Critiquing your Driving! How to find the limit at Oulton Park
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2019
- Welcome to Driver61's Driver Analysis where our head coach, Scott Mansell, critiques our subscriber's driving. The idea of these videos is to use the example driver to enable everyone to learn and become faster, more consistent and feel in total control on track.
Today's video rides onboard with Gary Smith at Oulton Park in his Zenos E10R. Scott details various techniques including trail braking, vision, weight transfer and how to find the limit.
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I was the driver in this video and Scott's analysis is very accurate and very useful. I was aware that Oulton can punish mistakes so was driving slightly more conservatively than I would at, say, Bedford (which is a great track for experimenting because it has huge runoffs). I was also "driving to the cones" and taking the "slow-in-fast-out" approach, mainly because I am (too) afraid of losing the rear. I think I would definitely benefit from a masterclass on training my vision to hit the apex more consistently. Scott's comment about understeer is interesting - I will have to experiment with more trail braking to keep the load on the front in corners where this is an issue. Overall, a great analysis of my driving. Thanks, Scott!
It was a pleasure to analyse your driving Gary - cheers for sending it in! 💪
Thanks for the heads up about Bedford, Castle Combe is too scary to risk losing the back end so I need to find somewhere a little bit safer to find the limits of the car and myself. Cheers!
Gary Smith this looks like a really fun car to drive. I can't tell if it bites too hard when you make a mistake, but I would definitely enjoy watching more videos of you driving, especially after Scott's analysis. I also love the beautiful footage that the open rooftop offers, although I hate this stabilization gimmick the new GoPros have. I don't know if you can turn it off, but if possible, I would.
Cheers!
@@Tavilha You can turn off the attempt of stabilisation, makes it much more usable.
I have driven many hundred of laps around Oulton and have been out with several track day instructors. Generally, they will only tell you the late apex technique and I've only recently figured that this and the cones are really only for novice drivers. I asked one instructor to elaborate more about trail braking and he was evasive. All of the advice Scott, gave you about Oulton also applies to me . Things like camber changes, I had completely missed; makes me realise how much I have to learn.
Exit of Druids has claimed me many times in Project CARS 2 in exactly the way you described
That is why PCARS is so awesome still some people will say shit about it like the others are soooo much better Sims...
@@nakazonegamestreaming896 pcars is an arcade game compared to actual sims, thats why people will talk shit about it.
@@Neishy4AGTE yeh yeh, so every real race driver that says IRacing tyre model is pure garbage are wrong and you are right, dude every sim has good parts and bad parts, your problem is that you never had a 2 hour GT3 race going through day/night and dry/wet situation, PCARS was the first of its kind my friend, Assetto and Iracing were not even dreaming about the features the first PC had, and it was PC that pushed the envelope so your "Sims" felt like they needed to evolve, now I am not saying here that the others sims are not sims I am just saying that a normal person such as myself cannot even really say what is or not a Sim so unless you are a professional race driver your opinion is your opinion only.
@@nakazonegamestreaming896 nope not wrong, pcars is just even shitter than that. And the reason why pcars was able to implement that so easily is because its hardly a sim, may as well be forza.
I love this format. Very educational.
Why not do a collab with Carthrottle and WTF1 where you turn Alex and Mathew into "racing drivers" :D Like how much can their times improve by skill alone, without modifying the car. Tuning the driver not the car ;)
TrwSeama I like that idea a lot
Alex is "pretty much a racing driver already" ;-)
@@anidiotinaracingcar4874 That's why it would make for a funny video :D
Great idea!
Brilliant!
I often do trackdays at Oulton and have to say that this video has improved my lap time by seconds. The advice about using the camber at Shell Oils hairpin in gold. I never really thought about surface changes and cambers until I watched this video. It has helped loads. Oh, and you (Scott) are so right about the cones that they position.
I'd love to see a video about varying car geometries(length of wheelbase vs width of wheelbase, front/ rear ride height, rear wheel vs front wheel drive, steering lock, aero vs none, etc). A lot of us avid simmers wind up jumping from car to car, and I find myself often over/under driving a car after switching from a car with very geometry which of course radically changes how to approach every track and indeed every corner. Try to drive that GT500 like a 911 and rapidly fill up from eating wall.
Would love to see more of these, very insightful and entertaining.
Totally agree. I dont drive in real life but the advice is definitely transferable in iRacing
The cones at Cascades and the shell hairpin were in the same position on the MSV trackday last week and I bloody knew it was the wrong line!
Very helpful, taking this feedback back to the sim ;)
Marvellous. Thank you. I'm there tomorrow and will take my laptop along to remind myself of the better lines you've shown.
Hi Scott. This kind of video is super helpful and entertaining!
I hope you will do more commentary on F1 issues as I value your perspective. I appreciate your analysis along with that of Nico and Jolyon.
Confidence in the car is the key to driving race tracks , like Scott has said knowing where that grip limit is and being confident to go to that limit is a big part of this racing driving puzzle the rest is just car setup adjustments , I've got to say another brilliant video , the more I watch the more I learn !
I have got to say totally brilliant. Coming through The Esses towards Old Paddock Bend and then on to Hammerdown on the Castle Combe circuit is VERY similar to part of Oulton Park I have just realised and being as I had a high speed 'off' at Paddock this has taught me exactly what I did wrong! I need to sacrifice a bit of time through The Esses to give me a better and faster line through Old Paddock by opening the corner up so I can carry all that extra speed all the way along Hammerdown and into Tower - genius! Thank you very much Scott! I think I can see myself taking your course at some point in 2020!
I need more of these videos, ASAP!!! Awesome material
Thanks Scott and Gary. Very informative and educational vid. Hopefully many more to come.
I watched this and tried to say my opinion before you did to see if I had an eye for it. Was a good excersize to improve my own knowledge surprisingly!
I know this is quite late, but i just found the video - these are pretty good consider bringing a version of this series back
Outstanding stuff, thank you both.
More pointers to completely forget to practice while at the track and spend the next six weeks kicking myself over! 😁
This series is fantastic!Please do more of these videos!!
Thank you for this video break down. I don't do any real world racing but do practice with sim racing. I'm hopeful that I can eventually transition to real world track day events. I have benefited in the sim racing with some of your suggestions in this video. Many of these suggestions I was already aware of however failed to truly implement them correctly. Your explanations allowed me to take theory and turn into application as now I know how to think about them while driving thus making it possible to execute them correctly
That's for these vids. It's very useful even though I dont drive tracks in real life. With laser scanned tracks in iRacing, these tips are transferable! Amazed on how accurate it is.
Fantastic explanations
Great video. Please do more of these. I was just racing this track on iRacing and now I so want to hit this track again.
Great video Scott, your long time subscriber from Australia.
Excellent, informative, interesting, well explained so that even I understood! :) I'm not living in England, and will probably never drive on the real circuit, but I do drive it a lot in my sim (PC2). Really fascinating that one can take these IRL tips and use it in a sim. Not just driving lines, but weight transfer, camber etc. Thanks!
I totally agree about the cones at oulton park. Some of the turn in ones are placed far too late.
What a great video! Please do a lot more, they are really helpful. I’m still planning on doing the Master class, I just have to find the time. 👍🏁🏎
Really good watch, cheers 👍
Hi Scott i really like this concept of video's with driver analysis thanks very much for doing this. i'm only a sim racer but nevertheless i learn a lot from your vids.
Awesome as usual! thanks a lot!!!
You touched a very interesting point scott: the use of cones and how misleading they can be. Oulton was my 1st trackday and my lines were all over the place due to this cones. On my next visit I will use your tips and ignore the damn cones. More videos like this please. Blyton next?
This is brilliant!
Very interesting, I hope the series will be a success
I like this type of video added to the mix..👍
Love this, very educational.
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That's because he has stabilization enabled. If it was disabled, it would look normal.
So, when driving a car, disable stabilization in order to avoid that awkward movement while turning. It also will show you more about suspension's work throw the footage which is great.
Amazing feedback very impressive!
Very interesting!
Way to go Gary!
Great channnel, amazing applicable and helpful information.
Good explanation 👍
Sounds like a great series idea, looking forward to more track day and race laps from mere mortals, less so the sim stuff.
You made me a better Sim Racer. Thx mate!!!
16:09 I gotta say my mind is kinda blown...I never really thought about it before, but after hearing you explain that part about cones, I've realized I've been following the turn-in cones a little too close. Re-watching some of my videos, I now understand what you mean by paying more attention to the exit cone rather than turn in cone.
Where you brake on the pit straight for the first corner, not mentioned. If you brake hard on the raised section it can get very interesting.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, really appreciated!
I really like your stuff. This course looks amazing. I live in IL, we have Road America and some other tracks that are a lot of fun, I am extremely slow at RA, I've got a heavy, powerful car and this light Zenos looks like it would be exciting on the limit.
I might send one of my karting laps at clay would they review it though
I’d love a Croft breakdown 👌
Terrific feedback, Scott! Really helpful to so many of us. I'd never heard about getting to the inside of a hairpin early. Wow, I'd never even considered that before! You have a record at Brands so definitely the person to ask: Would you say this is the case with Druids hairpin at Brands Hatch too? Thank you.
Decreasing corners are the hardest for me. I hit the grass a lot.
Brilliant idea this, noliage is key trust me
yes // verri nice
Thank you - highly enjoyable and accurate. My local circuit and home to my Lotus 211 crash at ......... Old Hall. £11k for finding the grass.
Oops!
Awesome video and analysis! Can we have more maybe with some data embedded in the video?
We have many more scheduled in, some have data too!
Driver61 can’t wait... especially with vbox data. Interested in understanding how to use the gyro meter and the g forces to go faster
would be awesome to have this kind of critique on my driving in the MX-5:) sadly only on Swedish racetracks:/
Really interesting ! The choice of the steering is a bit strange, as it might be limiting the fun potential of the car is other uses ...
I assume that you are talking about the small-diameter U shaped steering wheel? I use it on track because it allows me to see the rev-counter in the driver display which is hidden by the top of the steering wheel in normal driving for me because I am very tall. It's not a great solution because the small diameter of the steering wheel increases the steering load which makes it difficult to feel what's happening at the front axle but, being tall I have to live with it.
Which tracks near the north of England would you recommend for a first-timer? I’m assuming oulton is not the most ideal for this. Many thanks.
Hey Scott
Are you gonna this too with racing games?
I remember you posted a idea of this concept 😅
Yes, I've filmed a couple already! They'll be up soon!
@@Driver61 awesome I'll send you some footage very soon
It's a racing line but it's not set in stone you have to adopt to each unique situation got it
Cascades and Knickerbrook are the worst for me (SIM ACC).
Oulton is very challenging and will punish any mistake.
Do you have an email to submit videos?
Top tip full throttle
Hi Scott, on my channel there is some footage from Silverstone in October where if you watch from 5 minutes in you will see I have a 25 minute cat and mouse battle chasing a GT4 Aston. Would be very interested to hear if you think I could have got him! We won in the end on reliability as the Aston developed a gearbox fault and the Ferrari ran out of fuel. Cheers, Tom.
it's only my second ever race start on cold slicks so you will notice my first couple of laps are on the cautious side (to say the least)
Stay of the curbs, save tires and keep more balance.
you say Oulton isn't the best for practicing, What circuit with you recommend for practicing on?
Anything with large runoff areas (better in tarmac and not grass, which doesn't slow the car down) and medium/slow corners.. so not much in the UK 😂
For practising technique somewhere that's short (for repetition) and has a lot of run-off is best. Silverstone National is a good choice - not the most exciting, but excellent for working on technique.
Bedford Autodrome is also a good bet. I have to admit though, I have not driven it myself.
Why are you not analysing f1 now?
I will do some, but there's a lot to learn from none F1 drivers too!
Came here to learn for acc
Mark Webber sounds different...
When a road curves down (in America) it's called crowning. Truckers and road workers usually use this terminology. Not to critique you but isn't what you do here? camber is angle like a banked corner, a crowned road kinda dips down for easier run-off.
P.S. love all your videos but your mic sucks idk use a better mic, some sound board or something. (this is not the first time)lol
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He doesn't fit in the car. Look at 7:05. Its like a kid in a toy car
Why should i listen to you when you never made a success of racing? Those that can do, those that can't teach.