Refugiums: Why they are beneficial to a reef tank

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  • @2019freddie
    @2019freddie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm a big fan of refugiums, for all the reasons you mention. They offer a natural alternative to using technology and chemicals. Not only that, when it's mature and full of life it becomes a second viewing area, sometimes as interesting as the main display.

    • @DEXTER-TV-series
      @DEXTER-TV-series 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      3:48 Do copepods and other microfauna indeed not killed by return pump ?!

  • @ozarktalent
    @ozarktalent 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you for your honest statement that, even for you, your tank always has "problems/challenges". As a new reefer this helps me enjoy the process.

  • @zerkis69
    @zerkis69 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mark, my wife and I love to watch your videos, you help me stay motivated, with our busy life to be a better reef husband.

  • @spokanesurvivaltrainingand5797
    @spokanesurvivaltrainingand5797 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't even have a saltwater tank and I love your videos,intelligence of all things is addictive

  • @coinage8356
    @coinage8356 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just found your channel today. I had a tragic weekend in my first ever salt tank and I really, REALLY needed to hear this intro today. thank you.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry to hear about the recent losses. Hang in there!

  • @michaelmonahan9738
    @michaelmonahan9738 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You don't need to change a thing. I watch just to see the beautiful part of the world you have created and care for. You have truly done a beautiful job of carrying for Gods sea. Thanks.

  • @KillerKev1961
    @KillerKev1961 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for another great video. I now run refugiums in both of my reef tanks. Its absolutely beneficial and another crucial key to a stable, healthy and simple way to maintain water parameters.

  • @cubanreefer1582
    @cubanreefer1582 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's very thru , you one of the only ones that actually replied to our comments
    Great work buddy

  • @herper6
    @herper6 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing. When I build my new sump I will definitely include a bigger section than I had planned for a refugium!

  • @andrewr022488
    @andrewr022488 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Mark, I really enjoyed this video! Sometimes I enjoy the refugium more than the main display! Of course the main display is more beautiful, but seeing the refugium can sometimes be more captivating as its something we don't usually see and is also beautiful in its own way.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I used to spend a lot of time on my belly gazing into the refugium zone. :)

    • @andrewr022488
      @andrewr022488 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      melevsreef I've done the same thing many times, although the refugiums I've had have never looked as nice as yours, I do love critter watching, it really is a peaceful feeling. I've always liked planted freshwater tanks (I've never owned one) and having a refugium is kind of like having the best of both worlds, reef tank display and a nice macro growth in the fuge. I've got a JBJ 30 RL and I'm growing mangroves in the back at the moment but I'm making my list to upgrade to either a 60 cube or 65 gallon RR. I'll definitely include a nice refugium in the build. I've always wanted to have a dedicated refugium system that would gravity flow down into the sump. I saw one that my LFS was using and I loved the idea of having a sumo that had to stay behind closed stand doors. Having a display refugium is like having a clean engine bay on your car, compared to a refugium that works, but it's really dirty and not something you'd like seeing.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, keeping it clean and appealing and still be practical as well as useful is my plan. I've seen a handful of beautiful display refugiums that were stunners, and you could tell the person knew exactly how to prune the plants for the most pleasing display.

    • @andrewr022488
      @andrewr022488 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      melevsreef Do you ever worry about your feather caulerpa going "sexual" under your reverse lighting schedule? I started doing some research online and the forums seem to think that a reverse lighting schedule would make it go "sexual" and some said 24 hour lighting would prevent it but as soon as you turn off your 24 hour lighting that would trigger it to go "sexual" as well. I'm drawing up my plans for a sump and I'll probably do something like you've got with the protein skimmer in the back left area, refugium running across the front portion and then the back right portion as the return pump area. I'd like to use some feather caulerpa as well, its an aesthetically pleasing macro algae, I'll probably also run chaeto as you are along side the caulerpa.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, this type does do that. Never has, which is why I prefer it.

  • @Ricardo-ff5wi
    @Ricardo-ff5wi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great outlook!...So true and very comforting."NATURE IS MESSY!"

  • @modolla81
    @modolla81 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid Mark, you hit it on the nail in the beginning of the vid. I think MANY people can relate. Comes with the hobby I guess, always a work in progress.

  • @-8_8-
    @-8_8- 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was very informative. After my long water quality issue, it's nice to see how responsible you tubers are. I am frankly surprised and delighted by the instructions on how to destroy invasives. I am thinking of doing a fresh water version of this to support a terrestrial tanks with water features.

  • @charlieeagler7639
    @charlieeagler7639 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey... Thank you for sharing all your videos. I dont have a refugium for my tank, but I u used to grow feather caulerpa algae in my sump... I used to grow like crazy, because I had nothing else to filter the nitrates and other nutrients....later on I added some stuff that took my space and I just couldnt keep the plants in it. While I had this algae in my sump, I used to constant give some to my fish... They did love it (not sure is good or not for them, but they DO LOVE eating chaeto and feather algae). A month ago, I found out about this little refugium that I could hang on the side, which I thought I was a super cool thing, so I bought one; I went to get some chaeto, but after a week, it seemed to be getting white and dying, and I had to removed half of it. After doing some research, I got to the conclusion that maybe I didnt have the right light for the chaeto (I was using the light that came with the little refugium box).... Yesterday I got a different kind of light that stimulates plant growing, and I also got the feather algea.. I really hope that works. By the way.. I am in California and I have got the feather caulerpa algae from a local fish store... I didnt know it was a typed as pest in the State. Thank you for all the tips and info. By the way, your tank looks amazing.

  • @adyp81
    @adyp81 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an awe inspiring reef tank,can't wait to see what you've got in store for it, I'm glued to the edge of my seat. Cheers

  • @yearight1800
    @yearight1800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks man this is my favorite hobby I use to have just freshwater fish but transitioned to saltwater. It was a little more expensive but well worth it.

  • @ajpogi3794
    @ajpogi3794 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are a big help for us beginner reefers :) Thank You!

  • @litoloco4fish
    @litoloco4fish 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your journey and that you take all who watch with you...ive learned s lot

  • @willparsons32
    @willparsons32 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It makes perfect sense why you wouldn't put the algae directly into your display tank.. (12:05) But what about the spores created by the algae? Would they not flow through the return and into your display and eventually take root into your live/base rock?

  • @feedthatreefaddiction1508
    @feedthatreefaddiction1508 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always enjoy seeing your fuge Marc. Macros are cool

  • @kenhickey4730
    @kenhickey4730 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Marc, great information as always. Enjoy your day!

  • @reeferexplained8846
    @reeferexplained8846 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great 👍Job just starting in sump area for refugium

  • @gflinski
    @gflinski 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's going to do a new aquascape I bet!!! Haha I really like how it is now but it would be cool to see if he does. I know he mentioned in another video that he LOVED his old..200 and something..280 gallon aquarium? Maybe make it similar? Love the videos! Keep em coming!

  • @Chub4Chevy
    @Chub4Chevy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos and experience sharing Mark. Thank you for all you do.

  •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video, explanation and refugium. Cheers!

  • @NITRO4KTHOMPSON
    @NITRO4KTHOMPSON 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info. I have been considering a refugium for my 120 gallon mixed reef tank. Seems like I have to make some room in the sump now.

  • @mad_incognito
    @mad_incognito 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 250gal tank with a sump where I have a chaeto in the middle section with a Neptune Gro light. After switching of my skimmer due to lack of nutrients for the chaeto I started to see some growth. Is there a big different between an in-sump vs an external refugiums?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, in sump or separate yet tied in to the main system doesn't make any difference.

  • @theoriginalgiz
    @theoriginalgiz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks as always for your knowledge and experience, invaluable on the journey with this hobby

  • @MrLabYoshi
    @MrLabYoshi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video, so much details. thank you for making this.

  • @k.3004
    @k.3004 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like your videos! The art of reef-keeping is something that interests me. It shows the complexities and value of these ecosystems. I might take a study on marine-biology to do something to help my country's precious waters. Especially what another country has been doing right now!! Making islands on large coral reefs which took MILLIONS of years to be created, now all gone. (Among many unjustices that face our waters, we must make it live until the future if we want to live in the future at all! For the benefit of the world.) Cheers, K.

  • @tsurro8086
    @tsurro8086 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tried cheatomorpha four times myself, never grows, instead I went back to caluerpa!! Same kind as u great stuff!!

  • @petemancuso5188
    @petemancuso5188 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative video you do a great job keep up the good work

  • @mujacko2002
    @mujacko2002 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love the real talk. And yes i love plants and i want macros to be my main tank.

  • @Cliffepoos
    @Cliffepoos 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to run my tank with feather calurpa in it. My tangs and angel fish loved it, but as you said, it pretty much stops corals growing. Pretty though.

  • @abiel2019
    @abiel2019 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your tank! Can't wait for those days I'm excited now

  • @reeferexplained8846
    @reeferexplained8846 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mark, great video well informed interesting would like to start flowing algae to remove algae from taken hold of main display.

  • @SequoiaElisabeth
    @SequoiaElisabeth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find your videos very informative! Thanks for all you do :-)

  • @jesseharrell4429
    @jesseharrell4429 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Very informative. Thank you

  • @CescaTheDarkHorse
    @CescaTheDarkHorse 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video with some good advice. I've just started a 96X24X24 Reef build with a 50 inch sump and will definitely run a Refugium. Have a look at my Reef build if you have time :)

  • @jaysreef5721
    @jaysreef5721 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always dig your videos man! Thanks

  • @Justthemow
    @Justthemow 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the um mangrove stuff do you not like it in you fuge I think maybe it would look good at the beginning where the water rushes in where it's thin

  • @headrushproductions1667
    @headrushproductions1667 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    super awesome Mark. Great video. :)

  • @rdkingjaxfla1423
    @rdkingjaxfla1423 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos Mark....love them all. Couple questions: 1- did you have you’re refuge tank special build for those dimensions or did you buy it that way ? 2- most refuges that I’ve seen have skimmers and filter socks.....is this a special kind of refuge that doesn’t need skimmers or socks ? 3- what kind of light are you running for that refuge ? Thanks so much for all your info.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I build sumps for a living, and this is one I made back in 2010: www.melevsreef.com/tanks/melevs-reef-custom-acrylic-sump
      The light is 6500K LEDs from a company that is no longer in business.

  • @teddygerstein3575
    @teddygerstein3575 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting you mentioned seahorses. Would you ever House seahorses in a refugium?

  • @jvgomes73
    @jvgomes73 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now what about using a protein skimmer doesn't it suck out all of the Copa pods? In the next question is do you use a filter soccer anything to strain out cause I know a lot of copis get trapped in there as well?

  • @pvt.watson5
    @pvt.watson5 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Live in central Florida and I buy from live-plants.com all the time. Great people to buy from.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your experience. :)

  • @TattooedDancer91
    @TattooedDancer91 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks great. In my future tank I will make very large refugium. I'm thinking to add a couple inches sand, and live rock rubble covering over it a few inches, for the caulerpa to grow in and on. Instead of having them float. What's your take on that? Is it too difficult to trim then?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's a good plan. Just remember that rock will never be used in your display ever again. The roots will weave their way through the rock and new vines will appear... so if you know that rock is sacrificed to this particular zone forever it's a good plan.

    • @TattooedDancer91
      @TattooedDancer91 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks, well I was planning on making it permanent and maybe even a display refugium. I can imagine a few large rocks with lots of surface area, covered in different algae would look cool. As little islands of algae, and just trim the shoots that try to escape the rock.

  • @denaliglender993
    @denaliglender993 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for givin us this vídeo 😇👍🏻

  • @prieto08
    @prieto08 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are 1 of my favorite thanks for your help

  • @truthfulboy1993
    @truthfulboy1993 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    hello sir, big fan of your reefs, i'm going to set a tank with 1 display tank, 1 refugium tank(same size like 90x45x45centimeter), and 1 sump, so i'm relly confused about the waterflow. what should i do wwith it , sir? like water from display tank ---to>> refugium--to>> sump then back to display or some else? which is better way plz
    , i cant figure it out,
    best regard!

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, that’s how I have mine running. Unfiltered reef water drains into refugium and the refugium flows into the return zone, to be pumped back up to the display.

  • @hhinojosareef1
    @hhinojosareef1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome information bud. Keep it up!

  • @arbinghising9023
    @arbinghising9023 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I needed to hear that. Thank you

  • @AnasAnsari-lo8tq
    @AnasAnsari-lo8tq 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always love to see you video.you taught me a lot thanks and keep it up.

  • @vanhalenman60
    @vanhalenman60 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    im not 100 percent on california but i just bought calerpa two days ago but the shop us closer to nevada than the coast i think its a county or city thing more than a state law

  • @dennisb5877
    @dennisb5877 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 2 maxima clams in my modified 29 gallon biocube. Would growing chaeto in the back chamber harm the clams by possibly removing nitrates the clams need?

  • @BarrasAquariumstv
    @BarrasAquariumstv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    excellent video!!

  • @ljara1978
    @ljara1978 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i have a 40 gallon tank and have a small HOB maybe 1.5 gallons and it works perfectly fine..

  • @CoralReefkid
    @CoralReefkid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey I’ve been doing a lot of research about refugiums and I’ve come across a question: is it okay if you make the entire sump a refugium? I was curious to hear your thoughts. Love the videos btw

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A big refugium is very nice, but what about other things like heaters, reactors, dosers, skimmer and more? All of those need to go somewhere too.

    • @CoralReefkid
      @CoralReefkid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      melevsreef good point. Thanks for the reply!!

  • @thewell-roundednovice8852
    @thewell-roundednovice8852 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    For running a deep sand bed for denitrification, is there any benefit to different grain sizes of sand? (Like putting a couple of inches of finer sand on the bottom and larger towards the top....)

    • @thewell-roundednovice8852
      @thewell-roundednovice8852 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also... for the refugium... do you see any problem with having a tight lid to limit evaporation?

  • @medo6067
    @medo6067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's the sad story in many hobbies. people bring non native plants to their area and dump the remains to their environment and the invasive stuff takes over creating a huge problem for every one. There are tons of horrible stories every where, Australia and Florida are couple of them. You guys should always encourage people to use ONLY natives in their hobbies no matter what. What to do with extras? Do your search, contact your local environment experts and authorities. Don't just dump things into your swage system, rivers or the sea and think that they are gone. bcz they may still alive and effect your area in un controllable ways

  • @cubanreefer1582
    @cubanreefer1582 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mark you convinced me of cleaning all the gunk on my back glass and just leave it plain black wish by the way looks way better ( just the way my wife want it to have it , when we set up the tank)
    But my friend you need to clean your side of the tank is not going to be tank of the month!! Just kidding you have a great tank and is beautiful
    Keep teaching us please don't stop making videos
    Thank you!

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +CUBAN REEFER I totally agree and have been putting it off. Time to set up the Walkboard again and get it scraped.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +CUBAN REEFER check my instagram. Hehe

  • @siondaneshrad6761
    @siondaneshrad6761 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats your opinion on sulfer reactor to help control nitrate? Or do you think adding a larger portion of the sump to more macro would be more effective?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've still never used one. I borrowed one to try out, but my tank was back to nearly 0 nitrate so that test would have been pointless. I like biopellets, they have made nitrates a non-issue for my reef. Macroalgae does all the nice things I mentioned, but you'll notice I didn't discuss it helping reduce nitrate since it never did in my own system.

    • @siondaneshrad6761
      @siondaneshrad6761 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      melevsreef thanks! Any article or video you suggest on biopelets? And seriously, you replying is amazing. Keep up the great channel!

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here's my video, and in the video description on links to some articles too. th-cam.com/video/aRHf8b1H5u4/w-d-xo.html

  • @cheekeongng4608
    @cheekeongng4608 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi. Nice video. Would like seek some advice from you. If i am dosing trace element to the reef tank. Do i need to dose more if i have a refugium? The algae will absorb some of the trace element in the tank i suppose? Please correct me if i am wrong.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just dose what the tank needs. Don't add extra 'to be safe', and consider that if you can't test for what you are dosing you could very well be using too much as it is.

  • @HybridHerps
    @HybridHerps 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid! Always interesting to learn more about the other critters that going into keeping a reef tank running. So much focus on the fish and coral it gets hard to grasp some of the more utilitarian things.
    I'm still confused about the whole thing of algae going sexual, can someone explain that to me? I'm coming more from a background of planted freshwater aquariums so theres lots of little things in salt water that are still mysterious to me.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's when the plant bleeds out all of its green fluid within into the water column, and the mass turns clear. Within a few days, the clear plant collapses, falling apart as you try to remove it. There's more to it, but that's the gist of it. No-one wants that to happen, and this particular species I showcased does not do this.

    • @HybridHerps
      @HybridHerps 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there a good list of what species do and don't go sexual and what causes them to go sexual?

  • @kinsgabil5004
    @kinsgabil5004 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gr8 bro....I m impressed with it valuers...it is awesome

  • @pinkyfilters
    @pinkyfilters 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    tank looks awesome!

  • @jessebrown1400
    @jessebrown1400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The "Hot Pink" light you mentioned is usually a blue LED with a red filter and garbage and I agree.
    HOWEVER, there are some lights and cob chips you can buy that are true multidiode lights. The best ones have reds blues etc but also infrared and ultraviolet diodes.
    Those are the real deal, they do have a pinkish hue because of the red and blue but the ultraviolet (which you don't get from white LED's) actually penetrates deeper into the chloroplast layers of the plant tissues.
    My friend has a tank with t5's and he switched one of the 2 bulbs to a UV and noticed his carpeting plants were growing faster in his freshwater.
    395nm+ is great for plants, the diodes with UVB's can be too much and also bad for human and animals eyes. Staying higher in the wavelengths is safe while still reaping benefits.
    BTW, your video was very good and you explained everything very well and I also love the feather caulerpa!

  • @StewardshipGardening
    @StewardshipGardening 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Mark! Do you have suggestions on any critters that can live in the refugium that wouldn't destroy the pod population, as in that can cohabitate with pods?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Snails, cucumbers, starfish all are possible candidates. A fighting conch, a small urchin perhaps. Just consider the size of the refugium before you add things so those items don't starve to death. Or feed the fuge to keep them fed.

  • @tehol1
    @tehol1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 75 gallon tank I am going to use for my refugium and I was wondering how many hours you run your light. Would it benefit it at all to run a powerhead to move water around? Or just use the discharge from my overflow?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      9 hours a day should suffice. That's how long mine is on. A powerhead could help with some nice circulation, provided the plant doesn't clog that pump's intake port.

  • @sixfootswellband
    @sixfootswellband 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos. I look forward to them. Are you going to try the triton method?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Ruby Cadilac I don't know. I'll be talking to them since they have a huge booth at MACNA next week.

  • @tbaloni
    @tbaloni 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well said!

  • @matsteel2292
    @matsteel2292 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting vid thank you.

  • @matthewgreen2931
    @matthewgreen2931 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mark, I run bio pellets and wondered is there still a benefit of setting up a refugium in my sump? I do like the way you can grow your own pods though :)

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I run both since each offers benefits to my reef. If you have the space, incorporating a refugium is a good choice.

  • @Davelembo
    @Davelembo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanx for the video. I love my fuges and they always do well. Lately I have found myself on the fence with Miracle Mud. I haven't used it, I hear good things but for mud, It is a bit pricey. Any thoughts?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sand will suffice. If the mud was as great as it implies, we would see lots of proof and everyone would be using it because they'd want the same results.

  • @MauiBigBlue
    @MauiBigBlue 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Culerpa technically invaded our estuarine environments in several backwater tidal areas in Carlsbad (San Diego) it was no joke and the efforts made to eradicate it was costly and time intensive. It was floridana if my memory serves me correct.

  • @andibandi1190
    @andibandi1190 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    could you establish an Artemia population in the refugium?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t think there would be enough food in the refugium to keep them going. Check with Chad at Reef Nutrition as he would know more.

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So do you in any way try to "rescue" pods when you take out a hunk of macro algae? Or are they just a casualty of cleaning?
    And color me in the category of living in California and being pissed that some dummy dumped it in southern california and now everywhere in the state it's banned. Don't get me wrong I'm sure chaeto can do the job, but the "green steel wool" look doesn't look anywhere close to as nice as macro that has rooting capabilities.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to try to shake out the macroalgae to scavenge the pods, just like some people try to find all the ones that are trapped in their filter socks. But unless it's crawling with them like ants, odds are the few you lose won't after the population *that* much.

  • @LuSilvabv
    @LuSilvabv 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, Mark ! Why don't you like the pink refugium light ?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hate the look, that's the only reason. If we lived in a world where the daylight was pink and all the plants grew, I'd accept it without question. lol

  • @litoloco4fish
    @litoloco4fish 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos i learn something..

  • @TerraReef
    @TerraReef 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool vid. I would bet if you lowered your drain pipe into the water so the 90* elbow is at least 80% below the surface you would get a lot more algae through out. The water dumping in degases some CO2 that the "plants" (algae) could use. I wish my refugium on my personal system looked that good.(dealing with some heavy metals)

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I will be changing how the water enters the refugium in the near future.

    • @HybridHerps
      @HybridHerps 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does algae actually benefit from increased co2 levels? I thought it was only true plants that did...but my background is more in high tech planted tanks where we run excess co2 to give the true plants more growth potential over the algae that we deal with so perhaps in a system without true plants algae can utilize the co2 better? (shrug)

    • @TerraReef
      @TerraReef 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Algae does use CO2. If you use a calcium reactor it is wise to have the effluent lead into the beginning of the refugium section.

  • @Emmanuel-rs7eu
    @Emmanuel-rs7eu 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I currently have a very small refugium with Chaeto in my sump. My overall system is 29 gallon and i was thinking of adding a separate 29 gallon refugium side to my tank with chaeto. If I add dry sand in it, will it cause a cycle if i add it with my existing tank? Ive been hearing about Trion and its benefits...

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, dry sand does not cause a cycle, ever. Nor does adding live sand. Sand is sand.

  • @NationalReefing
    @NationalReefing 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is feather caulerpa considered a Marine Plant or micro-algae like Chaetomorpha Algae? and Do you think the larger the refugium the less light-intensity matters? Thank you!

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Micro algae is Hair Algae (derbasia) or Bryopsis. Caulerpa and Cheato are macro algaes.
      The taller the refugium, the more lighting is needed to penetrate the water. Some have reportedly thrown tons of wattage at their refugium and see massive growth, so there is validity to lighting choices. People have used T5s, VHOs, Metal Halides to grow these plants, but LEDs are the less energy-consuming choice of course.

  • @KillerKev1961
    @KillerKev1961 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gorgeous display. Refugiums are for a place for nuisance algae to take refuge-rather than the display!

  • @ultimaterockpool2400
    @ultimaterockpool2400 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    True words well said.

  • @kasonf2176
    @kasonf2176 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    With running your biopellets to reduce your nitrates do you find that it's tough to grow the macro?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven't seen any issue despite running biopellets. I expected it to be a serious competition, but that hasn't been the case at all.

    • @kasonf2176
      @kasonf2176 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your response. I started using bio pellets on some of my clients tanks and was hesitant to add macro. I added cheato to one system on a reverse daylight cycle. It slowly deteriorated on me. After seeing how your macro is thriving in spite of the pellets, I am going to look into what else could have been the issue so that we can get it going on all of these tanks.
      Thanks for these videos. I've been a long time fan of you before I found you on here, and honestly your videos far exceed the informative.
      Thank you!

  • @psteeleb
    @psteeleb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Marc - Assuming no other plans, I'd be happy to lend a hand when you work on your tank in September. Let me know

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +psteeleb That would be awesome, Pete. Haven't seen you in forever.

  • @sheldonjessup
    @sheldonjessup 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    one thing that i am always wondering what is best, Fuge before skimmer? or fuge after skimmer i have heard many opinions on both.

    • @bennyboy97100
      @bennyboy97100 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      sheldon jessup I've always been told that fuge comes after skimmer to reduce the death of pods.

    • @sheldonjessup
      @sheldonjessup 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was my feeling too, but Triton has it first, so i was curious

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always recommend away from the skimmer. My sumps have input from two sections (one to the skimmer, one to the refugium) and both zones then pour toward a combined return zone. That way the skimmer can't export the copepods; they can flow right up to the display.

  • @TerraReef
    @TerraReef 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would try to remove the red bubble algae while you can. If the one fish in the display that eats it gets sick you are going to have some problems in the display. Also if you trade coral with someone who has a nano and a tiny bit of algae is on the base... They might not be able to ethically put a tang in their tank that will eat it.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the tip, I might as well since it isn't doing anything good for the system.

  • @vascojardim6703
    @vascojardim6703 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mark, I am a big fan of your videos and a subscriber for a long time. This one is another great one! I have been trying to keep cheat in my refugium but unfortunately the whole thing just seems to get smothered in GHA and turn brown. My refugium at the end of 3 months just turns into a mess of GHA and starts polluting the water column with tons of GHA filaments (I believe it is derbesia). I have always had near zero Phosphate (0,018 according to latest Triton test) and zero Nitrates. I have heard that macro algae needs Nitrates to grow and a zero Nitrate tank tends to have GHA issues. Would love to hear your thoughts on this 😊

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Macroalgae needs nitrate, phosphate and iron to thrive. The lower those numbers, the tougher it will be for plants to grow. Assuming you have a nice strong light for the macro, it could just be the tank lacks what the plants need currently and you've got to get those parameters in the target zones. I'll be talking about those this Saturday.
      Suffice it to say, my tank has some nitrate and some phosphate. I run biopellets and use Phosphate Rx to keep the numbers reasonably low.

    • @SeahorseWhisperer
      @SeahorseWhisperer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You're definitely right that zero/low nitrate and phos tanks likely have more gha issues because there is usually an unnatural ratio of nitrate to phos. Gha is simple and doesn't require as much as other algaes to grow, so it can thrive with less of either, consuming whatever trace amounts of phos/trates aren't being used by coral, at levels so low we can't see them on tests. We see zeros, but those trace amounts are enough for the gha 👎🏼. Feeding macros in a separate area is the basis of a refugium, but people forget to feed, leaving only enough nutrients for simple gha algaes to grow.
      I've run a low nutrient tank, while keeping a refugium happy by "feeding the fuge". This can be as simple as feeding the tank more, dropping a few food pellets directly into the macros, or dosing phos and trates at very low levels directly to the fuge. I've done all 3 of these things without seeing phos or trate levels rise.
      There's my 2 cents, and now I'll anxiously await Marc's thoughts with you :).

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      All excellent points, Kelly. :)

    • @vascojardim6703
      @vascojardim6703 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I have been toying with the idea of dosing Nitrates (Seachem Flourish Nitrogen)... that form of Nitrogen did you use?

    • @SeahorseWhisperer
      @SeahorseWhisperer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I use brightwell neonitro and neophos mainly on macro/seahorse tanks, but want to clarify that I would first try the pellets in a reef refugium. A little nitrate and phosphate goes a long way, and dosing either can cause a lot of harm if you don't test like crazy and go VERY SLOWLY in a refugium. I have only one reef with refugium, and multiple macro tanks. It's easy to forget that people don't love algaes as I do, and use them only for nutrient control. Refugium algae like caulerpa and chaeto might just need better lighting or iron, as Marc pointed out. If you use red macros like Gracilaria, potassium can make a huge difference also. But, for a low nutrient reef tank refugium, I would personally try adding the pellets, feeding more, increasing or changing lighting, adding a little iron or potassium (based on testing) and only try dosing nitrogen if none of those work. Feeding a fuge actual food is much simpler than trying to find a sweet spot dosing products.
      Sorry for the change of direction, but I wouldn't want you upset with me if your algae thrived, but coral died. Last comment: although a refugium can be beautiful and very helpful in reducing nutrients and algae in a display, if your tank likes to grow GHA, an algae scrubber might be perfect for you :). Same concept of using the algae in a separate location to keep the DT clear, but you already know you can grow GHA no problem, lol. Saves space too!

  • @bubbasrcworld8353
    @bubbasrcworld8353 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know it's a little off topic from this video but I figured I would ask since refugiums deal with nutrients. I am having a dino issue ONLY in my sand bad. I don't really get bubbles with it and I would 100% think it's diatoms if I didn't look at it with a microscope. I can not get rid of it to save my life. po4 is .02 and no3 is below 2ppm. I have dosed peroxide also at 1ml to 10 gallons but doesn't help. Any tips?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dinoflagellates? Have you considered turning the lights off for three days (simply unplug them from your timers), and continue dosing 3% peroxide the entire time. How big is the area affected?

  • @jessearmstrong9843
    @jessearmstrong9843 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have miracle mud in my refugium, which is about to expire. Thinking about removing all of it, and just leaving the algae. Your thoughts.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never been impressed with Miracle Mud. 1" of sand usually works well enough for me.

    • @jessearmstrong9843
      @jessearmstrong9843 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      melevsreef Thanks so much for the reply. Sand is a lot less expensive. !

  • @hunter555
    @hunter555 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been fighting a gha invasion for about a year. I've got my nutrients so low now that my chaeto in the refugium melted away but I'm still fighting off the gha! Thinking of shutting down the refugium, what do you think?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You may need to clean it out and reset that zone. I've done that in the past if it got beyond messy. GHA needs to be manually removed in bulk (have you watched that video yet?) and then add a lot of clean up crew to get the last of it. If you have a 100g tank, you need 100 critters. New hungry ones will do far better than the few you have in the tank now that are worthless slugs. ;)

  • @26Tackle.reviews
    @26Tackle.reviews 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would this be beneficial for a fish only marine tank of 6ft 2ft 2ft ? and would it keep nitrates down and reduce need for so many water changes

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It can help out compete nuisance algae, but it won't eliminate water changes in a fish-only system.

    • @26Tackle.reviews
      @26Tackle.reviews 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks melevsreef :)

  • @ahmetmutlu3779
    @ahmetmutlu3779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we use Clarithromycin(antibio) tablet for cyano ? I hate cyano cause it is so slimy.. Thax for video by the way.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t know. Sorry. I either use Chemi-Clean or RedCyano Rx.

  • @doccecil2636
    @doccecil2636 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does running bio pellets and having a Refugium complement each other or do they compete against each other?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Doc Cecil I expected them to compete but that has not been my experience.

    • @doccecil2636
      @doccecil2636 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      melevsreef Thanks! I'm setting up a 60 cube and I'm trying to figure out the best filtration.

  • @COOPERSCICHILDS
    @COOPERSCICHILDS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video

  • @screamingchowman
    @screamingchowman 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there Marc, great video. I'm growing chaeto like crazy in my fuge. I'm adding a calcium reactor this week, and I'd like to remove my GFO (Rowaphos) reactor from the system (one less thing to clog), and just rely on my refugium to continue to control algae in the display. What do you think?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It definitely will outcompete the micro algae that tries to take hold in your tank. And that's what I've been doing with my reefs for years. :)

    • @screamingchowman
      @screamingchowman 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      melevsreef cool, so removing the GFO might not have a negative effect, just let the macro algae do its job?

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It won't have a negative effect, it just won't be there to remove phosphate like you are used to. I simply dose Phosphate Rx as needed.

    • @screamingchowman
      @screamingchowman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      melevsreef - Just ordered Phosphate RX, 10 micron socks, Hana checker, and studying - thanks man

  • @ArrickthaRed
    @ArrickthaRed 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mark have you used refugium mud like miracle mud in your refugium or just sand. I used it and had really good results but i think the tank thrived cuz the refugium was very healthy it had a ridiculous amount of life. Btw going to macna for the first time. See you there.

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Be sure to find me and introduce yourself. :) I've only used sand.

  • @bigrazzer
    @bigrazzer 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    were did you get the led light for your refugium

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That company is no longer around.

  • @mr.reeftank1456
    @mr.reeftank1456 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you run your Fuge light 24/7? I thought calerpa will spread all over if not run 24/7? thanks

    • @melevsreef
      @melevsreef  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you may have skipped over that section where I discussed it. :) No, I run them 9 hours a day, and this type doesn't misbehave like other species of caulerpa.