Sue Cook and Nick Ross present. Cases include a robbery on a supermarket in Merseyside, the murder of Susanne Greenhill in Newport and some rapes in Sussex.
Thanks for this RedCard. Not watched it yet, but this was the first episode I watched on original broadcast. I’d started secondary school, bedtime was a little later, and I was allowed to watch Crimewatch. It regularly terrified me, but still loved watching. Don’t actually remember what cases were on my first show so really looking forward to watching this in bed later. X
People talk about the 80s as if it was some kind of golden era. It absolutely wasn't. I think most people these days would be shocked at how nasty and ignorant a lot of people were back then.
There’s always one that gets on the offensive band wagon about something… no one cares, i don’t think it’s that it was “ignorant” at all i just think people were allowed to be more honest back then, you can’t say nothing these days without making sure you haven’t offended the rest of the world and their mother, petty is the best word i could use for people.
People weren't exposed to anybody but the most bog standard person back then so felt uncomfortable around anybody who was in the least bit different from them
I found the murder of the def girl extremely upsetting that poor girl had made a life in such difficult circumstances and someone takes her life..Really Sad 😢
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It was also more discreet. During a much later episode, it was stated that a telephone conversation could be overheard by the watching audience. The layout of the studio ensured that callers were made to feel more uncomfortable - which continued up until 2017 when the show was axed. Done very slowly to demoralise the watching viewer so they wouldn't campaign for it to be brought back. My theory as to why they did this, is because of the increasing number of blk suspects, which the BBC couldn't show being bad people - even back then.
Or maybe a woman didn't wanna respond to the wolf whistling pervs. Wouldn't give them any satisfaction, most who wolf whistle probably have a cocktail sausage todger anyway
For those interested in Suzanne Greenhill's case, the BBC looked at the murder as part of the "Dark Land" series which is available on BBC iplayer. It also has an episode which covers another Crimewatch case - Karen Price "The Body in the Carpet".
After a fourth trial, Timothy Robson, 31, who is deaf, was jailed for life for the murder in 1988 of Susanne Greenhill, 20, of Newport, Gwent. Robson had the verdict relayed to him in sign language.
This is the most detailed thing I can find-would seem a crime of passion/jealousy, maybe she had threatened to tell his wife, maybe she wanted to end their affair. Born deaf; attended several special schools throughout Wales, the last being the residential Ashgrove Special School for Deaf Children in Penarth, which she left at age 17 without graduating. Sexually promiscuous, she was found in her apartment, stabbed to death. One of her deaf lovers, Timothy Jack Robson (q.v.), an adulterer cheating on his wife, was eventually arrested, convicted of her murder, and sentenced to life imprisonment, but not until after 3 years, 4 trials, and 2 appeals. He was finally nailed by DNA evidence in 1992, though some people both in and out of the local Deaf community remain unconvinced.
With so little details it is hard to say-it all depends on whether the DNA evidence is solid, you can only assume the prior trials didn't have it & the jury were probably somewhat bamboozled by the sign language & ended in hung juries. I can never recall another case with four trials, nor one where a deaf person was on trial.
Yeah, 4 trials! I thought the double jeopardy law meant that if you were acquitted, you couldn’t be tried again for the same thing. I know the law got changed, but that wasn’t until roughly 2005 I thought?
Yep, once I testified in a court against some crook, and I described him openly as "looking like a drug user" - and I almost got charged myself :DDD Stupid times. They ask you to oath to tell the truth and then threaten you for doing so.
Suzanne's murder is particularly awful because she couldn't scream or shout for help. Also she is described as lonely and isolated but seemed to have quite a busy life.
The general theme running through this episode, not crime, but 80s hair. I’m afraid to have committed similar crimes against hairstyles in the 90s. Alas, now I’m balding so have little in the way of manoeuvrability in this argument, so it’s just wishful thinking at this stage. But my god what were they thinking back then
"Witnesses say he's ugly with bad teeth..." LOL!! That's the first time I've ever heard such a description for a perp!! Lol, I really love David Hatcher, but I gotta say, I was shocked when he came out with that one, Lol!!
That video-fit together with that very visual description of the crossbow murderer as having “cold, hard eyes” was, for me the spookiest moment in this show 😱 Does anyone know if he was ever caught?
swiftlydoesit A strange case this one. In fact a woman (an ex girlfriend of Diana’s boyfriend) was charged with her murder but the CPS declared there wasn’t enough evidence so she was acquitted). I believe the murder is still unsolved.
The only person ever arrested for it appears to have been a female love rival. However the evidence was pretty much non-existent it seems & she was acquitted-although convicted by the British media. www.truecrimelibrary.com/crimearticle/diana-maw/ eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/newpaper19890427-1.2.3.1 th-cam.com/video/sdN5oDyCyBw/w-d-xo.html
It still happens now if you don't smile or look they can just get more aggressive. And it may only be one on site but the rest of the guys just let it go on. Probably their boss who knows.
He was caught & jailed in 1990, there was later a bit of a cock-up with his prison file being sent to the lady who had subsequently moved into his address before he was nicked. It seems the authorities thought he would be moving back there. www.theargus.co.uk/news/5147493.Prison_sent_me_rapist_s_secrets/
Exactly. Young teenage girls were considered fair game by some men back in those days. Look at the 80s film, "Rita, Sue and Bob too". Basically about a man preying on schoolgirls. Samantha Fox posing topless as a kid. There was a very nasty stereotype that paedophiles were gay, and gay people were paedophiles. Never mind how many straight men were preying on young girls. The nasty phrase "if there's grass on the wicket let's play cricket" was sadly far from uncommon then.
Such a fascinating rewind into life over 30 years ago, when I was a very young kid. Women are whistled at in the street as a norm, people in minorities are always referred to as isolated and lonely, and suspects are described as ugly. Very different times now. Wouldn't want to go back to all that ignorance and discrimination, but at the same time society is sometimes a bit too puritanical and offended now for my liking.
@@tharealmikezee3165 yep. And back then for that to be shown it was almost as if that was the done thing and expected of work men. That said, to get some perspective, far worse happened to her.
@@tomgraham6071 I remember after this time (circa 1989) a pretty woman walking past a building site and literally every man (about 30) was wolf whistling! 😳
@@tomgraham6071 unfortunately it’s gone too far the other way now. You can’t say or do anything that’s even a tiny bit blunt or to the point because it might offend someone. We’ve become too soft and wimpish.
I was thinking the same thing. While I do believe some people are too overtly offended nowadays, sometimes when watching these episodes one of the detectives will say something blatantly racist or sexist and I'll think "how on earth was he allowed to say that on national television"
Alison Blackwell it’s okay it is hard for people to gather a lot of information on this tragic event so i understand that some people have mistaken what happened
69p for large Cadbury Dairy Milk at Iceland in 1988,now the price of a regular 45g bar is about 70p now. The b******D's hope they caught the armed robbers and evil murderers and rapist etc .
@@09weenic I love Liverpool and found scousers to be some of the friendliest people on earth with the best sense of humour: but your comment did make me lmao! 😂😂😂😂 No disrespect to Mickey Mousers, keep doing what you’re doing in the Venice Of The North ❤️
I actually love liverpool myself and don’t live too far from there, just found it hilarious they did all that for 8 grand in a car that was probably worth more
But it was in the 80s. I was there, and i knew suzanne. The deaf world were brushed aside by the hearing world. Luckily i didnt hear the name calling, so it didnt effect me much. One bonus for me 😂
@@Morgan-yl3ou as long as the world has had deaf, blind, hearing or sight impaired people functioning in it im always surprised at the lack of accommodations they have to do daily task
NO deafness had nothing to do with it. She was likely killed because she rejected him... ..and he was infatuated with her ... Deaf or jot , made no dufference.
Thanks for this RedCard. Not watched it yet, but this was the first episode I watched on original broadcast. I’d started secondary school, bedtime was a little later, and I was allowed to watch Crimewatch. It regularly terrified me, but still loved watching. Don’t actually remember what cases were on my first show so really looking forward to watching this in bed later. X
Similar age to you. One good Thing came out of watching Crimewatch then - I never, ever spoke to strangers and always hurried home at night.
Happy Saturday fellow Crimewatcher’s! 🕵🏻♀️🍷🍜
Love them watched them all
Hi de hi
how the hell can deafness make someone else uncomfortable thats just bs and cruel
It is but in the 80’s it was acceptable (for some reason 😡)
People talk about the 80s as if it was some kind of golden era. It absolutely wasn't. I think most people these days would be shocked at how nasty and ignorant a lot of people were back then.
There’s always one that gets on the offensive band wagon about something… no one cares, i don’t think it’s that it was “ignorant” at all i just think people were allowed to be more honest back then, you can’t say nothing these days without making sure you haven’t offended the rest of the world and their mother, petty is the best word i could use for people.
Totally agree but it was a long time back now.
People weren't exposed to anybody but the most bog standard person back then so felt uncomfortable around anybody who was in the least bit different from them
I found the murder of the def girl extremely upsetting that poor girl had made a life in such difficult circumstances and someone takes her life..Really Sad 😢
Her murder was solved thank goodness!
Another deaf person.
Someone no one in the deaf community liked.
A creep.
There's been a recent BBC documentary about the case (and others in Wales) as part of the "Dark Land" series
Timothy Robson was convicted, I’m trying to find out if he’s still alive…..he can’t hear someone creep up behind him, I do hope he’s still local
I also have addiction to c/w. And keep bingeing on them
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omg get a grip
I preferred the older studio to this. It had a cosier look to it.
The one which they shared with Grandstand.
It was also more discreet.
During a much later episode, it was stated that a telephone conversation could be overheard by the watching audience.
The layout of the studio ensured that callers were made to feel more uncomfortable - which continued up until 2017 when the show was axed.
Done very slowly to demoralise the watching viewer so they wouldn't campaign for it to be brought back.
My theory as to why they did this, is because of the increasing number of blk suspects, which the BBC couldn't show being bad people - even back then.
“He’s ugly with odd teeth” superb
Looked like Jerry Lewis in The Nutty Professor!
😂😂😂 In other words, depending on who you ask, he could be anyone. 😂😂
I can confirm that in the 80's if you wolf whistled at a woman and she didn't respond she was either snooty or a lesbian
Or maybe a woman didn't wanna respond to the wolf whistling pervs. Wouldn't give them any satisfaction, most who wolf whistle probably have a cocktail sausage todger anyway
Or deaf
Thanks made my night .
spooky
For those interested in Suzanne Greenhill's case, the BBC looked at the murder as part of the "Dark Land" series which is available on BBC iplayer. It also has an episode which covers another Crimewatch case - Karen Price "The Body in the Carpet".
After a fourth trial, Timothy Robson, 31, who is deaf, was jailed for life for the murder in 1988 of Susanne Greenhill, 20, of Newport, Gwent. Robson had the verdict relayed to him in sign language.
Four trials-something really odd there..
This is the most detailed thing I can find-would seem a crime of passion/jealousy, maybe she had threatened to tell his wife, maybe she wanted to end their affair.
Born deaf; attended several special schools throughout Wales, the last being the residential Ashgrove Special School for Deaf Children in Penarth, which she left at age 17 without graduating. Sexually promiscuous, she was found in her apartment, stabbed to death. One of her deaf lovers, Timothy Jack Robson (q.v.), an adulterer cheating on his wife, was eventually arrested, convicted of her murder, and sentenced to life imprisonment, but not until after 3 years, 4 trials, and 2 appeals. He was finally nailed by DNA evidence in 1992, though some people both in and out of the local Deaf community remain unconvinced.
With so little details it is hard to say-it all depends on whether the DNA evidence is solid, you can only assume the prior trials didn't have it & the jury were probably somewhat bamboozled by the sign language & ended in hung juries. I can never recall another case with four trials, nor one where a deaf person was on trial.
@@liverpoolsupporterstv6906 He raped her, so the motive is quite easy to figure out.
Yeah, 4 trials! I thought the double jeopardy law meant that if you were acquitted, you couldn’t be tried again for the same thing. I know the law got changed, but that wasn’t until roughly 2005 I thought?
Witnesses say he is ugly with odd teeth-could you imagine a police officer saying that today while describing a suspect?
Hi going by the photo it seemed a bit harsh anyway.
Stephen Roche I agree
Yep, once I testified in a court against some crook, and I described him openly as "looking like a drug user" - and I almost got charged myself :DDD Stupid times. They ask you to oath to tell the truth and then threaten you for doing so.
It would be in code ic1 male etc
that only his mother could love
Many thanks redcard, you’re the guv’nor!
Hi redcard74, how many years of Crimewatch do you have? What year will be the final year you upload? I am loving these old episodes.
been waiting for this episode its the month and year I was born thanks
At least you can be eliminated from inquiries!
Suzanne's murder is particularly awful because she couldn't scream or shout for help. Also she is described as lonely and isolated but seemed to have quite a busy life.
Solved.
Another deaf person did it.
Thanking you
I love watching crimwatch on utube and crimewatch files
The general theme running through this episode, not crime, but 80s hair. I’m afraid to have committed similar crimes against hairstyles in the 90s. Alas, now I’m balding so have little in the way of manoeuvrability in this argument, so it’s just wishful thinking at this stage. But my god what were they thinking back then
Chilling details about the crossbow killing. Horrible. Poor woman
I always loved the bloke from the antiques roadshow when he would come on crime watch. Cracking stuff mate.
Good ol’ Johnny Bly … a proper gentleman, much life myself.🤵♂️
First! Happy Saturday Everyone! Was waiting almost impatiently for this! 🤓
trust me no need to panic take note of his upload time its between 9 and 10 pm this guy never fails us
@@TheRealAndroidDoctor - there is no evidence to support at this stage that redcard74 is a "he".
Investigations are still ongoing ha ha.
@@spike197047 haha luv the comment bro ,im sure us cw investigators will soon solve it 😂
Peter Brook was the Announcer for that Night, there is a video of BBC 1 continuity that happened during the night that Crimewatch was on
Ahh pharmacies in Wales...where I wouldn’t have to pay for my anti rejection drugs that stop my body from rejecting a transplant.
"Witnesses say he's ugly with bad teeth..." LOL!! That's the first time I've ever heard such a description for a perp!! Lol, I really love David Hatcher, but I gotta say, I was shocked when he came out with that one, Lol!!
If you listened properly… he said that’s how the witness described them
@@Thenorthsace16:33
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Have a great Sunday all Xx
Still some episodes missing would like to see them get uploaded anyone up for the challenge hard to find but worth a look
That video-fit together with that very visual description of the crossbow murderer as having “cold, hard eyes” was, for me the spookiest moment in this show 😱 Does anyone know if he was ever caught?
swiftlydoesit A strange case this one. In fact a woman (an ex girlfriend of Diana’s boyfriend) was charged with her murder but the CPS declared there wasn’t enough evidence so she was acquitted). I believe the murder is still unsolved.
The only person ever arrested for it appears to have been a female love rival. However the evidence was pretty much non-existent it seems & she was acquitted-although convicted by the British media.
www.truecrimelibrary.com/crimearticle/diana-maw/
eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/newpaper19890427-1.2.3.1
th-cam.com/video/sdN5oDyCyBw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks guys. Good read.
"not knowing she was deaf, they thought she was rather snooty". WTF?
Welcome to the 80s. Where women were regularly hassled on the street and thought to be "snooty" if they didn't respond.
Since when did ignoring 2 lecherous creeps make a person snooty?
My lord
It still happens now if you don't smile or look they can just get more aggressive. And it may only be one on site but the rest of the guys just let it go on. Probably their boss who knows.
A different time lol Yh I hope the men have changed their ways if still alive
Great work redcard!!!👍👍👍
always close ur curtains BEFORE u put lights on..seriously, why? sometime it's not possible especially for an elderly person they may trip over..
I regularly trip over trying to pull the curtains closed, but the voddy might be partly responsible …
Does anyone know how to get the John ward murder up in manor park in 1988
The rapist might have a ‘girlfriend’ aged 12 or 13? WTF?
Jimmy Page had a 14 year old girlfriend-now he has a OBE.
He was caught & jailed in 1990, there was later a bit of a cock-up with his prison file being sent to the lady who had subsequently moved into his address before he was nicked. It seems the authorities thought he would be moving back there.
www.theargus.co.uk/news/5147493.Prison_sent_me_rapist_s_secrets/
@@Hi-kq1vi bill Wyman another one
Exactly. Young teenage girls were considered fair game by some men back in those days. Look at the 80s film, "Rita, Sue and Bob too". Basically about a man preying on schoolgirls. Samantha Fox posing topless as a kid. There was a very nasty stereotype that paedophiles were gay, and gay people were paedophiles. Never mind how many straight men were preying on young girls. The nasty phrase "if there's grass on the wicket let's play cricket" was sadly far from uncommon then.
It's astonishing how much social attitudes have changed. Back then, some men viewed young girls as fair game.
Does anyone know which crimewatch episode features the lee Boxell case?🙃
Febuary 2013!
Missing from Sutton maybe murdered in Cheam September 10th 1988.
8/12/1988
Back in September 1988 after their summer break. Maybe they thought crime would take a break eh??
We also had police in the eighties not just crimewatch lol
47 years old? He looks 60+...
It was acceptable in the 80’s.....
Life imprisonment ? Grommers have committed 100s of offences ,they get maybe 1 year nowadays
Should go back to life imprisonments
14:25 LOOK AT DAVEY BOY HATCHER IN THE BACKGROUND THERE, STANDING AROUND, LOOKING HEROIC!!!!!
Awesome haul from the supermarket robbery lol
It would be about 20 thousand pound in today's money--not bad for a night's work. No bank CCTV footage, no bizzies being called, very few witnesses.
@@Hi-kq1vi One thing I learned when I lived in Liverpool is scousers aren't stupid far from it.
Raping and stabbing a deaf lady absolutely despicable.
AGAIN!!! The caller in distress! Who is this person who always calls in distress?
I lived near the Iceland robbery id love to know if they caught them
Your still a suspect?
@@CARLIN4737 🤣
16:14 Stephen Merchant......16:20 We'll have no trouble Here!!
Looks nothing like him. lol
Should've gone to Specsavers tbh.
Marcus Velody, 47???
About two decades out. Easily looks mid 60s 🤣🤣
Right?! My jaw dropped when he said 47. He looks like such an old geezer 😆
@@hihowareyouthen Haha brilliant 🤣
I thought they'd got the four & seven the wrong way around! 😅
@@AACE73 😁😁 good point. Marcus Velody. Hahahahaha
jans den not jans café. its clearly marked in the photo. micro map.
Silly little point and yet it does seem to matter.
RED CARD 74 id love u like u wont believe if you can find caroline pierce murder in Tunbridge wells in 1987 please
@MulberryEllie Has now! Have you read the news?
Such a fascinating rewind into life over 30 years ago, when I was a very young kid. Women are whistled at in the street as a norm, people in minorities are always referred to as isolated and lonely, and suspects are described as ugly.
Very different times now. Wouldn't want to go back to all that ignorance and discrimination, but at the same time society is sometimes a bit too puritanical and offended now for my liking.
yeah the mechanics "thought her rather snooty" for not responding to their catcalls haha
@@tharealmikezee3165 yep. And back then for that to be shown it was almost as if that was the done thing and expected of work men. That said, to get some perspective, far worse happened to her.
@@tomgraham6071 I remember after this time (circa 1989) a pretty woman walking past a building site and literally every man (about 30) was wolf whistling! 😳
@@tomgraham6071 unfortunately it’s gone too far the other way now. You can’t say or do anything that’s even a tiny bit blunt or to the point because it might offend someone. We’ve become too soft and wimpish.
I was thinking the same thing. While I do believe some people are too overtly offended nowadays, sometimes when watching these episodes one of the detectives will say something blatantly racist or sexist and I'll think "how on earth was he allowed to say that on national television"
System called HOLES! Ha ha, love it!!
What?
Diana Moore crossbow murder in Ealing - I can't find anything about her online. Anyone know about the case please?
@Tom Foley thanks. Do you have any articles on that friend?
@Tom Foley please do friend I'd v much appreciate it
What happened??
Good to see La Phelps popping up, now out of the police … and, sadly out of uniform. 🧔
@17:36 thats noel gallagher!
Looks nothing like him. lol
18:35 - he actually used “Michael Parkinson” as an alias?
Please show more grapcical reconsteictions pls
Still seems to be a lot of vacuous looking people sitting round doing not very much at all, new studio layout or not.
G or R Furnival 😂😂😂😂 classic aliases them. Max Refson 🤣🤣🤣
Surprised he didn't use the name Max Power tbh...
@@hihowareyouthen haha some great names, wonder if cops ever got him.
Thought I read the fiance killed Susanne?
no tony (my grandad) and susanne were good friends with timothy robson and his wife and it was timothy who murdered susanne
@@millieg6415 thanks for clearing that up for me.
Hope I didn't cause any offence
Alison Blackwell it’s okay it is hard for people to gather a lot of information on this tragic event so i understand that some people have mistaken what happened
@@millieg6415 Millie are you single?
69p for large Cadbury Dairy Milk at Iceland in 1988,now the price of a regular 45g bar is about 70p now. The b******D's hope they caught the armed robbers and evil murderers and rapist etc .
Ryan O'Hara I noticed that too! Haha
8 grand. good luck to them.
Yeah but 8 grand for doing all that lmao
@@Thenorthsace that's £21000 today accounting for inflation so in one night that's not a bad haul
69p back then the equivalent of £2.49 in 2024 money. So actually massively more expensive back then.
Them scouse divs did all that for 8 grand. The gti would have been worth more than that 😂
Scousers and a robbery- well I never !
@@09weenic I love Liverpool and found scousers to be some of the friendliest people on earth with the best sense of humour: but your comment did make me lmao! 😂😂😂😂
No disrespect to Mickey Mousers, keep doing what you’re doing in the Venice Of The North ❤️
I actually love liverpool myself and don’t live too far from there, just found it hilarious they did all that for 8 grand in a car that was probably worth more
@@Thenorthsace yeah worth that if they owned it but I’m pretty sure they didn’t lol
They're all Irish in Liverpool!
At least the term "Mute" or deaf mute wasn't used.
But it was in the 80s.
I was there, and i knew suzanne.
The deaf world were brushed aside by the hearing world.
Luckily i didnt hear the name calling, so it didnt effect me much.
One bonus for me 😂
@@Morgan-yl3ou as long as the world has had deaf, blind, hearing or sight impaired people functioning in it im always surprised at the lack of accommodations they have to do daily task
@@Morgan-yl3ouare you familiar with Navajo tonic?
There's always one!😉
They never seemed to investigate the bum ticklers
I don’t think she was killed because she was deaf? 🫤
NO deafness had nothing to do with it.
She was likely killed because she rejected him...
..and he was infatuated with her ...
Deaf or jot , made no dufference.