Ignoring a "KEEP OFF THE GRASS" sign, can have dire consequences in the UK. This persistent offender was found guilty and sentenced to three months holiday in Bognor Regis.
This country has gone PC crazy.. I feel embarrassed to live here sometimes :( That little episode probably cost £10k to arrest what obviously isn't an armed terrorist just because some fucking idiot citizen had a mobile phone in their pocket... I despair :( :(
***** Except when you look at it from another perspective - EG, the amount of people living in each country - the UK is on par with deaths via firearms in the US.
I have nearly been in the same situation as this guy, but was cleaning my rifle at a friends home together with him. When I went out to drive home I was "beaten up" by a 35 men squad of german police. Took me plenty of time to explain and to show my gun liscense before they went home.I hate neighbours kalling the police then you are at home handling your guns. They all panic because of school shootings and stuff. No normal treatment for legal gun owners. They treat us like criminals ! Damn !
I KNOW HOW HE FEELS , IT HAPPENED TO US!!, THEY WANTED ME TO LIE DOWN IN THE MUD, SOME CHANCE! I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THOUGHT I WAS DOING SITTING IN A HIDE WITH A PIGEON MAGNET OUT IN FRONT OF ME, THEY DID'NT HAVE A CLUE!!, ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS SO FAT AND OUT OF BREATH HE COULD'NT HAVE HIT A TARGET IF HE HAD TRIED.
@HighlandAirGun I agree, to an extent. Yes the police have to respond to a call regarding a firearm, but do they have to turn up with helicopters and submachine guns? I don't think so. I've had first hand experience of this, when a member of the public phoned the police while I was wildfowling on the foreshore; no armed response unit for me, just two police officers who empathised with me completely and said it wasn't the first time they'd had this. The above video is a gross overreaction.
@EnglanderUK Once a country decide to take a turn for a worse it rarely gets better. The black market answers to demand, meaning there is a will to have guns, people don't want change.
You arent the only ones, lucky for Americans though firearms are a huge market so the govt has big trouble restricting sales of weapons and accesories. Plus we have the NRA who get in the way of antigun laws, not always but at least sometimes. Pellet guns are easy because real guns are easy, you can order a high powered bb gun or a bow/xbow with no paperwork or anything like that. Still, they will never stop trying to disarm the people so that they can push them around.;
whoever made this should, read the guidance to Police officers published by the BASC I certainly would not be dumping a expensive shotgun in the mud, no common sense at all. Get educated there are 750,000 firearm and shotgun certificate holders out there and the Police make us go and use them or else we have no reason to possess them.
This is why I won't even shoot my Crosman 2240 pistol in my garden even though it is legal, it only takes one idiot to call the bizzies and say "there's someone shooting a gun in the garden" next thing your on a slab in the morgue. He would probably be dead if someone wasn't filming it. What was up with the sound, I couldn't hear anything?
With current proposed reductions in the Army, perhaps, in an emergency, we could call on the armed response police teams to help out in Afghanistan. They could have some real action, and justify their existence, rather than holding innocent people at gun point, in what is clearly a ridiculous situation.
@Pumanic You are missing the point, this ain't rifles or shotguns (which they also have in great numbers) and hunting, the point I am making is that since pistols were outlawed there has been an explosion of gun crime in our cities because the guns are easier to get now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen sources where it says crime rates are worse in the UK than it is in the US. Gun laws really don't protect people as much as you think, which is why I hope the US doesn't tighten its gun laws any further.
What a pile of CRAP!!! people have been shot in this country ( England ) for carrying a chair leg..or a cigarette lighter..or just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.......I should know...I LIVE HERE!!!
Remember people, if someone breaks into your house, you can't defend yourself! But Pumanic, the person who hates people owning guns but has guns herself, can.
Even worse, co2 guns are extremely sensitive, people who own the SMK xs/qb range for example, run the runs at 10.5 - 11 ft-lbs, and like you said, the police would test them in abnormally warm conditions which would make them go over the limit very easily. They also test with a light weight pellet, a medium and a heavy FAC rated pellet that you WON'T even use for a sub 12. My unmodded break barrel would break 12ftlbs with a FAC heavy, and they wonder why people have no respect for them.
On your next visit, if you have the freedom and time, try to steer clear of the big cities. That is where the crime and gangs are. The Ozarks in Arkansas, now that is some pretty scenery (about an hour from me). Crime just doesn't seem to be able to get a foothold in the deep south. We farm, go camping, live off the land and everyone knows everyone. Almost everyone hunts and owns guns (respectfully and safely). We welcome visitors here, unlike the way they portray southerners in the movies...lol
Before people make comments about this video, ie. public land etc. it is in the titles that it IS a demonstration i.e. a setup just for info purposes. I have been shooting many, many years and never been so much as spoken to on my shoots. At home is another matter. One neighbour sees an air gun and all hell breaks loose. Ignorance is bliss I suppose as the bobbies hadn't got a clue. One GMP WPC thought my guns would be safer locked in my car!! Go figure!
i remember going shooting with my dad at some cans and people would walk by and smile. now if i was to go down with my son i risk going to prison because people dont know anything about them.
no to mention when they test your gun they take them into a very very warm room which can actually increase the ft-lbs so even some pcp's you get which say they are under 12 can be over 12 and you get jailed and it not even being your own fault
also desease and emmense ammounts of damage are done to crop and land by certain animals if it wernt for these culls we would have very serious problems
just for small minded people while it is legal to own a sub 12ft airgun it is NOT legal to have it in public how does anyone know what fire arm this guy has untill you can clearly see or are told what it is,
If DPM is that good how did the flaming Feds see him, sod that I want a gillie suit, do it properly say I bugger hiding from pigeons go ninja on their arse!!!
UK limit should be raise to the minimum the US use i,e 33 ft/lb on private land with written agreement. 99.999% of us air gunners / hunters are good country code guys we lock styles after us, we don't go waving firearms around. 99.999% of us sit of private land shooting FT targets or pests ask requested by farmers, we spend thousands of pounds on the very best kit and we act responsibly. Organic farmers have no choice! you try putting out 500 rabbit traps ever night!
You thing that this is bad if the cop are called for a air gun hunter in the out skirts of glasgow (scot) you will not have the gun on you for long you will be tackied to the ground till the gun is proven safe and put out off view of all watching.You will have to go to a lawyer to got it back if thay say it it legal.If my bro and i go out for a hunt we go fishing to and go up the cost to a lock we have a bout and go to the shore that access to cars and hunt just so we can have a good day or two.
@EnglanderUK There are MANY things that's against the law, that does not mean we have more of them, neither have you. Or are you saying that people go thinking "Oh this is against the law, so totally have to do it"? If that's your point, you don't understand basic psychology. Criminality have increased world wide, of course there are more gun crimes committed, it's like 2+2, everybody knows the answer is 4.
@EnglanderUK How many times have anyone taken a bulldozer, killed people, and taken down the town it happened in? I can recall maybe one happening like that, and not one person was killed when it went down....now....how many times have someone grabbed a firearm and randomly killed people? Not only criminals, just 'ordinary people'? The reason for firearms to be more dangerous is; anyone can get hold of them, and it's easy for people to be temped to use them. Pick it up and use it.
first mistake , cop number 82 ( firearms cop) lets go of his weapon to search suspect,all his Armour and sidearm plus heckler n cosh will just hinder him if a fight/struggle breaks out , gun could accidentally discharge in a scuffle.should have been a separate cop do the searching, i know there was a dog there but he wouldnt have let it go if they were both fighting on the ground or he produced another firearm .
opps police monitered video the guy is only trying to supliment his food cupboard with an air rifle well lucky they were there with black helicopter and real altermatic guns tazers hand guns i feel a lot safer knowing we have a over the top police state and new world order not!! keep up the good work boys
A sad day for mankind. I could not be part of this swat team. Take down of a Pigeon shooter.......Gaawwwd. How humiliating. A very paranoid public. Is that a helicopter dispatched ?.........jeez louise. I'd get the hell out of that country. Leave it to the sissy's
Unreal, what a waste of tax payers money and lack of common sense by police. I too have had this happen to me, with two squad cars, a dog handler and helicopter. Although they didn't feel the need to send armed police on my occasion.
Signs lol, just practice bein invisible, take paths no1 will see you to make complaints. Make sure you know whare your pellet/bullet is goin through if any. And youl be fine. Land permission is priority.
@EnglanderUK Then that is the choice of the population, a percent of it, and you need better laws and more controls, just like I said. More criminals, more guns, more crimes.
@EnglanderUK So you have no hunters? Here only hunters can have guns, and the cops, and that's it. Guns need to be locked up at all times except for the hunt, and it works just fine.
@EnglanderUK Only people with reasons to have guns should have them, strict gun laws keep us safer. Here people don't gunpoint you in your home, if you want that, vote for the same laws.
@EnglanderUK Now, don't loose your grammatic just because you're loosing an argument. Here in sweden you can have firearms if you have a bunch of licenses from the cops, and only then.
@EnglanderUK *rolleyes* I'm against YOUR argument, not hunting weapons. And I follow the law, no more, no less. I'm against guns on the street, not licensed ones. Get the difference.
@EnglanderUK Besides, wife and kids? I'm -female-, Mr, Smartass xD But yeah, if I EVER have wife and kids, I could defend them without breaking the law, because I have common sense ;)
@EnglanderUK Yes, I can, because lethal threats in the home (sweden) are legal to defend against with the same amount of aggression, I could use my firearm that I have license for.
@EnglanderUK But I guess you rather have any kid run around with guns....after all, they should be legal, so 'crazy gunmen' and what not should be legal too, then? ^__^
@EnglanderUK Oh really? So you're saying that tested people with license for -hunting weapons- is the same as some loony buying a "legal" gun of the street? Argument failed.
America is an amazing place, spent a week in Washington DC in '94 and the food you guys eat!, amazing, the Outback resteraunt , Plant Hollywood's 'Snicker Crunch Pie'! Awesome!. If I went back though I'd need to be well armed as I wouldnae want to end up like those 2 brit lads machine gunned to death by a black kid. I took some friends from Orlando round the Scottish Highlands last week, real nice laid back folk southern americans.
@EnglanderUK I never said what area the laws would restrict, I meant the treatment of guns and to stop them from entering the black market in the current scale.
Good? Maybe you like being told what to do, but I, on the other hand, would like to keep my freedom. The easiest way to lose it is to give up your weapons and encourage that others do as well. You might want to go to you neighbor's (that is a gun owner) house one day and thank him/her for still standing up for your ignorant ass. Maybe thank a Veteran some time, and ask them how they feel about gun control. They've probably seen first hand what it can do. Think about what you're giving up.
On another note, I know how many people who have loads of trouble just to even be able to go & hunt, despite zero criminal record & having full licence for all firearms they need or own, you need various permissions etc. & often the cops will just say 'no sorry your gun is too powerful for land that size' so they dont get the go ahead ... but the gun is only slightly more powerful than the other rifles & in any other country that rifle is absolutely fine even in much smaller land ... total BS
I respect your opinion but it's too strict though, you cant own a handgun at all unless it has a ridiculously long barrel, the only time you can own one is if you are a deer hunter &need one to humanely kill the animal if you didnt kill it with the rifle, or to use in a club where it can only be kept in the club you cant take it home - all the while a cop can run around with a sub machine gun to 'control the population',or a yob with an illegal ak47, why cant we have handguns at home 4 defence?
if your permission has public access, such as golf course or sports ground, or other such sensitive areas around, always phone 101 & advise the police where you're shooting + times & dates, just as you would the landowner. would save this sort of hassel ... better a call from the police to check it's you shooting there, than laying face down on the ground with guns pointing at you ... will save the tax payer money too
Greetings from germany the most stupid land, here we're not allowed to have anything for protection, even pepperspray is only allowed against bear and big animals, so if u use it against guy with knife then u r a criminal and gets realy punished, we had 3 teens here that pulled older man out of his flat and kicks him to death in the hallway, he died in arms of his wife...our court found that the killed man was guilty and let this kids free oO I saw them last week along the street to my Gym..
I am an airgun shooter and you have some valid points and some stupid ones too. He is breaking the law end of! how do the police know if the "air rifle" is 12flb or 32flb??. I am guessing you do not know much about uk airgun law so i will explain that 12flb is legal to own without a fire arms certificate but a 32flb air rifle requires a fire arms certificate. NEITHER can be carried loaded in a public place in the uk.
Well the reason you have the right to bear arms is to defend your freedom against a tyrannical government, sadly I was too young when we sold our souls and gave our guns up. We have to show good reason for needing firearms and defending your home and family isn't one of them. David Cameron can have two armed police with fully auto mp5's outside his house though, funny that. Check out arm Britain dot com if you want to see how true Brits feel, or britain needs guns dot com.
Thank you for your expert psycho-analysis of a man you saw in a video being searched by the police with terrible audio. However, I have to add that this is just a video with terrible audio and from this we know nothing about the man except he was using a rifle and searched by the police. We cannot conclude from this that he was out there causing mayhem shooting every animal. Your comment is irrational and the equivalent of saying "Everyone who drives loves doing it and speeds everywhere."
Wow, these cops must be scared shitless of guns. Thats a lot of firepower and armor for one guy and a bb guns. They would shit their pants if they had to work in the US. In North Carolina it is legal to have a loaded pistol in your car as long as it is in plain sight. Yes, you can drive around with a LOADED pistol or rifle on your front seat. You hunters in the UK have my sympathys.
the whole concept of armed police in this country is a waste of money, it seems most of the forces that have armed units, rarely if ever(in some cases simple never) actually use their guns, they rarely ever are called out to incidents where the suspect has actually got a gun(a firearm etc). all the training and cost is a total waste of time and money. and the actual rates of gun crime in this country have never been very high so unnecessarly oppressive gun control laws are really wrong.
Not a pleasant experience being arrested by OTT Police for any offence. But the guy knew what he was doing and was lucky if he did not end up with massive fine. For most part UK gun Law as it stands works really well. Rules are clear. But my missus found an AK-47 with clip and live rounds in on a grassy area on estate in Lambeth S.London. It took Police 45mins to come and retrieve it!! And here we have a helicopter, dogs and APOs for a guy and his air-rifle.
In a public park in full cammo gear and armed ? He's not some little kid either and clearly old enough to know better. If I'd been there with my kids I'd perceive him as a risk since no half sensible or sane person is going to get dressed in full cammo and take a gun to the park are they (except Michael Ryan of Hungerford types of course) ? I'm sure my Doberman could have given him some advice.
@magnusalexa Iam sorry your 'Pal' Killed a girl this sad story. In away it speaks volumes, It wasn't the gun that killed her it was the drugged crazed fool the took her life+the idiot who loaded the gun, It would never happen to me nor any one I know who target or rough shoot. So we are to ban forever sport because of someone out of his head on weed kills. People get killed Motorcyle/motor racing + spectators, Horse Riding, Boxing , Rugby the list is quite endless in the pursuit of sport.
@magnusalexa In my statement did i say anything about taking an animals life NO! I have never killed an animal, I have no hangup about other doing so as long as its 'For the Pot', or for culling. I enjoy FieldTarget shooting and Shooting Clays. Would you stop field Archery ? As for the accident they do happen, the police have made many mistakes ending a life. Shooting someone in the face is not an accident its and act of stupidity. if you walk with a loaded gun do so with breech open
all this talk about ringing the police to let them know your shooting is utter bollocks!,they would be inundated with calls and be unable to to monitor all of them as well as do the job there supposed to be doing!.and they STILL have to respond to a gun callout regardless if they no some one is shooting there,they cant take that risk.it is easier to educate people that someone cammo"d up in a bush is more than likely lawfully shooting and not robbing banks,its the sign of the times
The law doesnt make it hard @shaun160668 it clearly states where you can use an air rifle i.e priavte land with permission of the owner of said land idealy in writing ,a wiser point is to inform your local police before you go to shoot who you are where your shoting you have permission and the problem is solved ,this guy is obviously chancing his luck in a public area ,you also need to be 15 meter from a public highway and the pellt cannot leave the land you have permission to shoot on
I am very in to bushcraft, shooting and fishing and the British laws constantly make my hobbies difficult or illegal. I am sick of our government, violent crime in this country is a big problem but it is dealt with all wrong, of I was a criminal I would carry a knife etc regardless of the law but as a good citizen I am constantly offended by the laws used by our government. A knife or gun is not dangerous In my hands or the hands of many others. I find this mostly a problem with my machete that
you should read the highways act as it states that as long as you are within your rights to be there and not breaking the law in any way that the police have no right to interfere with your rights to shoot and if they do then it is they that are breaking the law and not you and they are commiting civil tresspass if the refuse too leave when asked, they can be prosecuted for aggrivated tresspass if things get heated and they can be prosecuted for armed tresspass if they are armed in any way. LAW
As for the comments of terrorism etc it was in the 60's,70's and 80's that terrorism was at it's highest. The vast majority of you have never seen terrorism face to face but our police force have and soldiers have. Times change.. It sucks but it happens.. The fact is this man was using (brandishing) a firearm in public.. I was questioned not long back after saying good morning to a walker with my rifle in it's drag bag I moved into my position. An hour later 4 ARO arrive with two mp5 and sig
when I was a lad you could go down to the post office with ten bob and buy a licence for a shot gun, we would shoot clays all afternoon, no one moaned or called the police, they turned up on the odd occasion to have a go. I remember accidentally going on private land they turned up without guns, and chatted about our mistake we apologised and they left. Whats has happen to our once beautiful country ? well I know who I will vote for in the next election anyone who is for our field sports
It takes 30 seconds to phone the police control center in the uk to get an incident number and let them know where and when you'll be shooting! I do this every time I go out especially lamping then if there is a report they know who it is!! Simples!! That fella may have been shooting on land he shouldn't have been on and quite rightly should have been busted if so! I would guess most negative commenters on here don't even shoot or hunt!!
@petercar96 but he's not in the countryside. He's in a public field in a public place. The Police aren't 'ill educated' the police react the way the law expects them to. What would have happened had they not reacted and a kid/passer by was shot? We've had some bloody idiots go off with guns over the past few years. Personally, I'd rather they took every precaution in the first instance rather than risk things going badly wrong.
why pay taxes for this kind of nimbyism? an ill-informed urban majority who contribute little to the life or economy of our countryside seek to sterilise it so that they can wander about it on occasional dry weekends. why dont they just p!55 off to the park and leave rural places to rural people? oppressing a minority who adhere to the culture they have sold/lost generations ago. spleen vented!
ill educated police in this country,people shoot in the countryside,if you want to go a rampage you go to a town. Re letting the police know beforehand does not work,they still have to investigate,heard of one chap getting stop searched after he had finished shooting. Result another tick in the performance indicator boxes. The BASC has a very good online guide for Police officers as to what time of the day and locations they are likely to encounter wildfowlers and other legal shooters
what a joke..but i do wonder did he get permission from the land owner or was that a public site? either way...boy if it was me in his place they would have shot first and asked later :) ..you would have to see me to believe me i'm a brown skin Muslim with a beard just love rabbit hunting with my air rifle :)
apparrently it costs £100 per minute to keep police choppers flying ... this government makes me sick choppers are only used in other countries when serious crime is committed, here they are following kids on motorbikes who are having fun rides in open land, we should all refuse to pay tax until they sort themselves out .. .whose with me ?
Some of the comments on hear left be people are not doing us any favours. The title should be 'Police training exercise in response to a report of someone illegally poaching on private land' other wise it leave the members of the public with the impression that pigeon shooting is illegal which it is most certainly not.
Well I'm glad they stopped him from killing those birds. However with all those policeman around, and the helicopter...well it's all a bit too much to take. Only one officer was needed and at that he should have issued a warning and let the man be on his way. It was scary watching that young gestapel like officer frisking him as if he was some kind of terrorist.
This is such a poor training video... no sound of what the officer is saying, it shows the shooter to be aggrivated, it does not show what happens next.. This seems to be more of a threatening exercise as its also shot in a public place?? i just dont get it?? poorly executed training video.. very very poor indeed
Its a damn shame to see this happen in your country. Best you folks can do is keep at your politcians, vote them out if they don't protect your freedoms. Like politians every where they are more worried about getting rid of threats to their power (armed citizens) than dealing with the actual threats to their countrys. We are seeing that in this country now (USA).
I have a marauder pcp pistol. I can put it all in my backpack and go to some park where I hide in them bushes. I take the pistol out and starts shooting them pigeons. When I am done I put it all back in my backpack and I go off. I try not to stay too long at one place and not to attrack attention. It is a full proof method me thinks!
You can hear what's said only just.the police must come to investigate and in the vid you clearly hear the bobby saying "weve had a call reporting a man with a fire arm.were just going to check you out and if you have reason to be hear it's ok" there is no shouting or unreasonable behaviour ..the bobbys did a good job I say...and yes I do own guns...
It is the people who have total disragard for law's (Driveing without proper docmetation,Robbing,Offessive wepons in public) who get away with everything while the law abideing ones have to pay with there cival liberties & higher premiums while the one's commiting crime are laughing in the face of the Law.Crime Does Pay its just my conciense which stops me.
@magnusalexa An Air gun should only be cocked or loaded when on target and not before. If you obey the rules all weapons are safe. You can't make a rule for stupidity. Any who make an error of judgement which end in a person being injured should be banned for life from owning any form of gun or weapon I think this would be fair, this would also apply to the police...
For heavens sake! I can go shoot guns any time I please and frequently do. Hearing gunfire on the surrounding farms is not at all unusual here. I'm sorry you don't have something like our 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. I will never, ever give up my guns to anyone for any reason and there are many millions here who would do and say the same! Good luck!
they just have a call saying there's someone with a gun not what type of gun i.e. air or bullet so they have to take the call as if it was a bullet gun. take it from someone who's experienced this first hand as i had armed police seal my street off because someone had seen me with a air gun and iv only myself to blame
It wasn't being compared by population, because then obviously America would win in crime number. I just look up "UK and USA crime rate comparison" and everything states that it has a worse rate of crime per 100,000 people than the United States. At least that's what it says about violent crimes.
Ignoring a "KEEP OFF THE GRASS" sign, can have dire consequences in the UK. This persistent offender was found guilty and sentenced to three months holiday in Bognor Regis.
What has this country came to .... so depressing
This country has gone PC crazy.. I feel embarrassed to live here sometimes :(
That little episode probably cost £10k to arrest what obviously isn't an armed terrorist just because some fucking idiot citizen had a mobile phone in their pocket... I despair :( :(
***** Except when you look at it from another perspective - EG, the amount of people living in each country - the UK is on par with deaths via firearms in the US.
I have nearly been in the same situation as this guy, but was cleaning my rifle at a friends home together with him. When I went out to drive home I was "beaten up" by a 35 men squad of german police. Took me plenty of time to explain and to show my gun liscense before they went home.I hate neighbours kalling the police then you are at home handling your guns. They all panic because of school shootings and stuff. No normal treatment for legal gun owners. They treat us like criminals ! Damn !
It sounds like a police exercise. They use the word "endex" meaning end of exercise. It we use in the British army
I KNOW HOW HE FEELS , IT HAPPENED TO US!!, THEY WANTED ME TO LIE DOWN IN THE MUD, SOME CHANCE! I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THOUGHT I WAS DOING SITTING IN A HIDE WITH A PIGEON MAGNET OUT IN FRONT OF ME, THEY DID'NT HAVE A CLUE!!, ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS SO FAT AND OUT OF BREATH HE COULD'NT HAVE HIT A TARGET IF HE HAD TRIED.
Now that's a memory from the past!, Kays catalog selling Air-rifles! I used to drool over them as a kid :D
@HighlandAirGun I agree, to an extent. Yes the police have to respond to a call regarding a firearm, but do they have to turn up with helicopters and submachine guns? I don't think so. I've had first hand experience of this, when a member of the public phoned the police while I was wildfowling on the foreshore; no armed response unit for me, just two police officers who empathised with me completely and said it wasn't the first time they'd had this. The above video is a gross overreaction.
@EnglanderUK
Once a country decide to take a turn for a worse it rarely gets better. The black market answers to demand, meaning there is a will to have guns, people don't want change.
You arent the only ones, lucky for Americans though firearms are a huge market so the govt has big trouble restricting sales of weapons and accesories. Plus we have the NRA who get in the way of antigun laws, not always but at least sometimes. Pellet guns are easy because real guns are easy, you can order a high powered bb gun or a bow/xbow with no paperwork or anything like that. Still, they will never stop trying to disarm the people so that they can push them around.;
whoever made this should, read the guidance to Police officers published by the BASC I certainly would not be dumping a expensive shotgun in the mud, no common sense at all. Get educated there are 750,000 firearm and shotgun certificate holders out there and the Police make us go and use them or else we have no reason to possess them.
This is why I won't even shoot my Crosman 2240 pistol in my garden even though it is legal, it only takes one idiot to call the bizzies and say "there's someone shooting a gun in the garden" next thing your on a slab in the morgue.
He would probably be dead if someone wasn't filming it. What was up with the sound, I couldn't hear anything?
With current proposed reductions in the Army, perhaps, in an emergency, we could call on the armed response police teams to help out in Afghanistan. They could have some real action, and justify their existence, rather than holding innocent people at gun point, in what is clearly a ridiculous situation.
@Pumanic You are missing the point, this ain't rifles or shotguns (which they also have in great numbers) and hunting, the point I am making is that since pistols were outlawed there has been an explosion of gun crime in our cities because the guns are easier to get now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen sources where it says crime rates are worse in the UK than it is in the US. Gun laws really don't protect people as much as you think, which is why I hope the US doesn't tighten its gun laws any further.
What a pile of CRAP!!!
people have been shot in this country ( England )
for carrying a chair leg..or a cigarette lighter..or just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.......I should know...I LIVE HERE!!!
This is a terrible way to respond to someone enjoying a hobby.
They wouldnt do this if someone was playing football in a field and i got annoyed!
@Pumanic No, because tighter laws never stop the criminals but make ordinary licensed gun owners lose even more of their rights.
yep, and the gov't forced EBAY to stop knife sales to the UK. They can't stop online shops tho,
Remember people, if someone breaks into your house, you can't defend yourself! But Pumanic, the person who hates people owning guns but has guns herself, can.
Even worse, co2 guns are extremely sensitive, people who own the SMK xs/qb range for example, run the runs at 10.5 - 11 ft-lbs, and like you said, the police would test them in abnormally warm conditions which would make them go over the limit very easily.
They also test with a light weight pellet, a medium and a heavy FAC rated pellet that you WON'T even use for a sub 12. My unmodded break barrel would break 12ftlbs with a FAC heavy, and they wonder why people have no respect for them.
On your next visit, if you have the freedom and time, try to steer clear of the big cities. That is where the crime and gangs are. The Ozarks in Arkansas, now that is some pretty scenery (about an hour from me). Crime just doesn't seem to be able to get a foothold in the deep south. We farm, go camping, live off the land and everyone knows everyone. Almost everyone hunts and owns guns (respectfully and safely). We welcome visitors here, unlike the way they portray southerners in the movies...lol
@Pumanic I don't need more laws restricting even more of my liberty thanks.
Before people make comments about this video, ie. public land etc. it is in the titles that it IS a demonstration i.e. a setup just for info purposes. I have been shooting many, many years and never been so much as spoken to on my shoots. At home is another matter. One neighbour sees an air gun and all hell breaks loose. Ignorance is bliss I suppose as the bobbies hadn't got a clue. One GMP WPC thought my guns would be safer locked in my car!! Go figure!
I would hide it personally and come back for it another time
Whoa, quite a criminal you caught there. Good job boys. Here, take a sugar cube...
Cant hear fuck all...
i remember going shooting with my dad at some cans and people would walk by and smile. now if i was to go down with my son i risk going to prison because people dont know anything about them.
no to mention when they test your gun they take them into a very very warm room which can actually increase the ft-lbs so even some pcp's you get which say they are under 12 can be over 12 and you get jailed and it not even being your own fault
Good job he didnt have wires sticking out of his pocket
Absolutely ridiculous, the police should be embarrassed at themselves. Waste of time and money. They've been watching too many American movies.
also desease and emmense ammounts of damage are done to crop and land by certain animals if it wernt for these culls we would have very serious problems
had a similar experience in nottinghamshire while lamping
even after they phoned me to confirm it was me two armed responce units turned up
just for small minded people while it is legal to own a sub 12ft airgun it is NOT legal to have it in public how does anyone know what fire arm this guy has untill you can clearly see or are told what it is,
If DPM is that good how did the flaming Feds see him, sod that I want a gillie suit, do it properly say I bugger hiding from pigeons go ninja on their arse!!!
UK limit should be raise to the minimum the US use i,e 33 ft/lb on private land with written agreement. 99.999% of us air gunners / hunters are good country code guys we lock styles after us, we don't go waving firearms around. 99.999% of us sit of private land shooting FT targets or pests ask requested by farmers, we spend thousands of pounds on the very best kit and we act responsibly. Organic farmers have no choice! you try putting out 500 rabbit traps ever night!
You thing that this is bad if the cop are called for a air gun hunter in the out skirts of glasgow (scot) you will not have the gun on you for long you will be tackied to the ground till the gun is proven safe and put out off view of all watching.You will have to go to a lawyer to got it back if thay say it it legal.If my bro and i go out for a hunt we go fishing to and go up the cost to a lock we have a bout and go to the shore that access to cars and hunt just so we can have a good day or two.
@EnglanderUK
There are MANY things that's against the law, that does not mean we have more of them, neither have you. Or are you saying that people go thinking "Oh this is against the law, so totally have to do it"? If that's your point, you don't understand basic psychology. Criminality have increased world wide, of course there are more gun crimes committed, it's like 2+2, everybody knows the answer is 4.
@EnglanderUK
How many times have anyone taken a bulldozer, killed people, and taken down the town it happened in? I can recall maybe one happening like that, and not one person was killed when it went down....now....how many times have someone grabbed a firearm and randomly killed people? Not only criminals, just 'ordinary people'? The reason for firearms to be more dangerous is; anyone can get hold of them, and it's easy for people to be temped to use them. Pick it up and use it.
first mistake , cop number 82 ( firearms cop) lets go of his weapon to search suspect,all his Armour and sidearm plus heckler n cosh will just hinder him if a fight/struggle breaks out , gun could accidentally discharge in a scuffle.should have been a separate cop do the searching, i know there was a dog there but he wouldnt have let it go if they were both fighting on the ground or he produced another firearm .
opps police monitered video the guy is only trying to supliment his food cupboard with an air rifle well lucky they were there with black helicopter and real altermatic guns tazers hand guns i feel a lot safer knowing we have a over the top police state and new world order not!!
keep up the good work boys
A sad day for mankind.
I could not be part of this swat team.
Take down of a Pigeon shooter.......Gaawwwd.
How humiliating. A very paranoid public.
Is that a helicopter dispatched ?.........jeez louise.
I'd get the hell out of that country. Leave it to the sissy's
Unreal, what a waste of tax payers money and lack of common sense by police. I too have had this happen to me, with two squad cars, a dog handler and helicopter. Although they didn't feel the need to send armed police on my occasion.
Signs lol, just practice bein invisible, take paths no1 will see you to make complaints. Make sure you know whare your pellet/bullet is goin through if any. And youl be fine. Land permission is priority.
@EnglanderUK
Then that is the choice of the population, a percent of it, and you need better laws and more controls, just like I said. More criminals, more guns, more crimes.
@EnglanderUK
So you have no hunters? Here only hunters can have guns, and the cops, and that's it. Guns need to be locked up at all times except for the hunt, and it works just fine.
@EnglanderUK
Only people with reasons to have guns should have them, strict gun laws keep us safer. Here people don't gunpoint you in your home, if you want that, vote for the same laws.
@EnglanderUK
Now, don't loose your grammatic just because you're loosing an argument. Here in sweden you can have firearms if you have a bunch of licenses from the cops, and only then.
@EnglanderUK
*rolleyes* I'm against YOUR argument, not hunting weapons. And I follow the law, no more, no less. I'm against guns on the street, not licensed ones. Get the difference.
@EnglanderUK
Besides, wife and kids? I'm -female-, Mr, Smartass xD But yeah, if I EVER have wife and kids, I could defend them without breaking the law, because I have common sense ;)
@EnglanderUK
Yes, I can, because lethal threats in the home (sweden) are legal to defend against with the same amount of aggression, I could use my firearm that I have license for.
Pigeon = vermin, rat with wings. Anyone shooting them should be commended.
@EnglanderUK
But I guess you rather have any kid run around with guns....after all, they should be legal, so 'crazy gunmen' and what not should be legal too, then? ^__^
@EnglanderUK
Oh really? So you're saying that tested people with license for -hunting weapons- is the same as some loony buying a "legal" gun of the street? Argument failed.
America is an amazing place, spent a week in Washington DC in '94 and the food you guys eat!, amazing, the Outback resteraunt , Plant Hollywood's 'Snicker Crunch Pie'! Awesome!. If I went back though I'd need to be well armed as I wouldnae want to end up like those 2 brit lads machine gunned to death by a black kid. I took some friends from Orlando round the Scottish Highlands last week, real nice laid back folk southern americans.
@EnglanderUK
I never said what area the laws would restrict, I meant the treatment of guns and to stop them from entering the black market in the current scale.
@EnglanderUK
Of course only criminals have guns if it's illegal, because law obedient people keep away from it then, THAT is common sense! xD
Ye need to watch. Sound of mind. Insurance, and be prepared to be fined, guns destroyed, and your home raded. Be warned. I have been there.
@EnglanderUK
Besides, I have gun cert and the right to use all types, have you? Most people that complain don't have it to begin with.
Good? Maybe you like being told what to do, but I, on the other hand, would like to keep my freedom. The easiest way to lose it is to give up your weapons and encourage that others do as well. You might want to go to you neighbor's (that is a gun owner) house one day and thank him/her for still standing up for your ignorant ass. Maybe thank a Veteran some time, and ask them how they feel about gun control. They've probably seen first hand what it can do. Think about what you're giving up.
On another note, I know how many people who have loads of trouble just to even be able to go & hunt, despite zero criminal record & having full licence for all firearms they need or own, you need various permissions etc. & often the cops will just say 'no sorry your gun is too powerful for land that size' so they dont get the go ahead ... but the gun is only slightly more powerful than the other rifles & in any other country that rifle is absolutely fine even in much smaller land ... total BS
I respect your opinion but it's too strict though, you cant own a handgun at all unless it has a ridiculously long barrel, the only time you can own one is if you are a deer hunter &need one to humanely kill the animal if you didnt kill it with the rifle, or to use in a club where it can only be kept in the club you cant take it home - all the while a cop can run around with a sub machine gun to 'control the population',or a yob with an illegal ak47, why cant we have handguns at home 4 defence?
if your permission has public access, such as golf course or sports ground, or other such sensitive areas around, always phone 101 & advise the police where you're shooting + times & dates, just as you would the landowner. would save this sort of hassel ... better a call from the police to check it's you shooting there, than laying face down on the ground with guns pointing at you ... will save the tax payer money too
Greetings from germany the most stupid land, here we're not allowed to have anything for protection, even pepperspray is only allowed against bear and big animals, so if u use it against guy with knife then u r a criminal and gets realy punished, we had 3 teens here that pulled older man out of his flat and kicks him to death in the hallway, he died in arms of his wife...our court found that the killed man was guilty and let this kids free oO
I saw them last week along the street to my Gym..
I am an airgun shooter and you have some valid points and some stupid ones too. He is breaking the law end of! how do the police know if the "air rifle" is 12flb or 32flb??. I am guessing you do not know much about uk airgun law so i will explain that 12flb is legal to own without a fire arms certificate but a 32flb air rifle requires a fire arms certificate. NEITHER can be carried loaded in a public place in the uk.
Well the reason you have the right to bear arms is to defend your freedom against a tyrannical government, sadly I was too young when we sold our souls and gave our guns up. We have to show good reason for needing firearms and defending your home and family isn't one of them. David Cameron can have two armed police with fully auto mp5's outside his house though, funny that.
Check out arm Britain dot com if you want to see how true Brits feel, or britain needs guns dot com.
Thank you for your expert psycho-analysis of a man you saw in a video being searched by the police with terrible audio.
However, I have to add that this is just a video with terrible audio and from this we know nothing about the man except he was using a rifle and searched by the police. We cannot conclude from this that he was out there causing mayhem shooting every animal.
Your comment is irrational and the equivalent of saying "Everyone who drives loves doing it and speeds everywhere."
Wow, these cops must be scared shitless of guns.
Thats a lot of firepower and armor for one guy and a bb guns.
They would shit their pants if they had to work in the US.
In North Carolina it is legal to have a loaded pistol in your car as long as it is in plain sight.
Yes, you can drive around with a LOADED pistol or rifle on your front seat.
You hunters in the UK have my sympathys.
the whole concept of armed police in this country is a waste of money, it seems most of the forces that have armed units, rarely if ever(in some cases simple never) actually use their guns, they rarely ever are called out to incidents where the suspect has actually got a gun(a firearm etc). all the training and cost is a total waste of time and money. and the actual rates of gun crime in this country have never been very high so unnecessarly oppressive gun control laws are really wrong.
Not a pleasant experience being arrested by OTT Police for any offence. But the guy knew what he was doing and was lucky if he did not end up with massive fine. For most part UK gun Law as it stands works really well. Rules are clear. But my missus found an AK-47 with clip and live rounds in on a grassy area on estate in Lambeth S.London. It took Police 45mins to come and retrieve it!! And here we have a helicopter, dogs and APOs for a guy and his air-rifle.
In a public park in full cammo gear and armed ? He's not some little kid either and clearly old enough to know better. If I'd been there with my kids I'd perceive him as a risk since no half sensible or sane person is going to get dressed in full cammo and take a gun to the park are they (except Michael Ryan of Hungerford types of course) ? I'm sure my Doberman could have given him some advice.
@magnusalexa Iam sorry your 'Pal' Killed a girl this sad story. In away it speaks volumes, It wasn't the gun that killed her it was the drugged crazed fool the took her life+the idiot who loaded the gun, It would never happen to me nor any one I know who target or rough shoot. So we are to ban forever sport because of someone out of his head on weed kills. People get killed Motorcyle/motor racing + spectators, Horse Riding, Boxing , Rugby the list is quite endless in the pursuit of sport.
@magnusalexa In my statement did i say anything about taking an animals life NO!
I have never killed an animal, I have no hangup about other doing so as long as its 'For the Pot', or for culling. I enjoy FieldTarget shooting and Shooting Clays. Would you stop field Archery ? As for the accident they do happen, the police have made many mistakes ending a life. Shooting someone in the face is not an accident its and act of stupidity. if you walk with a loaded gun do so with breech open
all this talk about ringing the police to let them know your shooting is utter bollocks!,they would be inundated with calls and be unable to to monitor all of them as well as do the job there supposed to be doing!.and they STILL have to respond to a gun callout regardless if they no some one is shooting there,they cant take that risk.it is easier to educate people that someone cammo"d up in a bush is more than likely lawfully shooting and not robbing banks,its the sign of the times
The law doesnt make it hard @shaun160668 it clearly states where you can use an air rifle i.e priavte land with permission of the owner of said land idealy in writing ,a wiser point is to inform your local police before you go to shoot who you are where your shoting you have permission and the problem is solved ,this guy is obviously chancing his luck in a public area ,you also need to be 15 meter from a public highway and the pellt cannot leave the land you have permission to shoot on
I am very in to bushcraft, shooting and fishing and the British laws constantly make my hobbies difficult or illegal. I am sick of our government, violent crime in this country is a big problem but it is dealt with all wrong, of I was a criminal I would carry a knife etc regardless of the law but as a good citizen I am constantly offended by the laws used by our government. A knife or gun is not dangerous In my hands or the hands of many others. I find this mostly a problem with my machete that
you should read the highways act as it states that as long as you are within your rights to be there and not breaking the law in any way that the police have no right to interfere with your rights to shoot and if they do then it is they that are breaking the law and not you and they are commiting civil tresspass if the refuse too leave when asked, they can be prosecuted for aggrivated tresspass if things get heated and they can be prosecuted for armed tresspass if they are armed in any way. LAW
As for the comments of terrorism etc it was in the 60's,70's and 80's that terrorism was at it's highest. The vast majority of you have never seen terrorism face to face but our police force have and soldiers have.
Times change.. It sucks but it happens.. The fact is this man was using (brandishing) a firearm in public.. I was questioned not long back after saying good morning to a walker with my rifle in it's drag bag I moved into my position. An hour later 4 ARO arrive with two mp5 and sig
when I was a lad you could go down to the post office with ten bob and buy a licence for a shot gun, we would shoot clays all afternoon, no one moaned or called the police, they turned up on the odd occasion to have a go. I remember accidentally going on private land they turned up without guns, and chatted about our mistake we apologised and they left. Whats has happen to our once beautiful country ? well I know who I will vote for in the next election anyone who is for our field sports
It takes 30 seconds to phone the police control center in the uk to get an incident number and let them know where and when you'll be shooting! I do this every time I go out especially lamping then if there is a report they know who it is!! Simples!! That fella may have been shooting on land he shouldn't have been on and quite rightly should have been busted if so! I would guess most negative commenters on here don't even shoot or hunt!!
@petercar96 but he's not in the countryside. He's in a public field in a public place. The Police aren't 'ill educated' the police react the way the law expects them to. What would have happened had they not reacted and a kid/passer by was shot? We've had some bloody idiots go off with guns over the past few years. Personally, I'd rather they took every precaution in the first instance rather than risk things going badly wrong.
why pay taxes for this kind of nimbyism? an ill-informed urban majority who contribute little to the life or economy of our countryside seek to sterilise it so that they can wander about it on occasional dry weekends. why dont they just p!55 off to the park and leave rural places to rural people? oppressing a minority who adhere to the culture they have sold/lost generations ago.
spleen vented!
ill educated police in this country,people shoot in the countryside,if you want to go a rampage you go to a town.
Re letting the police know beforehand does not work,they still have to investigate,heard of one chap getting stop searched after he had finished shooting. Result another tick in the performance indicator boxes.
The BASC has a very good online guide for Police officers as to what time of the day and locations they are likely to encounter wildfowlers and other legal shooters
Oh man....the cop has his hand always on the pistol.....Airgun terrorist YES!
They better give tickets to some wrong parkers ;-)
what a joke..but i do wonder did he get permission from the land owner or was that a public site? either way...boy if it was me in his place they would have shot first and asked later :) ..you would have to see me to believe me i'm a brown skin Muslim with a beard just love rabbit hunting with my air rifle :)
apparrently it costs £100 per minute to keep police choppers flying ... this government makes me sick
choppers are only used in other countries when serious crime is committed, here they are following kids on motorbikes who are having fun rides in open land, we should all refuse to pay tax until they sort themselves out .. .whose with me ?
Some of the comments on hear left be people are not doing us any favours. The title should be 'Police training exercise in response to a report of someone illegally poaching on private land' other wise it leave the members of the public with the impression that pigeon shooting is illegal which it is most certainly not.
Well I'm glad they stopped him from killing those birds. However with all those policeman around, and the helicopter...well it's all a bit too much to take. Only one officer was needed and at that he should have issued a warning and let the man be on his way. It was scary watching that young gestapel like officer frisking him as if he was some kind of terrorist.
This is such a poor training video... no sound of what the officer is saying, it shows the shooter to be aggrivated, it does not show what happens next.. This seems to be more of a threatening exercise as its also shot in a public place?? i just dont get it?? poorly executed training video.. very very poor indeed
Its a damn shame to see this happen in your country.
Best you folks can do is keep at your politcians, vote them out if they don't protect your freedoms.
Like politians every where they are more worried about getting rid of threats to their power (armed citizens) than dealing with the actual threats to their countrys.
We are seeing that in this country now (USA).
I have a marauder pcp pistol. I can put it all in my backpack and go to some park where I hide in them bushes. I take the pistol out and starts shooting them pigeons. When I am done I put it all back in my backpack and I go off. I try not to stay too long at one place and not to attrack attention. It is a full proof method me thinks!
You can hear what's said only just.the police must come to investigate and in the vid you clearly hear the bobby saying "weve had a call reporting a man with a fire arm.were just going to check you out and if you have reason to be hear it's ok" there is no shouting or unreasonable behaviour ..the bobbys did a good job I say...and yes I do own guns...
It is the people who have total disragard for law's (Driveing without proper docmetation,Robbing,Offessive wepons in public) who get away with everything
while the law abideing ones have to pay with there cival liberties & higher premiums
while the one's commiting crime are laughing in the face of the Law.Crime Does Pay its just my conciense which stops me.
@magnusalexa An Air gun should only be cocked or loaded when on target and not before. If you obey the rules all weapons are safe. You can't make a rule for stupidity. Any who make an error of judgement which end in a person being injured should be banned for life from owning any form of gun or weapon I think this would be fair, this would also apply to the police...
For heavens sake! I can go shoot guns any time I please and frequently do. Hearing gunfire on the surrounding farms is not at all unusual here. I'm sorry you don't have something like our 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. I will never, ever give up my guns to anyone for any reason and there are many millions here who would do and say the same! Good luck!
they just have a call saying there's someone with a gun not what type of gun i.e. air or bullet so they have to take the call as if it was a bullet gun. take it from someone who's experienced this first hand as i had armed police seal my street off because someone had seen me with a air gun and iv only myself to blame
Remember kids, always carry your FAC, permission slip and B.A.S.C. member ship card. I also keep the FAO's card in my wallet as well.
Difference was it was a sawen off shotgun they thought I had on me. And a didn't. They took me to the station and drugged me!
Ridiculous, while rapists, murderers and pedophiles are still roaming the streets the plod are busy catching vermin hunters.
It wasn't being compared by population, because then obviously America would win in crime number. I just look up "UK and USA crime rate comparison" and everything states that it has a worse rate of crime per 100,000 people than the United States. At least that's what it says about violent crimes.