forgive me, for I am ignorant of him... Does this Mannfred possess a similar list of lore-crimes equivalent to Robutee Girlyman of the Ultrasmurfs Chapter? Or does he have a different lore-sin?
@@zephyrstrife4668 sort of. He's more comparable to Cato Sicarius. Essentially, he's low-key a bit annoying, people wish they'd focus on other vampires even if they don't hate him, he's a self egrandizing idiot who's a tactical genius because the writers say he is, not because he wins or is competent, and he low-key killed the setting, and probably killed a named character you liked more than him because people kept trusting fucking mannfred.
Just some small details to add: Heinrich Kemmler is actually probably one of the oldest Warhammer characters, appearing in one of the first Boxed Scenarios for Warhammer (Terror of the Lichemaster -1986) boxed set and then reappearing in 'Vengeance of the Lichemaster' scenario Citadel Journal Spring '86. He disappeared for many years before reappearing in the 4th edition warhammer armies Undead. So less unrestrained canon creation than a canon 'necro'. Literally. The first time I saw Nagash and read his background I thought that he was a copypasta of another early Warhammer Novel character Drachenfels the great Enchanter, written by Jack Yeovil (Kim Newman) in 1989. He shared with Nagash the fact that they were both immortal terrible necromancers and were both humbled by Sigmar in battle. I think somewhere along the line there may have been copyright issues, and Drachenfels stopped being the warhammer worlds great baddy, until he reappeared as 'the nameless one' in End Times as a slightly less terrible threat, until a possessed Luthor Huss burns the enchanter out with the POWER OF FAITH!. Or something. The Felix and Gotrek short story is interesting in that GW messed up the canon with this one. Gotrek and Felix featured in short stories in the early Warhammer novel anthology, Ignorant armies (1989) way before the collected Trollslayer novel came out. However in 1994 its was an interesting extra aside into their adventures. Then Bill King continued to write stories for the pair, but the short story made no sense canonically with regards to 6th edition (long story). Eventually some of the weird non canonical excepts would be collected in Black Library Felix and Gotrek: the lost tales.
"Harry the Hammer", or whatever his canon name is is older. He was on the cover of the first edition of Warhammer, and was still canon up until the End Times, where he was a brutal-yet-calculated Chaos Warrior who worked on his own. He died.
@@richtheunstable3359 You're probably right, as Golgfag was in all three iterations of Regiments of renown, which is why I said *one* of the oldest. Unless we count Harry the Hammer of course.
Christmas carol has ghosts. Horror counts as Christmassy. The Varghulf is my favourite vampire unit in TWW, due to being a giant, flightless vampire bat, complete with gallop like the real animal.
Balian from Kingdom of Heaven had clearly played WHB 4th edition. He used scatter terrain to mark inches from his catapults when he planned the defence of Jerusalem. Clever lad.
Although not my favorite army, I consider this to be GW's crowning achievement in terms of army books. There was so much lore in that book and so well written, I would never tire of it. Also these were the good ol' days when most undead armies were lead by necromancers and liches. Silly models aside, I much prefer this design of Nagash than the one we got with endtimes. That artwork of him reading from the book surrounded by undead has epic written all over it.
Dieter Helsnicht sounds german but in German it would be Dieter Höllenritter -> Dieter Hell Knight Dieter Hellsnicht -> Dieter Light Not -> Dieter Dark lol
Alexander Dittner Ich glaub es sollte Hellsnacht heißen und nicht Hellsnicht, da nur ein Buchstabe falsch geschrieben wurde, anstatt einem ganzen Wort. Dadurch ergibt auch Hell Night mehr Sinn als Hell Knight.
@@Azoth86730 yah but I wonder how much of the difference between real German and fantasy German is just an English speaker trying to imagine what German is like 😆 . Back in the 80s you couldn’t just punch words into Google Translate. You had to make it up.
Everytime i hear "Skeleton warriors!" all i can think of is James Stephanie Sterling, thank you *Edit, I have updated this comment to respect their name & pronouns.
Could've mentioned that despite being released as 4th edition army book, this was used in 5th edition as well. Dedicated 5th ed. Vampire Counts book was released during the fifth edition, but at the very end of it (like year before sixth edition). For most of 5th, people used that one, which was pretty common for 4-5th editions. Many armies played with both 4-5 editions with same army book after all (skavens, dark and wood elves, dwarfs, orcs and goblins, the empire, chaos dwarfs).
I used Dietet Helsnicht's manticore for my Night Goblin general back in the day. All armies could chose from that list of monsters, with very few omissions.
5:21 guess range in the gw shops were easy. table was always 48x48 and you knew your deployment zone distance 12 inches usually. Every opponent was always amazed when my imperial guard mortar accuracy was 100% on the nose every time :)
Yes exactly and you could always just measure each table before the game anyways. A friend of mine became pin point accurate with his looted Ork basilisk after a while no matter how big the battlefield was.
This was my first army book for my first army. I loved it. Tons of variety, fun characters, distinct gameplay. My favorite units were the undead chariots. I used to love raising them behind enemy units the dansing them into combat all in a single magic phase. Also loved giving Settra an artifact that made him explode when he died, mounting him on a chariot, and slamming him into the enemy like a missile for impact damage plus artifact damage and mummy curse when he inevitably died. Nagash was such a badass. Wights were neat, especially the metal mounted wights that were super impressive models when first released. Such a cool army.
As a proud owner, in the early nineties, of three (3) skeleton army box sets and two (2) of the Skeleton War Machines, along with one set of the Nightmare Legion, bolstered by Heroquest minis, this takes me back to a happy Christmas unboxing 4th edition Warhammer and slaughtering an unlikely Elf/Goblin alliance over the dinner table. Back then though, it seemed fairly clearly that this 'Nagash' was what we'd call now a retcon or reskin of Constant Drachenfels, and of course the Lichemaster was an old friend from 3rd.
This was my first Warhammer Army book! I was so excited to get it, but when I got to the store they didn't have any in stock. After some discussion among the staff they offered to sell me the very slightly foxed edition they used to play instore with, with a discount no less! I was so happy.
It was the book that introduced me to Warhammer back in the 90's. I was really impressed by the gothic vibe and learned to draw skulls like in the lore pages. I have a sweet spot for undead and necromancy since that time.
Personally, for me, this TOTALLY has a holiday vibe, because my most vivid memory of Christmas 1998 was painting that generic Vampire Lord (with the sword and the dracula cape) between rounds of the computer Risk game with my brothers on my ancient 90s Mac, while my mom was playing a Christmas Medley featuring Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time, Floating On The Air, and a Pavarotti rendition of Go Tell It On The Mountain. So pre-split Undead are, and always SHALL be, a Christmas army in my mind. (I also actually received the Bretonnian army book and a box of plastic knights for Christmas that year).
I like how the Undead book is. The Vampire Counts and later Tomb Kings were expanded upon in lore and some units, but lost many basic options because they were split up. For example the Undead Horsemen with Lances were not in in the Vampire Counts list and I missed them. When they did reappear it was as a downgraded Cavalry in the Tomb Kings, and they permanently lost their Lances. The loss of this was a big blow that was never quite recovered Skeleton Warriors were a lot better in 4e than later thanks to equipment options. Heavy Armor, Great Weapons, Bows, and Crossbows(!). Zombie could equipment armor, shields, and Great Weapons. Wights could use Spears. Mummies were monster-infantry with great weapons. Screaming Skull Catapult artillery. Skeleton Chariots The glory of the combined Undead Legion is not regained until The End Times Nagash brought them back together about 20 year later.
This is super interesting, thanks! Interesting to see how much stuff got re-used into other factions. I like where they ended up with the factions (at least my impression of them as of Total War Warhammer 3), but I do sort of wonder what might've been if they'd done it differently. *Undead* might've been the "horde undead" faction, characterized by huge armies of skeleton/zombie variants, the central faction strength would be its necromancers (and some lieutanant troops) being able to replenish reinforcements mid-battle, and they'd be led by a liche, gheist, or nazghar (in order: caster, evasive assassin type, and legally-distinct-nazgul warrior) *Vampire Coast* would remain shooty undead. *Vampire Counts* would change a lot, losing most swarm chaff (those are now undead troops) and gaining a lot more vampire variety. Basically just make minor versions of the variants they've already kinda explored: vargeists, cecrach, strigoi, etc. Essentially make vampire counts way more vampire than they are now. *Tomb Kings* I'd shift to make a bit more Egypt-inspired (and slightly less horde-like to space them out from this new Undead I proposed). So _currently_ they have Anusib-inspired hyena-headed Ushabti. I'd add all sorts of new versions of that * cavalry-sized Horus-inspired flying eagleman infantry, * human-sized Bastet-inspired catperson heavy infantry, * a tall Ushabti-sized Ra-inspired sunbeam-laser hero, * etc Basically it feels like there's enough room for all those factions to remain fairly distinct. Honestly while I love their faction design overall, I think there's so much potential for a High-Quality-Low-Quantity Vampire Count army that feels like the undead equivalent of Protoss from Starcraft, where it's all very powerful (and expensive) combatants and far less swarmy than the typical undead army.
The best (and close to accurate) parts were the parts with oculus. It's fun watching people who may not have been alive when a book came out stumble through it and project their current feelings into it.
This was my first armybook, bought from a local bookshop that was also the only place to find minis around our way. Reccon I've still got this and my brothers Orcs and goblins book and the rulebook at my parents attic 😊
THE SHRINE OF CHAOS SALUTES YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN FOR YOUR QUALITY AND POTENTIAL: WE HAVE YOU IN OUR SIGHTS AND YOU WILL BE CONVERTED. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Undead was sort of my first Warhammer army, as I got a box of plastic skeletons (including horsemen and a chariot!) for Christmas in 1989. I'd actually stopped playing Warhammer fantasy by the time Warhammer Armies: Undead came out so it's pretty interesting to learn a bit about a bunch of things that so many feel nostalgia for yet which for me all happened after my first time with the hobby.
I love skelly bois and some other Undead armies. I also love them when they are able to never break for morale but simply come back to fight or just fight to death. It’s always fun.
Very good installment of the series! Originally got into Warhammer after my brother started collecting Vampire Co8nts and it's cool to see some more of their history. Many thanks and Merry Christmas!
So it was ‘96, when I was in middle school, when I was pulled into this hobby. Read this book and almost all of them at the time. Never got free of it.
This wasn't Nagash's first appearance in the lore. He was mentioned in previous Army Books (primarily, I think, the Skaven book) and the Crown of Sorcery (his hat) was a major magic item (as worn by a special character, Azhag, in the Orc & Goblin book)
Fun Fact : Wayne England accidentally trod on me at the original Cambridge store during its Game’s Day, he was looking for Terminator models for the event , I (12 years old) was crouched in the corner looking at the Snotling Models on the bottom shelves, he nudged me and exclaimed “oh sorry!” and gambolled on his way”. It was hardly GBH or Earth Shattering news but I was touched, literally by a God. RIP Wayne.
this takes me back to the time when i allowed a friend to play only deiter henslicht and his manticore alone against my equally pointed army of bretonnians and he killed the lot. they have been exiled to a shoebox ever since until a week ago when i started repaining them for full tilt. since 1997 i have never won a Warhammer fantasy battle ........... cant wait for old world
"Mannfred von Carstein was also there"
I like how passive agressive this line was
Which is all he deserves.
forgive me, for I am ignorant of him... Does this Mannfred possess a similar list of lore-crimes equivalent to Robutee Girlyman of the Ultrasmurfs Chapter? Or does he have a different lore-sin?
@@zephyrstrife4668 he's more of an unlikable guy. If you want a Mary Sue, then it's Archaon you're looking for
@@zephyrstrife4668 sort of. He's more comparable to Cato Sicarius. Essentially, he's low-key a bit annoying, people wish they'd focus on other vampires even if they don't hate him, he's a self egrandizing idiot who's a tactical genius because the writers say he is, not because he wins or is competent, and he low-key killed the setting, and probably killed a named character you liked more than him because people kept trusting fucking mannfred.
He also destroyed the the warhammer fantasy world because yolo...
So yes screw that guy.
Awww, no info about the Wight Lords/Barrow Lords and how sometimes they'd just wake up and be totally non-hostile and wonder where their kingdom went.
Just some small details to add: Heinrich Kemmler is actually probably one of the oldest Warhammer characters, appearing in one of the first Boxed Scenarios for Warhammer (Terror of the Lichemaster -1986) boxed set and then reappearing in 'Vengeance of the Lichemaster' scenario Citadel Journal Spring '86. He disappeared for many years before reappearing in the 4th edition warhammer armies Undead. So less unrestrained canon creation than a canon 'necro'. Literally. The first time I saw Nagash and read his background I thought that he was a copypasta of another early Warhammer Novel character Drachenfels the great Enchanter, written by Jack Yeovil (Kim Newman) in 1989. He shared with Nagash the fact that they were both immortal terrible necromancers and were both humbled by Sigmar in battle. I think somewhere along the line there may have been copyright issues, and Drachenfels stopped being the warhammer worlds great baddy, until he reappeared as 'the nameless one' in End Times as a slightly less terrible threat, until a possessed Luthor Huss burns the enchanter out with the POWER OF FAITH!. Or something. The Felix and Gotrek short story is interesting in that GW messed up the canon with this one. Gotrek and Felix featured in short stories in the early Warhammer novel anthology, Ignorant armies (1989) way before the collected Trollslayer novel came out. However in 1994 its was an interesting extra aside into their adventures. Then Bill King continued to write stories for the pair, but the short story made no sense canonically with regards to 6th edition (long story). Eventually some of the weird non canonical excepts would be collected in Black Library Felix and Gotrek: the lost tales.
"Harry the Hammer", or whatever his canon name is is older. He was on the cover of the first edition of Warhammer, and was still canon up until the End Times, where he was a brutal-yet-calculated Chaos Warrior who worked on his own.
He died.
please tell me it's not a Himmler reference
Golgfag I think is older. There was were many regiments of renown with named leaders with miniatures. But Golgfag is one who kept coming back.
@@richtheunstable3359 You're probably right, as Golgfag was in all three iterations of Regiments of renown, which is why I said *one* of the oldest. Unless we count Harry the Hammer of course.
Christmas carol has ghosts. Horror counts as Christmassy.
The Varghulf is my favourite vampire unit in TWW, due to being a giant, flightless vampire bat, complete with gallop like the real animal.
Also, the nightmare before christmas
"And Mannfried was also there." pretty much sums up his entire impact in the franchise pre-Age of Sigmar.
Wasn't he essentially a key part of the end times? If he'd kept up his end of the bargain we'd be playing 10th edition now and not shitmar.
@@lindagoad2163 His role in the End Times is literally all he actually did.
Ah OK I'm not down with the undead lore I haven't played the game since they were a combined army book.
Still caused age of sigmar the bald c**t
He's done sweet fa in Age of Sigmar so far as well. Maybe he'll be important next End Times again.
@@NMahon He's at least mechanically relevant in AoS. He was so unused in fantasy that some Vampire Counts army books didn't even have him.
Watching yall venture so far from your comfort zone is a great christmas present
Nice profile picture. Looks really good!
@@foxtubelp6359 it's from a dead artist. If ur being sarcastic, it's like saying having a pfp of the mona lisa is bad.
It is finally time for more Codex Complaints.
Edit: I have crippling dyslexia.
Frog having leadership 10 is just sublime...
General: "They are my the finest warriors. And they shall know no fear."
His Finest Warriors: * Ribbet *
Tbf I've never seen a scared frog
You ever seen a frog run away from a battle? No you damn well have not
Frogs are amphibians, do you know what else are amphibians? Salamanders.
Frogs are AOS salamanders confirmed
That fucking....Sylvania joke....I saw it coming and it still got me. Fantastic
Balian from Kingdom of Heaven had clearly played WHB 4th edition. He used scatter terrain to mark inches from his catapults when he planned the defence of Jerusalem. Clever lad.
Although not my favorite army, I consider this to be GW's crowning achievement in terms of army books.
There was so much lore in that book and so well written, I would never tire of it.
Also these were the good ol' days when most undead armies were lead by necromancers and liches.
Silly models aside, I much prefer this design of Nagash than the one we got with endtimes. That artwork of him reading from the book surrounded by undead has epic written all over it.
Snipe's immation of a northern accent is hilarious and as a northerner, worries me.
"Dryer than Ben Shapiro's wife" - holy shit, somebody get an ambulance
Oh god lol
SHE IS A DOCTOR GODDAMNIT
shes a doctor folks.
drier than Jordan Petersons' underpants.
I don't get it, but then again I don't know who he is.
Dieter Helsnicht sounds german but in German it would be
Dieter Höllenritter -> Dieter Hell Knight
Dieter Hellsnicht -> Dieter Light Not -> Dieter Dark lol
still not a very clever name :D
Reikspiel is basically pseudo-German just like how High Gothic is pseudo-Latin.
Alexander Dittner Ich glaub es sollte Hellsnacht heißen und nicht Hellsnicht, da nur ein Buchstabe falsch geschrieben wurde, anstatt einem ganzen Wort. Dadurch ergibt auch Hell Night mehr Sinn als Hell Knight.
I think it’s supposed to be “hell night” and not “hell knight.”
@@Azoth86730 yah but I wonder how much of the difference between real German and fantasy German is just an English speaker trying to imagine what German is like 😆 . Back in the 80s you couldn’t just punch words into Google Translate. You had to make it up.
that Transformers transition was *chefs kiss* perfect!
“Dryer than Ben Shapiro’s wife”
That’s going In the 2020 quotes book for sure
Drier
My years of being a Super Best Friends fan prepared me well for that "Skeleton Warriors" joke.
SKELETON BALL!
@Michael Fox *rolls eyes*
:(
That dig at Ben Shapiro was a thing of beauty
Everytime i hear "Skeleton warriors!" all i can think of is James Stephanie Sterling, thank you
*Edit, I have updated this comment to respect their name & pronouns.
Thank god for them.
If rather never think of them but to each their own i suppose
9:20 that transition was nostalgic.
Could've mentioned that despite being released as 4th edition army book, this was used in 5th edition as well. Dedicated 5th ed. Vampire Counts book was released during the fifth edition, but at the very end of it (like year before sixth edition). For most of 5th, people used that one, which was pretty common for 4-5th editions. Many armies played with both 4-5 editions with same army book after all (skavens, dark and wood elves, dwarfs, orcs and goblins, the empire, chaos dwarfs).
I used Dietet Helsnicht's manticore for my Night Goblin general back in the day. All armies could chose from that list of monsters, with very few omissions.
I miss those days
That Ben Shapiro burn was one of the best I've heard, Merry Christmas to everyone reading this
Since Oculus Imperia was in this *(Ahem)* Ave Imperitor, Gloria in Excelsis Terra...
I love the old 4th edition army books. Brings back a lot of memories.
That “drier than Ben Shapiros wife” line has earned my like lmao
was certainly unexpected
DAP
Right?? Always nice to learn a 40K channel isn't a closet fash lol
@@johnadams4427 a trick I’ve noticed is check what channels they follow. If arch is on the list, nope out of there. Fast.
Indeed. Savage realy, quite lovely.
One of my fav snipe and wib videos. Been waiting for almost a year for another fantasy themed one.
"Dryer than Ben Shapiro's wife" caused me to choke on my water while laughing
Can we go back to huge fluffy books like this? This is the kind of stuff I love.
The Undead: Vampires, Zombies, Ghouls, Et Settra, et settra, et settra
”Heinrich Kemmler”.
Oh my god, thats on goge vandire levels of evil as fuck names!
5:21 guess range in the gw shops were easy. table was always 48x48 and you knew your deployment zone distance 12 inches usually. Every opponent was always amazed when my imperial guard mortar accuracy was 100% on the nose every time :)
Yes exactly and you could always just measure each table before the game anyways.
A friend of mine became pin point accurate with his looted Ork basilisk after a while no matter how big the battlefield was.
Came back to this video for the millionth time to hear that Ben Shapiro line again… it’s especially funny knowing that people got mad at it
This was my first army book for my first army. I loved it. Tons of variety, fun characters, distinct gameplay. My favorite units were the undead chariots. I used to love raising them behind enemy units the dansing them into combat all in a single magic phase. Also loved giving Settra an artifact that made him explode when he died, mounting him on a chariot, and slamming him into the enemy like a missile for impact damage plus artifact damage and mummy curse when he inevitably died. Nagash was such a badass. Wights were neat, especially the metal mounted wights that were super impressive models when first released. Such a cool army.
Honestly, the thing that surprises me the most is that someone else remembers that the "Skeleton Warriors" show existed.
As a proud owner, in the early nineties, of three (3) skeleton army box sets and two (2) of the Skeleton War Machines, along with one set of the Nightmare Legion, bolstered by Heroquest minis, this takes me back to a happy Christmas unboxing 4th edition Warhammer and slaughtering an unlikely Elf/Goblin alliance over the dinner table.
Back then though, it seemed fairly clearly that this 'Nagash' was what we'd call now a retcon or reskin of Constant Drachenfels, and of course the Lichemaster was an old friend from 3rd.
Merry Christmas and Sanguinala to all of you!
Always loved the cover of that codex. They all look like they're having so much fun.
I already wanted Oculus to make a series on the OG fantasy lore, but now I have a taste of what it could be and I NEED MORE.
Goodness, I remember reading that opening crawl in my room like...over and over again. The HQs in this book are legendary.
This was great. Loved it and the subtle humor. I miss warhammer fantasy so much.
When Snipe and Wib got other 40k youtubers over I glee. Thank you for this Christmas gift. (Oculus is AWESOME)
This was my first Warhammer Army book! I was so excited to get it, but when I got to the store they didn't have any in stock. After some discussion among the staff they offered to sell me the very slightly foxed edition they used to play instore with, with a discount no less! I was so happy.
God damnit I miss the old unpretentious soft-cover army books
16:38 Looks like Dave Gallagher had a thing for dramatically raised hands.
Seven seconds into the video, and I already want Snipe's clothes. *In a good way.* 😰
"Probably should have done this in October."
Jokes on you I'm watching it in October!
It was the book that introduced me to Warhammer back in the 90's. I was really impressed by the gothic vibe and learned to draw skulls like in the lore pages. I have a sweet spot for undead and necromancy since that time.
Hate to bring it up but the name doesn't translate to hell night since hell is "Hölle" in german and night is "Nacht" and Not "nicht" wich means "Not"
@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord but Geheimnis Nacht means Secret night or night of secrets
To add to the confusion: Hel (with a single l) was the ruler of the underworld in norse mythology.
Personally, for me, this TOTALLY has a holiday vibe, because my most vivid memory of Christmas 1998 was painting that generic Vampire Lord (with the sword and the dracula cape) between rounds of the computer Risk game with my brothers on my ancient 90s Mac, while my mom was playing a Christmas Medley featuring Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time, Floating On The Air, and a Pavarotti rendition of Go Tell It On The Mountain.
So pre-split Undead are, and always SHALL be, a Christmas army in my mind.
(I also actually received the Bretonnian army book and a box of plastic knights for Christmas that year).
I like how the Undead book is. The Vampire Counts and later Tomb Kings were expanded upon in lore and some units, but lost many basic options because they were split up.
For example the Undead Horsemen with Lances were not in in the Vampire Counts list and I missed them. When they did reappear it was as a downgraded Cavalry in the Tomb Kings, and they permanently lost their Lances. The loss of this was a big blow that was never quite recovered
Skeleton Warriors were a lot better in 4e than later thanks to equipment options. Heavy Armor, Great Weapons, Bows, and Crossbows(!).
Zombie could equipment armor, shields, and Great Weapons.
Wights could use Spears.
Mummies were monster-infantry with great weapons.
Screaming Skull Catapult artillery.
Skeleton Chariots
The glory of the combined Undead Legion is not regained until The End Times Nagash brought them back together about 20 year later.
Lol that Shapiro zing was badass.
Watching anything he does is a masterclass in logical fallacies
Facts dont care about his feelings
As a Vampire Counts player, this is a fantastic Christmas gift! ❤️
Great video, the first WFB I bought and still my largest army! Plus, loving the Jazz Jackrabbit music at the end, very seasonal!
Heinrich Kemmler?
Huh.
I guess Butcher was making a reference.
A great thing about the early undead, was that Citadel made plastic models for them prior to 4th edition, great cost saver.
It’s great to hear oculus speaketh the words:
D A D D Y - S K E L E B O N E S
5:37 , I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought the screaming skulls sounded kinda similar to lost souls!
holy crap that "Sylvania" joke killed me
This is what I grew up. I started in 7th/8th grade. Brings back memories!
Absolutely love this book. Most of the lore was later reprinted in the Liber Necris, which is a lovely tome in itself.
That bloody scream at 5.38 was a hell of a thing whilst watching this mid Xmas Eve evening doze!
This is super interesting, thanks! Interesting to see how much stuff got re-used into other factions.
I like where they ended up with the factions (at least my impression of them as of Total War Warhammer 3), but I do sort of wonder what might've been if they'd done it differently.
*Undead* might've been the "horde undead" faction, characterized by huge armies of skeleton/zombie variants, the central faction strength would be its necromancers (and some lieutanant troops) being able to replenish reinforcements mid-battle, and they'd be led by a liche, gheist, or nazghar (in order: caster, evasive assassin type, and legally-distinct-nazgul warrior)
*Vampire Coast* would remain shooty undead.
*Vampire Counts* would change a lot, losing most swarm chaff (those are now undead troops) and gaining a lot more vampire variety. Basically just make minor versions of the variants they've already kinda explored: vargeists, cecrach, strigoi, etc. Essentially make vampire counts way more vampire than they are now.
*Tomb Kings* I'd shift to make a bit more Egypt-inspired (and slightly less horde-like to space them out from this new Undead I proposed). So _currently_ they have Anusib-inspired hyena-headed Ushabti. I'd add all sorts of new versions of that
* cavalry-sized Horus-inspired flying eagleman infantry,
* human-sized Bastet-inspired catperson heavy infantry,
* a tall Ushabti-sized Ra-inspired sunbeam-laser hero,
* etc
Basically it feels like there's enough room for all those factions to remain fairly distinct. Honestly while I love their faction design overall, I think there's so much potential for a High-Quality-Low-Quantity Vampire Count army that feels like the undead equivalent of Protoss from Starcraft, where it's all very powerful (and expensive) combatants and far less swarmy than the typical undead army.
Boom! Chaos Bomb! with much love from dave and kirioth.
The best (and close to accurate) parts were the parts with oculus. It's fun watching people who may not have been alive when a book came out stumble through it and project their current feelings into it.
Still can't find that onlyfans.
Just saying.
The council demands saucy Wib pics!
@@NMahon FEET FOR THE FEET GOD
References to a CAPCOM game and two awesome animated shows within a Codex Compliant, what a Xmas gift 😄
This was my first armybook, bought from a local bookshop that was also the only place to find minis around our way. Reccon I've still got this and my brothers Orcs and goblins book and the rulebook at my parents attic 😊
Chaos bomb from Kirioth and Dave. Stay awesome you two.
Snipe, I love all your Die Hard shirts !
and now the vampire counts have been re-added back to the game. pretty excited, vamps were my first warhammer army.
THE SHRINE OF CHAOS SALUTES YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN FOR YOUR QUALITY AND POTENTIAL: WE HAVE YOU IN OUR SIGHTS AND YOU WILL BE CONVERTED. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Luv the slightly menacing way Snipe says "Open iiìiiiiit!
For me, the first thing of note about that book is how absolutely metal that cover art is.
Eyy! Nice to see some oldhammer!
Got to say guys, you've been killing it this year. Your content has been one of my favourite things on the 'toob!
And never forget that Settra hates water because he does not surf. Or serve. Who knows.
4:16 "Drier than Ben Shapiro's wife" - that's a savage burn for this (or any other, really) time of year.
9:19 Oof. Right in the nostalgia
That narration by Oculus was excellent, always cool to see some guest narrators! I would genuinely like to see more WHFB videos.
Undead was sort of my first Warhammer army, as I got a box of plastic skeletons (including horsemen and a chariot!) for Christmas in 1989. I'd actually stopped playing Warhammer fantasy by the time Warhammer Armies: Undead came out so it's pretty interesting to learn a bit about a bunch of things that so many feel nostalgia for yet which for me all happened after my first time with the hobby.
"Mummies, being drier than Ben Shapiro's wife..."
SHOTS FIRED
I would feel sorry for Ben Shapiro, but he is Ben Shapiro so I feel sorry for his wife
She is a doctor though!
Also I have to entirely honest, I loved that Lord Nagash miniture, he looks like he rightly dominated the field of battle.
As a primarily fantasy/aos player I am always happy to see 40k players getting to see our side of the world.
An internet kiss from Wib might be my most treasured gift of the season.
I love skelly bois and some other Undead armies.
I also love them when they are able to never break for morale but simply come back to fight or just fight to death. It’s always fun.
I stopped playing awhile ago but I've kept the army books, I've really enjoyed them
Merry Christmas, Snipe & Wib! We need more Warhammer Fantasy episodes in future, love this!
Very good installment of the series! Originally got into Warhammer after my brother started collecting Vampire Co8nts and it's cool to see some more of their history. Many thanks and Merry Christmas!
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So it was ‘96, when I was in middle school, when I was pulled into this hobby. Read this book and almost all of them at the time. Never got free of it.
Videos make this make me want to get into Warhammer fantasy and then I remember the old world is gone and I get disappointed
Jesus rose from the dead and so did most of that codex's contents, so it works I guess
In that case, they should have saved it for closer to now. That way it could be an Easter special.
merry Christmas and thank you for giving a warhammer novice like me during the lockdowns of this year understand Warhammer much better
This wasn't Nagash's first appearance in the lore. He was mentioned in previous Army Books (primarily, I think, the Skaven book) and the Crown of Sorcery (his hat) was a major magic item (as worn by a special character, Azhag, in the Orc & Goblin book)
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Greetings! Miniwargaming Dave says "Hi!" From the Shrine of Chaos. Awesome video, btw! :D
Fun Fact : Wayne England accidentally trod on me at the original Cambridge store during its Game’s Day, he was looking for Terminator models for the event , I (12 years old) was crouched in the corner looking at the Snotling Models on the bottom shelves, he nudged me and exclaimed “oh sorry!” and gambolled on his way”. It was hardly GBH or Earth Shattering news but I was touched, literally by a God. RIP Wayne.
this takes me back to the time when i allowed a friend to play only deiter henslicht and his manticore alone against my equally pointed army of bretonnians and he killed the lot. they have been exiled to a shoebox ever since until a week ago when i started repaining them for full tilt. since 1997 i have never won a Warhammer fantasy battle ........... cant wait for old world
The Shapiro comment made 2020 a whole lot less shit. Thank you Snipe
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