The only reason why backbone got popular was because of how locked down iOS was. It was essentially the only option. And it had the software polish you'd expect from a iPhone associated product. Apple users are allergic to choice so it was the perfect storm
😂😂😂 "Apple users are allergic to choice so it was the perfect storm" Lil' bro is out there cooking, let 'em cook I say! You are 💯 correct friend, the Backbone on Apple at the time that it started out was definitely a massive launching pad. Plus, it got featured by Apple themselves quite a few times when they were showcasing gaming on their iPhones!
You have no idea how happy that makes me to know I can help people with my videos. Funny enough, I struggle in my day-to-day to make decisions sometimes so I know how much having data and feedback can help, to know I can do that for others brings a great deal of joy to me. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this tierlist, it's very informative and helpful! Can I just suggest you keep the name, stats and price of thing you're discussing throughout the length of you talking about it so that viewers don't have to navigate to the start of each section to get that info. Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you so much Humblemud! I greatly appreciate 😊 I can say the same about you, been adding to my wishlist, thanks to your wonderful recommendations. I'll be picking up Decline's Drops very soon in fact! The way you showcased the parallel to Smash Bros totally convinced me!
I understand some of the disappointments people may have but the more I've been using it, the more GameSir's direction make sense. And with that hidden wireless mode, it's actually having that newfound appeal for me. I still haven't successfully managed to pair it but hopefully, GameSir hid a button combination to kick it because this thing definitely has that mode, the question is how to pair it with the dongle now!
I got the x2s Bluetooth from watching your videos and I love it. Never had a problem with lag while playing path of titans. Ended up getting it on sale for $40. It’s perfect
Glad that you did and thanks for your trust! I did not experience lag as well, more like some other controllers feel "snappier" though never to the point that the X2s BT feels like I can't keep up with the response time. Thankfully! That would've been terrible. 😅 Cheers!
Hey man, the truth is I almost never comment on videos, mostly because it’s not easy for me to write in English (it’s my second language and it’s very different from my first) and also because I usually just don’t . But this time I felt I had to. For the past few weeks, I’ve been thinking about buying a gamepad, and I let that idea simmer. Last week, I decided to go for it and started researching. I have to say you’ve really helped me understand the field and what’s best for me. I truly appreciate it. I can’t explain it exactly , but watching you makes it clear you’re a good person. Tomorrow, I’ll finally place my order! I’m going to get the BSP D9 because I’m used to the shape of the PlayStation controller, and it’s the most comfortable for me. I also loved the fact that the joystick, buttons, and gamepad are at a 45-degree angle, unlike almost all the other options, which I find just underneath, there was more considerations in order to choose that one but they aren't exclusive to this option its just that option has them also, anyway I believe that difference will make for a better experience for me. You’ve exposed me to the field so much that I’m already considering future options. If I buy another one, it will probably be the Galileo G8+ or something similar. But there’s still time for that. Anyway, thank you so much, and I’ll keep following you. I’m already eager for more content! :)
"but watching you makes it clear you’re a good person" My guy, you're going to make me tear up. Your message is so touching to me, you are the embodiment of what I hope to provide to people, thank you so very much for taking the moment to write me this beautiful comment, really! I'm glad you found the product that will serve your needs, and glad to have been an ally in your decision-making. I think you have the best approach, start with something affordable, that scratches many boxes, get acquainted with the "sport" and you know what? If things continue the way they have, the G8+ will be surpassed in a year's time, maybe even 6 months, who's to say. I'll be there then to share with you the latest and greatest options! :) I hope to continue to help you determine what your gaming needs are in the future. Cheers!
This was such a great video. I'm really happy that you're doing another one of these in a few months. I really appreciate you bugging Gamesir about a G8 with a cooler. xD The more time passes and more products come out, the longer my list of demands gets for a perfect telescopic controller and the more excited I get to see what they come up with next. Your enthusiasm definitely rubbed off on me and I'll see you in your next video. :D
The BSP-D9 looks awesome. This video came out at the perfect time for me. I've been trying to find a quality handheld experience with the Switch. Mobapad m6 HD's cramp my hands. NYXI Hyperion Pro's fit nicely and I love the stick caps but the controller randomly disconnects too often. Every telescopic controller i saw before this video has the right joystick positioned in a way that's just as silly and unergonomic as the original joycons. The BSP-D8 right stick looks more to the left than center and the D9 looks like the dream for ergonomics and heavy use of the right stick. Thank you so much.
Oh man, sorry to hear about the M6-HDs! Yeah the ergonomic of the D9 is definitely it's strongest aspect and easily a top 3 "ergonomics" leader in the entire line up of products I talked about in this video.
Definitely two "can't go wrong" options. I do think GameSir shook the market so hard that a lot of manufacturers took the blueprint and finally woke up. I get what you're saying, also there are a lot of new players that shouldn't be ignored and it's moving at turbo speed right now!
Thanks for putting value as one of the criteria. Now we see that higher price doesn't automatically translate to best experience. Maybe the build quality is top notch, but if I can't enjoy using them, I'm not sure that's a good buy for me. On the flip side, cheap controllers might be the best solution since I commute everyday. If it breaks/lost, at least it's only the controller and not my wallet lol. Maybe I'd buy the premium one to use at home, and buy some BSPs for gaming sessions on train/ bus, that seems a good plan.
I think that is a great idea. To paraphrase, you have people that always take the same sandwich at McDonald's, then you have the ones that like to alternate from time to time, try the limited edition items. Nothing wrong with being happy with what you like, I believe that I always get closer to knowing what I like by allowing myself to diversify. The solution you mentioned by having a premium and BSPs for your commute is an opportunity to do exactly that, diversify. By doing so, you'll have a better grasp of what you definitely prefer down the road, at least that's how I think! Cheers :)
Great list, some interesting thoughts on some controllers im interested in getting. Just a quick note i thibk the image you have for the d8 pro is actually the nornal d8 :)
Argghh!! I keep making mistakes with that controller! 😅 Pretty sure I did one in the previous tier list too. Thanks for pointing it out and for the kind words too! :)
A great great banger of a video with short notes of pros and cons about each one, man it was really enjoyable. But is it enough to satisfy me? Nahh. Keep bringing more of the good stuff Klef.
feature wishlist for future releases: - telescopic/traditional length hybrid - retractable usb c output (for less latency for mobile and switch compatibility) - mechanical face buttons (just because i havent tried this one yet lol) but first, let me find myself a game to play.
I think those are great wishlists and though the third already exists in telescopic controllers, the first two I'd happily get behind, with the third being part of.
I actually finally dug through some of my brother's things recently that were sitting around and found an old 2019 tablet he barely used that's strong enough to run Dreamcast, so this video came at a good time for me.
Thanks Aish, glad to hear as such. That was the idea with this one, the kind of video you leave on a screen while making dinner and glance from time to time.
Could you answer some questions for me? Does the Gamesir X3 Pro connect to an iPhone 16 Pro Max with a case? It would be good if you addressed this issue in your videos, which of them support the device using a case. Is there any possibility of pairing this controller via Bluetooth on iOS? And about the cooler, how many degrees does it lower the temperature of the cell phone?
This video is designed as a "quick feedback", I have a hands-on and full review video on the X3 Pro where I address the exact concern that you had. In the meantime, I am happy to confirm the information you are looking for, the X3 Pro will not work nicely with a case, as in the connector is not long enough for a stable connection, let alone one at all. If you prefer to not remove your phone from your case, which I totally understand, I would advise against the X3 Pro as this will be a problem guaranteed. Your two other questions are also answered in the videos I made of this device. Cheers!
@@GameTechTalk I watched all your videos from the X3 Pro, the thing is that I'm Brazilian and I can't understand the English in the video very well, so I asked the question, is there a UBS C to UBS C extender? About Bluetooth, it doesn't work on iOS in any way?
@@jojomortal Sadly, there are no extenders, maybe someone could come up with a system but that would be in the DIY territory. The Bluetooth won't work no. Not to play games, just to change the settings of the controller. Cheers and thanks for watching!
@@GameTechTalk Please answer a big question for me, only you can answer this question because you are the only one who knows these controls. Could you test if it is possible to mirror the iPhone screen and use this Gamesir X3 Pro controller at the same time using only the USB input of the controller?
Nice video. The amount of effort you put to make this video should be intensely high... wonder which one works best for playing PUBG mobile on Galaxy S24 ultra?
Yeah those videos are extremely time consuming but it does help that the data is captured from being an enthusiast in the market space, and reviewing all those other products
Ahhhh!! I am soooo happy to release that one!! I know it helps a lot of people decide what to go for so I hope this gets shared to as many viewers as possible. Thanks for all your support!!
Ive got my hands on the G8 recently. I gotta say that its a slight bump in experience from the previous controllers. Now I wanna try the Abxylute so bad
Hey MinKiu410 ! You've been on a controller journey, I love that for you!! So from what I understand, the G8 is your top now? What would you say is your second in line?
Got two G8s (one modded for the S9 Ultra tabelt--you are right it is the BIDNESSSZ; one modded for my Pixel Phone with a case). I'm looking foreard to the G8+ for vertical shooters on S9 Ultra. Awesome video man thanks for sharing the love on gaming on tablets and phones.
That will vary per phones but I also would recommend picking up a case that even out the camera bump in which case it won't be a problem at all, like you can see when I used my RedMagic, that was a perfect fit.
Thank you for the amazing content bro! Been glued to your channel🔥 I am stuck at the moment though, I would love a G8 but its out of my budget - so I have been looking at 3 models that are available here in South Africa and need desperate help picking one lol. The EasySMX M05, the easySMX M15 & the Aobing Max. I can get the aobing max and M05 for the same price - then the M15 is about a third of the price more. I like the idea of having a deck style controller like the M05 for my phone but idk if getting a traditional style will be better. Alternatively, is it better to save up longer to get the G8+?
Ahh thanks for the kind words! Personally, I'd say the M15 is worth holding for. In order of preference: G8+ > M15 > M05 > AoBing . The one thing that could make the AoBing take more space for you is the 3.5mm but you sacrifice rumble in the mix. Also when talking rumble, the M05 has shown to not have as great compatibility as the M15, don't know why. Ultimately, the M15 is a superior experience, especially if you play first-person shooter games. It can also poll higher and while it may not have as many options as the G8+, it's still extremely close for what it does, the G8+ just ultimately does more. If you have no intentions of plucking the controller on a tablet, the M15 is putting you very close without charging you the uplift in price. I hope this helps, cheers!
Kudos, Sir Klef! Great tier list as always. I would like to add that the G8+ can be deemed S+ in countries like the Philippines where it can be purchased with the dongle at around 47 usd (other Filipinos might be here too and this might help them).
GEEZUS!!!!! 47USD WITH the dongle?!?! Smh, I'm a bit jealous, I'd jump on the recolors in a heartbeat at that price. Thanks for sharing, hopefully that can help people as you mentioned! 😊
Firstly, this is "the" list and your work on telescopic controllers is the best in TH-cam. I want to ask, for bluetooth controllers. How long can a phone go before charging it when it is connected with bluetooth. I will decide according to that info to buy a controller with a bluetooth or only usb-c connection.
Way to boost my ego!! Thank you so very much for the kind words wow! It would heavily depend on the game but I would say most modern flagship phones would be able to give you at least 5 hours on a full charge and with a healthy battery, and if not more. And that's when playing "more demanding" games on the App Store / Play Store, there are probably a few exceptions out there like say RE Village on iPhones but if we're talking proper "mobile" games, it'd be a safe bet. On less demanding games, it can be much much more! Edit: I should also add that phones usually have a much better "fast charging" solution than most so you can also get 50% within 15-30mins of charging on most flagships for another 2-3 hours of gaming.
I don't think Crkd sees value in creators of my size. Or maybe they do and I'm the one they'd rather not collab with, who's to say. If I buy a Crkd product, they double the price, half for the product, the other half for shipping. Due to that reason, I have no intention of purchasing Crkd products for my personal self. My apologies.
G8 Plus is the better option for tablets. At 12", the Memo S3 tablet probably won't fit even. If you go for the S3 or D8 Pro, take your measurements first because I don't think any of them will work. Cheers!
It would be amazing if you could add portability to your ratings. The Abxylute and G8+ are incredible controllers, but I can't easily throw them in a large jacket pocket when I want to go somewhere without a bag. I bet that's one of the reasons Backbone continues to sell so well. Do you have a small form factor controller recommendation for iOS?
That's a great suggestion, I'm taking note of it, thank you! For small form-factor, the EasySMX M05 is probably my top currently with the JK02 having some appeal as well.
Thank you for the video. I have a Razer Ultra Kissy and a scuf nomad, and I have ordered a s9. Please let me know the model name of the game controller in 58:01, and if there is a link to see related information, please let me know.
It looks awesome doesn't it? Unfortunately, it won't be released before 2025 according to the maker. It will be called the BSP N02, I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for that one!
I went with the S9 because of your videos 😂 i was hesitating with the G8 + but i think the S9 gives you a bit more for your money in term of features and i like that we can buy new plates and new sticks/pads thru their website as well. And the S9 also has bluetooth connection so we're still able to play games like cod mobile.
Thanks for your trust! The G8+ and S9 is an incredibly difficult debate to have because really, there is such a fine line that defines which I would say I prefer and quite frankly, I might have different answers on different days but it all boils down to how one does most of their gaming. If you are tethered to your phone/tablet, then it's a no brainer, the S9 it is. Lately, I've been finding myself doing a mix of tethered and untethered a lot and that's where the G8+ takes the lead for me. Either way, they both are phenomenal options and Abxylute also has a fantastic software solution, which leads me to believe they are laying down a foundation from which to build from. Such a brilliant solution already as it is, I'm already excited for what the future might bring!
@@GameTechTalk oh yeah both devices have their own pros definitely. If i was a huge switch gamer maybe i would've consider the G8+ more but for the most part i always end up playing with the switch docked so. Either way it is nice to see how far the tech as gone with these devices. Keep up the great content btw 🤙
I really like the GS Galli G8+ but man I wish the thumbsticks had a little more tension or a way to adjust the tension....They feel a bit loosey goosey sometimes lol or maybe a way to adjust the curve via software, that'd be sweet!
Some Value Calcs using your categories (stick,d-pad,ergo,features) getting an average divide by the prise x1000 (better readable) and we call it rValue (realValue) The Best Value Controller 1. JK02 rValue: 187.50 2. BSPD8 Pro rValue: 121.43 points, So the JK02 wins this by far.
I recently bought the Gamesir G8+ from Amazon, at a discount of €62. I think that for this price it's really the best choice. Unfortunately, I have to wait a few more days before it gets here. But at least I know I made the right choice, also thanks to this video of yours.
@GameTechTalk I also saw that you made a video specifically about the features of the g8+. When it comes to me, I'll definitely watch it. I discovered your channel yesterday and I can already tell you that you do a really great job here on TH-cam. You're very knowledgeable and you've certainly helped a lot of people make informed purchases.
@GameTechTalk Sorry if I bother you, but I have a problem with the controller, which I got today. I can't connect my phone using PS4/iOS mode. I use a Samsung and with the Android mode it connects right away, but it doesn't have vibration. So I'd like to use PS4 mode, but in this case the phone can't find the device.
@@NessunoNessuno-j8i Thanks, that's very kind of you to say. It's all a very complex balancing act so if it comes out right, it means I'm in the right direction. Thank you so much!
@@NessunoNessuno-j8i To kick in the PS Mode, it's the capture button plus the right most face button. It should come up in Bluetooth as the "DS4 Wireless controller" if I recall. You may have to unpair previously connected PS controllers as it could cause conflict. Cheers! Edit: No bother at all, I'm happy to help, cheers!
Another additional question, I saw that the memo s3 tablet comes with a cooler to attach. Do you know if the abxylute s9 can be attached to a cooler or if it cannot be used in conjunction with a cooler?
It cannot be used with the Memo S3 cooler, I can say that much. The Memo S3 cooler specifically fits the railing system's backing that they have, which I haven't seen other controllers have exactly the same. There may be other accessory solutions like it but if there is, I haven't come in contact with them.
Hi! Would you recommend Kishi v1? I want something portable that can fit in my jacket’s pocket to go on the subway and I saw it for 20 bucks. The rest seem too big to be able to do it, needing a backpack. Thank you!
I'm looking for a controller for my iPad 11-inch. I'm deciding between the Memo S3 Tablet and the Galileo G8+. However, I'm torn because I don't want the hassle of getting an extender for the G8+.
A very fine solution indeed! I don't know how much telescopic gaming you've done in the past but the D8 Pro is definitely one that can effectively sell the concept to newcomers and seasoned gamers alike. A force to be reckoned with, without breaking the bank. Let me know what you think if you do get it! Cheers :)
Maybe this sounds a bit off topic, but it does relate to some models on the list (for example the gamesir x4). Have you thought about doing reviews of cell phone coolers that fit with this type of models, because Telescopic Game Controllers are booming, but the heat generated can be a long-term problem that affects the life of the equipment. Because I have seen a large category of these and well it is difficult to say which one... or that it is really good and does not break down after a week of use?
I might do a compile video at some point where rather than testing that aspect of a specific controller, I pin multiple in one video and make that specific subject the center of it but that's not in the production timeline for now. More of a "maybe down the road" kind of idea.
Is the wireless only of the Gamsir G8+ a concern if I'm playing older NES games that rely on quick input lag? Would you reccomend that I go with a wired option in that use case? Thank you!
Retro gaming is notoriously challenging because emulators have inputs on top of the controllers themselves. With bluetooth 5.3 and how robust GameSir's implementation is, I gotta say, they really make it so that I don't experience a difference between wired and wireless, that's not to say that there is not maybe an extra 5ms in the mix but it's not substantial enough that I'd feel as though the convenience comes at a sacrifice. I hope this helps, cheers!
Im confused about your GamWing AoBing Max comment, you say it converts USB-C to audio and others dont, than what others do? Isnt it what the audio jack supposed to do? to take USB-C audio from the phone and convert it to analog to plug-in headphones?
Yes but it's a different protocol. And that protocol is only active when you are connected (and using) that specific device whereas AoBing could be connected bluetooth to your PC, while still capturing the audio from the USB-C plugged into your phone and outputted to the 3.5mm jack. Other devices that have both bluetooth and wired don't do that. I explain it a bit more into the AoBing review but quite frankly, I would recommend to not put too much thought into it, it's gonna be a useless feature for 99.9% of people to be honest. It was just surprising to see on a controller.
I'll try to do some more mapping gaming with it soon, I use it from time to time but I must come clean, I don't play a lot of games that require mapping at the moment! I was playing Archero 2 but because it's a portrait game, I didn't bother bringing a controller into it!
@@GameTechTalk maybe it could be my game that doesnt allow wireless debugging, the game is Metal Slug Awakening. Just like Fortnite, that won't launch unless you turn off wireless debugging
At the moment I'm torn between the G8 plus or EasyXMS M15. From aliexpress I can get the G8 plus for around EUR 55 and the M15 for EUR 33. Considering one is almost costing twice the other, is it worth going for the G8? I have the Gamesir X2s Bluetooth at the moment and my experience with Gamesir has been satisfactory, so quite unsure between the two 😅 any feedback would be appreciated! 😊
The M15 is a pretty rich experience overall, as long as you remain tethered. I think your answer lies in this question: "Would you like to use it untethered at all?" If so, then your best bet is paying more and going for the G8Plus because that one will give you the ability to stick your phone/tablet in and out while keeping your gaming unaltered. It's a pretty massive advantage to the ones who do.
I'm genuinely humbled you made the time to reply to my comments, thanks mate appreciate it! Been going through your videos the last couple of days and boy are they a pleasure to watch. Big thanks! Yeah, I'm sold on the G8+, I think 😅. In addition to what you said, I've read that the M15 has a gazillion microswitches, face buttons and all. And I game whilst holding a newborn on my chest during the night. It would drive me and anyone in the room crazy. Even the bumpers in the X2s are bit loud for my liking, let alone a whole gamepad of the sort. Am I mistaken in the assessment? 😅 Once again, lovely work man. You got a sub! 😊
@@alangrixti3529 Ahh thanks for subbing friend and indeed, the G8+ is one of the more silent controllers in the entire current market (except the d-pad, it's a tad noisy but not crazy either) so there's another aspect that may help you decide. Cheers!
Personally, I'd go for the G8Plus, it's just the most pleasant to take in and out of a large sized tablet like the iPad Pro. It also gives you the freedom of positioning it as you see fit. It's pretty much a no brainer to me to be honest, It's nearly the only pick in that list because of how much better that it is at that specific use-case.
The only one of these I own is the X2 Pro. Mine still works perfectly. I still really like it and use it often. That said; I get why you rated it a "C" in today's market. I will say that there was a time when it was an S-tier unit and it certainly won me over to the GameSir family. I'm happy, happy, happy that I stuck around to the end of the video. That GameStop Galileo rebadge is absolutely gorgeous. I love the PlayStation-esq buttons and the red trim. It appears to be the sexiest version of the G8G. I've bought other GameStop branded accessories before. I can be a bit of a brand snob about certain things; however, to me the GameStop brand is A-OK, Dr. Jones. I hope this unit will be sold in their brick and mortar stores. I wouldn't be shocked if I'm able to nab one for around X2S pricing not that long after launch.
Oh yeah, the X2 Pro when it fresh released was definitely the pinnacle. That was during an era that the competition was Backbone One and Kishi V1 / V2 and a bunch of unreliable alternatives from China. I really like the Raptor's look. In fact, it's what the RedMagic color layout should've been as far as I am concerned.
@@GameTechTalk - It's funny that RedMagic accessories by and large aren't red. Even their phones don't use much red anymore. They might as well call themselves "BlackMagic" at this point.
The X4 can be used to operate Steam Link but not Remote Play, so you need to get an app called PSPlay, that one will work better than Remote Play even but it's not free, it costs like $5USD.
Ehi, nice video. I have many of these controllers, but i must "contest" you on something you said. I have the scuf controller paired with my iphone, i have put it in a drawer for *several* weeks, because i was using the G8+ (which is better, but more cumbersome), but the battery is still about 80%, not dead at all, not even close.
Please contest to your heart's content! That means mine is definitely defective and I have grounds to reach out to Scuf, thank you very much for your comment cause this is a serious problem and it's been from day one, been charged no more than half a dozen times. Again, thanks a lot!
@@GameTechTalk Yeah, of course! I hope i have not presented myself in a negative way, i was trying to be helpful, i enjoy your content a lot, it simply was something i noticed. And i do hope they change it, because if yourse discharges so fast on its own its absolutely defective. I never noticed that behaviour even when i purchased it, and i kept updating it with the scuf software, it never behaved that way, so perhaps yes, yours is faulty and deserve a replacement, especially because it's not a cheap controller.
@@skreeog No no not at all! As I said in the video, I'm a giver, I drop long comments ahahaha! You genuinely helped me, I thought it was weird but it's not unlike something I had never seen but if yours don't do that and mine does, it means there's something abnormal. Don't worry friend, I'm not bitter like that ahahahh!
For the most part yes, the stretch mechanism also constrict when tightening on phones so for a phone, it's pretty much impossible for them to come out, if you were to go past the typical use, like nudging a tablet (which I often do 😅), some of those controllers I wouldn't dare use while laying on my back as the last thing I'd want is a tablet falling on my face ahahah!
A fair warning to people who are interested in X2s bluetooth...the controller randomly turns off mid game in DS4 mode on the latest firmware. It could be a major issue for people with iOS devices. I did try downgrading the firmware, it didn't fix the issue sadly
Does the G8+ support phones with large camera modules? Because I see it listed as S tier almost everywhere I check but they don't mention that aspect....although I think I saw somewhere that when they put a samsung s24 ultra in it it didn't fit properly due to the thickness of the camera module. Could you confirm this?
Yes and no, no because I don't have the S24 Ultra but I do have a Galaxy Z Fold 4 that has a very similar array of camera placement. When you crack it open, the cameras will not all fit into the cove that gets created by stretching the controller, so you would need to remove the little tab and with that removed, you're good to go. With that said, because the G8+ has complete case compatibility, my preferred approach (and what I do with my phone) is that I have a case that makes the camera module flush to the case. It's very common to prevent the cameras from being damaged from a fall or something. With that on, you never have to worry about the tab, I like that approach best personally.
The X4 Aileron is great but something you should pick specifically if after the unique features it has, being split, having the ability to merge touch and control inputs and the ability to stick a cooler down the middle. If those do not have specific appeal, the choice should immediately be G8+. Cheers!
Thank you for your videos! Have you come across any telescopic controllers that fit an iPad Mini 7 with the ability to redirect gyro to sticks? A bigger version of the X3 Pro (X3 Pro Plus) or a G8 Plus with Somatosensory unlocked would be perfect!
Hey! As a matter of fact, I have, and I even made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/CwFnWTvnWV8/w-d-xo.html :) The Abxylute S9, the BSP D8 Pro and D9 can all redirect gyro to sticks. I would recommend the Abxylute S9 in first position. Oh and they all work for the iPad Mini 7. Cheers!
Mmm, I don't know should I spend my money to gamesir x3 pro, or should I first try jk02 😢 My sd gen 1 phone is too hot for a controller without a cooler
The sticks on the JK02 just have a bit of a learning curve if you're playing shooters but it's actually quite easy to adjust to. That said, the X3 Pro definitely have better sticks and just a superior controller overall. If you spend A LOT of time gaming on your phone, I'd say go X3 Pro, as the saying goes: "Pay once, cry once". If you don't, go JK02, it'll give you 6 months to a year easy and by the time you feel ready for a new one, it'll have more options on the market to choose from.
@@GameTechTalk Great advice bro. Just ordered x3 pro. I'm NOT EVEN A MOBILE GAMER XD But I bought a new phone with sd 8 gen 1, it heats a lot, and now I'm into emulators and Steam streaming (which is impossible to play on the screen). Will see if I'm even gonna game, cause I play OW2 competitively on PC :P
Unless I'm misunderstanding, the Memo S3 with Type-C does have bluetooth, is that what you are referring to? Or do you mean a new model with no Type-C and a battery to use wirelessly? Because the Memo S3 has Bluetooth 5.0 which is definitely not as good as G8Plus, not comparable in terms of performance and reliability. Bluetooth on the Type-C Memo S3 is more of a convenience thing than a solution you'd want to use regularly. But if you mean a new Memo S3, maybe they improved the bluetooth revision.
@@GameTechTalk nope, im talking about a new bluetooth version. Some ali listings have updated their memo s3 variants, and now some of them include a regular one, tablet one and bluetooth one (and picture does not have a type-c connector), but there are no reviews at the moment for this variant
Uh, sorry for the second message. Could you explain better the "secret xbox mode", please? i do have a tarantula AND a G8+, you're saying i could use the g8+ with the tarantula dongle on my pc as an xbox controller? Could you elaborate?
Yup, you absolutely can, and no worries for the second message, word on the street is the algorithm loves it! 😂 I would refer you to this video where I go more in-depth about this function: th-cam.com/video/Rf8nsk1nEeo/w-d-xo.html That ought to give you the info you're looking for but in a nutshell, capture button + left most face button will kick in that green light, when under that blinking light? You can pair with the dongle and effectively use your controller with 2.4Ghz rather than Bluetooth, crazy right? Unfortunately, it didn't give me 1000Hz with the G8+ but I think someone in the comment said it did. Cheers!
The "overly gaming" aesthetic is usually indicative of one of two things, they completely nailed the ergonomics OR they overdid it and it's too excentric for its own good. I'm willing to put my money on the first option but I'll test it out first hand very soon. You got me excited for it just now, thanks!
@@GameTechTalk Ergonomics can be improved in my opinion. Lots to learn after our first product :). The app is being improved weekly as well. Just playing catchup at thsi point but lots of people love the controller!
The G8+, despite being bluetooth, has an incredibly low level of latency, I would suggest that one primarily. If not, there are a few tablet options but most require modding of some kind unless you are using one of the smaller iPad (iPad Mini essentially). Which iPad would you be using with a controller?
It's just a little more of everything compared to the other two. Feels better in quality, slightly more features, same price if not less, stretches wider. Yeah, I'd say it's just better rounded overall.
The X4 was a no brainer for me. I directly ordered it after seeing it here. A is enough for me :) Had a Kishi and EasySMX15 before it. Could not use them with my Case.. THis one i can use with a Case and still charge with Wireless Charging (ok it may get a biut hotter and may even drain while playing..). The one thing i miss is the feature to use it as a PC Controller... so i would only need this one on the go to pair it with my notebook. But my PC won't find it.
There is supposed to be a hidden mode to connect to PC as joycons. Can't remember what the shortcut is, GameSir + X I think. There's a few videos covering it on the platform. Cheers!
@GameTechTalk Ahh thank you! I found it after searching a bit. Can switch between modes witch xbox + A for Android and xbox + B for Xinput. For around 55€ this thing is crazy good :)
Bit of a design change, more features such as rumble and gyro. Maybe not worthy of an upgrade if you have an X3 but definitely a greater option if you are looking to get one of the two.
@@GameTechTalk after all I've pulled the trigger on an Abxylute s9 and I hope I won't miss the cooler :( Most of the reviewers point out the Redmagic 10 pro is handling temps really well so.. fingers crossed!
Oye @Drivenby! It's been a minute!! Yes absolutely. They can do both actually, if we think of cooling in a PC case, it's hard to understand how those coolers do help but cellphones, being mroe often than not passively cooled, it's a "closed" pocket of temperature that builds up inside. Plus, everything is so compact. By applying cool from the outside, it actually does make a sometimes shocking difference to the overall temperature of the components. That said, not every cooler are as efficient. The Memo S3 cooler is form than it is function, to stay polite hehehe!
I can't decide between the X3 Pro and the G8 Plus, I saw that both are in the same price range, but the X3 Pro has cooling I will use the controller with my S23 Ultra
So i would like to get a controller for my kids but the key category for me is that the controller fits a case. The backbone v2 seems slammed in this review but is there anything else worth it that fits a case? Its black friday week so plenty of discounts. Cheers all
You're looking specifically on Amazon? Or you're opened to AliExpress as well? Any price limit, must-have features? I'll come up with a suggestion or two. Cheers!
Yes Amazon and was taking advantage of black friday as in UK there are some good discounts on the higher tier controllers. Really with my kids being pre teenagers just looking to not have to take off their cases which drew me to backbone v2 but I have never actually seen any units to make a judgement which drew me to all of your reviews. Excellent BTW!
@@jameshampsonuk I would recommend the GameSir X2s. Here's why, fairly long protruding USB-C so case removal shouldn't be necessary. It's wired so no: "Dad, it's not working" because they haven't connected Bluetooth 🤣. No USB-C breaking because it flexes. It's small, great for smaller hands. It's got all the necessary tools and no software where you can join chatrooms (Backbone has that feature). You probably can tell I'm a Dad too ahahahh! From experience, yup the X2s to introduce children would be perfect, plus it's got bright and lively colors too!
Hello, i have a question. I ordered G8+ for my Lenovo y700 2023 tablet and it has second USB-C on a side. How it gonna work if i connect G8+ to Y700 using short type c - type c cable? Will it still consume battery / charge something or just work as non Bluetooth wired controller? P.s. I ordered it from China so it gonna take a few weeks to ship, so can't test now. Well, at least 40$ looks like real value deal lol.
Technically, based off of what I recall from the software, there is no "power only" mode meaning that by playing wired, which you can do btw, the controller will be powered by the phone, but would technically also charge the battery at the same time, based off of how much power is being sent from your phone. So the result is more dependant on the phone/tablet than anything else as not every device output the same power from their port. And yes, $40 for a G8+ is a steal!
I have to disagree with the BSP D8 Pro being S tier, it's still a good controller for the money but there are some key issues. The main being the ergonomics and button placements which in general just cause me to lag when playing more action intensive games, I just can't move freely and am distracted by how it's just that much un free flowing when it comes to moving your fingers around and pressing buttons. To be specific, the grip is an issue. My hands aren't locked in like holding most controllers/portables, my little fingers are not locked so that means a loose uncomfortable grip. Best way to test grip is just to hold the controller with 1 hand and you will feel that you cannot manage the weight of the tablet, even a phone will slide out of your grip. I have an old, pretty basic cheap controller and I put in my biggest heaviest tablet and I can still maintain grip due to the shape of the controller. Also the Switch can pop out slightly with 1 hand as the controller doesn't lock onto it with enough of the plastic lip so if you don't notice it, the Switch can fall out and hit the floor. Due to the shape and grip, it is also very hard to use the D-pad as the main input, I'm forced to use the stick to play platformers as the Dpad feels awkward to use, I can only use it as option buttons in other games. Moving the D-pad very quickly left and right is also awkward feeling, a bit too loud and harsh metal on plastic feedback that takes you out of the game. The analog sticks are too small but tbh it's easily solvable with buying thumb covers for the Switch, not a perfect fit but improves the control to a point it's not an issue but it still counts against the product as it comes. Not even taking into account the small quality control issues (inconsistent feel on buttons) and general noob friendliness outside the box (eg. bad instructions, have to research how to turn off terribly distracting RGB, ABXY buttons are reversed on Switch out of the box and you need to learn how to change that instead of it doing it automatically.) Ultimately, with the thumbstick mod I would class this as a B tier overall for Switch, maybe it will feel better on a phone but the ergonomic feel is just not good enough to be A or better.
Your comment is a perfect reflection of the plight of a reviewer. I get your stance, I sincerely do. I have to remind myself that I'm not only making these videos for people that value stick quality, that's why the D8 Pro is S-tier in the list, because it will achieve so much for so many people that simply do not care for what many of the better options have over the D8 Pro. The D8 Pro can still be used on tablets, on phones, with Switch, on PC, you can use gyro, have rumble, there's so little that this controller cannot do but I agree that what it does, it certainly doesn't do as good as the S-tiers in the list, that's where each product has their strength but I can't deny the D8 Pro of it's greatest assets, it's value and the versatility that it provides for it. Thanks for your inputs, I really enjoyed reading your perspective. Cheers!
I haven't been aware of such a predicament but I would be a bit surprised if being honest. As far as I know, controller support API are part of the Android OS and not so much the chipset. I guess nothing's impossible but I would be extremely surprised to learn that this is indeed the case.
I just got the g8+ for $50, it’s been great so far. Just panicked when i couldn’t pair it to my phone, turns out you have to hold the pairing button 😅. But the switch and android mode works out of the box.
I had gotten a backbone this year actually and within a year like 5 months orso the right side of the controller stopt working correctly and after some research its seems to be a common issue
I had two Backbone do exactly what you describe, though the warranty experience was positive, I can give 'em that. Out of warranty I wouldn't know, have you tried reaching out to them?
@@GameTechTalk I am planning to send it out for repair, but at the same time, I am also looking into getting one of the Gamesir G8 controllers. I like the USB-C version, but the Bluetooth version has more features. However, there is also the Abxylute S9 to consider
First Pick for Me GameSir X-4 Aileron... RgB...Volume controls + -...Mixed Touch / LefT or Right Controller... Behave like JoyCon by switching Mode... works with Android / ios / PC / N-Switch... Perfect for the Pimax Portal 5.5" RaZeR Edge 6.8"... Second... BsP D8 Bluetooth Controller (Sky Black or / and Star Space White Edition) Best looking printed graphic texture design...RgB...Rumble...Nice fits those 8 inches Tablet... Also, Perfect for the Pimax Portal 5.5" RaZeR Edge 6.8", Lenovo Legion Y700 2023 8.8" Tablets... Sure... ipad Mini 6...7... 😎🙃🥸🧐🤓🤯
G8 Plus. The G8 Plus, in my personal opinion, works better at larger devices than any other options that can still do it as well. Next in line would probably be D8 Pro but it might be too deep for a tighter hold.
@@GameTechTalk Ok I bought the controller and I love it, one thing I noticed was A B and X Y where reporting backwards, is there a way to remap these for android?
@@key421 There is, hold Capture + bottom most face button for like 5 seconds, the controller will vibrate and then the values will swap. Or, you can remove the buttons (they are magnetic) and swap them to match the Xbox/Nintendo layout, whichever your prefer!
A very difficult choice to make in all honesty. Lately, I gravitate more towards the G8 Plus just because it is a bit more versatile in the way that I want to use it with my various devices. If you know that you have no interest in connecting/disconnecting between devices, the S9 might be the better pick.
Backbone should be a D tbh. I had two and my 2nd gen broke on me so I grabbed a GameSir g8 for $66 off amazon while I wait for my abxylute s9 to arrive.
Yup, I had two break on me too, the quality is not what it's made up to be. However, the warranty experience was positive so I'll give 'em that but I'm ready to move on from Backbone until they release new stuff.
I hope someone can release a controller for big camera bumps. I've tried almost everything and still can't find one that fits my phone snug without popping out
What phone do you have? Also, if your phone has accessories that can even out the camera bump, that fixes the issue for most controllers that have a flexible connector like the GameSir ones and EasySMX ones. That or a BSP which is so deep (they are designed to work with Switch too) completely cancels out the issue.
@@GameTechTalk I got the honor magic 6 pro. The camera just doesn't fit in that gap. I tried every gamesir. I thought the x3 pro would work with the movable cooler, even that don't. Same with the M15. I guess I have to try the BSP. Hopefully that will work since it's deep.
It's a steal for $20! That's the one thing with the EasySMX, they list it at 60 but everyone I hear about paid considerably less. But they list it at 60 so that's what I have to refer to. @ $20 regular, that would've been a S for sure ahahahaah!
It's a mix of many things, one aspect is how the X2s BT is in a sub-section that has seen alternatives since, such as the JK02 that pushes its perceived value down. Conversely, the X2s USB-C, often being shown for less in cost than BT, retains all of what makes it great, on top of having overall better performance due to being an immediate connection. I think the performance element could've been mitigated if the X2s BT had been BT 5.2 or 5.3, I don't think GameSir confirms that information as I remember looking for it but I'm pretty sure it's a 5.0 protocol which is from an era where Bluetooth wasn't too focused on latency.
Wow, great explanation! you really are a true expert in that matter. Thanks, im on the fence with this one, the market is really bad in my country so for now I'll get either the x2s or x2s bt na then after some time I'll check what's best, maybe the g8+'s price will be acceptable
@@azzzzuuuu My best advice would be, if you have an iPhone, go X2s BT, because the USB-C model can't be configured on iOS. If you have an android and don't care for Bluetooth, go the USB-C model, it's better in latency and overall reliability, plus no need to charge it. The X2s BT's biggest advantage over USB-C is that it looks so much better! 🤣
I got the razer kishi ultra why? cause itll come to me in 3 days >< The Galileo 8 is what I wanted but I wanted an actual app to use which ios doesnt have unless you choose to use their bluetooth variant. Also cause I live in hawaii itll come to me in early november and I dislike having to wait long. The abxylute s9 is on preorder so Ill even be waiting longer >
If you got the monnies for it, all good, that's really the one major gripe with it, the rest is just preferences or competition coming up with more features over time, etc. I'm excited for the S9 to ship!
Abxylute S9 for £65 or Gamsir G8 Plus for £62? Android phone, but I have a Tab S7 Plus that I might want to use (either in desktop mode or in the controller)
If for you being connected at all times and a 3.5mm jack are important, Abxylute S9 would be the ideal pick. On the other hand, the G8Plus feels as good, and can better fit multiple devices including the Switch. It also provides a better tethered and untethered approach overall.
Help me out as I'm abit confused. Androiid mobile user, enjoy fortnite and have gamepas, and rumble and cooling would be nice. D8 Pro, D10s, MO5, M15 or JK02? What would you be recommending??
Well I would want to ask you how much heat throttling is a problem for you? Because if it's only a little, I'd say go M15. If it's a lot, I'd say that the JK02 is probably your best bet but the sticks are quite aggressive in their curve, you should watch the review I made of it, you'll see what I mean by the sticks being aggressive. Cheers!
@@alexgroves91 Well if you compare M15 vs Memo S3 phone edition, it's literally the exact same controller. If you compare M15 to Memo S3 tablet, it's exactly the same controller except that the Tablet edition supports wider devices and can still work with phone (albeit not as comfortably as the phone edition). They are both great products with the tablet edition just being slightly more versatile but potentially less compatible with a handful of phones.
Controller List: with rating.
[ROG Tessen 110$ 4:19]
Sticks: 5
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 3
Features: 3
Value: 1
USB: Right
Average: 3
Average without Value: 3.5
[GameSir X2s 46$ 6:41]
Sticks: 3
D-Pad: 2
Ergo: 3
Features: 2
Value: 3
USB: -
Average: 2.6
Average without Value: 2.5
[Abyxlute S9 89$ 8:24]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 5
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 4
USB: right
Average: 4.4
Average without Value: 4.5
[EasySMX M10 50$ 10:03]
Sticks: 3
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 3
Features: 4
Value: 3
USB: right
Average: 3.2
Average without Value: 3.25
[GameSir X2 Pro 60$ 11:31]
Sticks: 3
D-Pad: 2
Ergo: 3
Features: 2
Value: 2
USB: right
Average: 2.4
Average without Value: 2.5
[GameSir X2s 46$ 13:31]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 2
Ergo: 3
Features: 4
Value: 4
USB: left
Average: 3.4
Average without Value: 3.25
[BSP D10s 48$ 15:33]
Sticks: 2
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 4
USB: -
Average: 3.6
Average without Value: 3.5
[GameSir G8 80$ 17:34]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 4
Features: 3
Value: 4
USB: right
Average: 3.6
Average without Value: 3.5
[BackBone Gen 1 100$ 18:45]
Sticks: 2
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 3
Features: 3
Value: 2
USB: right
Average: 2.6
Average without Value: 2.75
[EasySMX M05 38$ 21:57]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 4
Ergo: 4
Features: 4
Value: 5
USB: right
Average: 4.2
Average without Value: 4
[JK02 20$ 24:00]
Sticks: 3
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 5
USB: right
Average: 4
Average without Value: 3.75
[BSP D8 Pro 35$ 27:44]
Sticks: 3
D-Pad: 5
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 5
USB: -
Average: 4.4
Average without Value: 4.25
[Razer Kishi Ultra 150$ 29:53]
Sticks: 5
D-Pad: 4
Ergo: 4
Features: 3
Value: 1
USB: right
Average: 3.4
Average without Value: 4
[BSP D9 41$ 31:32]
Sticks: 2
D-Pad: 2
Ergo: 5
Features: 5
Value: 4
USB: -
Average: 3.6
Average without Value: 3.5
[GameSir X3 Pro 41$ 33:35]
Sticks: 3
D-Pad: 4
Ergo: 4
Features: 4
Value: 3
USB: right
Average: 3.6
Average without Value: 3.75
[GameSir G8+ 80$ 38:27]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 5
USB: -
Average: 4.2
Average without Value: 4
[EasySMX M15 60$ 43:00]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 4
Ergo: 4
Features: 4
Value: 4
USB: right
Average: 4
Average without Value: 4
[Memo S3 Tablet 41$ 44:37]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 4
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 5
USB: right
Average: 4.4
Average without Value: 4.2
[Scuf Nomad 100$ 46:28]
Sticks: 5
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 4
Features: 3
Value: 2
USB: -
Average: 3.4
Average without Value: 3.75
[GameSir X2 ?$ 49:00]
Sticks: 2
D-Pad: 2
Ergo: 3
Features: 2
Value: 1
USB: left
Average: 2
Average without Value: 2.25
[GameSir X4 Aileron ?$ 53:01]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 4
Ergo: 3
Features: 4
Value: 3
USB: -
Average: 3.6
Average without Value: 3.75
[GamWing AoBing Max 45$ 54:39]
Sticks: 4
D-Pad: 3
Ergo: 4
Features: 5
Value: 4
USB: right
Average: 4
Average without Value: 4
That is phenomenal work! I'm sure future viewers will appreciate, thanks!
@@GameTechTalk wow nice that you answered even though its an "old" vid
[Best Sticks] (5)
ROG Tessen (avg: 3.0) - $110
Razer Kishi Ultra (avg: 3.4) - $150
Scuf Nomad (avg: 3.4) - $100
[Best D-Pad] (5)
Abyxlute S9 (avg: 4.4) - $89
BSP D8 Pro (avg: 4.4) - $35
[Best Ergonomics] (5)
BSP D9 (avg: 3.6) - $41
[Best Features] (5)
BSP D8 Pro (avg: 4.4) - $35
Memo S3 Tablet (avg: 4.4) - $41
Abyxlute S9 (avg: 4.4) - $89
GameSir G8+ (avg: 4.2) - $80
GamWing AoBing Max (avg: 4.0) - $45
JK02 (avg: 4.0) - $20
BSP D10s (avg: 3.6) - $48
BSP D9 (avg: 3.6) - $41
[Best Value Rating] (5)
BSP D8 Pro (avg: 4.4) - $35
Memo S3 Tablet (avg: 4.4) - $41
GameSir G8+ (avg: 4.2) - $80
JK02 (avg: 4.0) - $20
EasySMX M05 (avg: 4.2) - $38
[Best Overall Average] (4.4)
Abyxlute S9 (avg: 4.4) - $89
BSP D8 Pro (avg: 4.4) - $35
Memo S3 Tablet (avg: 4.4) - $41
[Best Average Without Value] (4.5)
Abyxlute S9 (avg: 4.4) - $89
Thanks about this, save me ton of time 👍🏼
@@tuananhphuong5612 thats why i made it :)
The only reason why backbone got popular was because of how locked down iOS was. It was essentially the only option. And it had the software polish you'd expect from a iPhone associated product.
Apple users are allergic to choice so it was the perfect storm
😂😂😂 "Apple users are allergic to choice so it was the perfect storm" Lil' bro is out there cooking, let 'em cook I say!
You are 💯 correct friend, the Backbone on Apple at the time that it started out was definitely a massive launching pad. Plus, it got featured by Apple themselves quite a few times when they were showcasing gaming on their iPhones!
Because of your vids of the Abxylute S9. I ordered one from the kickstarter. Can't wait to have it. Thanks for covering it!
You have no idea how happy that makes me to know I can help people with my videos. Funny enough, I struggle in my day-to-day to make decisions sometimes so I know how much having data and feedback can help, to know I can do that for others brings a great deal of joy to me. Thanks for sharing!
@GameTechTalk I missed thr kickstarter but still ordered the abxylute as well thanks to your video and used your link.
I ended up buying the Lenevo Y700 tablet and the Memo S3 controller for my next gaming handheld. Look forward to receiving them.
I want a Lenovo Y700 so bad but I'm holding off for now. You're about to have a lot of fun, happy gaming!
your channel so underrated bro, ill always watching your channel for information about gamepad mobile, keep going bro!!
Thanks for this tierlist, it's very informative and helpful! Can I just suggest you keep the name, stats and price of thing you're discussing throughout the length of you talking about it so that viewers don't have to navigate to the start of each section to get that info.
Keep up the awesome work!
That's a good input, I could make them fully visible and keep them slightly translucent after the fact. That's a great suggestion, thank you!
This is SUCH a good video, and watching it, I realized I don't get notified about your content enough. Hit that bell right away!
Thank you so much Humblemud! I greatly appreciate 😊 I can say the same about you, been adding to my wishlist, thanks to your wonderful recommendations. I'll be picking up Decline's Drops very soon in fact! The way you showcased the parallel to Smash Bros totally convinced me!
Man I so happy, I ordered the gamesir x3 pro and I was thinking if it was a good idea, but you made me more secure of my decision, thanks man!
I understand some of the disappointments people may have but the more I've been using it, the more GameSir's direction make sense. And with that hidden wireless mode, it's actually having that newfound appeal for me. I still haven't successfully managed to pair it but hopefully, GameSir hid a button combination to kick it because this thing definitely has that mode, the question is how to pair it with the dongle now!
I got the x2s Bluetooth from watching your videos and I love it. Never had a problem with lag while playing path of titans. Ended up getting it on sale for $40. It’s perfect
Glad that you did and thanks for your trust! I did not experience lag as well, more like some other controllers feel "snappier" though never to the point that the X2s BT feels like I can't keep up with the response time. Thankfully! That would've been terrible. 😅 Cheers!
Have you tried it with streaming of any kind? Like xCloud, Steam Link etc. How is it?
@@acanthoscurriageniculata7141 I have not unfortunately
@@GameTechTalk I got the g8+ a couple days ago, yeah I was wrong the g8plus is perfect😂😂😂😂
@@DamonteJB Welcome to the upgrade friend and wishing you a lot of happy gaming!
Hey man, the truth is I almost never comment on videos, mostly because it’s not easy for me to write in English (it’s my second language and it’s very different from my first) and also because I usually just don’t . But this time I felt I had to. For the past few weeks, I’ve been thinking about buying a gamepad, and I let that idea simmer. Last week, I decided to go for it and started researching. I have to say you’ve really helped me understand the field and what’s best for me. I truly appreciate it. I can’t explain it exactly , but watching you makes it clear you’re a good person. Tomorrow, I’ll finally place my order! I’m going to get the BSP D9 because I’m used to the shape of the PlayStation controller, and it’s the most comfortable for me. I also loved the fact that the joystick, buttons, and gamepad are at a 45-degree angle, unlike almost all the other options, which I find just underneath, there was more considerations in order to choose that one but they aren't exclusive to this option its just that option has them also, anyway I believe that difference will make for a better experience for me.
You’ve exposed me to the field so much that I’m already considering future options. If I buy another one, it will probably be the Galileo G8+ or something similar. But there’s still time for that. Anyway, thank you so much, and I’ll keep following you. I’m already eager for more content! :)
"but watching you makes it clear you’re a good person" My guy, you're going to make me tear up. Your message is so touching to me, you are the embodiment of what I hope to provide to people, thank you so very much for taking the moment to write me this beautiful comment, really!
I'm glad you found the product that will serve your needs, and glad to have been an ally in your decision-making. I think you have the best approach, start with something affordable, that scratches many boxes, get acquainted with the "sport" and you know what? If things continue the way they have, the G8+ will be surpassed in a year's time, maybe even 6 months, who's to say. I'll be there then to share with you the latest and greatest options! :)
I hope to continue to help you determine what your gaming needs are in the future. Cheers!
Very useful video! Thank you
Glad it was helpful, cheers!
This was such a great video. I'm really happy that you're doing another one of these in a few months. I really appreciate you bugging Gamesir about a G8 with a cooler. xD The more time passes and more products come out, the longer my list of demands gets for a perfect telescopic controller and the more excited I get to see what they come up with next. Your enthusiasm definitely rubbed off on me and I'll see you in your next video. :D
Ahh that's such a nice comment! And rest assured, I'll keep dropping the hints! 🤣
Great video man. I learned a lot. Love seeing controller experts break down a bunch of controllers in one videos. This slaps. ❤
Thank you friend! No small feat to be deemed an expert by you, you are one yourself in many ways that I could never!
The BSP-D9 looks awesome. This video came out at the perfect time for me. I've been trying to find a quality handheld experience with the Switch. Mobapad m6 HD's cramp my hands. NYXI Hyperion Pro's fit nicely and I love the stick caps but the controller randomly disconnects too often. Every telescopic controller i saw before this video has the right joystick positioned in a way that's just as silly and unergonomic as the original joycons. The BSP-D8 right stick looks more to the left than center and the D9 looks like the dream for ergonomics and heavy use of the right stick. Thank you so much.
Oh man, sorry to hear about the M6-HDs! Yeah the ergonomic of the D9 is definitely it's strongest aspect and easily a top 3 "ergonomics" leader in the entire line up of products I talked about in this video.
@@GameTechTalk hi, which are the other 2 on the top 3?
@@比卡超-g5w 56:54
Gamesir G8/G8+ is the only controller that you should buy
yep, they are just above of all others but you have to feel it in your hand.
Definitely two "can't go wrong" options. I do think GameSir shook the market so hard that a lot of manufacturers took the blueprint and finally woke up. I get what you're saying, also there are a lot of new players that shouldn't be ignored and it's moving at turbo speed right now!
Bsp d10s
@TVCHLORD not true I have the Easysmx m15 and it's ABSOLUTELY wonderful and cheap at $30
And refuse to elaborate?
Thanks for putting value as one of the criteria. Now we see that higher price doesn't automatically translate to best experience. Maybe the build quality is top notch, but if I can't enjoy using them, I'm not sure that's a good buy for me. On the flip side, cheap controllers might be the best solution since I commute everyday. If it breaks/lost, at least it's only the controller and not my wallet lol.
Maybe I'd buy the premium one to use at home, and buy some BSPs for gaming sessions on train/ bus, that seems a good plan.
I think that is a great idea. To paraphrase, you have people that always take the same sandwich at McDonald's, then you have the ones that like to alternate from time to time, try the limited edition items. Nothing wrong with being happy with what you like, I believe that I always get closer to knowing what I like by allowing myself to diversify.
The solution you mentioned by having a premium and BSPs for your commute is an opportunity to do exactly that, diversify. By doing so, you'll have a better grasp of what you definitely prefer down the road, at least that's how I think! Cheers :)
Great list, some interesting thoughts on some controllers im interested in getting. Just a quick note i thibk the image you have for the d8 pro is actually the nornal d8 :)
Argghh!! I keep making mistakes with that controller! 😅 Pretty sure I did one in the previous tier list too. Thanks for pointing it out and for the kind words too! :)
A great great banger of a video with short notes of pros and cons about each one, man it was really enjoyable. But is it enough to satisfy me? Nahh. Keep bringing more of the good stuff Klef.
Ahahaha! My favorite comment so far. No lie, I love to take on a challenge. Duly noted my guy, I'll keep 'em coming, thanks for the kind words!
feature wishlist for future releases:
- telescopic/traditional length hybrid
- retractable usb c output (for less latency for mobile and switch compatibility)
- mechanical face buttons (just because i havent tried this one yet lol)
but first, let me find myself a game to play.
I think those are great wishlists and though the third already exists in telescopic controllers, the first two I'd happily get behind, with the third being part of.
That's real what u said about the x2s Bluetooth I wanted another controller ASAP
It's a fun controller but not a "my everything" controller. At least I don't believe so, and it seems you felt the same!
I actually finally dug through some of my brother's things recently that were sitting around and found an old 2019 tablet he barely used that's strong enough to run Dreamcast, so this video came at a good time for me.
That's awesome! Not gonna lie, a part of me hopes you might find some save games in there? 🥹 Cheers bud!
Great video dude very thorough and easy to listen to
Thanks Aish, glad to hear as such. That was the idea with this one, the kind of video you leave on a screen while making dinner and glance from time to time.
Could you answer some questions for me? Does the Gamesir X3 Pro connect to an iPhone 16 Pro Max with a case? It would be good if you addressed this issue in your videos, which of them support the device using a case. Is there any possibility of pairing this controller via Bluetooth on iOS? And about the cooler, how many degrees does it lower the temperature of the cell phone?
This video is designed as a "quick feedback", I have a hands-on and full review video on the X3 Pro where I address the exact concern that you had. In the meantime, I am happy to confirm the information you are looking for, the X3 Pro will not work nicely with a case, as in the connector is not long enough for a stable connection, let alone one at all.
If you prefer to not remove your phone from your case, which I totally understand, I would advise against the X3 Pro as this will be a problem guaranteed. Your two other questions are also answered in the videos I made of this device. Cheers!
@@GameTechTalk I watched all your videos from the X3 Pro, the thing is that I'm Brazilian and I can't understand the English in the video very well, so I asked the question, is there a UBS C to UBS C extender? About Bluetooth, it doesn't work on iOS in any way?
@@jojomortal Sadly, there are no extenders, maybe someone could come up with a system but that would be in the DIY territory. The Bluetooth won't work no. Not to play games, just to change the settings of the controller. Cheers and thanks for watching!
@@GameTechTalk Please answer a big question for me, only you can answer this question because you are the only one who knows these controls. Could you test if it is possible to mirror the iPhone screen and use this Gamesir X3 Pro controller at the same time using only the USB input of the controller?
Nice video. The amount of effort you put to make this video should be intensely high... wonder which one works best for playing PUBG mobile on Galaxy S24 ultra?
Yeah those videos are extremely time consuming but it does help that the data is captured from being an enthusiast in the market space, and reviewing all those other products
Yeeeeeeeeeees!!! This is the video i was waiting for!
Ahhhh!! I am soooo happy to release that one!! I know it helps a lot of people decide what to go for so I hope this gets shared to as many viewers as possible. Thanks for all your support!!
Ive got my hands on the G8 recently. I gotta say that its a slight bump in experience from the previous controllers. Now I wanna try the Abxylute so bad
Hey MinKiu410 ! You've been on a controller journey, I love that for you!! So from what I understand, the G8 is your top now? What would you say is your second in line?
Got two G8s (one modded for the S9 Ultra tabelt--you are right it is the BIDNESSSZ; one modded for my Pixel Phone with a case). I'm looking foreard to the G8+ for vertical shooters on S9 Ultra. Awesome video man thanks for sharing the love on gaming on tablets and phones.
Ahh that comment brings me joy. And thanks for clicking and watching the video gamer friend! Cheers
I thought the memo s3 tablet version have problems with phone camera bump? Wouldn’t that make it incompatible with a lot of newer phones?
That will vary per phones but I also would recommend picking up a case that even out the camera bump in which case it won't be a problem at all, like you can see when I used my RedMagic, that was a perfect fit.
Thank you for the amazing content bro! Been glued to your channel🔥 I am stuck at the moment though, I would love a G8 but its out of my budget - so I have been looking at 3 models that are available here in South Africa and need desperate help picking one lol. The EasySMX M05, the easySMX M15 & the Aobing Max. I can get the aobing max and M05 for the same price - then the M15 is about a third of the price more.
I like the idea of having a deck style controller like the M05 for my phone but idk if getting a traditional style will be better.
Alternatively, is it better to save up longer to get the G8+?
Ahh thanks for the kind words! Personally, I'd say the M15 is worth holding for. In order of preference:
G8+ > M15 > M05 > AoBing . The one thing that could make the AoBing take more space for you is the 3.5mm but you sacrifice rumble in the mix. Also when talking rumble, the M05 has shown to not have as great compatibility as the M15, don't know why. Ultimately, the M15 is a superior experience, especially if you play first-person shooter games. It can also poll higher and while it may not have as many options as the G8+, it's still extremely close for what it does, the G8+ just ultimately does more.
If you have no intentions of plucking the controller on a tablet, the M15 is putting you very close without charging you the uplift in price. I hope this helps, cheers!
Kudos, Sir Klef! Great tier list as always.
I would like to add that the G8+ can be deemed S+ in countries like the Philippines where it can be purchased with the dongle at around 47 usd (other Filipinos might be here too and this might help them).
GEEZUS!!!!! 47USD WITH the dongle?!?! Smh, I'm a bit jealous, I'd jump on the recolors in a heartbeat at that price. Thanks for sharing, hopefully that can help people as you mentioned! 😊
Firstly, this is "the" list and your work on telescopic controllers is the best in TH-cam. I want to ask, for bluetooth controllers. How long can a phone go before charging it when it is connected with bluetooth. I will decide according to that info to buy a controller with a bluetooth or only usb-c connection.
Way to boost my ego!! Thank you so very much for the kind words wow!
It would heavily depend on the game but I would say most modern flagship phones would be able to give you at least 5 hours on a full charge and with a healthy battery, and if not more. And that's when playing "more demanding" games on the App Store / Play Store, there are probably a few exceptions out there like say RE Village on iPhones but if we're talking proper "mobile" games, it'd be a safe bet.
On less demanding games, it can be much much more!
Edit: I should also add that phones usually have a much better "fast charging" solution than most so you can also get 50% within 15-30mins of charging on most flagships for another 2-3 hours of gaming.
@@GameTechTalk Thank you very much for the detailed answer.
thanks to this channel I'm waiting for my first telescopic controller to arrive (bsp d10s for 35)
You are the N1 youtuber dedicated to controller!
Wow I greatly appreciate that, thank you! Let me know how much fun you're having once you get it if you have the chance, cheers!
Do you think you can cover the crkd Neo s?
I don't think Crkd sees value in creators of my size. Or maybe they do and I'm the one they'd rather not collab with, who's to say. If I buy a Crkd product, they double the price, half for the product, the other half for shipping. Due to that reason, I have no intention of purchasing Crkd products for my personal self.
My apologies.
Long form format going 🤙 to get a lot of details
🫡 You know!
Bruh the EasySMX M15 is a secret S tier
KappaHD! It's definitely one of those that leaned more towards S and B for me, hence why the Tablet edition actually powered through!
Great vid dude! What would you recommend for a 12" tablet (Poco Pad to be specific)? G8 Plus, D8 Pro, or Memo S3?
G8 Plus is the better option for tablets. At 12", the Memo S3 tablet probably won't fit even. If you go for the S3 or D8 Pro, take your measurements first because I don't think any of them will work. Cheers!
@@GameTechTalk Thanks for the reply bud, keep up the great content!
Just got the AO Bing, thank you sir
With pleasure friend!
It would be amazing if you could add portability to your ratings. The Abxylute and G8+ are incredible controllers, but I can't easily throw them in a large jacket pocket when I want to go somewhere without a bag. I bet that's one of the reasons Backbone continues to sell so well. Do you have a small form factor controller recommendation for iOS?
That's a great suggestion, I'm taking note of it, thank you! For small form-factor, the EasySMX M05 is probably my top currently with the JK02 having some appeal as well.
Thank you for the video.
I have a Razer Ultra Kissy and a scuf nomad, and I have ordered a s9.
Please let me know the model name of the game controller in 58:01, and if there is a link to see related information, please let me know.
It looks awesome doesn't it? Unfortunately, it won't be released before 2025 according to the maker. It will be called the BSP N02, I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for that one!
@@GameTechTalk That's right! bsp n02 has all the features I want. I have another reason to live until 2025. lol
My manba 1 and kk3 pro game boy retro color is my personal favorite controller
You got good tastes!
I went with the S9 because of your videos 😂 i was hesitating with the G8 + but i think the S9 gives you a bit more for your money in term of features and i like that we can buy new plates and new sticks/pads thru their website as well. And the S9 also has bluetooth connection so we're still able to play games like cod mobile.
Thanks for your trust! The G8+ and S9 is an incredibly difficult debate to have because really, there is such a fine line that defines which I would say I prefer and quite frankly, I might have different answers on different days but it all boils down to how one does most of their gaming. If you are tethered to your phone/tablet, then it's a no brainer, the S9 it is.
Lately, I've been finding myself doing a mix of tethered and untethered a lot and that's where the G8+ takes the lead for me. Either way, they both are phenomenal options and Abxylute also has a fantastic software solution, which leads me to believe they are laying down a foundation from which to build from. Such a brilliant solution already as it is, I'm already excited for what the future might bring!
@@GameTechTalk oh yeah both devices have their own pros definitely. If i was a huge switch gamer maybe i would've consider the G8+ more but for the most part i always end up playing with the switch docked so. Either way it is nice to see how far the tech as gone with these devices. Keep up the great content btw 🤙
Awesome content as always...
🧐🤯😎🙃🤔
Thanks Gregory! :)
@@GameTechTalk Indeed...🙌🙌🙌
I really like the GS Galli G8+ but man I wish the thumbsticks had a little more tension or a way to adjust the tension....They feel a bit loosey goosey sometimes lol or maybe a way to adjust the curve via software, that'd be sweet!
That sure would be nice to see this feature in telescopic controllers. Hopefully over time! Would be a great reason for Flydigi to re-enter the space!
That Astro Bot controller is a treasure
You got taste is all I can say! 🫡
Some Value Calcs using your categories (stick,d-pad,ergo,features) getting an average divide by the prise x1000 (better readable)
and we call it rValue (realValue)
The Best Value Controller
1. JK02 rValue: 187.50
2. BSPD8 Pro rValue: 121.43 points,
So the JK02 wins this by far.
That is phenomenal work! I'm sure future viewers will appreciate, thanks!
I recently bought the Gamesir G8+ from Amazon, at a discount of €62. I think that for this price it's really the best choice. Unfortunately, I have to wait a few more days before it gets here. But at least I know I made the right choice, also thanks to this video of yours.
Great choice indeed and thanks for the kind words!
@GameTechTalk I also saw that you made a video specifically about the features of the g8+. When it comes to me, I'll definitely watch it.
I discovered your channel yesterday and I can already tell you that you do a really great job here on TH-cam. You're very knowledgeable and you've certainly helped a lot of people make informed purchases.
@GameTechTalk Sorry if I bother you, but I have a problem with the controller, which I got today. I can't connect my phone using PS4/iOS mode. I use a Samsung and with the Android mode it connects right away, but it doesn't have vibration. So I'd like to use PS4 mode, but in this case the phone can't find the device.
@@NessunoNessuno-j8i Thanks, that's very kind of you to say. It's all a very complex balancing act so if it comes out right, it means I'm in the right direction. Thank you so much!
@@NessunoNessuno-j8i To kick in the PS Mode, it's the capture button plus the right most face button. It should come up in Bluetooth as the "DS4 Wireless controller" if I recall. You may have to unpair previously connected PS controllers as it could cause conflict. Cheers! Edit: No bother at all, I'm happy to help, cheers!
I'm going with Tessen
You found what you like, no problems with that. Cheers and thanks for watching!
56:55 full list with names
Thanks, as well as specific links (reviews & buy link) of each controllers in the description if needed. Thank you all for watching!
Another additional question, I saw that the memo s3 tablet comes with a cooler to attach. Do you know if the abxylute s9 can be attached to a cooler or if it cannot be used in conjunction with a cooler?
It cannot be used with the Memo S3 cooler, I can say that much. The Memo S3 cooler specifically fits the railing system's backing that they have, which I haven't seen other controllers have exactly the same. There may be other accessory solutions like it but if there is, I haven't come in contact with them.
I love Bsp because they keep improving with each model
I agree
Hi! Would you recommend Kishi v1? I want something portable that can fit in my jacket’s pocket to go on the subway and I saw it for 20 bucks. The rest seem too big to be able to do it, needing a backpack. Thank you!
For $20, I don't see why not to be honest. It's a reliable product and one of the better offerings from Razer in my humble opinion. Cheers!
@ Thanks a lot!
I'm looking for a controller for my iPad 11-inch. I'm deciding between the Memo S3 Tablet and the Galileo G8+. However, I'm torn because I don't want the hassle of getting an extender for the G8+.
No need for the extender, it's cool to have but it's not mandatory, watch this: th-cam.com/video/OeapSjwUptQ/w-d-xo.html
that BSPD8 Pro might be my pick for my uses
A very fine solution indeed! I don't know how much telescopic gaming you've done in the past but the D8 Pro is definitely one that can effectively sell the concept to newcomers and seasoned gamers alike. A force to be reckoned with, without breaking the bank.
Let me know what you think if you do get it! Cheers :)
Maybe this sounds a bit off topic, but it does relate to some models on the list (for example the gamesir x4). Have you thought about doing reviews of cell phone coolers that fit with this type of models, because Telescopic Game Controllers are booming, but the heat generated can be a long-term problem that affects the life of the equipment. Because I have seen a large category of these and well it is difficult to say which one... or that it is really good and does not break down after a week of use?
I might do a compile video at some point where rather than testing that aspect of a specific controller, I pin multiple in one video and make that specific subject the center of it but that's not in the production timeline for now. More of a "maybe down the road" kind of idea.
Is the wireless only of the Gamsir G8+ a concern if I'm playing older NES games that rely on quick input lag? Would you reccomend that I go with a wired option in that use case? Thank you!
Retro gaming is notoriously challenging because emulators have inputs on top of the controllers themselves. With bluetooth 5.3 and how robust GameSir's implementation is, I gotta say, they really make it so that I don't experience a difference between wired and wireless, that's not to say that there is not maybe an extra 5ms in the mix but it's not substantial enough that I'd feel as though the convenience comes at a sacrifice.
I hope this helps, cheers!
@@GameTechTalk It helps a lot, thanks!
Im confused about your GamWing AoBing Max comment, you say it converts USB-C to audio and others dont, than what others do?
Isnt it what the audio jack supposed to do? to take USB-C audio from the phone and convert it to analog to plug-in headphones?
Yes but it's a different protocol. And that protocol is only active when you are connected (and using) that specific device whereas AoBing could be connected bluetooth to your PC, while still capturing the audio from the USB-C plugged into your phone and outputted to the 3.5mm jack. Other devices that have both bluetooth and wired don't do that.
I explain it a bit more into the AoBing review but quite frankly, I would recommend to not put too much thought into it, it's gonna be a useless feature for 99.9% of people to be honest. It was just surprising to see on a controller.
i love my GameSir x4 for portability, but i miss the easy way to map buttons on my G8, for some reason it glitches the maping function by bluetooth.
I'll try to do some more mapping gaming with it soon, I use it from time to time but I must come clean, I don't play a lot of games that require mapping at the moment! I was playing Archero 2 but because it's a portrait game, I didn't bother bringing a controller into it!
@@GameTechTalk maybe it could be my game that doesnt allow wireless debugging, the game is Metal Slug Awakening. Just like Fortnite, that won't launch unless you turn off wireless debugging
At the moment I'm torn between the G8 plus or EasyXMS M15. From aliexpress I can get the G8 plus for around EUR 55 and the M15 for EUR 33. Considering one is almost costing twice the other, is it worth going for the G8? I have the Gamesir X2s Bluetooth at the moment and my experience with Gamesir has been satisfactory, so quite unsure between the two 😅 any feedback would be appreciated! 😊
The M15 is a pretty rich experience overall, as long as you remain tethered. I think your answer lies in this question: "Would you like to use it untethered at all?"
If so, then your best bet is paying more and going for the G8Plus because that one will give you the ability to stick your phone/tablet in and out while keeping your gaming unaltered. It's a pretty massive advantage to the ones who do.
I'm genuinely humbled you made the time to reply to my comments, thanks mate appreciate it! Been going through your videos the last couple of days and boy are they a pleasure to watch. Big thanks!
Yeah, I'm sold on the G8+, I think 😅. In addition to what you said, I've read that the M15 has a gazillion microswitches, face buttons and all. And I game whilst holding a newborn on my chest during the night. It would drive me and anyone in the room crazy. Even the bumpers in the X2s are bit loud for my liking, let alone a whole gamepad of the sort. Am I mistaken in the assessment? 😅
Once again, lovely work man. You got a sub! 😊
@@alangrixti3529 Ahh thanks for subbing friend and indeed, the G8+ is one of the more silent controllers in the entire current market (except the d-pad, it's a tad noisy but not crazy either) so there's another aspect that may help you decide. Cheers!
What is best for using with full size iPad Pro? Hoping there’s an option stock to fit the large size
Personally, I'd go for the G8Plus, it's just the most pleasant to take in and out of a large sized tablet like the iPad Pro. It also gives you the freedom of positioning it as you see fit. It's pretty much a no brainer to me to be honest, It's nearly the only pick in that list because of how much better that it is at that specific use-case.
@ are the L and R controllers hardwired through the body, or do they communicate to each other wirelessly?
The BSP getting high ranking 😮 I might try them next
Yup, all things considered, they do the job and for an extremely affordable price!
The only one of these I own is the X2 Pro. Mine still works perfectly. I still really like it and use it often. That said; I get why you rated it a "C" in today's market. I will say that there was a time when it was an S-tier unit and it certainly won me over to the GameSir family.
I'm happy, happy, happy that I stuck around to the end of the video. That GameStop Galileo rebadge is absolutely gorgeous. I love the PlayStation-esq buttons and the red trim. It appears to be the sexiest version of the G8G. I've bought other GameStop branded accessories before. I can be a bit of a brand snob about certain things; however, to me the GameStop brand is A-OK, Dr. Jones. I hope this unit will be sold in their brick and mortar stores. I wouldn't be shocked if I'm able to nab one for around X2S pricing not that long after launch.
Oh yeah, the X2 Pro when it fresh released was definitely the pinnacle.
That was during an era that the competition was Backbone One and Kishi V1 / V2 and a bunch of unreliable alternatives from China. I really like the Raptor's look. In fact, it's what the RedMagic color layout should've been as far as I am concerned.
@@GameTechTalk - It's funny that RedMagic accessories by and large aren't red. Even their phones don't use much red anymore. They might as well call themselves "BlackMagic" at this point.
@@mattdavis9601 BlackMagic sounds like an R&B song from the 2000! 😅 Totally agree with you that it doesn't make much sense these days!
yo for the x4 its a xbox mobile controller does it have steam link and ps remote play?
The X4 can be used to operate Steam Link but not Remote Play, so you need to get an app called PSPlay, that one will work better than Remote Play even but it's not free, it costs like $5USD.
Ehi, nice video. I have many of these controllers, but i must "contest" you on something you said. I have the scuf controller paired with my iphone, i have put it in a drawer for *several* weeks, because i was using the G8+ (which is better, but more cumbersome), but the battery is still about 80%, not dead at all, not even close.
Please contest to your heart's content! That means mine is definitely defective and I have grounds to reach out to Scuf, thank you very much for your comment cause this is a serious problem and it's been from day one, been charged no more than half a dozen times. Again, thanks a lot!
@@GameTechTalk Yeah, of course! I hope i have not presented myself in a negative way, i was trying to be helpful, i enjoy your content a lot, it simply was something i noticed.
And i do hope they change it, because if yourse discharges so fast on its own its absolutely defective.
I never noticed that behaviour even when i purchased it, and i kept updating it with the scuf software, it never behaved that way, so perhaps yes, yours is faulty and deserve a replacement, especially because it's not a cheap controller.
@@skreeog No no not at all! As I said in the video, I'm a giver, I drop long comments ahahaha! You genuinely helped me, I thought it was weird but it's not unlike something I had never seen but if yours don't do that and mine does, it means there's something abnormal. Don't worry friend, I'm not bitter like that ahahahh!
Is the phone very secure in these controllers? If you used them lying on your side, would it likely fall out in most/all of these models?
For the most part yes, the stretch mechanism also constrict when tightening on phones so for a phone, it's pretty much impossible for them to come out, if you were to go past the typical use, like nudging a tablet (which I often do 😅), some of those controllers I wouldn't dare use while laying on my back as the last thing I'd want is a tablet falling on my face ahahah!
@@GameTechTalk Lol I see, thank you for the reply man, love the video! I'm going for the Memo S3 Tablet as my first device, many thanks to you.
A fair warning to people who are interested in X2s bluetooth...the controller randomly turns off mid game in DS4 mode on the latest firmware. It could be a major issue for people with iOS devices. I did try downgrading the firmware, it didn't fix the issue sadly
I wasn't aware of this issue, thanks for bringing it forward for viewer to be aware. Hopefully GameSir will fix this soon with a new firmware.
Does the G8+ support phones with large camera modules? Because I see it listed as S tier almost everywhere I check but they don't mention that aspect....although I think I saw somewhere that when they put a samsung s24 ultra in it it didn't fit properly due to the thickness of the camera module. Could you confirm this?
Yes and no, no because I don't have the S24 Ultra but I do have a Galaxy Z Fold 4 that has a very similar array of camera placement. When you crack it open, the cameras will not all fit into the cove that gets created by stretching the controller, so you would need to remove the little tab and with that removed, you're good to go. With that said, because the G8+ has complete case compatibility, my preferred approach (and what I do with my phone) is that I have a case that makes the camera module flush to the case. It's very common to prevent the cameras from being damaged from a fall or something.
With that on, you never have to worry about the tab, I like that approach best personally.
bro need help I'm thorn between g8+ vs x4 aileron can you give me a recommendation what is the best between the two?
thanks in advance
The X4 Aileron is great but something you should pick specifically if after the unique features it has, being split, having the ability to merge touch and control inputs and the ability to stick a cooler down the middle. If those do not have specific appeal, the choice should immediately be G8+. Cheers!
Thank you for your videos!
Have you come across any telescopic controllers that fit an iPad Mini 7 with the ability to redirect gyro to sticks?
A bigger version of the X3 Pro (X3 Pro Plus) or a G8 Plus with Somatosensory unlocked would be perfect!
Hey! As a matter of fact, I have, and I even made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/CwFnWTvnWV8/w-d-xo.html :) The Abxylute S9, the BSP D8 Pro and D9 can all redirect gyro to sticks. I would recommend the Abxylute S9 in first position. Oh and they all work for the iPad Mini 7. Cheers!
Mmm, I don't know should I spend my money to gamesir x3 pro, or should I first try jk02 😢
My sd gen 1 phone is too hot for a controller without a cooler
The sticks on the JK02 just have a bit of a learning curve if you're playing shooters but it's actually quite easy to adjust to. That said, the X3 Pro definitely have better sticks and just a superior controller overall. If you spend A LOT of time gaming on your phone, I'd say go X3 Pro, as the saying goes: "Pay once, cry once". If you don't, go JK02, it'll give you 6 months to a year easy and by the time you feel ready for a new one, it'll have more options on the market to choose from.
@@GameTechTalk Great advice bro. Just ordered x3 pro. I'm NOT EVEN A MOBILE GAMER XD
But I bought a new phone with sd 8 gen 1, it heats a lot, and now I'm into emulators and Steam streaming (which is impossible to play on the screen). Will see if I'm even gonna game, cause I play OW2 competitively on PC :P
@@SHUTENSEPC Let me know how you like it when you get it! Cheers
@@GameTechTalk of course! BTW you're the best channel about controllers on YT that I've found by a long shot, keep it up :)
So there is Memo S3 Bluetooth at aliexpress. What would you recommend between this and g8+?
Unless I'm misunderstanding, the Memo S3 with Type-C does have bluetooth, is that what you are referring to? Or do you mean a new model with no Type-C and a battery to use wirelessly? Because the Memo S3 has Bluetooth 5.0 which is definitely not as good as G8Plus, not comparable in terms of performance and reliability. Bluetooth on the Type-C Memo S3 is more of a convenience thing than a solution you'd want to use regularly.
But if you mean a new Memo S3, maybe they improved the bluetooth revision.
@@GameTechTalk nope, im talking about a new bluetooth version. Some ali listings have updated their memo s3 variants, and now some of them include a regular one, tablet one and bluetooth one (and picture does not have a type-c connector), but there are no reviews at the moment for this variant
@@Gundemonium Interesting, thanks for mentioning it!!
Uh, sorry for the second message. Could you explain better the "secret xbox mode", please? i do have a tarantula AND a G8+, you're saying i could use the g8+ with the tarantula dongle on my pc as an xbox controller? Could you elaborate?
Yup, you absolutely can, and no worries for the second message, word on the street is the algorithm loves it! 😂 I would refer you to this video where I go more in-depth about this function: th-cam.com/video/Rf8nsk1nEeo/w-d-xo.html
That ought to give you the info you're looking for but in a nutshell, capture button + left most face button will kick in that green light, when under that blinking light? You can pair with the dongle and effectively use your controller with 2.4Ghz rather than Bluetooth, crazy right? Unfortunately, it didn't give me 1000Hz with the G8+ but I think someone in the comment said it did. Cheers!
That Elo Vagabond stands out to me, i just wish they made a tablet version also....
The "overly gaming" aesthetic is usually indicative of one of two things, they completely nailed the ergonomics OR they overdid it and it's too excentric for its own good. I'm willing to put my money on the first option but I'll test it out first hand very soon. You got me excited for it just now, thanks!
@@GameTechTalk Ergonomics can be improved in my opinion. Lots to learn after our first product :). The app is being improved weekly as well. Just playing catchup at thsi point but lots of people love the controller!
Which one best for an ipad less latancy that can be attached with a case pla pls help
The G8+, despite being bluetooth, has an incredibly low level of latency, I would suggest that one primarily. If not, there are a few tablet options but most require modding of some kind unless you are using one of the smaller iPad (iPad Mini essentially). Which iPad would you be using with a controller?
@@GameTechTalkipad pro 11 m4 still g8+?
@@PInoyHenyoRito Oh yeah, for sure!
May I ask why is the d8 better than the 9 and 10?
It's just a little more of everything compared to the other two. Feels better in quality, slightly more features, same price if not less, stretches wider. Yeah, I'd say it's just better rounded overall.
The X4 was a no brainer for me. I directly ordered it after seeing it here. A is enough for me :) Had a Kishi and EasySMX15 before it. Could not use them with my Case.. THis one i can use with a Case and still charge with Wireless Charging (ok it may get a biut hotter and may even drain while playing..).
The one thing i miss is the feature to use it as a PC Controller... so i would only need this one on the go to pair it with my notebook. But my PC won't find it.
There is supposed to be a hidden mode to connect to PC as joycons. Can't remember what the shortcut is, GameSir + X I think. There's a few videos covering it on the platform. Cheers!
@GameTechTalk Ahh thank you! I found it after searching a bit. Can switch between modes witch xbox + A for Android and xbox + B for Xinput. For around 55€ this thing is crazy good :)
What exactly i the difference between GameSir X3-Type C and GameSir X3-PRO ?
Bit of a design change, more features such as rumble and gyro. Maybe not worthy of an upgrade if you have an X3 but definitely a greater option if you are looking to get one of the two.
@@GameTechTalk after all I've pulled the trigger on an Abxylute s9 and I hope I won't miss the cooler :( Most of the reviewers point out the Redmagic 10 pro is handling temps really well so.. fingers crossed!
Klef do any of these coolers actually do something OBJECTIVELY? Not just cool the back . But better cpu or battery temps?
Oye @Drivenby! It's been a minute!! Yes absolutely. They can do both actually, if we think of cooling in a PC case, it's hard to understand how those coolers do help but cellphones, being mroe often than not passively cooled, it's a "closed" pocket of temperature that builds up inside. Plus, everything is so compact.
By applying cool from the outside, it actually does make a sometimes shocking difference to the overall temperature of the components. That said, not every cooler are as efficient. The Memo S3 cooler is form than it is function, to stay polite hehehe!
I can't decide between the X3 Pro and the G8 Plus, I saw that both are in the same price range, but the X3 Pro has cooling
I will use the controller with my S23 Ultra
Do you keep your phone in case because if going X3 Pro, keep in mind that the controller will only work if you remove it off of the case.
Which one to buy jk02 or bsp d10s?
Dilemmas dilemmas! Let me know if I can help with your decision, cheers!
So i would like to get a controller for my kids but the key category for me is that the controller fits a case. The backbone v2 seems slammed in this review but is there anything else worth it that fits a case? Its black friday week so plenty of discounts. Cheers all
You're looking specifically on Amazon? Or you're opened to AliExpress as well? Any price limit, must-have features? I'll come up with a suggestion or two. Cheers!
Yes Amazon and was taking advantage of black friday as in UK there are some good discounts on the higher tier controllers. Really with my kids being pre teenagers just looking to not have to take off their cases which drew me to backbone v2 but I have never actually seen any units to make a judgement which drew me to all of your reviews. Excellent BTW!
@@jameshampsonuk I would recommend the GameSir X2s. Here's why, fairly long protruding USB-C so case removal shouldn't be necessary. It's wired so no: "Dad, it's not working" because they haven't connected Bluetooth 🤣. No USB-C breaking because it flexes. It's small, great for smaller hands.
It's got all the necessary tools and no software where you can join chatrooms (Backbone has that feature).
You probably can tell I'm a Dad too ahahahh! From experience, yup the X2s to introduce children would be perfect, plus it's got bright and lively colors too!
Hello, i have a question. I ordered G8+ for my Lenovo y700 2023 tablet and it has second USB-C on a side. How it gonna work if i connect G8+ to Y700 using short type c - type c cable? Will it still consume battery / charge something or just work as non Bluetooth wired controller?
P.s. I ordered it from China so it gonna take a few weeks to ship, so can't test now. Well, at least 40$ looks like real value deal lol.
Technically, based off of what I recall from the software, there is no "power only" mode meaning that by playing wired, which you can do btw, the controller will be powered by the phone, but would technically also charge the battery at the same time, based off of how much power is being sent from your phone.
So the result is more dependant on the phone/tablet than anything else as not every device output the same power from their port. And yes, $40 for a G8+ is a steal!
I have to disagree with the BSP D8 Pro being S tier, it's still a good controller for the money but there are some key issues.
The main being the ergonomics and button placements which in general just cause me to lag when playing more action intensive games, I just can't move freely and am distracted by how it's just that much un free flowing when it comes to moving your fingers around and pressing buttons.
To be specific, the grip is an issue. My hands aren't locked in like holding most controllers/portables, my little fingers are not locked so that means a loose uncomfortable grip.
Best way to test grip is just to hold the controller with 1 hand and you will feel that you cannot manage the weight of the tablet, even a phone will slide out of your grip.
I have an old, pretty basic cheap controller and I put in my biggest heaviest tablet and I can still maintain grip due to the shape of the controller.
Also the Switch can pop out slightly with 1 hand as the controller doesn't lock onto it with enough of the plastic lip so if you don't notice it, the Switch can fall out and hit the floor.
Due to the shape and grip, it is also very hard to use the D-pad as the main input, I'm forced to use the stick to play platformers as the Dpad feels awkward to use, I can only use it as option buttons in other games.
Moving the D-pad very quickly left and right is also awkward feeling, a bit too loud and harsh metal on plastic feedback that takes you out of the game.
The analog sticks are too small but tbh it's easily solvable with buying thumb covers for the Switch, not a perfect fit but improves the control to a point it's not an issue but it still counts against the product as it comes.
Not even taking into account the small quality control issues (inconsistent feel on buttons) and general noob friendliness outside the box (eg. bad instructions, have to research how to turn off terribly distracting RGB, ABXY buttons are reversed on Switch out of the box and you need to learn how to change that instead of it doing it automatically.)
Ultimately, with the thumbstick mod I would class this as a B tier overall for Switch, maybe it will feel better on a phone but the ergonomic feel is just not good enough to be A or better.
Your comment is a perfect reflection of the plight of a reviewer. I get your stance, I sincerely do. I have to remind myself that I'm not only making these videos for people that value stick quality, that's why the D8 Pro is S-tier in the list, because it will achieve so much for so many people that simply do not care for what many of the better options have over the D8 Pro.
The D8 Pro can still be used on tablets, on phones, with Switch, on PC, you can use gyro, have rumble, there's so little that this controller cannot do but I agree that what it does, it certainly doesn't do as good as the S-tiers in the list, that's where each product has their strength but I can't deny the D8 Pro of it's greatest assets, it's value and the versatility that it provides for it.
Thanks for your inputs, I really enjoyed reading your perspective. Cheers!
can do a tier list for large tablet controllers? 12 inch. about 290mm length
Interesting idea, I might consider it, thanks for the suggestion!
Quick question, somewhere I heard gamesir x3 pro only supports android phones with Qualcomm processors? Is it true? Won't support pixel with tensor?
I haven't been aware of such a predicament but I would be a bit surprised if being honest. As far as I know, controller support API are part of the Android OS and not so much the chipset. I guess nothing's impossible but I would be extremely surprised to learn that this is indeed the case.
I just got the g8+ for $50, it’s been great so far. Just panicked when i couldn’t pair it to my phone, turns out you have to hold the pairing button 😅. But the switch and android mode works out of the box.
50$ for the G8+ is a mega steal, gg on scoring that deal!
Just got the Galileo G8+ but I need something with a better D-pad for retro, fighters and tony hawk. Think I'll check out that BSP D8 Pro.
Great pick and yeah, seems like you have the same gripe with the G8+ as I do myself. Cheers!
I had gotten a backbone this year actually and within a year like 5 months orso the right side of the controller stopt working correctly and after some research its seems to be a common issue
I had two Backbone do exactly what you describe, though the warranty experience was positive, I can give 'em that. Out of warranty I wouldn't know, have you tried reaching out to them?
@@GameTechTalk I am planning to send it out for repair, but at the same time, I am also looking into getting one of the Gamesir G8 controllers. I like the USB-C version, but the Bluetooth version has more features. However, there is also the Abxylute S9 to consider
@@WubstahWulf Ahh the plight that is having too many options ahah! Cheers and happy gaming!
First Pick for Me
GameSir X-4 Aileron...
RgB...Volume controls + -...Mixed Touch / LefT or Right Controller... Behave like JoyCon by switching Mode... works with Android / ios / PC / N-Switch...
Perfect for the Pimax Portal 5.5" RaZeR Edge 6.8"...
Second...
BsP D8 Bluetooth Controller (Sky Black or / and Star Space White Edition) Best looking printed graphic texture design...RgB...Rumble...Nice fits those 8 inches Tablet...
Also, Perfect for the Pimax Portal 5.5" RaZeR Edge 6.8", Lenovo Legion Y700 2023 8.8" Tablets... Sure... ipad Mini 6...7...
😎🙃🥸🧐🤓🤯
Ahh I love this comment. Well, I certainly can't deny that you are consistent in your preferences my friend! 😊
@@GameTechTalk...
Of Course....My friend...
So many choices, but a " Game Tech Talk Edition" would be cool too...
🤓🧐👍🙌
If you had to pick one of the S tier controllers for the new Red Magic Nova (android 11inch tab) what would it be?
G8 Plus. The G8 Plus, in my personal opinion, works better at larger devices than any other options that can still do it as well. Next in line would probably be D8 Pro but it might be too deep for a tighter hold.
@@GameTechTalk Ok I bought the controller and I love it, one thing I noticed was A B and X Y where reporting backwards, is there a way to remap these for android?
@@key421 There is, hold Capture + bottom most face button for like 5 seconds, the controller will vibrate and then the values will swap.
Or, you can remove the buttons (they are magnetic) and swap them to match the Xbox/Nintendo layout, whichever your prefer!
Abkylute S9 or Gamesir G8 Plus?
A very difficult choice to make in all honesty. Lately, I gravitate more towards the G8 Plus just because it is a bit more versatile in the way that I want to use it with my various devices. If you know that you have no interest in connecting/disconnecting between devices, the S9 might be the better pick.
Backbone should be a D tbh. I had two and my 2nd gen broke on me so I grabbed a GameSir g8 for $66 off amazon while I wait for my abxylute s9 to arrive.
Yup, I had two break on me too, the quality is not what it's made up to be. However, the warranty experience was positive so I'll give 'em that but I'm ready to move on from Backbone until they release new stuff.
Gamesir G8+ or abxylute s9 are the best.
features, quality and premium feel.
Agreed, they are both my personal top 2, one is best in wired, the other is best in bluetooth.
I hope someone can release a controller for big camera bumps. I've tried almost everything and still can't find one that fits my phone snug without popping out
What phone do you have? Also, if your phone has accessories that can even out the camera bump, that fixes the issue for most controllers that have a flexible connector like the GameSir ones and EasySMX ones. That or a BSP which is so deep (they are designed to work with Switch too) completely cancels out the issue.
@@GameTechTalk I got the honor magic 6 pro. The camera just doesn't fit in that gap. I tried every gamesir. I thought the x3 pro would work with the movable cooler, even that don't. Same with the M15. I guess I have to try the BSP. Hopefully that will work since it's deep.
@@Sk8boi-D Let me know how that turns out for you, if it doesn't I would be out of ideas to be honest.
I managed to get the easysmx15 for around 20$, maybe is not the best but for that price i think has good value
It's a steal for $20! That's the one thing with the EasySMX, they list it at 60 but everyone I hear about paid considerably less. But they list it at 60 so that's what I have to refer to. @ $20 regular, that would've been a S for sure ahahahaah!
Will you do a shadow blade 2 review
The Shadow Blade 2 and GameSir Galileo G8 are the exact same controller minus the color scheme.
Hey, the x2s is a b while x2s bluethooth is a c, in the review you say it's practically the same, so the tier difference is due to BT's price?
It's a mix of many things, one aspect is how the X2s BT is in a sub-section that has seen alternatives since, such as the JK02 that pushes its perceived value down.
Conversely, the X2s USB-C, often being shown for less in cost than BT, retains all of what makes it great, on top of having overall better performance due to being an immediate connection. I think the performance element could've been mitigated if the X2s BT had been BT 5.2 or 5.3, I don't think GameSir confirms that information as I remember looking for it but I'm pretty sure it's a 5.0 protocol which is from an era where Bluetooth wasn't too focused on latency.
Wow, great explanation! you really are a true expert in that matter. Thanks, im on the fence with this one, the market is really bad in my country so for now I'll get either the x2s or x2s bt na then after some time I'll check what's best, maybe the g8+'s price will be acceptable
@@azzzzuuuu My best advice would be, if you have an iPhone, go X2s BT, because the USB-C model can't be configured on iOS.
If you have an android and don't care for Bluetooth, go the USB-C model, it's better in latency and overall reliability, plus no need to charge it.
The X2s BT's biggest advantage over USB-C is that it looks so much better! 🤣
@@GameTechTalk couple od videos from you later, I'm ordering the easysmx m15 😁😁😁 that market is crazy
@@azzzzuuuu Saw your comment on my other video, thanks for your comments!
I got the razer kishi ultra why? cause itll come to me in 3 days >< The Galileo 8 is what I wanted but I wanted an actual app to use which ios doesnt have unless you choose to use their bluetooth variant. Also cause I live in hawaii itll come to me in early november and I dislike having to wait long. The abxylute s9 is on preorder so Ill even be waiting longer >
If you got the monnies for it, all good, that's really the one major gripe with it, the rest is just preferences or competition coming up with more features over time, etc. I'm excited for the S9 to ship!
Abxylute S9 for £65 or Gamsir G8 Plus for £62? Android phone, but I have a Tab S7 Plus that I might want to use (either in desktop mode or in the controller)
If for you being connected at all times and a 3.5mm jack are important, Abxylute S9 would be the ideal pick. On the other hand, the G8Plus feels as good, and can better fit multiple devices including the Switch. It also provides a better tethered and untethered approach overall.
Gamesir G8+ Still is Top S to Me ❤
It's hard to dethrone for sure!
Help me out as I'm abit confused. Androiid mobile user, enjoy fortnite and have gamepas, and rumble and cooling would be nice. D8 Pro, D10s, MO5, M15 or JK02? What would you be recommending??
Well I would want to ask you how much heat throttling is a problem for you? Because if it's only a little, I'd say go M15. If it's a lot, I'd say that the JK02 is probably your best bet but the sticks are quite aggressive in their curve, you should watch the review I made of it, you'll see what I mean by the sticks being aggressive. Cheers!
@GameTechTalk if I'm honest I'm new to mobile gaming and didn't know if having a fan was future proofing.
Finally how does m15 stack against memo s3?
@@alexgroves91 Well if you compare M15 vs Memo S3 phone edition, it's literally the exact same controller. If you compare M15 to Memo S3 tablet, it's exactly the same controller except that the Tablet edition supports wider devices and can still work with phone (albeit not as comfortably as the phone edition).
They are both great products with the tablet edition just being slightly more versatile but potentially less compatible with a handful of phones.
Thankyou so much for your replies. Purchased the M15/S3, £11.18. Really excited to try it out.
@@alexgroves91 Let me know how you like it when you get a chance, cheers!