I flew for United for 29 years, 1986-2015 and personally flew N672UA many times, even into Heathrow. That airplane had brake temperature gauges, but there is a lag between the time the brake overheat and when the red warning lights come on in the cockpit. It is very easy to overheat the brakes when landing at heavy weights combined with aggressive braking by the pilot flying. Or, this could have been an anti-skid failure that locked up the brakes. I once landed a Boeing 737 at CVG and both inboard tires were locked upon touchdown due to an anti-skid failure causing them to go flat.
What red warning lights? As I recall only wheel well fire indicator which wouldn’t annunciate with gear down and no “red” warning lights associated with hot brakes.
@@sanpedrosilver for a brake fire on a -300 there wouldn’t be an indication if the gear was lowered. Gear fire (red light) would only be indicated if gear was in the wheel well. Only indication would be brake temps if selected on EICAS and then only indicate high temps.
Airport ops look out their windows to see if SDTV are here....yep, they're here streaming. Get everyone on standby as something is bound to happen guys.
Same thing happened, a Thomas Cook 757, landing in Lisbon in 2003, we had to hold on the taxiway for about 15 minutes while they checked out some overheated brakes. Turned out to be both brakes and a blown tire. Managed to taxi to the terminal without problem or incident. Little worrying though when you look out the window and see smoke. Amazing crew kept everyone at ease!
De-ice fluid residue left over being burnt off by the brakes. Precautionary reaction by ARFF. No puncture, not an overheat. happens a lot in the winter.
What in thee hell are you talking about? Glycol would account for the first seconds of the smoke (and it should be a different color). That's about it, though. Hot brakes. That's it.
I have a good mate who is a UA Capt on this type. He confirmed to me that was the exact explanation. Normal landing, no over heated brakes. Happens a lot in the Winter. This one came in from Chicago. The de-icing fluid drops off the body onto the brakes. Nothing to worry about.
Just adding that every United flight after this one during the stream, landed just fine. Just saying: even with smokey brakes it's the safest form of transport 😉
Love this Nele! And aviation is still the safest form of travel, main point of this video for our nervous flyers is just how quick and professional pilots and emergency services are
Hot brakes, a little unnerving to see but glad everyone and the plane is okay. I do remember the time at Gatwick when Tui brakes smoked and caught on fire. I didn't see it right away till after they had pulled off the runway.
If you look at the engine cowling around 14 seconds you see it is open then closes at 26 seconds. Maybe that's how it's designed for those engines instead of the flare out at the back? I'm no expert either! Lol.
Exciting. When I was learning to fly, the plane behind me couldn’t get 3 greens for its landing gear. ATC let me park on the taxiway to watch. Luckily, everything was fine. Uneventful landing. TH-cam.com/@JonsDadHikes
Overheated wheels are damn dangerous to personnel - a wheel can explode and injure, or kill personnel on the ground. The wheels must cool down before the fire trucks can approach and it is safe for passengers to debark.
You can't send too few vehicles to an incident. Imagine the consequences of the brakes catching fire and the fire spreading - you can find videos on YT of brake testing at maximum landing weight / maximum manual braking and it can get very nasty very quickly. The aircraft turned off the runway and did an immediate 180 - that is nothing like standard practice. I suspect that the ground controllers saw the smoke and chose to put the plane as far away from other traffic as possible without sending it to a far corner of the airfield. Imagine being an airport fire fighter. You get called out much much less frequently than normal crews, but when you are summoned, there may be several hundred lives at stake.
Don't panic my brit friends, this is not a smoke from a burning tire, but an Apache smoke signal the US captain sent to say hello England, we have arrived. Unfortunately, the English tower did not understand the message and sent the fire fighter trucks.
Depends. If it’s hot brakes and the brake temp light is illuminated, then just letting cool down is sufficient. Around an hour depending on ambient temperature. Brake fire requires a brake and main wheel replacement plus damage inspection, again plus minus 2 hours.
@@huwleonard9261 so the system has a brake temp light as well as a brake fire, light or landing gear, fire indicator, and as such if just the break temp appears like you say, you just need to let them cool down if you get the brake fire, light or landing gear, fire light ( I need you to clarify the nomenclature for that fault) then it’s a repair and replace the landing gear and wheels, tires, etc. and I suppose the brake temp light is under the threshold of that needed to damage or burst the tires. It would seem that even hot brakes could potentially damage the tires. Thanks again for the details 👍
@@edschoenstein1893 On the Erica’s you have individual indications for brake temperatures, but not in degrees but just 1 to 7. As the brake gets hotter the box around the figure will change colour from white to orange. Once the temperature is 5 the brake temp discrete warning light will illuminated. There is no fire warning for brakes on B767 only wheel well fires. If the brake is hot as in 7 it can cause a fire depending on how much contamination is on the brake, axle area. But it doesn’t always happen. You can cool the brakes using water, air conditioning trolley or if it’s cool enough just let Mother Nature do her thing. If there’s a brake fire you will perform a maintenance check iaw chapter 5 high energy braking insp. If there is damage change the brake, it doesn’t always need a main wheel replacement, unless it’s damaged. If fire retardant was used to extinguish the fire, then the brake and the wheel will be replaced. As far as a gear change. The plane is designed to with stand a brake fir e for several minutes. If you need to change the gear, then the fire would have been blazing for ages…never seen that one.
Surely it would make sense to do a simultaneous runway inspection to safeguard landing traffic in case of debris. Remember Concorde was lost because of that. ??
It's not clear from the video whether it was a tyre or brake problem. The maintenance crew would certainly inspect both and replace anything that looked less than perfect.
Hot brakes? Makes sense, I suppose. They weren't glowing bright yellow like I've seen in certification videos. Those are worth a watch. Brakes get SO hot, they glow bright as the sun. Flattens all the main gear tires. Fire trucks just stand around for the required 5 minutes before taking any action. Pretty cool stuff.
This happened all the time in the past, but none of the passengers cared because they got plenty of drinks. Now you only get one drink and all the coffee you want.
If you have ever been on an aircraft with a drunken person on the rampage, you will understand why. It is now standard practice to warn cabin crew that giving alcohol to somebody who appears to be inebriated could in some circumstances be considered a breach of the Aviation Security Act - better to argue about stopping serving someone than give them the opportunity to cause havoc. It's a shame for the people who enjoy a tipple and don't misbehave afterwards, but we live in a sanctimonious and judgemental world..
@@hb1338 I’ve found it’s extremely rare to find responsible drinkers especially in the UK. Alcoholism is rife here. Ideally they should serve minimal alcohol at airports and none on airplanes but that’s just my opinion. It’s ridiculous how drunk some people get.
United obviously like to wait until their brakes are all the way down to the wear indicators. If this carries on their nickname will become 'Ignited' 😂
@@SDTVLiveAviation Hello mate. Yeah I saw the footage with the triple last month and couldn't believe what I was seeing. It seemed odd why they needed to vacate so quickly when separation wasn't an issue. This 767 was even worse. So that'll be three incident reports filed by Heathrow ATC in a very short space of time, each time the emergency services have been called out. Surely United will be approached by the FAA about it because no other American jets are flying in with gear smoking like a BBQ. Makes you wonder if yet another American airline has started to neglect maintenance procedures to cut costs? 😕
@@dwilliams6346 I'm a Canadian and have flown United only once, a long time ago, but avoided them after a colleague flew on United and said the armrests still had ashtrays in them and that they had duct taped.. yes duct taped.. another part of the armrest that was falling apart. She said it was the worst flight ever. That was enough for me!
What an overreaction! A little bit of hydraulic fluid on a hot brake. Just let it cool down and change the brake unit - easy. Whatever you do, don’t pour cold water over it.
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I flew for United for 29 years, 1986-2015 and personally flew N672UA many times, even into Heathrow. That airplane had brake temperature gauges, but there is a lag between the time the brake overheat and when the red warning lights come on in the cockpit. It is very easy to overheat the brakes when landing at heavy weights combined with aggressive braking by the pilot flying. Or, this could have been an anti-skid failure that locked up the brakes. I once landed a Boeing 737 at CVG and both inboard tires were locked upon touchdown due to an anti-skid failure causing them to go flat.
What red warning lights? As I recall only wheel well fire indicator which wouldn’t annunciate with gear down and no “red” warning lights associated with hot brakes.
Well, what’s the accurate description then? Red lights or no red lights?
Do appreciate the input from Joel.
@@sanpedrosilver for a brake fire on a -300 there wouldn’t be an indication if the gear was lowered. Gear fire (red light) would only be indicated if gear was in the wheel well. Only indication would be brake temps if selected on EICAS and then only indicate high temps.
Overweight landing?
@@juliemanarin4127 it came from the US. Weight definitely wouldn’t be a factor.
Very well captured! It's always interesting to see how the ground staff and fire crew deal with these situations
In the right place at the right time to capture this. All laid out in front of you. Perfect.
It just seems to appear everytime we go live lol
Cracking job by the fire crews - a really fast response
Agreed alex
Airport ops look out their windows to see if SDTV are here....yep, they're here streaming. Get everyone on standby as something is bound to happen guys.
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Very interesting video. Good capture of the brakes...thank you for sharing! ✈
Same thing happened, a Thomas Cook 757, landing in Lisbon in 2003, we had to hold on the taxiway for about 15 minutes while they checked out some overheated brakes. Turned out to be both brakes and a blown tire. Managed to taxi to the terminal without problem or incident. Little worrying though when you look out the window and see smoke. Amazing crew kept everyone at ease!
De-ice fluid residue left over being burnt off by the brakes. Precautionary reaction by ARFF. No puncture, not an overheat. happens a lot in the winter.
What in thee hell are you talking about?
Glycol would account for the first seconds of the smoke (and it should be a different color). That's about it, though.
Hot brakes. That's it.
De-ice fluid smoke is nearly pure white, almost bluish. This is not de-ice fluid smoke.
How does de-icing fluid get onto the brake discs ? It doesn't.
For so long and sustained ? No wrong color
I have a good mate who is a UA Capt on this type. He confirmed to me that was the exact explanation. Normal landing, no over heated brakes. Happens a lot in the Winter. This one came in from Chicago. The de-icing fluid drops off the body onto the brakes. Nothing to worry about.
Interesting video! Big LIKE
Just adding that every United flight after this one during the stream, landed just fine. Just saying: even with smokey brakes it's the safest form of transport 😉
Love this Nele! And aviation is still the safest form of travel, main point of this video for our nervous flyers is just how quick and professional pilots and emergency services are
Hot brakes, a little unnerving to see but glad everyone and the plane is okay. I do remember the time at Gatwick when Tui brakes smoked and caught on fire. I didn't see it right away till after they had pulled off the runway.
Same Karen so glad! And we’ve caught 4 of these now
Heated brakes . Another great coverage by Chris🙌🙌
Great coverage
Things you miss when you’re needed in the garden 😮. That plane is due out at 1620 to Dulles, returning to LHR after a quick turnaround.
Nice catch my friend as always, keep them coming. 👍☕
That's a great vantage point for watching planes. I bet you can sit there and watch for hours.
Nice....👏🏿🤝🏿
Bet that unsettled the passengers.
Firemen probably spluttered on their cups of tea and fell off their seats when the alarm bells went off.
I bet mate! These things happen though
7:51 A cuppa maybe, but they were out there responding
Oh dear. Oh dear. (A bit more chatter, then) Oh dear, Oh dear.😁😁😁
Oh dear, looks like that comment will help us to 100k views. Oh dear thanks Tony, didn’t quite work out for you that one, oh dear.
The aircraft has taken off on time for IAD. So what ever the problem with the brakes was sorted out whilst she was on the ground at LHR
Epic mate! I’m glad
Maybe overweight landing
I could smell them brakes from CYYJ!😂
Love that MEA livery!
Great camera work.
Fabulous ❤
It would be cool if certain plane spotters could register with the airport emergency services and could call in any first-spotted issues.
Im no air buff, but, where is the reverse thrust on the engines?
I may have missed it but on the vid im not seing it?
If you look at the engine cowling around 14 seconds you see it is open then closes at 26 seconds. Maybe that's how it's designed for those engines instead of the flare out at the back? I'm no expert either! Lol.
Nice video and the commentary. Kudos
767 is my favorite of all
Exciting.
When I was learning to fly, the plane behind me couldn’t get 3 greens for its landing gear. ATC let me park on the taxiway to watch. Luckily, everything was fine. Uneventful landing.
TH-cam.com/@JonsDadHikes
I’m flying on United to Boston in April - hopefully bit easier on the breaks then 😂
Impressive how fast the cars and fire trucks arrived.
Overheated wheels are damn dangerous to personnel - a wheel can explode and injure, or kill personnel on the ground. The wheels must cool down before the fire trucks can approach and it is safe for passengers to debark.
You can't send too few vehicles to an incident. Imagine the consequences of the brakes catching fire and the fire spreading - you can find videos on YT of brake testing at maximum landing weight / maximum manual braking and it can get very nasty very quickly.
The aircraft turned off the runway and did an immediate 180 - that is nothing like standard practice. I suspect that the ground controllers saw the smoke and chose to put the plane as far away from other traffic as possible without sending it to a far corner of the airfield.
Imagine being an airport fire fighter. You get called out much much less frequently than normal crews, but when you are summoned, there may be several hundred lives at stake.
Do they check the runway for debris after such an incident.
Yes if anything off the tires came off...even rubber.
Don't panic my brit friends, this is not a smoke from a burning tire, but an Apache smoke signal the US captain sent to say hello England, we have arrived. Unfortunately, the English tower did not understand the message and sent the fire fighter trucks.
Should they not have had a runway inspection before clearing the next landing?
What is the maintenance downtime for the landing gear/brake issue?
Depends. If it’s hot brakes and the brake temp light is illuminated, then just letting cool down is sufficient. Around an hour depending on ambient temperature.
Brake fire requires a brake and main wheel replacement plus damage inspection, again plus minus 2 hours.
@@huwleonard9261 so the system has a brake temp light as well as a brake fire, light or landing gear, fire indicator, and as such if just the break temp appears like you say, you just need to let them cool down if you get the brake fire, light or landing gear, fire light ( I need you to clarify the nomenclature for that fault) then it’s a repair and replace the landing gear and wheels, tires, etc. and I suppose the brake temp light is under the threshold of that needed to damage or burst the tires. It would seem that even hot brakes could potentially damage the tires. Thanks again for the details 👍
@@edschoenstein1893 On the Erica’s you have individual indications for brake temperatures, but not in degrees but just 1 to 7. As the brake gets hotter the box around the figure will change colour from white to orange. Once the temperature is 5 the brake temp discrete warning light will illuminated. There is no fire warning for brakes on B767 only wheel well fires.
If the brake is hot as in 7 it can cause a fire depending on how much contamination is on the brake, axle area. But it doesn’t always happen. You can cool the brakes using water, air conditioning trolley or if it’s cool enough just let Mother Nature do her thing.
If there’s a brake fire you will perform a maintenance check iaw chapter 5 high energy braking insp. If there is damage change the brake, it doesn’t always need a main wheel replacement, unless it’s damaged. If fire retardant was used to extinguish the fire, then the brake and the wheel will be replaced.
As far as a gear change. The plane is designed to with stand a brake fir e for several minutes. If you need to change the gear, then the fire would have been blazing for ages…never seen that one.
@@edschoenstein1893 EICAS
Our daughter was on this plane - she simply texted us to say she'd arrived! Glad I wasn't watching it live.........
I’m glad she’s Safe Nick
Seems like a huge response for smoking wheels.
Could catch fire and that would be even worse
Agree overkill
It’s easier to have more resources than needed than to be caught out and have to turn out additional units 😊
God bless
Let's say "oh dear" again 🤭
Yes indeed, why not it seems to drive comments and the algorithm and success for us.
Better than most of the expressions we heat now.
Just hot brakes, the aircraft came in hard and overheated the brakes on landing. Not a lot to it.
It’s almost normal a tire blow sometimes. It’s not the first time and not the last!
Wow, I was at Heathrow that morning
Good morning how are you ?
Surely it would make sense to do a simultaneous runway inspection to safeguard landing traffic in case of debris. Remember Concorde was lost because of that. ??
They did after it’s just not shown on film
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. 😂😂😂
Oh dear another comment helping the algorithm and the ad revenue.
Oh dear arrogance
Thrush reversers didn’t appear to deploy, possibly? Couldn’t really tell…..new tires coming for sure…..
Do Aircraft have sensors that let the Pilot know 🤔
Yes!
Did they changed later the specific tyre(s)?
It's not clear from the video whether it was a tyre or brake problem. The maintenance crew would certainly inspect both and replace anything that looked less than perfect.
United 924 heavy, we can see your right side brakes smoking.
amazing gfx on flight sim.
Not even msfs can reproduce this quality.
Great spot Chris like the 777 the other week
Exactly like it Jeff! And the TUI aircraft
@SDTV Live yes mate , You do a fantastic job filming the Aircraft movements .
Hot brakes? Makes sense, I suppose. They weren't glowing bright yellow like I've seen in certification videos. Those are worth a watch. Brakes get SO hot, they glow bright as the sun. Flattens all the main gear tires. Fire trucks just stand around for the required 5 minutes before taking any action. Pretty cool stuff.
Those non-visable flames will fool you every time. If you can't see flames...you know they will explode any second now.
AOWH DEEEAH! AOWH DEEEAH!
When trolling it would help if you could at least spell it right 🤦🏼♂️ “oh Deer” is the way it’s spelt.
This happened all the time in the past, but none of the passengers cared because they got plenty of drinks. Now you only get one drink and all the coffee you want.
If you have ever been on an aircraft with a drunken person on the rampage, you will understand why. It is now standard practice to warn cabin crew that giving alcohol to somebody who appears to be inebriated could in some circumstances be considered a breach of the Aviation Security Act - better to argue about stopping serving someone than give them the opportunity to cause havoc. It's a shame for the people who enjoy a tipple and don't misbehave afterwards, but we live in a sanctimonious and judgemental world..
I believe you have a problem. You need plenty of drinks to not be an arsehole? You’re an alcoholic just admit that. 😂
@@hb1338 I’ve found it’s extremely rare to find responsible drinkers especially in the UK. Alcoholism is rife here. Ideally they should serve minimal alcohol at airports and none on airplanes but that’s just my opinion. It’s ridiculous how drunk some people get.
Oh dear.
How original.
@@SDTVLiveAviation Thank you
Lol at Jim, hon...sdtv will become famous for capturing those 'uh-oh!' Moments! Lol 😁☺🤣
Pray for ya
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When one side smokes and the other doesn’t usually indicates possible a mechanical issue.
Both sides were smoking I think
@@juliemanarin4127
Yep
They very late getting to the plane.
Hello mate
United obviously like to wait until their brakes are all the way down to the wear indicators. If this carries on their nickname will become 'Ignited' 😂
This is the 3rd time we’ve caught such incident now Dan
@@SDTVLiveAviation Hello mate. Yeah I saw the footage with the triple last month and couldn't believe what I was seeing. It seemed odd why they needed to vacate so quickly when separation wasn't an issue. This 767 was even worse.
So that'll be three incident reports filed by Heathrow ATC in a very short space of time, each time the emergency services have been called out. Surely United will be approached by the FAA about it because no other American jets are flying in with gear smoking like a BBQ.
Makes you wonder if yet another American airline has started to neglect maintenance procedures to cut costs? 😕
Lol brilliant hon, love it! Xx
An expert weight in
@@dwilliams6346 I'm a Canadian and have flown United only once, a long time ago, but avoided them after a colleague flew on United and said the armrests still had ashtrays in them and that they had duct taped.. yes duct taped.. another part of the armrest that was falling apart. She said it was the worst flight ever. That was enough for me!
Oh dear repeatedly? That's the best you can do?
By watching the video and commenting, you are gaining us places up the algorithm! Many thanks, you should stop by more! Here’s to 100k views ✈️
@@SDTVLiveAviation You're quite welcome. Glad to help!
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Hope they have RAC Home Rescue coverage lol
I would hope so
They would have to; AAA Roadside Assistance probably would take too long to get their truck to the UK.
Oh dear?
Yes.
Overweight landing?
Looks like a no,flap landing.
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Of course he knows those brakes are hot ...
maybe you ought to record without sound 😡
A bit hard when it’s a livestream and there are 2.1k people watching.
Looks like a puncture...?🛬👍
That’s what I thought mate
Pas très rapide, l'intervention des pompiers. Ça ne rassure pas.
What an overreaction! A little bit of hydraulic fluid on a hot brake. Just let it cool down and change the brake unit - easy. Whatever you do, don’t pour cold water over it.
It’s a 767… scrap the thing and use a 777
No way, it has 2-3-2 seating.
LET ME OFF.
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Stop using 676s please. Ugly old planes
What are they?
only cheap airlines like united still fly this very old plane
Would be nice if you said ‘should have’ instead of ‘should of’……same as ‘could of’……just saying
You're reproaching the chap for his grammatical error, using _that_ sentence? 🤦♂
thats just pedantic of you for saying that
You need to get a life Charlie.
Try could've and should've, not could of and should of.
@@SDTVLiveAviation you need to go back to school….infants would be best