Is Cade Cunningham the Problem?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2023
- I'm a Cade fan since he got drafted, and I was expecting a Most Improved Player campaign from him this year. But we've gotten only decent Cade games so far, and the Pistons have lost 17 in a row. There's a ton of problems with this team but some critics are blaming Cade for the horrible record. They make a lot of good points, but I don't see it man. I think Cade will make it work
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Cade will be special, I see flashes of greatness and its just a mayter pf time and experience before he becomes elite. At the moment though its cringe to watch them play
I doubt that.
@@connorlynch8287did Devin Booker look great coming into the league?
@@ry_an. He shot better than Cunningham and he wasn't being hyped up in the same way that Cunningham was either.
He would be an all star with better team mates, but he's not THE guy to lead a bunch of nobodies to the playoffs.
This is an objectively great take but I hope you’re wrong lol, I really wanna see Cade as first option. Needs more time to see. But I still like his game and if he’s best as a second option so be it
Ya becuz he’s barley been in the league for 3 years, y do ppl expect young players w limited experience to kno how to lead teams everybody ain’t lebron, mj, or kd
@@FastbreakFrequencyTo me, Monty is the problem.
Look at what Dwane Casey did last year without Cade & Ausar on his roster.
Even Jarrett Jack knew how to make adjustments when he was able to coach Ausar, Sasser, & Ivey in the Summer League.
Wiseman also was having fun on the court when Jarrett Jack
was coaching him.
Pistons should consider replacing Monty with Jarrett Jack as a coach.
Agree. He's a Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff type. He can be a successful trigger man on a good offense but he's not going to elevate a bad offense.
That said, he still has a long way to go. It was fairly irrational to project Devin Booker to be *this* 7 years ago. (Booker won 19 games in year 4. He wasn't remotely close to the player he is now.) Cade can certainly continue to develop like Book did and look very different at 27.
What's concerning though is the relative lack of development -- specifically his finishing package -- and that he's already an older prospect. But if the shooting continues to develop, he gets stronger, and he's able to do some skills work to add more creative finishes -- think Austin Reaves or Trae Young -- he still has a realistic pathway to being THE guy. He's just not an all-timer like Bron, Luka, MJ who is ready to do that in year two.
His hype was his problem. People were calling him Ben Simmons with a J or Luka with athleticism.
People are forgetting that this is essentially his second season since he missed so much time last year due to injury. He’s still young and needs more spacing. He’d average a lot more assists if he played with better shooters. The hate he gets is unnecessary imo
Hopefully greater spacing will help him get to the rim and finish better over time
He was hyped up to a crazy level so I don't think it's hate to point out at now point after high school has Cade been able to score efficiently. He was touted as Luka with athleticism or Simmons with a J when in reality he was never close to those guys but he had mad media hype.
Or, the coach should play to their big guys strengths and design plays around them getting easy lob dunks.
No, he’s not he’s elite he just needs better coaching they need spacing and a veteran who can guide the way plus all the peop,e saying asuar Thompson is him already he’s raw and needs to develop but I agree with you.
I think Ausar has huge potential, certainly a core piece of any future championship team even if he is still pretty green
@@FastbreakFrequency oh definitely he’s just a rookie though like you said and needs developing i think ausar and Cade will make that team at least decent next year.
When Cade is the one responsible for creating the starting lineups, deciding who comes off the bench and in what order, doles out minutes and is responsible for teaching his team-mates how to play - then I'll question if "Cade is the problem." Monty puts four brick layers on the floor with Cade and then expects him to "build" something.
True. I blame coach. The coach should play to their big guys strengths and design plays around them getting easy lob dunks.
if he was "that guy" hed carry these "Bricks" to atleast a few wins. Hes not the problem, but hes 100% part of it
This is a good analysis, they really need to work on being a transition team, not working on shooting 3's so much until hopefully they can all get better at it, work more to shoot midrange
As a Pistons fan Cade is not THE problem he is one the the many problems. He is careless with the ball and has been shooting like absolute shit. He still puts up solid stats because of his usage but he is not helping this team at all right now. This is not to say he’s not going to be better or can’t be better, because he will and he can. BUT to say that he is blameless is ignoring the huge flaws in his current game.
Agreed, and I tried to make the point in the video, but I probably didn't go far enough. After all, most #1 picks join terrible rosters (but it's hard to think of a worse place to land than 2021-22 Detroit). I know I'm coping hard, but I do see him cleaning up his game as we progress through the season. Do you see any of the 3 other core players as more valuable? I see Cade being the leader of a balanced team (maybe the best player, but not by a large margin). curious what a pistons fan thinks. I've seen a lot of their games so far, but not all lol
@@FastbreakFrequency Tough to say, Ivey when he’s given usage as a lead guard can be really really good but we have mismanaged his situation so badly it’s almost unfixable. It was thought after drafting him that we had one of the most promising backcourts of the future now we’re not even playing them together… and haven’t even given them a chance to try and gel together. This is the worst mistake and worst handled situation in all of the NBA right now. Makes me sick as a fan and I want Monty out of here asap if he can’t figure out what he has in these two.
His three point shot has been good, as of late. And considerably improved from last year.
I admit I thought Monty was the solution... like what's better than bringing in a proven coach just as you stop tanking? But it didn't work out, at least not yet. But with every loss it gets easier to assign blame to anyone
Hes not being used effectively/coached or built around correctly.
He is a 7ft wingspan combo guard that can shoot already... Something every single team in the NBA desires.
Also i dont know Monty Williams coaching career, has he developed talent before?
The issue is his shot has been better in prior years… if he can regain it that changes the story. But I agree he has the size that any point guard would kill to have. Monty feels more like a coach for a team above the Pistons level rn. He did coach the Pelicans during AD’s first three years so that counts as development ig
@FastbreakFrequency Agreed coach Monty doesn't seem to have the players bought in regardless of the outcome. Did we rebound more than last game, were we the first on the floor for loose balls, who wasn't hustling every fastbreak opportunity etc.. As a Thunder fan I'm so thankful for our front office. They have learned from their previous mistake of lack of accountability. Easily could've been Shai in this boat.
He's a slightly above average shooter at best and he's a horrendous finisher though.
To be fair that criticism -- is Cade really a true number 1 -- existed before Cade was drafted. The Ringer had an article specifically talking about how he was the most valuable *type* of prospect but that there were enough red flags -- lack of explosiveness, poor finishing and efficiency, he was 6'6" not 6'8" like we'd been told all year -- that he wasn't quite the prospect he'd been billed as and was more of a high floor guy.
People have a hard time internalizing that all #1 picks aren't equal so a lot of casual fans are just now catching up to what draftniks knew 3 years ago and bashing Cade but the reality is there's just not a lot to see here.
As you said, it's a super inexperienced team -- which I think people lose sight of because other "young" teams are good but they aren't *just* young, especially with the injuries -- and Cade is being asked to do more than he's capable of right now. But the outlines of a good team are there with the core four. It just takes time.
I read the article as well. It was kind of deflating lol. But your point is strong: Cade is asked to do a lot, even the stuff he wasn't necessarily drafted for. In a strange way, I feel he doesn't have to be the distant #1 option on a championship Pistons team, if the other drafts (Ivey, Ausar, Duren) really take off. All he would need to do is be the consistent leader. Do you see the other 3 being enough? Because there's room for shooting in there, and I hope Ivey/Ausar can somehow fill that
@@FastbreakFrequency Agree. To me that was the benefit of the Cade selection. He can legitimately play 1-3 next to anyone so he allows you to just take the best player. He's super malleable. Even if he's not a superstar, he will be a really good all-star level starter.
It's why I liked the Ivey pick because he similarly has that kind of superstar upside. Ausar and Duren were two of my favorite prospects but I'm not sure either has that A1 kind of upside. But they provide length, athleticism and defense. And I think all four have the right attitude and will get better. (And Stew, but he's a backup.)
In the right offensive system, I think it works. I'm still bullish on Cade and Ivey long-term as shooters. And there are ways to make Duren and Ausar work because of the athleticism, offensive rebounding and cutting ability. The question is how good will that fifth guy need to be and it's just too early to know that. But Bogey is a good place holder. That is the type of guy you need. (Although probably closer to to 6'9"+)
Although I'm very nervous that Monty is ruining these guys and sapping their confidence. Killian has no future here; Troy needs to just trade him solely so Monty can't play him. Ivey should realistically be the #2 if not #1 option because he can actually pressure defenses and he's just not being given an opportunity to improve and stretch himself. He and Cade could play off each other like (a poor man's) Ja and Bane. And Ausar looks like a shell of himself. That could be the face/mask but he looks tentative and unsure and he's being put in awful spots. They space him instead of putting him in the action or dunker spot and play him at PF where his rebounding is completely neutralized and he's undersized. And idk why they are telling him to switch so much. He can get through screens. Just let him guard the other team's primary guard/wing.
His lie of height of 6'8 was the hardest thing for me. But I forgive Cade. He wanted to be top pick. Even Jalen lied of his height claiming he was 6'6 when he's 6'4.
I love how you dog Killian and then say Cade started to improve and totally ignore that Killian's re-insertion into the starting lineup is directly correlated to that. Killian has improved quite a bit and has been consistent as Cade's backcourt partner in this stretch. Their best lineup has Cade off-ball with Killian as the point and Jaden Ivey as the slasher. But we've seen it for all of 17 minutes this season. But if you got a narrative you want to get off, go ahead and do you.
You nailed it. Those 17 minutes should be expanded to 25 minutes at the least per game.
The backlash against Cade is a overreaction to the Cade fan boys that also absolve him of any responsibility for the loosing streak.
Though what I think is fair, is what elite skills does Cade have? He's kind of a average to above average across the board.
Not elite at the following. 3pt shooting, Driving, passing, handles, floater, finishing at the rim, defense. So I think it's hard to see how Cade improves alot. Because it's not just one thing he needs to unlock his game. He needs to improv across the board.
You make good points, and to be fair I'm kind of a Cade fan boy myself lol, so if I sounded too excusing, there you go. But yes, he will need to improve in multiple areas, or at least a few big ones (turnovers, shooting, finishing bare minimum). I think the missing sophomore year warped expectations Cade fans had tbh
@@FastbreakFrequency We all need to be Cade fan boys sooner than later, if not the rebuild is in trouble.
Though to explain my point better. I feel like if we give Jaden or Ausar Guard NBA Average 3pt shooting efficiency. They both could be possible All Stars, because of how that would open up their game.
If we gave Cade the same, it would help for sure. Though because he isn't that kind of athlete, i think he just become good. Though its hard to say what is more difficult to master. Is it easier to raise one skill from like a 4 to a 7.5? or easier to raise all skills from like a from like a 6 or 7 to an 8?
He's still young...barely just had 1 season on his belt. So he has time to develop. I'll give him this season AND the offseason to develop.
Cade was hyped as the second coming of Luka Doncic. Most know that the Piston are a bad team, but they were expecting Luka Doncic on a bad team. Cade is a victim of his hype.
The Pistons front office turned out poverty as well, you kinda had the feeling they were onto something when they began the rebuild but they failed completely
Forget spacing...can he at least take care if the ball😭😭😭
He'll turn it over throwing to an allstar. He'll shoot it bad with an allstar throwing it to him.
lol this is what I fear the most, but I have faith he will get it together
He'll be a good player but not what people expected. Too many problems with his game. Lake of explosiveness is huge. He's nowhere near as smart as Doncic.
This video convinced me that Cade is the problem.
3 years in and not one damn highlight. He just get stats but he don't impact the game.
That's a bit harsh wouldn't you say? This is basically his second year. Sure Barnes and Mobley had big moments in their rookie years, but Detroit is the badlands of the NBA
Cade is most definitely not the problem.
He isn’t good enough to justify leading the league in FGA’s and Tov’s
Shooting 18shots for 22pts 🤮
We were oversold
Despite being a 6'8" guard he only shot 43.8% in college. Everything you need to know right there. He's not an efficient scorer and not a good shooter. And guys like this never become more efficient and better shooters. Probably will have a decent career, but more of a third option type.
Thank you for contributing. What makes you see him as a third option rather than a second? I admit he has flaws, but I see him being a nice secondary option if he doesn't end up as "the guy."
lol in college 40% from 3 isn't efficient shooting? His finishing at the rim was the only red flag in terms of his scoring he was efficient everywhere else including 85% on free throws, which is a good indicator of a player's shooting ability.
That makes it even worse that he shot 43%. He can't create easy shots so he has to settle alot which will prevent him from ever being efficient.
All those and that he's truly only 6'6. Beef Stew is 6'8 and you can see how smaller Cade is next to him.
More 6’6-6’7… he keeps shrinking. He has a Devin Booker type of role at peak.
His lack of explosiveness, poor shooting, lack of court vision, average handles, and poor passing aren't caused by the other guys on the team. Really good players can carry a shitty team. Mobley, Barnes, and Wagner are all better than him. Cade is Robin, not Batman.
I agree. He’s not the problem but definitely not the solution.
All logical points. Perhaps I'm sticking too close to what I wanted him to be coming out of the draft. I still believe he can make great improvements in handling, passing, and shooting, all of which don't have much to do with the injury/spacing issue
all 3 of those dudes were drafted into significantly better situations than cade, and none of them missed almost an entire season due to season ending surgery for a leg injury with recovery that impacted his offseason training leading into this season. These are important factors to consider before you go comparing him to other players
Y'all just listen to hater talking points. He's not josh fucking giddey.
At 6'6", not being explosive in the NBA is going to be tough. You have to be exceptionally smart and have a great shooting touch. That's why Doncic is so good. He was great right out of the gate on a poor team. That kind of intelligence is rare. Watch Cade and then watch Doncic. It's night and day. Cade will be a good player, not a great one.
He can be great if he had some other good players with him he has nobody to help him besides Duran and his team is so young and inexperienced!! He can't do it by himself and has no spacing to create better shots for his team point blank period!!!!
Excuses! LeBron had no help on the Cavs lol.
I didn’t touch on this too much but I did mention it. Every number 1 pick naturally joins a young inexperienced team. But guys like Lebron and Luka are generational talents. It might have been premature to assume Cade was that level. I believe he can still end up a team leader tho
He is overrated. A lot of people think this guy is that guy and still think to this day which makes him overrated. He's as bad as Jalen green in my opinion. Maybe even worse
He’s in his second NBA season lmfao y’all be acting like these guys are finished products
What the other guy said lol. There's no way he's on Jalen Green's level, and even if he was, Green himself has shown some improvement this year. Not a star yet but definitely better
I think Jalen Green is slightly better than Cade due to higher ceiling. You can already see Green being used properly little by little by their coach. Once Green becomes a good defender and learns more about different ways to pass (the ones Cade already knew), he will elevate. Cade meanwhile only has shooting that he can improve on.....he will not get faster than Jalen, not be able to outjump Jalen, not going to be a better lob dunker than Jalen...all because those are not teachable skills. Jalen's ceiling is higher because his weaknesses are teachable skills.
@@bigradwolf5001nah cade still has more potential due to his size. Cade’s ceiling at 27 would potentially be a Luka Doncic/jayson Tatum level creator (best case) whereas Jalen is a Bradley Beal/Donovan Mitchell medium impact high volume scorer