get to witness a highly gifted passer learning how to go through progressions at this level and stage of his career.
Big problem too is not many colleges run a pro style offense
Tre Lance, RG3, Zach Wilson, Johnny Football, Bryce young, the list goes on...All qbs who could've been better had they been given time to develop.
Trey Lance almost never played lol He sat and never developed
@juanmikel7507 still sitting lol
Tbf RG3 was good he just got hurt and manziel was his own problem not that he needed to sit
on the Bryce highlights you can see his line is literally not blocking, 72 let the edge rusher straight in to block air..
The NFL could use a minor league system, similar to MLB. QBs who were not ready used to be able to develop in NFL Europe, but that no longer exists.
True story: Jake Delhomme called his father from Europe and told his father he was thinking of quitting because he couldn't even start in NFL Europe. The father asked who the starter was and Jake responded "Some guy named Kurt Warner." So, even an HOF NFL QB needed time to develop. He could play and develop in Europe.
0:10 what about the seahawks
Best defense of the century!
There’s a reason I liked the Falcons drafting Penix and it mostly has to do with what you brought up here. There are a few great qbs that came in and started out well in their rookie years, but that’s the Joe Burrows and the CJ Strouds, all of whom are exceptions, not the rule. The vast majority of qbs need some time to develop and if they can do it while sitting behind a solid veteran like Love did and how I suspect Penix will turn out, it’s all the better. Josh Allen struggled in his first year, but what if the Bills had brought in some veteran to show Josh the ropes while he sits for a year? Would Allen be even better than the top 5 qb he already is?
I guess we’ll see in a season or two when Kirk retires if this works out and if the league will start to follow suit.
Originally Allen was going to replace Tyrod Taylor after sitting a bit. Ultimately Taylor wanted out and Allen was thrust into the limelight
The problem people includiny myself have with penix isnt that they have kirk cousins, its that cousins WILL be being paid large numbers of money for at least 3 years and 3 years from now penix will be 27. It just feels like you could have waited a year drafted someone who would still sit for 2 years then start playing on a rookie contract for 3 years instead of the 2 penix would get and being 4 years younger
@@goldencloud7527It was our last opportunity realistically for a First round qb talent.
My guy getting me through the week. Keep it rolling!
This really is nothing new. It's just back then, rookie QBs were, for the most part, sat behind a vet for a year to absorb the offense and scheme so they weren't killed their first time out. Otherwise, most rookie QBs tend to otherwise fail. Been that way since the league was founded.
Urinating Tree, TubFrog, and FA are all I watch for football highlights. Good stuff.
not naming the LOB is crazy
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Seattle fans when there are other historical defenses that have existed
2007-8 giants
Out of all the teams that are defensive led Rus is BY FAR LEAPS AND BOUNDS the best QB ..and that offense was constantly nice ( Golden Tate , Jermaine Kearse, Percy Harvin , Jimmy Graham ) and RBs usually a great defensive team have a great RB( Walter Payton, Jamal Lewis , ) y’all had both
Russell Wilson was FAR better in 2012-2015 than Peyton Manning in 2015 or Trent Dilfer in his entire career.
I still can't believe the Broncos lost 43-8 to the Seahawks in 2013, or that they beat the Panthers 24-10 in 2015. I'd expect those years to be reversed since the 2013 Broncos were terrifying in every level of the game but the 2015 Broncos were so bad at offense.
I've been saying for YEARS that teams have to build their LINES FIRST for their skill players to have any shot at competing.
How many times have we seen a QB in the off-season slinging the ball around like the next coming of Pat Mahomes UNTIL he faces an NFL pass rush and then he's in deep waters? Mitigate the trenches and all else becomes infinitely more achievable.
I just want the Titans to win one superbowl within my lifetime 😢
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Thank you. A successful quarterback is an amalgamation of a lot of things: An offensive line that can protect him, receivers who run correct routes and are on the same page when it all breaks down, a running game that can take the pressure off and an offensive scheme that exposes the defense. If you can't provide any of these things then drafting a quarterback should be at the bottom of your list. Brock Purdy is a prime example of what a quarterback can do with decent talent and coaching around him. Need another example? How about sixth round draft pick Tom Brady? How about 17th round pick Bart Starr? Hell, Johnny Unitas walked off of a sand lot. The fact is you can draft a decent quarterback late in the draft as long as you have all the other pieces in place. As in most aspects of life, there are no shortcuts.
ESPN please put a microphone in this man’s hands
I try to think what the Vikings have done too. For the first time in a long time the Vikings organization truly is going in the right direction. I saw the Vikings video a few days ago but I do think it does ignore a lot of the good things about the team.
Appreciate the Video today, bro.
Takes my mind off of it.
Thanks, bub.
Big Ben, Luck, Dak, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud are just a rare breed that were truly what they call “NFL Ready”. The last 3 ruined it for all QBs coming in to the league for the foreseeable future. If these guys aren’t coming in and breaking records teams are quick to want to move on.
'Can't ignore the other 52' So True:
How'd those WR's look with Flacco? Routes were much cleaner and crisp! Timing was again a factor. Oline was more cohesive.
Young's rookie yr: The only highlights were from the games Dalton played and the offence looked like a unit, not a good unit but a unit.
-Some rookies need to sit, some don't, but either way running QB's get hurt and running QB's who can't throw are a waste of a pick!
We knew from the beginning that none of the QB's in the 2023 draft were going to be any good. We already know CJ was the exception. Teams are just accepting their mistakes and moving on earlier now.
You and nba youngboy showed me the best way to build up a fan base is consistency
Love the Paparazzi instrumental outro. Keep up the good work man.
I think there are some positions that translate well from college to pro….qb is not one of them…
Draft a QB like every other position... Russ and Dak in todays CRAZY market, they're 1st round picks.
As a chiefs fan I am counting out the the falcons because some guy in the comments said not too
Not very nice bro
"not to." Chiefs fans 😂
good teams win no matter who is at QB anyone else agree? Seahawks steelers, chiefs those teams
The other thing to keep in mind for the Colts is that they aren't going to the Super Bowl even if they do make the playoffs with Flacco. So the idea that Flacco gives them the best chance to win actually hurts the team because they'll just be stuck drafting middle of the board. Much weaker chance at getting an elite player to build with that way. I love Flacco, and AR does need benched after his tired comment, but in the Colts' situation I'd say losing with AR is better than winning a few more games with Flacco both from a development standpoint and a future building standpoint.
The Colts were fine with losing with AR but then he took himself out of the game.
Every single NFL insider who spoke to execs at other teams & retired NFL player said the same thing, the Colts had to bench AR for that.
Do you think Steichen can say that's why AR was benched? Not going to happen.
Don't listen to what teams say to the media. They rarely tell us what's really going on.
Honestly, I would just tell NFL teams to look at the top 10ish QBs and tell me how many started out the gate. Most of them played less than half the games in year one.
The players from the colts have already said they still have his back and a lot of them didn’t know he was gonna get benched and or found out later
While everything you said is true the problem is truly a connundrum ..it’s the fault of the salary cap ..people take young QBs high because having the most expensive position performing well is arguably the best bargain in sports …it doesn’t make sense to draft a QB high a potentially waste cheapest years and easiest years to build your team because of “development “ that’s too much caring about the individual player especially since they have slotted salaries it’s not as big of a L to simply reshuffle the deck with a new high draft prospect than it is to hold on and try …the only way I see what you saying happening is A) if they make QBs not be counted against the cap or B) they allow you to negotiate a rookies salary payment again..Great video tho bro
Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 71.2 with 3,739 yards, 26 touchdowns and 28 interceptions in 16 games in his rookie season in 1998.
Malik from ‘22 is great.
Hes just playing on a good team with great coaching, O Line and run game. Imagine how piss poor Jordan INT Love would look on a mediocre team. But....Packers would be far more dangerous starting Malik cuz they focus on the run game instead of thinking Love can win with 2-3 int's and 58% completions
More like the packers are great
@haydenfox3251 nope hes making vital plays
@@EzeBall1710 he went 4-5 no one cares
What NFL teams is doing is fine rn but impatient media and in some cases, awful owners (paging David Tepper) give up on QB’s too quickly.
Bryce Young, it’s obvious why he’s struggled. AR’s situation is unique because I don’t think he’d be getting so much stick if it wasn’t for Flacco fans. Mac Jones may be better than he actually is because of the multiple awful OC’s.
I know they’re people too, but can we fuckin cool it with the “food out of their months” comments? This guy has more money than most of us will ever see.
other positions sub in and out during a series... Other positions pull themselves all the time. QB is one of the only spots that don't have that option... That being said you cant say the quite parts out loud
Bears vs Commanders about to be the new Chiefs vs Bills for years to come
It already is kinda similar, caleb left what we thought was no time for jayden to go down the field and score but he somehow did, similar to mahomes leading a 13 second drive
Quite possibly. They do play each other next year as well.
@@edwardoutlawjr8154 obviously don’t know fs but with Washington’s schedule i could see them winning a top 3 seed. If Chicago can win some tough games to end the year they could get the 6 or 7th seed setting up a playoff matchup this year. I know it’s premature but i could fs see it happening
The Packers are literally the blueprint to create good QB’s idk how nfl teams haven’t caught on yet. Luckily some teams are finally starting to follow that same Packers plan of sitting a young QB for 1-3 years before throwing them out there
Very true. Even Favre sat in Atlanta his first year. Brady, Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, these guys all sat and look at what they've accomplished/become. The best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one.
Because most teams haven’t been lucky enough to land 3 straight franchises qbs that allows young rookies to sit behind elite qbs. Its rare actually
You need a quarterback on Favre and Rodgers level to do that...That's the only way it works, most teams need a win now quarterback
@@Ryan-gz9xg Jordan Love literally sat and that’s what made him “elite”. You don’t need a HOF QB everytime to still benefit a young QB bro. Just sign a veteran QB and let to young QB sit, it ain’t rocket science
@@JAVARRIS88 nope not true. Alex Smith isn’t a HOF and they made Mahomes sit. Teams need to just sign a solid veteran QB and keep the young QB on the bench for 1-3 years. Y’all are completely overthinking it. A vet QB has experience that they can teach young QB it doesn’t matter if it’s a HOF or just a solid vet, obviously it would be even better if they had a HOF QB
The idea that rookie QBs are going to save your team is far fetched at best and even thinking that a first round pick guarantees a team gets a franchise QB is pretty absurd. Unfortunately I think CJ Stroud has turned that conventional wisdom on it's head in a lot of people's minds (NFL front offices and fans alike) and has placed unrealistic expectations on the current batch of rookie QBs. That was unfortunately compounded by the perception that this year's draft had an unusual number of exceptional QBs.
In fact many are already arguing that this year's talent rivaled the fabled 1983 QB draft. But for every Dan Marino that is found there is also a Todd Blackledge. For every John Elway there is a Tony Eason. And it's wise to remember that Marino didn't become a full time starter until his second season despite the mess that Miami had at QB when he arrived. Likewise Elway didn't reach a Super Bowl until 86.
The sad thing for rookie QBs that have real talent is that often the teams that draft them desperately need them to be exceptional and often need them to be exceptional on a team without talent. In short highly drafted QBs are rarely given the luxury of learning on the job. In fact conventional wisdom takes against the idea of drafting a QB high when that position appears to be reasonably secure on your team, hence the backlash that Atlanta received for taking Pennix. Such thinking also has a lot to do with New England giving into the prospect of inserting Drake Maye as a starter behind what is described as one of the worst lines in the league in what is essentially a wasted season for the Patriots.
The truth is there simply aren't enough quality QBs to go around and the pressure to "win NOW" is pretty severe in today's NFL. Inserting QBs before they are ready on very bad teams ends up creating far too many Baker Mayfield's and Sam Darnalds where QBs are set up to fail before they even step on the field. Thankfully free agency gives those guys a second chance to find a better situation. It's just a shame that they have to endure that kind of nonsense to begin with.
I really think the 2004 class absolutely ruined expectations for rookie quarterbacks.
2004???
No it’s guys like daniels or stroud or herbert.
@@crimsonchin8916 you must not remember that class
@@crimsonchin8916 and teams have been trying this well before those guys
This is something I've been thinking about recently about the current state of the NFL. There is so much impatience in the league today. Everyone wants to "Win Now" and look to outliers like Matt Ryan & C.J. Stroud, how they came out and led their teams to the playoffs right away. But as you say, the Detroit Lions (& Buffalo Bills) are one of the first teams I've seen in a while in the NFL that built they way into a contender the old school way. A team that slowly climbs the ladder while seeing obvious improvement each year. (You still generally see this slow climb in the NBA, see teams like the Bucks & Nuggets, even the Warriors leading up to their dynasty.)
I've been thinking for a while that it feels like the league should start shifting back to the running game soon. The mantra the used to be said back in the day: "A young QBs best friend is a good running game."
Also, this vid pains me as a Saints fan, because it feels like all NFL fans can see this team needs a reset, except the one guy that matters...Mickey Loomis.
Flipping on fb analysis on a crisp Friday evening 🙏
hell yeah Kenny
Every team in the NFL needs to look at what we (detroit) has done for a rebuild. It took awhile, but we got it right...
There’s a lot of variables involved that not every team can replicate. Trading your elite level but aging QB for a load of first round picks that have all worked out and a down on his luck young qb with a chip on his shoulder (Goff). It’s probably one of the greatest sports trades of all time. Rams got an insta-Super Bowl and Detroit got to build the best offense in the NFL.
@overbeb agreed
Realistically, a rebuild like this should take a while. Too many franchises right now think getting the right QB or star player is enough to flip the team into a winner. Some franchises just need to learn slow cook their meal instead of microwaving it.
As a 20 year Colts fan I am so sick of hearing people say “well Flacco gives them the best chance to win” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 WIN WHAT?!?!?!?! 2 extra games just for the chance to MAYBE be the 7th seed and get dog walked wildcard weekend??? We’re nowhere close to contenders so what’s the point??? The goal is to win titles not participation trophies!!!
We need our QB of the future, who these idiots drafted 18 months ago KNOWING he was raw and needed reps, to develop and we need to build the team around him. The smart and big picture move is to let him play. If he sucks the whole year we get a high pick which we desperately need since our dumbass GM rarely makes any off-season moves. But since it’s becoming more and more obvious that he sucks at his job he knows his ass is on the line smfh this is ass covering 101 and that’s not how you build a champion 😒😒😒😒😒 what a shitshow
The dude took himself out because he was tired. He's never playing another snap of professional football
It’s like getting your first real job with a large corporation, not as a sales trainee but as the CEO day 1 and then asked to instantly make the company profitable. That’s a lot of weight to carry for a 21 yr old kid.
This is why I love being a packer fan because we know how to build a proper football team and not completely ruin the development of the QB position.
I wrote a paper about this years ago just as an exercise for a writing class.
Teams approach it as “build around a franchise QB”, but in reality that doesn’t work. QBs are not the foundation, they’re the keystone that you put in at the end to hold it all up. Keystones are worthless without the rest of the structure. They’re just stones.
If you look at the draft history of QBs in the last 20 years, there are very few top 3 picks at QB that pan out for the team that drafted them.
Stroud is looking to be an outlier in that category. As are Caleb and Daniels. Maybe teams have begun figuring it out because all those teams had a roster ready made for a QB to step into to some extent.
Bryce young not being able to see over the line and see the defense hurts his oline.
Qbs have to get rid of the ball.
This applies to lamar jackson too.
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You have to mention the ‘02 Buccs defense before the broncos ‘15 roster. The don’t call it broncos 2. Literal defensive scheme made famous by the most dominant coverage defense to ever exist.
This is exactly right. You can count on one hand the # of qbs who started right away as rookies who had a successful career, but every year we have guys proclaimed as "bust" cuz they were drafted high and started too soon.
Because CJ and daniels came in back 2 back years and purdy the year before, i dont think teams will want to sit their rookie qbs
Lack of QB development is simply a symptom of the real problem....no long term thinking in the NFL. Problem? Get someone new in there.... No immediate success, time for someone new. From GM all the way down.
I think partially why the CJ Stroud situation worked out so well, is because Houston didn’t pressure Stroud to be the “Franchise Savior”. He was started his first year to simply go out there and play ball. The lack of pressure to turn the franchise around instantly, ironically did just that.
Something I've always wondered is that every year, a team gets 1st over all pick because they have bad players, bad coaches and bad GMs and lost tons of games. However, someway, somehow we pretend that these bad teams are good at talent evaluation and can pick the right guy out of the box. Kind of counter-intuitive, if I may to say.
Let’s be honest qb play has been the same from the start of the 21st century and has arguably gotten better, in the 21st century the superbowl winners have been comprised mostly of Brady, Manning, Big Ben and mahomes… the outliers obviously Kurt Warner, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning
How is Eli an outlier when he has as many rings as Big Ben and his brother?
@ Big Ben has Been to more superbowl than Eli
@ but you have a point
You have a league where running backs are quarterbacks. The emphasis in college these days is on mobility and running rather than passing skills. That is a problem. Also the idea of getting 17 game checks for players whereas the paradigm should shift to a weekly or bi-weekly pay system. I think there should be 2 week breaks here and there when games aren’t played but I think guys thrive on routine and the NFL needs to be a year-round job. ALL offseason workouts and coaching sessions should be mandatory barring injury. The product is lousy because there are fewer practices; the union cut down teams abilities to have more practice. The NFL should establish a quarterback school where young signal callers can get mentorship, cross pollenization of ideas and techniques.
IF the NFL establishes a quarterback school where young signal callers can get mentorship, cross pollenization of ideas and techniques, IT should be COMPLETLY independent of any NFL orginizations (COMPLETELY OWNED AND OPERATED).
I know that Bryce is always and in all ways positive along with genuinely being a good guy but, I would really love to see him stop saying super super fortunate, super super blessed, super super grateful etc etc. It'd be crazy to see him pull some conduct detrimental to the team and call out the organization for putting him in a spot of complete fuckery. It might give him an edge
The panthers are so far from being a functioning franchise that by the time Bryce would be figuring it out, they would have to pay him $50+ million a year and wouldn’t be able to maintain anything they did build around him because of cap space.
I believe this. I feel the NFL and also people are way too impatient in having QBS develop in the slightest. Everyone is too hasty on wanting Mahomes or Stroud next tbh when they are so rare.
Stop going for the rare gems!
Start building around the position! Offensive line, receivers, a running game and defense is all important before getting a QB!
The NFL should go back to a more patient approach with quarterbacks but after what I just saw with Drake Maye, the media and fans that would not shut up about getting him on the field even though they're going nowhere this season and everybody knows it. I can't see them going back to giving these guys time..
Out of all the rookies Penix is the only one to not start a game. I think it’s the media and FO not being committed and short term.
No point in sitting him Maye right now, us going nowhere gives us the perfect reason to start him, we already have nothing to lose, he’s only going to develop quicker this way and it’s clearly working, he’s looked great in the 2.5 games he’s played
@@Kyle-bi7df point is, who's to say he couldn't play just as well if not better if his first start was September 2025..
So sick of all these guys glazing Richardson, dude is straight up ass, cut your losses and move on ffs.
Another thing that is immensely key that NFL teams absolutely need to start doing is testing out a coach before they give him the Quarterback, and especially not settling on a guy who had already wasted the talents of their QB when drafting a new QB. A good coaching scheme is worth way more than QB talent. Let's face it, if we revisited the 2017 NFL draft, Patrick Mahomes goes #1 overall and would be *nowhere* close to the player he has been. The Browns were absolutely awful that season. Receiving core was basically waiting out Josh Gordon being suspended and they had no run game. Instead he was coached by Andy Reid who has to outright be the greatest active coach in the League.
Another QB who went from Mr. Irrelevant to an undeserved MVP candidate is Brock Purdy, who came under the tutelage of Kyle Shanahan's offense that had shown some success with many different QBs, considering they could win games after the injury to Jimmy G. CJ Beathard, Nick Mullens are two QBs who got a win in Shanahan's offense. And we know Mullens couldn't get a win as a member of the Vikings with their receiving core as strong as it is. Purdy would have been a Practice Squad QB anywhere else tbqh, but he landed in the right system that was built long before he fit into it.
Meanwhile, let's take a look at one case of a QB that looked at one point ready to meet his college potential and now is being paid way more than he's worth. What happened to Trevor Lawrence? He was set up to fail. Urban Meyer we learned was an absolutely awful person when he was on the losing side of things, and frankly I said before that acquisition that the Jaguars had 99 problems but a QB wasn't one, and so they got a QB to replace Gardner Minshew, who was frankly THE bright spot on that Jaguars team. They continued to fail, and replaced the head coach. Then we basically looked at a Bortles part 2 where one great season came out of nowhere and then it's been a flop since.
Coaching matters.
Theres a combination of a lot of things going on. First is that I don't think the college game nor the NFL game is actually interested in developing guys as much as they are interested in creating a scheme that allows them to win now. This makes it even harder now to project who will make it in the NFL leading teams to just try and look for prospects that have rawer skills and they can develop them into star QBs. Allen is the quintessential example of this, but Mahomes, Lamar, and Goff are all examples of this as well.
ALso rookie QBs are just paid sooo much less than they were prior to Sam Bradford. I think this leads to teams reaching on QBs at higher picks than they otherwise would have during the earlier years. Because rookie QBs are cheaper, draft busts aren't as significant as they once were and if the guy doesn't work out, they'll get rid of them.
2013 Seahawks defense>
Yeah. But the offense was still top 10. Especially in the run game.
Yeah, the 3 defenses he said were legendary because they had the burden of carrying terrible offenses to a Super Bowl victory.
@@SmileyBoi21the LOB was better than the no fly zone.
@@bellman4336 that doesnt disprove what he said though. lob had a good offense, the other 3 carried stinkers to a chip
@@bellman4336 That's a debatable topic but I'm referring to the No Fly Zone like the 2000 Ravens and 85 Bears being one of the great defenses to carry a garbage offense to win a Super Bowl. The Seahawks had a capable offense so that's why they didn't mention them in the video.
Draft a running QB they say
First thing they do is tell the QB to run less and pass more, then wonder why they aren’t as successful as they were in college.
Rushing QB’s have to also have a great arm. (Lamar, Vick, etc.)
I think the development difference between O-line and D-line contributes to the QB problem. Because the O-line is not as sexy, and tends to make less money at every talent level, there is more talent on defense, because talent chases money. That means QBs need to be more mobile to remain effective behind their less talented lines. Both the QBs and lines need more coaching, and need to learn to work together as a team. If the Colts don't play like today matters, they might as well tell their veterans to make career decisions for the rest of the year. I still think that Zach Wilson's problem was mostly a Jets problem, and the fact that they are worse with Rodgers is my evidence.
I never thought an owner had so much influence. Washington proved that it's a huge factor. My minds changed.
Carolina needs to get that ignorant owner to sell and get back on track.
-Never will understand Bryce over Stroud, it was seeing 'want' over 'reality'. Same with AR.
-Take "I believe" + "tons of potential/intangibles" + "Oh the Excitement!" OVER "I observed and measured" + "realistic NFL expectation" + "pragmatism" and most will take Reggie Bush over Mario Williams again just like the fools before.
-I was truly wrong about one player and that was Lamar and AR is/was no LJ. Why so few games at QB in his life? Running QB's get hurt! If they can't throw and can't stay healthy they don't succeed in NFL and I'm sick of seeing BU's!
-Change is constant in the NFL, but other than rule changes, those changes are all recycled! Cyclical like you said.
Hard to go from college to NFL for quarterbacks but would like to see offensive linemen. Get better because that's the best thing you could do to help quarterback development is good o line.
Qb and o line. Gotta keep tj watt away from your qb.
I believe before you put a rookie QB you bet your behind an OL is going to be 1st part the 2nd part is weapons WRs, tight end, running back, NOW with this RECIPE YOUR ROOKIE QB WILL Play with confidence and have a chance to grow in to a great QB. What do you think my bro
Rbs arent a priority because
O line:can make almost any rb good. Also can protect said qb from top edge rushers
Skipping over 2012 hawks defense is wild