One of my favorite bow videos this year. Actually it was my favorite…and most informal. I have a PSE Omen 80# E2 (its kinda crazy 🤪 Also have a bowtech SR 350 (i would kill for 80 lbs limbs for that) I hoping Bowtech steps it up im the #80 department. Do you think the Mathews lift will be as efficient with heavier arrows with just the modules & not having 80lbs limbs?
I made the jump to 80 this year with the Revolt x80 and my god do I love it. I shot all the other brand flagship bows in 80 and it felt the best for me. I love the tuning and flip disk features. Not to mention it comes in a little hot so I think I have mine going at 82lbs. Launches my 720 grain arrows at about 265 fps and I have not looked back since.
@@brosbeforebowshunting oh yeh I agree 100% I shot 70 for 4 or so years before making the jump and now I practice out to 120 with it. It's worth getting shit from people who don't see the point in it when I get the performance I do
Wow. Those numbers are impressive. Due to a shoulder injury years ago I max out at 62 lbs. It allows me to shoot as much as I want without further damage. No elk hunting, just big hogs. That build is a freaking tank, I enjoyed the video.
Hogsheads for breakfast is a great handle! Love it… Thanks for tuning is and giving some feedback! We think the levitate has made a strong case for being the best of 22’ for sure!
Hey thanks for watching! If you check out all of our content, that’s always what we are trying to do. Controlling all of the variables that we can to increase our odds of success in the woods! Stay tuned!
On the flip side to see how much speed you can get out of 80lb limbs, do you know what poundage you can back the 80lbs down to with allotted turns of the limb bolt?
You definitely could, the question would be if you would loose efficiency or not. Some engineers have said that the bow is most efficient with the limb bolts completely tight.
@@brosbeforebowshunting thanks for the reply, I shoot a 29 so I’m just trying to get an idea on speeds. 80# is the way to go, keep up the great content.
Hey Joseph thanks for watching! That is a great question, Josh shoots a 30 inch draw, I shoot 29-29.5 inch draw depending on the bow. We have both hunted with and shot the levitate for a couple of years now. It’s probably one of the most efficient platforms we have ever used. To answer your question, you can expect a decrease of 4-5 FPS per half inch of draw length. Thanks for the comment!
@@brosbeforebowshunting appreciate it. I figured about that. I just got a Levitate. Honestly I wasn't sure about it and the 80#.. but when I shot it man it felt so good
Thanks for watching! I have had very good experiences ordering PSE items from Straight 6 Archery in Missoula MT. I’ve ordered limbs and cams for a few different models and they have always gone above and beyond. They are my go-to for PSE.
Hey Josh thanks for watching! I think you can place an order for limbs at any PSE dealer. I think the only info that you will need is the serial number of the bow. We both have had great luck and service from a shop in Missoula Montana called Straight 6 archery, they will ship you just about anything that they can! Good luck, let us know how it goes!
@@brosbeforebowshunting sick in going to be running that on my new 80lb mach 34. At 31.5 draw. Will 250 spine arrows handel that or go to the 235 vap tko ? 100 to 125 head
Great question, depending on the total weight up front and how short you are comfortable cutting them, you should be able to get 250 spine arrows to tune. Sounds like you will have a killer setup! Good luck in the woods!!
You are correct! For a bow that weighs 3.6lb and is relatively quiet with minimal vibration, we aren’t sure if we can find anything that will beat it! Thanks for watching!
@@brosbeforebowshunting seems like it could nearly keep up with my 80lb Xpedite with high left off, shot 70lb levitate, now trying to decide whether to order an 80lb levitate or get 80lb limbs for Mach 1 or sell it
Hey thanks for watching, sorry to hear that your riser had structural issues, I have been working with the levitate with 80# limbs for a few months and I haven’t noticed any issues as of yet. If you don’t mind, what issues did you have so we know what to look for?
I will be using the new Garmin Xero Pro. Do you think this would be too much of a tank for this bow? I thought with weight down low with stabilizer and this heavy site, this would be a good way too drop the ounces with this bow.
Hey Brett, Thanks for watching this video! One of the great things about having a light bow is that you can add weight with accessories and still end up with a lighter rig than if you started with the average bow! One thing to consider with a heavier sight is it may make the bow seem “top heavy”. Set it up and see how it feels and go from there. Try different stabilizer configurations to achieve the best result. Let us know how it goes!
Thanks for watching! Great question, there is always a price to pay when shooting a higher poundage bow. There is definitely the possibility that you can increase wear and tear on the equipment, however most of the bows these days are engendered and tested at these specs. Most of the down side come in wear on the user, if you can’t be accurate or consistent or physically can’t pull the weight, we would never suggest you do that! Thanks again for watching and great question!
That’s a great question. I put the limbs with the greater deflection on the right, with the highest on the top right. I set the cams as close to center as possible and used the yokes for tuning. Thanks for watching!
Good lord you could probably shoot through an elk and a moose standing side x side with that speed at 600 grains plus. Incredibly efficient cam at the higher arrow weights
Just going back and forth between your two videos, the 80lb PSE Levitate was only a few FPS faster than the 80lb PSE Mach 1. That might be a good enough reason to just keep the PSE Mach 1.
That’s a tough question for sure. The E2 cams are great and as the arrows get heavier the speed drop off is consistent. That may be a benefit depending on how heavy you are wanting to go with your arrow. The draw cycle is also improved as well as the vibration and noise. The string angle is a bit better as well. The improvements are subtle, not drastic and the cost is significant $$. It really comes down to what is more important to you. I hope that helps! Thanks for asking for our opinion and support!
First of all, thanks for watching! I’d like to be able to do that for you…. but my arrow setups are maxed out for my 30” dl. You’ll be moving roughly 15 fps faster at that dl. The difficulty is finding an arrow that will spine, depending on how heavy you are looking to get your arrow setup to be. I am having to use a 200 spine arrow to get them to spine appropriately… How heavy are you looking to have your arrow? I might be able to build one up and test it if I know what your looking to achieve.
I’d want to shoot arrows between 600 and 820 grains. I’m not surprised that you need to use a 200 spine. With a 75 pound bow and a 32 inch draw I also needed a 200 spine.
Great question! Initially when we were brainstorming for this build that was the plan. Much less work with strings, just slap on a set of sturdier limbs and your done. The issue was finding the wake limbs. We tried but it was just easier to scrounge up some switch weight cams.
Hey Daniel, thanks for watching! Just when you think they can’t get better…. We are super impressed with how efficient the E2 cams are. I’m having a hard time finding the right arrow setup that can handle the heat!
I'm pretty new to archery, awesome looking setup by the way, if you were going to use it for 3D or Tac would you fire a 650 gr heavy or a 450gr speed arrow down range!
Good point, speaking specifically about TAC (no speed limit) distances require a flatter trajectory. I would think where there is a speed limit, you would want to be at the top end of that limit also.
Has pse had the problems that everyone else has with limbs when they hit 80lbs they start to have limbs go bad break etc also your 649 grain arrows is only 6fps slower than my 482 grain arrow 😂 I was feeling good about my set up until I saw this… let me know if the thing about tuning a broadhead over 300fps being so much harder let me know if that’s true
Thanks for the watch and comments! We both have been shooting 80 lb bows from all the major brands for the past few years and we haven’t had any limb issues. In fact we both have been shooting a lot of PSE 80 lb models lately. We will be putting a broadhead video together as we get geared up for elk season so stay tuned!!!
Thanks for tuning in! The limb adapters are the Ultra Lock Adapter made by last chance archery. They were designed for the beyond parallel limbs Hoyt used to make but I use them whenever I am pressing new limbs. I picked these up on eBay but you can get them from most archery specific dealers
Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison. Do you notice a difference in string angle between the levitate and Mach 1? I have a Mach 1 and have had issues with the cable guide moving on me and have contemplated on switching to the levitate. I’m a 30.5” draw, so the claimed angle advantage of the levitate is appealing to me. There doesn’t seem to much difference in speed or hold between the two from your reviews.
Hey Seth, thanks for watching! You have some great questions! I am currently working on a more in-depth review video for the Levitate which address some of these questions. But to answer some of your questions; first off with the string angle on the levitate is slightly better, if you look closely at the cams on the levitate they are larger this helps. Is it a huge improvement? No but it is noticeable. Second, in my experience with the Mach 1 I never had an issue with the cable guard moving, I had heard several people say they did, but it wasn’t an issue for me. I never really saw the point of making it adjustable. Third when it comes to hold and speed/performance, in my opinion the levitate holds slightly more steady, I think this is due to the wider limb pockets. The levitate has shown to be slightly more efficient with the new cam especially with the heavier arrows 575+ grains. I think that the biggest down side to upgrading to the levitate is the price, in my opinion if you have the money the improvements on levitate are worth it. The Mach 1 is still one of the best carbon bows made! Stay tuned and let us know what you think of the more in-depth review.
Keep it up guys
One of my favorite bow videos this year. Actually it was my favorite…and most informal.
I have a PSE Omen 80# E2 (its kinda crazy 🤪
Also have a bowtech SR 350 (i would kill for 80 lbs limbs for that)
I hoping Bowtech steps it up im the #80 department.
Do you think the Mathews lift will be as efficient with heavier arrows with just the modules & not having 80lbs limbs?
I made the jump to 80 this year with the Revolt x80 and my god do I love it. I shot all the other brand flagship bows in 80 and it felt the best for me. I love the tuning and flip disk features. Not to mention it comes in a little hot so I think I have mine going at 82lbs. Launches my 720 grain arrows at about 265 fps and I have not looked back since.
Thanks for watching! We are definitely advocates of shooting 80# as long as you don’t compromise accuracy to do it! Good luck in the woods!
@@brosbeforebowshunting oh yeh I agree 100% I shot 70 for 4 or so years before making the jump and now I practice out to 120 with it. It's worth getting shit from people who don't see the point in it when I get the performance I do
Wow. Those numbers are impressive. Due to a shoulder injury years ago I max out at 62 lbs. It allows me to shoot as much as I want without further damage. No elk hunting, just big hogs. That build is a freaking tank, I enjoyed the video.
Hogsheads for breakfast is a great handle! Love it…
Thanks for tuning is and giving some feedback! We think the levitate has made a strong case for being the best of 22’ for sure!
This is defiantly a good setup your logic is 100 % accurate . The more energy you put in the arrow the more effective is going to be.
Hey thanks for watching! If you check out all of our content, that’s always what we are trying to do. Controlling all of the variables that we can to increase our odds of success in the woods! Stay tuned!
What's retail now days for the levitate limbs? 300? My 80lb Lift at 30" shoots my hunting arrow 505gr at 300 fps. That PSE is a smoke show..
On the flip side to see how much speed you can get out of 80lb limbs, do you know what poundage you can back the 80lbs down to with allotted turns of the limb bolt?
You definitely could, the question would be if you would loose efficiency or not. Some engineers have said that the bow is most efficient with the limb bolts completely tight.
Man just found this channel love the name I just subscribed
Thanks! Hope you like the content as well!
Did you mention the draw length? If so I missed it.
Hey thanks for watching! The DL was 30” for that test.
@@brosbeforebowshunting thanks for the reply, I shoot a 29 so I’m just trying to get an idea on speeds. 80# is the way to go, keep up the great content.
Thank you! Stay tuned!
Ever test it in 28.5 or 29? All us short guy problems lol.
Hey Joseph thanks for watching! That is a great question, Josh shoots a 30 inch draw, I shoot 29-29.5 inch draw depending on the bow. We have both hunted with and shot the levitate for a couple of years now. It’s probably one of the most efficient platforms we have ever used. To answer your question, you can expect a decrease of 4-5 FPS per half inch of draw length. Thanks for the comment!
@@brosbeforebowshunting appreciate it. I figured about that. I just got a Levitate. Honestly I wasn't sure about it and the 80#.. but when I shot it man it felt so good
Hey man how can I get some 70 pound lims. For my levitate bow. How did you go about ordering them. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I have had very good experiences ordering PSE items from Straight 6 Archery in Missoula MT. I’ve ordered limbs and cams for a few different models and they have always gone above and beyond. They are my go-to for PSE.
Hey Josh thanks for watching! I think you can place an order for limbs at any PSE dealer. I think the only info that you will need is the serial number of the bow. We both have had great luck and service from a shop in Missoula Montana called Straight 6 archery, they will ship you just about anything that they can! Good luck, let us know how it goes!
Thanks. Means a lot.
Wow what an amazing bow love it
Thanks for the watch!
We absolutely agree! It’s an all around great bow with some amazing performance…
What cams were in the bow ?
Thanks for tuning in! This bow has the E2 cams.
@@brosbeforebowshunting sick in going to be running that on my new 80lb mach 34. At 31.5 draw. Will 250 spine arrows handel that or go to the 235 vap tko ? 100 to 125 head
Great question, depending on the total weight up front and how short you are comfortable cutting them, you should be able to get 250 spine arrows to tune. Sounds like you will have a killer setup! Good luck in the woods!!
It is moving!
You are correct! For a bow that weighs 3.6lb and is relatively quiet with minimal vibration, we aren’t sure if we can find anything that will beat it! Thanks for watching!
@@brosbeforebowshunting seems like it could nearly keep up with my 80lb Xpedite with high left off, shot 70lb levitate, now trying to decide whether to order an 80lb levitate or get 80lb limbs for Mach 1 or sell it
Good problems to have! Let us know which way you go!
Sweet edits
You the man!!!
Have you noticed any structural issues with your riser with the 80? Rep just had me send mine back for inspection……
Hey thanks for watching, sorry to hear that your riser had structural issues, I have been working with the levitate with 80# limbs for a few months and I haven’t noticed any issues as of yet. If you don’t mind, what issues did you have so we know what to look for?
@@brosbeforebowshunting I’m not sure if it was just paint or structural, but check out the riser by your limb pivots. All 4 of mine raised interest.
Will do,thanks for the heads up!
@@brosbeforebowshunting hopefully it’s nothing! We’ll see!
not a fan of PSE, but they are pretty much the only company that comes close to their stated IBO.....
Black Eagle rampage 150's will spine for you.....
Thanks for watching! We have noticed the same thing with the IBO.
We are eager to see what darton does in the next couple of years, I hear that they have some things cooking
That was excellent, thanks for sharing!
Thank you for watching! Stay tuned for more levitate content!
I will be using the new Garmin Xero Pro. Do you think this would be too much of a tank for this bow? I thought with weight down low with stabilizer and this heavy site, this would be a good way too drop the ounces with this bow.
Hey Brett,
Thanks for watching this video!
One of the great things about having a light bow is that you can add weight with accessories and still end up with a lighter rig than if you started with the average bow! One thing to consider with a heavier sight is it may make the bow seem “top heavy”.
Set it up and see how it feels and go from there. Try different stabilizer configurations to achieve the best result.
Let us know how it goes!
Great vid guys :)
Thanks for watching, and for the feedback!
Sick video! Been waiting for the limb swap! Thanks for sharing fellas and shoot straight 🏹
Thanks for watching!
Levitate is extremely fast!
Thank you for watching! We agree! Super impressed with the new E2 cam!
I got the Ventum 33 at 80.. cooking on gas bro..! Love it.. so smooth on the draw for 80..!
Hey Douglas, thanks for watching! Definitely agree with you, the ventum has one of if not the best draw cycles at 80#!
What is your drawlength bro?
Thanks for watching!!!!
The dl is set at 30” for this test.
Will the string and cables on a 80lbs bow stretch quicker than on a lower poundage bow? Shooting faster might be a good thing, but at what cost?
Thanks for watching! Great question, there is always a price to pay when shooting a higher poundage bow. There is definitely the possibility that you can increase wear and tear on the equipment, however most of the bows these days are engendered and tested at these specs. Most of the down side come in wear on the user, if you can’t be accurate or consistent or physically can’t pull the weight, we would never suggest you do that! Thanks again for watching and great question!
How did you set your limb deflection and cam shims ?
That’s a great question. I put the limbs with the greater deflection on the right, with the highest on the top right. I set the cams as close to center as possible and used the yokes for tuning.
Thanks for watching!
Good lord you could probably shoot through an elk and a moose standing side x side with that speed at 600 grains plus. Incredibly efficient cam at the higher arrow weights
Thanks for watching! We absolutely agree. These cams are super efficient as the weight increases.
Just going back and forth between your two videos, the 80lb PSE Levitate was only a few FPS faster than the 80lb PSE Mach 1. That might be a good enough reason to just keep the PSE Mach 1.
The Mach 1 is definitely a great bow! Definitely very similar to the Levitate. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! Thank you for watching!
That’s a tough question for sure. The E2 cams are great and as the arrows get heavier the speed drop off is consistent. That may be a benefit depending on how heavy you are wanting to go with your arrow.
The draw cycle is also improved as well as the vibration and noise. The string angle is a bit better as well.
The improvements are subtle, not drastic and the cost is significant $$.
It really comes down to what is more important to you.
I hope that helps! Thanks for asking for our opinion and support!
I'm pretty sure John Dudley did not make that thumb button to be punched
Hey William, thanks for watching! Can’t argue with the footage, but check out the follow-through! 😂😂
Can you shoot this at 31.5 inches and let us know how fast it goes?
First of all, thanks for watching!
I’d like to be able to do that for you…. but my arrow setups are maxed out for my 30” dl. You’ll be moving roughly 15 fps faster at that dl. The difficulty is finding an arrow that will spine, depending on how heavy you are looking to get your arrow setup to be. I am having to use a 200 spine arrow to get them to spine appropriately…
How heavy are you looking to have your arrow? I might be able to build one up and test it if I know what your looking to achieve.
I’d want to shoot arrows between 600 and 820 grains. I’m not surprised that you need to use a 200 spine. With a 75 pound bow and a 32 inch draw I also needed a 200 spine.
Have you tried a traverse with 80 lb wake limbs?
Great question! Initially when we were brainstorming for this build that was the plan. Much less work with strings, just slap on a set of sturdier limbs and your done. The issue was finding the wake limbs. We tried but it was just easier to scrounge up some switch weight cams.
Wait till they release the FL mods for the E2 cams..
Hey Daniel, thanks for watching!
Just when you think they can’t get better…. We are super impressed with how efficient the E2 cams are. I’m having a hard time finding the right arrow setup that can handle the heat!
I'm pretty new to archery, awesome looking setup by the way, if you were going to use it for 3D or Tac would you fire a 650 gr heavy or a 450gr speed arrow down range!
Thanks for watching! I will put the 70 lb limbs back on for 3D season and I’ll be shooting a mid 400 gr arrow.
3D has a speed limit for the classes. So he would have to either shoot heavy or back poundage down to have equal playing field.
Good point, speaking specifically about TAC (no speed limit) distances require a flatter trajectory. I would think where there is a speed limit, you would want to be at the top end of that limit also.
Has pse had the problems that everyone else has with limbs when they hit 80lbs they start to have limbs go bad break etc also your 649 grain arrows is only 6fps slower than my 482 grain arrow 😂 I was feeling good about my set up until I saw this… let me know if the thing about tuning a broadhead over 300fps being so much harder let me know if that’s true
Thanks for the watch and comments!
We both have been shooting 80 lb bows from all the major brands for the past few years and we haven’t had any limb issues. In fact we both have been shooting a lot of PSE 80 lb models lately.
We will be putting a broadhead video together as we get geared up for elk season so stay tuned!!!
I would love to know what those limb adapters are on your bow press and where I can get them
Thanks for tuning in!
The limb adapters are the Ultra Lock Adapter made by last chance archery. They were designed for the beyond parallel limbs Hoyt used to make but I use them whenever I am pressing new limbs.
I picked these up on eBay but you can get them from most archery specific dealers
Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison. Do you notice a difference in string angle between the levitate and Mach 1? I have a Mach 1 and have had issues with the cable guide moving on me and have contemplated on switching to the levitate. I’m a 30.5” draw, so the claimed angle advantage of the levitate is appealing to me. There doesn’t seem to much difference in speed or hold between the two from your reviews.
Hey Seth, thanks for watching! You have some great questions! I am currently working on a more in-depth review video for the Levitate which address some of these questions. But to answer some of your questions; first off with the string angle on the levitate is slightly better, if you look closely at the cams on the levitate they are larger this helps. Is it a huge improvement? No but it is noticeable. Second, in my experience with the Mach 1 I never had an issue with the cable guard moving, I had heard several people say they did, but it wasn’t an issue for me. I never really saw the point of making it adjustable. Third when it comes to hold and speed/performance, in my opinion the levitate holds slightly more steady, I think this is due to the wider limb pockets. The levitate has shown to be slightly more efficient with the new cam especially with the heavier arrows 575+ grains. I think that the biggest down side to upgrading to the levitate is the price, in my opinion if you have the money the improvements on levitate are worth it. The Mach 1 is still one of the best carbon bows made! Stay tuned and let us know what you think of the more in-depth review.
I appreciate the response. This was very helpful content.
Shot my bow for 20 minutes and the cable guard loosened...
Hey Daniel, was that with the levitate?
No it was on my new, leftover dealer stock 2021 60# Mach 1 Mossy Oak Breakup bow! Happy to have found that unicorn.
I want one of those shirts!
Hey thanks for watching! You can find this shirt and many more here:
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A pse xpedite nxt 80lb with fast mods at 30" gets a 610gr arrow to 306fps. Your welcome
Yup
Your camera guy moves around to much
Thanks for watching!
@@brosbeforebowshunting I do not mind the camera movement, great vid!!!
Thank you for your support! Stay tuned!!
@@takashi0352 thanks for the watch and the feedback! We are self proclaimed armature TH-camrs for sure!
Lol
Thanks for watching