How Keir Starmer's next 100 days could be worse than his first
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- The Morgan McSweeney-Sue Gray saga, endless stories about freebies and gloomy economic forecasts ahead of Rachel Reeve’s first budget - so, how badly have Keir Starmer’s first 100 days gone and could the next 100 actually be worse?
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On this week’s episode of the Political Fourcast, Cathy Newman is joined by Thangam Debbonaire, who was set to be a leading cabinet minister in Starmer’s government before she lost her seat in a shock result at the election - Faiza Shaheen, who was a rising star in the Labour Party before a public spat led to her running as an independent in July - and Channel 4 News’ senior political correspondent Paul McNamara.
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No wonder Debbonaire was booted out by the good people of Bristol Central - smug and unchastened.
exactly! Resoundly rejected by the electorate, and yet still smug in her own self-righteous believe and overbearing entitlement. Typical left-wing politician so convinced that they are on the side of good, that nothing can shake them, and being rejected by the electorate is just a blip. Some would call that a mental illness
Thangam was arrogant and smarmy it was so hard to watch. Glad she was booted.
Pretty awful that Cathy Newman sat back and let Thangam Debbonaire shout down Faiza Shaheen like that when talking about Gaza. It was a very uncomfortable watch.
Thangam Debbonaire is clearly oblivious to how condescending and sneering she comes across. Rather ironic for for a woman who couldn’t hold onto her own parliamentary seat. Faiza is far too good for Starmer’s new nasty Labour Party.
Your comments are absolutely spot on😊 could not agree more.
Thangam so entitled and rude, Faiza humble and courteous. Disappointing.
speaking of normality Thangham, it's not normal to defend a rich man having his clothes bought for him by an even richer man.
Boris Johnson had his wedding paid for. Truss is a woman but had financial backers, Sunak had his helicopter paid for.
This is normal now.
@@julianshepherd2038 Boris Johnson didn't even buy his our milk.
@@julianshepherd2038so what? They are Tories so we expect that. We had hoped that Labour was different but know. They've completely blown it already.
@@julianshepherd2038
But wasn't starmageddon supposed to be the party of change, the party of service, he didn't clarify he meant to say the party of self service, did he ? 🙄😜🤪🤬💩🤬
@@julianshepherd2038 oh ok, let's just accept this new moral low standard then because boris set the precedent, honestly, you sound like Thangham
Thangham didn't want Faiza to get a word in edgeways when it came to Gaza smh, people like her still think if they talk over you the public won't see the truth😂. We all remember what Keir Starmer said about Israel having the right to starve Gaza.
Starmer is evil 😢
Deboniare demonstrates the weakness of her arguments by constantly talking over Faiza. The Labour right do this constantly on such panels. i think they are all getting the same memo - "if its getting sticky, shout and interrupt". Vacuous cynical nonsense from her from start to finish.
She has always been this way, she was the same on Question Time when she appeared, now she is just a hack and hopefully we may see less of her.
Old zionist tactic.
And this is why Bristol booted out Thangham and will never take her back. What is she even doing here? She's irrelevant.
Woman in Black?Nutcase❣️
Always has been 😮
Never heard of Thangham , but man she's smug for someone that lost their seat.. Being more conciliatory and reflective would have been a better approach
No suprise Thangam lost her seat, the biggest genuine surprise is her managing to get elected in the first place
And why is that a surprise?
She got found out. She sold her soul initially and that worked. Now she’s surplus to requirements. Good Riddance
Like Jonathan Ashworth another Blairite turd that got voted out but won't flush because the MSM keep giving them airtime.
@@stumpaliits a surprise because she is a horrible bully and no better than a tory
Faiza is great! Very refreshing compared to the usual Labour talking heads like Thangam, who come across as very dishonest
A significant part of Starmer's purge of the left of Labour has been a purge on anyone who has campaigned for Palestine. This inlcuded film-maker Ken Loach and Jewish members of Jewish Voice for Labour such as JVL founder member Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, who was expelled within days of having been voted onto the NEC.
And Faiza Shaheen herself was deselected as a candidate - why? Because of her support for Palestine.
And no-one in this discussion mentioned the *6 elephants* in the room. *Unless and until:*
*1) The UK joins the EU once more, there CANNOT be economic growth.*
*2) Labour allow much more migration,* the shortfall of around one million skilled and unskilled workers will continue to inhibit/prevent greater productivity and by extension economic growth.
*3) The Labour Government move away from the Neoliberal (Free Market) Economic model to a Keynsian Mixed Economy model,* there cannot be a realistic plan either to repair/replace crumbling infrastructure or to tackle the huge inequality which has been created by Neoliberal policies for the past 4 decades.
*4) The archaic and dysfunctional First Past The Post electoral system is replaced with Proportional Representation (preferrably in tandem with the Single Transferable Vote)* then we cannot have a truly representative democracy, NOR can we have stable government with long-term planning, because a right-wing government will merely come in and tear down anything achieved by a progressive government.
*5) There is Independent Regulation of the press and media - including monopolies of ownership -* misinformation and disinformation will continue to be spread by the right-wing, billionaire owned and contolled press and media. Sadly Starmer agreed with Rupert Murdoch NOT to implement the reconommendations of LEVERSON 2. What a mistake.
*6) The government devises and agrees a Codified (Written) Constitution there are not enough safeguards for the UK's democracy. There is the ever-present danger of an extreme populist government to turn the UK into a one-party authoritarian state.
The arrogance. It's very off-putting indeed.
If he was For The Country..He wouldn't Stop the Winter fuel payments?
Hes for Himself, only
Not hard to see why Bristol voted her out….. She is the face of Labour that is despised… Streeting, Ashorth, her and her like…. At least Faiza comes across like a DECENT human being, she was badly treated by Labour IMO. No longer my concern though, after a lifetime of voting Labour, I went GREEN as I just couldn’t stomach Starmer mob. I think and hope they’ll do some good but some of them simply make me vomit.
Corbyn fan club speaks. Labour were right to remove Faiza.
Mate. Corbyn lost. He was obliterated. Your side of the party completely blew it, whereas the side of the party you say is 'despised' won a landslide victory. It's time to get over it. You lost. You lost big time.
@@zeddekalook at the percentage Labour won on. It was not a vote FOR Labour but against the Tories as the Tory vote collapsed to Reform letting Labour in
@@zeddekaI think you forget that Corbyn get a lot more vote than this Red Tory Party. The fault is in the system not in Corbyn led true Labour party.
@@zeddekadid they win a land slide 😂 their vote share dropped , it was the tories who got destroyed
Faiza could have been a major asset for Labour.. such a shame what they did to her 😐
£250,000pa between them and the Starmers cant even buy their own clothes.. Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful 😔
Starmer is a multimillionaire
@@CB-dl1vg 7.7 multi millionaire
Or there own heating
💭WELL DONE BRISTOL!
You DEFINITELY voted wisely
👍
Debbonaire is just parroting a line
Starmer is a disaster
Close down the oil, oh wait we need it 😂😂😂
He needs to step down - the British public dont want him as our PM
I do.
This is a representing parliamentary democracy so it doesn't matter what we think for nearly 5 years.
I agree, he's been so divisive, let's have Darren Jones instead. Starmer has lost all credibility.
Then they should have voted
@@AH--173got in on a fiddle
We have deep regrets about him.
vote: no confidence
Starmer is the greatest PM in the last 40 years. End to zero hour contracts, renters rights bill, flexible working default, no more hire and rehire, tribunal rights for unions and workers among many more great policies. Maybe do some research instead of believing everything the news tells you
Let's see if you learn from your mistakes and next time you will do your research correctly
@@Retogwhat a joke
@@Retogand don't forget the over 100k dead Palestinians.
Thangam is awful. Arrogant bully
Labour as opposition and now labour in power utterly shameful snouts in the trough, lies and more lies.
Labour and conservativesare finished
Ive never heard such a load of rubbish .do these people live in the real world.
£50,000 from Israel undelclared by Keir in his leadership campaign and he went back on everything he 'pledged' He's an absolute disgrace! 😔
Is the money a problem or that it came from Isreal ?
@@hanselmansell7555 what has he gone back on..? 🤔🤔
@@JohnnyRingo-c5vBoth! Taking money from a foreign lobby which will have an influence on British politics. Sleazy Starmer staying true to form.
@@JohnnyRingo-c5v
He is a bare faced liar
@@JohnnyRingo-c5v both, and then not declaring it makes it unforgivable, absolutely dishonest.
I don’t really engage much with comments and never set out to be unkind but after watching this I’m not shocked and actually relived Thangam Debbonaire didn’t get into office - she seems like an absolutely vile individual given how she conducted herself and spoke to that girl. Is she not possibly a Tory?
Pensioners don't get FREEBIES. WE GET OUR OLD AGE PENSION. ONLY.
10 raise when workers and nurses got nothing last year.
@@paxundpeace9970 All those rises and still just under 12k p.a. which is around 1k £ under the national living wage.
You also get free bus passes and the poorer pensioners get winter fuel payments as well as discounts on places like Theatres, Museums and Art Galleries.
Buspass?
@@JDL891 Free bus passes are given by the councils and some have provisions. Part of the idea of free bus passes was to get old people out of driving to make the roads safer.
Museums are free and so are the majority of art galleries. And don't forget theatres etc have concessions for under 16s so whats your point ?
Starmer will not make six months, people are sick of him, he has stabbed us all in the back.
People need to stop being sheep and they need to think for themselves
meanwhile, in the real world....
I love Faiza Shaheen 🙌
With her record!
How could it get worse than what he has already done? The man has crushed fundamental human rights; violated the rule of law, engaged in open corruption and is tanking the economy. I am almost scared to find out just how low the bar can fall. The fact that your guests seem to support violations of human rights, gives me pause to wonder what they think would be "good" for the country.
Yes very left wing biased debate.
@@SteveHudson-o9q these same people would be horrified if a grapist got an expedited trial and they were found guilty and sentenced within 3 days. Yet they applauded this when it came to people posting memes. I would rather have offensive memes than people who prey on children out in our society. But maybe these people do not have a moral compass to even recognize the difference?
Facts
Literally none of what your tirade states is true.. you're not a supporter of Comrade Trump are you? 🤣
@@PythonesqueSpam Get you're head out the sand and see whats going on.
We're hoping he'll be gone before another 100 days, he's dangerous and the cabinet are on work experience.
Thingy Thangy is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO POLITICS- Fazia you are a credit😊
And. My Opinion. All M.P.s should hand back All FREEBIES. NOT A MERE £6000
Happy for political journalist to have the freebies though correct? They have as many as the MP's.
@@nicksimmons7234 they didn't say that, stop making excuses
Thangam Debbonaire is very unpleasant. Condecending and patronising in equal measure. Working hard here in case a safe seat comes up sometime soon in a by-election so she can get back up the greasy pole. People voted Labour simply to be rid of the Tories. They didn't pay much attention to what they were actually voting for, because Labour were the only viable alternative. But now they are paying attention to what they elected (well, 33.7% of them did) and they don't like it much....especially Champagne Starmer. The more people of see him the less they like him. It will make no difference how many other people he gets rid of to save himself.....because he himself is the problem.
Thangam Debbonaire needs to go and do some self analysis. She is everything what is wrong with this administration. She is arrogant, so loud, brash and unable to effectively debate.
The cuts in this episode were illuminating
Let the rich leave, they can’t remove their uk based assets from being rightfully taxed.
@@Indiekid-1976 most of those 'uk.based assets' tend to be very 'liquid' rather than 'fixed' therefore unlikely to be able to be taxed. Have you ever been anywhere near a business?
@@phillipliggins1549 th-cam.com/users/shortsMcf6dbxUVx0?si=gYbUnEdYY_boAc0K
They’re leaving because they have the ability to move or liquidate those assets, otherwise they’re not leaving they’re just going on an extended holiday, genius.
@@CB-dl1vg yes, and as more leave, there will be less millionaires to buy their assets and it will be harder for them to liquidate, they will sell for cheaper. Then what, when they are gone? Are you gonna tell me their wealth trickles down? They are the wealth creators?? They are the problem, society’s biggest leeches
All assets can be sold at the right price ask yourself who's going to buy guilts oh yes it's the bank of England who has huge losses on there guilts portfolio which has rendered them technically insolvent just like the country is bancrupt debt to GDP 150 percent and they can't pay it back
My god Thangam Debbonaire is unbearable
Triumphs??? Great Britsh energy, will see bills rise and will show no benifits for at least 10 years! Renationalise the railway because British Rail was such a success! Bravo
I voted Green.
No regrets.
Politics is finished God will return and the people will be set free
We were warned about his illicit connection with Saville to get Charles off da hook
Not much ‘diversity of thought ‘ there channel 4, no tories or reform politicians 😂
Paul is a Tory
I can understand why the woman in black lost her seat.
Will she try to stand for Reform next?
Thangham is nowhere near good enough to be in the reform party.
Tories
Define "change" and its broader connotations, Radical change is never a really good thing, Gradual is better, 100 days in and its the end of the world for some people.
Before you ask or comment I don't support Labour.
Sir. Should be Spelled CUR.. Mr. Starmer
The first hundred days of this government is like opening a packet of malteasers and realising that’s not what they are!
Free Palestine.
free Israel
It's proven being a broad church political party is always going to be a pain in the backside.
Faiza shaheen speaking truth to power once ahain 💪🏽🙏🏽
In 2008 when we bailed out the banks we bailed out the wealth of those who had made spectacularly bad investment decisions. In return we got 14 years of decline. The arrogance of these people, to take their ball in when they might have to pay a bit of tax, is breath taking
Thingy thingy is incredibly rude, talking over everyone. Sound as if she been reading 📖 up on Rev Keir, 🤓🤓think she wants a job
It is strange how they completely forgot or ignore, to talk about how they get the money to pay for the war in Ukraine and Israel
There could be a Cry to remove Starmer after the Budget on 30 October, if they blow that.
A woman in glasses should take a chill pill. Aggressive woman!
So glad I voted Green, when I see Thangam Debbonaire defending Labour's policy on Gaza. Well done Faiza Shaheen for calling out Labour on this and other issues. You are far more impressive than the arrogant Debbonaire, as all the comments here show.
Yes they have changed, to disaster!
Keir Starmer is clearing up the Tory mess. Imagine you buy a house that’s falling down. You can’t just start putting wallpaper up and painting. You might have to pull the whole house down and rebuild on the land. It takes time.
Starmer said at the beginning that Israel had the right to stop water getting into Gaza.
I hate most is the CGT rise, that is double/treble taxation. This is disgusting!
Personally I would prefer a wealth tax on anyone with over 10m in assets like the Greens have proposed. However it does make sense to tax capital gains at the same rate as income because if your income is say from dividends only you are most likely wealthier than most and paying tax at a lower rate than most
Even people who haven’t got a lot of money but have worked hard and saved hard so they could help their families are thinking of leaving.
Thangam is right. Channel 4:here are reacting to the media stories, not the reality. The media stories are a storm in a teacup.
20 grands worth of suits and 2 grands worth of glasses?....it was actually 2 donations of £16,000 making £32,000, and one of those donations was initially 'mistakenly' registered as office expenses....Get it right FFS.
"investing for growth" and "stability" are just buzzwords with no substance. And so far, there is still precious little substance
Darren Jones for leader. Starmer has blown it 😔
No better than Starmer. He basically has identical politics
@@jackwilliams1625 I disagree, he's playing the game, Starmer's a tyrant and he knows it.
@@hanselmansell7555 he's closely aligned to the Israeli lobby. He's no better than Starmer -mark my words
I wasn't part of the decision maker , nor there.....chair of the women's party, all shades of red !
I reckon Debbonaire is going to become more and more disliked by Bristol Central after this conversation. As for not being at the cabinet table. She's demonstrated how bitter she is for losing.
And when labours position on Israel Palestine was brought up, she really didn't understand why people are sick to death of Starmer.
Nor was housing discussed, which is a massive issue in Bristol. What's she got to say about labours woeful action on housing? Nothing about rent controls, no fault evictions, higher council tax on people with multiple properties? I can't see Starmer doing any of the things.
All they talk about is building more homes, all relying on private equity to deliver. Private equity that only gives a shite about quick bucks and selling debt. Not decent affordable homes and community programs.
Debbonaire is Labour's Badenoch - unjustifiably arrogant, shouty, and disrespectful.
Pangolin is living in a parallel universe
Let's ask do we need a popular prime minister who may be able to succeed? Kier need to fix the Tory mess without thinking about being popular
This is such small fry compared with what Corbyn and co did - sentencing Britain to TWO further terms of Tory government
Noi dont want any change from this evil party get out now
Im a labour supporter but im glad thangham lost her seat, she talks over people
Dilusional
YEAH BLAME THE TORIES FOR LABOUR INCOMPETANCE
Starmer could start by recognising Palestine like most of the world and stop being a poodle to the US.
Labour la la land. "I voted for a ceasefire with Starmer" - that will have a huge impact for both sides because they have such a huge international influence. I wonder if the Labour representative went to Athens on Alli airlines on a Waheed package deal.
Labour did not make difficult choices, they made deliberate cuts targeting the vulnerable. Starmer got on his knees to appease the well paid in Unions & they will keep him on his knees with more unreasonable demands - he will be viewed as a weak, sycophantic cash cow to be constantly milked.
Why is all i can think about is Macbeth
As a listener…although I doubt you read the comments…I gave up after all the interruptions to the speaker. Make a rule that each person is allowed to make their point in turn. There’s nothing more annoying than everyone speaking over each other and often the original point is lost as the interrupted replies to the interrupter
They didn’t promise change in a certain time period.. 🙄🙄🥴🥴🥴😎
Is this the same Fiasa who wanted to be part of the clan until she was rumbled. Wrong un
He definitely won't be standing at next election.
How could anything be worse!!!
I am gonna give starmer on old fashioned indian name. Mr One Brain Cell
Strange that the Tories chap on this program left out the Chagos Islands fiasco but that might be due in part to the fact that it was James Cleverly that opened up talks over the Islands, in the first place.
However, as an ardent fan of Yes Minister and the sequel Yes Primeminister, it seems clear to me that civil servants are often those that are responsible for opening these cans of worms and that ministers often end up as the scapegoats when and if anything goes wrong.
Who cares? There is another 1,000 or more days before he has to go back to the electorate. He has a huge majority. Stop pissing in the wind. Do a report instead on hunger in Gaza. Give the time over to sport. Stop wasting our time.
😂😂 Ed milliband a success let's see....
That woman in red glasses is ghastly 😊
Labour Woman whos dad was a sikh so shes not racist the fact the death in paslestine are muslim is irrelvenat yes she lost her seat shes not bitter unlike Faiza who split the anti tory vote with her suspsnsion for supprting hte green party in the ifrst place
How to ruin our economy...............net zero
kier only cares about stealing as much as he can
VVanker is universally disliked.
She's far from being debonair.
The little we give Israel allows F-35s to fly.
Worse pm in my 53 yrs life. VOTE REFORM ❤
liz truss crashed the economy in less than a month, i dont like starmer but hes still an improvement
@@dag3014truss never trashed anything - the msm crushed her on the orders of the globalist elites and WEF.
@@phillipliggins1549the Markets lost faith in her and Britain, they don't get their info from the MSM except the Financial Times.
I hope Reform get in because Scotland would leave.
He stopped the riots over 1000 Arrested and most of them already prosecuted.
He raised pay for nurses and firefighters by about 6%
Stopped the strikes in hospitals.
Teachers got better pay to and an restored payrise.
The rich will just get up and leave!
Good