Funny story, I’m 70kg and fitted the 58t. I agree it might feel like it launches a little harder but that actually is short lived and over a 20 or 30m run into my jumps the bike actually is at a slower speed when I hit the jump, using the std sprocket I am at a faster speed over the same distance. I think it really depends on riders weight which sprocket to use. 52 might be a better compromise for someone my weight with the 58t it loses too much in the middle and top for my liking
Pretty sure you put that on backwards man. Might not actually make a difference, but it will be stronger with the braces facing the other direction due to the rotation of the motor.
I was wondering if someone was gonna comment...looks like it’s on backwards dude. Usually when anything is milled with a ‘swirl’, it goes w the rotation. I’m sure it works all the same.
My friend and I both buy the same stock Surron light b and his fastest then mine we both have 48 tooth sprocket’s why’s? Mine will do close 50 or better in a good days but his will do close to 60-70 miles per hour
better option IMO is to upgrade the controller. stock controller only does ~180 phase amps.... aftermarket ones can do well over 400, ie 200% stock torque rather than 120%, and smoother response to boot. Costs a bit more than a sprocket and chain though :P
I did exactly that...getting it next week. Just curious if you're running the stock chain and sprocket with yours or did you use something different? I was looking at this chain: D.I.D 420 NZ3 Super Non O-Ring Chain and also thinking about leaving the stock sprocket on.
Troy Muni Did you get the battery and controller? If so how is it going? I’ve run the 48T, 54T and the 58T sprockets. I was thinking about getting the 52T sprocket and the 72V battery and controller. Hopefully that would give me more torque than I have now with the 58T and also higher top speed.
Guys it is just increase starting speed, normal and max speed will decrease. It is physics. If you want to increase max speed you should take lower T disk on it.
im curious if the speed limiter will still limit it to 45kmh? that would be cool cuz a hidden speed unlimiter switch would make a whole lotta more sense that way if it was illegal from the getgo i'd just stick to a switch and maybe a 52T
@@JPTulo if the speed is calculated by engine rpm then bigger gear = less speed it will show 45kph but actually go slower than that i assume i was thinking that it might calculate speed based on a sensor near the wheel but since thats not the case better stick to a smaller sprocket maybe
@@waldhelm4567 You’ve got the right idea, but backwards. A bigger wheel sprocket will give you a slower top speed. A smaller sprocket will give you slightly more top speed despite the speed limiter. You can also temporarily bypass the speed limiter with a series of brake sensor or kickstand sensor commands. Or permanently bypass the limiter by clipping the governor wire.
@@waldhelm4567 Never mind, I see you edited your post. You’ve got the right idea. You can either have more torque, or more speed from gearing, you can’t have both.
Sweet, i need one! Did it come with the cain piece to install? And does it work with the x model o ring chain or is it like the luna sprockets where you can't use the kit at all and gotta just get a whole new chain and chain breaker?
Don't use an x or I ring chain with a surron...too much resistance. Use this..most mx and hare scramble racers use them and I have for yrs. They are light and run smooth. D.I.D 420 NZ3 Super Non O-Ring Chain Don't use chain waxes or lubes, you will cuss them out for being horrendously dirty even after washing, just use WD-40 in a rag and wipe chain...it will stay new and clean for yrs. Oh yeah, don't get the wd on your paint or powder coated stuff it will dull it out, especially plastics. It's easy on an mx bike cause our swingarms are aluminum so I just spray and forget. Trust me, it's a great purchase for your surron.
@@electricisbetter thanks, theya re now in the mail! Now to find some good bark Buster's and that rubber flap that protects the shock from dirt. Not sure where to start there but I know I want it
I ending up using this one. Works great! LWL Motorcycle Plastic Kit Front Wheel Fender Mudguard For KTM65 SX 2016-2019 110cc 125cc 140cc 150cc 160cc Dirt Pit Bike TaoTao DB27(orange)
Get rid of the oring chain...not necessary. Go with a gold non oring chain, it's faster, and just as strong. I race hare scrambles too but looking forward to a surron bas8000 72v bike soon. D.I.D 420 NZ3 Super Non O-Ring Chain
hi, was wondering if you ever got that bac8000 72v installed and how it's working out with that chain? My bac8000 kit and battery are being delivered next week, so i've been looking at sprocket and chain upgrades as well. Is that chain still the best one available for dual sport riders?
@@troymuni6120 Not yet, I'll hopefully have it by the end of next month. Can't wait though 😉. Yes, I use and almost every other mx rider use that DiD chain I sent you the link for. It's light, smooth, no x or oring to slow you down, which is something you want with the surron. The less resistance the better. The best way to keep the chain like new is to NEVER USE CHAIN LUBE...lol Seriously, I've ridden for yrs on the same chain and they always stay new until too stretched out. Just wash your bike then use WD-40 on a rag and wipe the chain down. I'd spray mine but you cant get the wd on your painted swingarm...it dulls out the paint or plastic. But trust me, it will run smooth and stay brand new for a long time.
I just put a 58 on my talaria and its flat in Eco mode and very snappy in sport for road I'd say no unless a surron responds different I've gone back to standard for now and will try a 48 soon
52tooth gives 40mph top speed and plenty on acceleration and better hill climb ability, Any higher than 52 and top speed will become an issue in my opinion , after all 40mph is pretty slow in some cases
That looks fun, might be more of a work out on the trails as it's pouring on the coals pulling away from you, lol. I wonder why they don't have the automatic electronic clutch like the Aprilia. You'd have the best of both worlds. But then again Aprilia sport bikes are expensive as all heck.
Me: hmm so bigger sprocket = more tourqe so smaller sprocket = higher top speed sooo after I buy the bac 4000 and 72v battery and I have super small sprocket yea 90 mph🔥
That's not really how it works but yeah.. you can still do 45mph with the stock 48T sprocket or even the 52T but not the 58T or 64T which is overkill. You need to have a BAC 4000 and a Litespeed 72V battery for such speeds though. It won't go faster than 50mph on the stock battery with an upgraded controller like the BAC 4000 or 8000. Of course you can still use the upgraded controller with the stock battery and a BMS bypass but it's not really worth it.
Fail, you're wrong with a taller rear sprocket it's less strain on the system and you get more efficiency and more torque less top speed which equals more runtime. It's not the same as cruise control on an IC engine.
@@FarmerFpv Yeah you are 100% right :) i even do this with my rc 1/8 1/5 cut top speed via gearing to have longer run time,and things are a lot cooler as well.
Funny story, I’m 70kg and fitted the 58t. I agree it might feel like it launches a little harder but that actually is short lived and over a 20 or 30m run into my jumps the bike actually is at a slower speed when I hit the jump, using the std sprocket I am at a faster speed over the same distance. I think it really depends on riders weight which sprocket to use. 52 might be a better compromise for someone my weight with the 58t it loses too much in the middle and top for my liking
im 82kg and the front pick up like how his did on 58 i actually fell out and drop the bike,i don't want any more torque :) im on stock 48T
I’m thinking 52 tooth also I don’t want to loose top end , what do u think il get with the 52?? 42mph? 👍🏼
Just ordered the 52tooth it says it does 43mph that’s plenty for me , now hopefully more fun with acceleration and wheeling lol
thx so much for this review mate, you just saved me buying 2-3 sprockets for testing.
Big sprockets are for climbing. If you drive mostly on flat surfaces stock sprocket is perfect.
I want one. Just thinking to land in the middle w a 52-54 tooth. Leaning on 54 since I’m on a stock Sur Ron X set up.
Pretty sure you put that on backwards man. Might not actually make a difference, but it will be stronger with the braces facing the other direction due to the rotation of the motor.
I got my 2022 yesterday, and im 96kg and it does the same thing yours did on the 58T..?
hi, are you still running the 58? Do you like it?
i saw they also have 64.. that must have crazy torque
I was wondering if someone was gonna comment...looks like it’s on backwards dude. Usually when anything is milled with a ‘swirl’, it goes w the rotation. I’m sure it works all the same.
My friend and I both buy the same stock Surron light b and his fastest then mine we both have 48 tooth sprocket’s why’s? Mine will do close 50 or better in a good days but his will do close to 60-70 miles per hour
better option IMO is to upgrade the controller. stock controller only does ~180 phase amps.... aftermarket ones can do well over 400, ie 200% stock torque rather than 120%, and smoother response to boot. Costs a bit more than a sprocket and chain though :P
I did exactly that...getting it next week. Just curious if you're running the stock chain and sprocket with yours or did you use something different? I was looking at this chain: D.I.D 420 NZ3 Super Non O-Ring Chain and also thinking about leaving the stock sprocket on.
Troy Muni Did you get the battery and controller? If so how is it going? I’ve run the 48T, 54T and the 58T sprockets. I was thinking about getting the 52T sprocket and the 72V battery and controller. Hopefully that would give me more torque than I have now with the 58T and also higher top speed.
Guys it is just increase starting speed, normal and max speed will decrease. It is physics. If you want to increase max speed you should take lower T disk on it.
Helpful for extending range as well I would think?
the opposite
the best fuel use is with really tiny gears
im curious if the speed limiter will still limit it to 45kmh?
that would be cool cuz a hidden speed unlimiter switch would make a whole lotta more sense that way
if it was illegal from the getgo i'd just stick to a switch and maybe a 52T
The limiter only has to do with motor rpm. As far as it’s concerned, it’s going the same speed no matter what sprocket/ size tires are on.
@@JPTulo if the speed is calculated by engine rpm then bigger gear = less speed
it will show 45kph but actually go slower than that i assume
i was thinking that it might calculate speed based on a sensor near the wheel but since thats not the case better stick to a smaller sprocket maybe
@@waldhelm4567 You’ve got the right idea, but backwards. A bigger wheel sprocket will give you a slower top speed. A smaller sprocket will give you slightly more top speed despite the speed limiter.
You can also temporarily bypass the speed limiter with a series of brake sensor or kickstand sensor commands. Or permanently bypass the limiter by clipping the governor wire.
@@waldhelm4567 Never mind, I see you edited your post. You’ve got the right idea. You can either have more torque, or more speed from gearing, you can’t have both.
@@JPTulo thanks, i realized that i had it backwards when i saw him wheelie once again :D
just got up after all
What front fender are running it looks sick?
Did you upgrade the engine or the sprocket and the chainring only, I hope they have an agent with us in Saudi Arabia
How many extra chain links did you end up needing?
Just 3
Would it make that much difference in range for Ultra Bee trail riding? By changing to a larger sprocket.
It would help with range, yes
@@electricisbetter What size for Ultra Bee do you recommend for trail riding?
@@SUPERGOOSE-LLC I recently put a 54t on it, & think it's perfect!
Where did you get that front fender?
How did you mount front fender I ordered one
Sweet, i need one! Did it come with the cain piece to install? And does it work with the x model o ring chain or is it like the luna sprockets where you can't use the kit at all and gotta just get a whole new chain and chain breaker?
I had to get an extra chain and add links to it
@@electricisbetter damn this is going to end up being an expensive little mod :(
Don't use an x or I ring chain with a surron...too much resistance. Use this..most mx and hare scramble racers use them and I have for yrs. They are light and run smooth.
D.I.D 420 NZ3 Super Non O-Ring Chain
Don't use chain waxes or lubes, you will cuss them out for being horrendously dirty even after washing, just use WD-40 in a rag and wipe chain...it will stay new and clean for yrs. Oh yeah, don't get the wd on your paint or powder coated stuff it will dull it out, especially plastics. It's easy on an mx bike cause our swingarms are aluminum so I just spray and forget. Trust me, it's a great purchase for your surron.
Wondering what kind of stand you use to work on your sur-ron?
An old piano seat
Does it make the bike go slower
is that a sprocket specific to the sur ron, or is it a generic one you can put on most dirt bikes?
It is made specifically for the sur-ron
Wickedwheelworks on eBay can make any size sprocket you want for a Sur ron but he is slow as hell.
@@derekrogers5858 ive been wanting to get one of these bikes, you said the range is 30 miles?
May I ask the Diana sales shop? and how much the electric bicycle costs. can inform please
lunacycle.com/sur-ron-x-bike-black-edition/
What Sprocket is your overall favorite?? Awesome Videos man. Cant wait for mine to arrive. Ill give you a shout out in some of my videos good stuff
Where did u get the accessories dude? Like the mud guards? Great video!
New video coming out soon talking about all the mods!
@@electricisbetter 👌🏻
isn't it backwards?
What fenders are you running and where did you get them? Looks fun! I need the high end speed or I would do the swap myself! Love my Sur Ron
I got them on Amazon actually. They are Defender XC1
@@electricisbetter thanks, theya re now in the mail! Now to find some good bark Buster's and that rubber flap that protects the shock from dirt. Not sure where to start there but I know I want it
Outrageous lift off!!👍
Do you get better overall range when you have more teeth on the rear sprocket?
Yes! I'll be making a video TODAY actually talking about that
@@electricisbetter Noooice, I'll definitely watch it!
How much does the top speed drop
From 42mph to 35mph is what I found
I need front fender who makes it
I would like you to make a video showing the engine part of this bike I am from Brazil I am following your channel
No top speed run?
what fenders have you added/ modified ? thanks !
I ending up using this one. Works great! LWL Motorcycle Plastic Kit Front Wheel Fender Mudguard For KTM65 SX 2016-2019 110cc 125cc 140cc 150cc 160cc Dirt Pit Bike TaoTao DB27(orange)
@@electricisbetter Thanks man! Much appreciated.
The stock fender is a joke.
No problem! I did have to make some mods to this fender. I have a video on my channel of what I did.
Sonic Riders great ... i will check it out. yours def look like they will do the job . Thanks m8.
What mud guard have you used on the rear please?...
How many chain links to add ?
If I remembered right I added 3 links
Get rid of the oring chain...not necessary. Go with a gold non oring chain, it's faster, and just as strong. I race hare scrambles too but looking forward to a surron bas8000 72v bike soon.
D.I.D 420 NZ3 Super Non O-Ring Chain
hi, was wondering if you ever got that bac8000 72v installed and how it's working out with that chain? My bac8000 kit and battery are being delivered next week, so i've been looking at sprocket and chain upgrades as well. Is that chain still the best one available for dual sport riders?
@@troymuni6120 Not yet, I'll hopefully have it by the end of next month. Can't wait though 😉. Yes, I use and almost every other mx rider use that DiD chain I sent you the link for. It's light, smooth, no x or oring to slow you down, which is something you want with the surron. The less resistance the better. The best way to keep the chain like new is to NEVER USE CHAIN LUBE...lol Seriously, I've ridden for yrs on the same chain and they always stay new until too stretched out. Just wash your bike then use WD-40 on a rag and wipe the chain down. I'd spray mine but you cant get the wd on your painted swingarm...it dulls out the paint or plastic. But trust me, it will run smooth and stay brand new for a long time.
I am very curious, what top speed does this 58T does in EP mode?(with a stock controller) I would use it to knock down my speed for legal reasons:))
I just put a 58 on my talaria and its flat in Eco mode and very snappy in sport for road I'd say no unless a surron responds different I've gone back to standard for now and will try a 48 soon
@@waynewigger9904 from what I understand, the talaria has a different power delivery compared to the surron. Surronster's video shows this well.
Where did you get your sprocket?
Luna cycle in CA
Perfect !
52tooth gives 40mph top speed and plenty on acceleration and better hill climb ability, Any higher than 52 and top speed will become an issue in my opinion , after all 40mph is pretty slow in some cases
so does range increase?
Yes indeed, it does increase by a little bit.
Rebel gears is the place to them made they cut any gear size you need
looks like a mini KTM factory ;).. these little Sur Rons are sooo fast.. if only they could hill climb like regular mx bikes.
I think 72v upgrade with bigger sprokect will do hills
I’ve made it up every steep climb On my SurRon that I did on my gas bike. They climb great!
That's nice. How you lost on top speed?
It like 35mph with stock battery and controller
@@electricisbetter Thx!
I do 50 on flat in Hawaii
@@electricisbetter nice, how much is speed in eco mode)
That looks fun, might be more of a work out on the trails as it's pouring on the coals pulling away from you, lol.
I wonder why they don't have the automatic electronic clutch like the Aprilia. You'd have the best of both worlds. But then again Aprilia sport bikes are expensive as all heck.
I did the same thing😂 went for the 54 got the 58
I promise to subscribe if you get a bac controller and race this bad boi!
More teeth makes less top end
Edit: my bad you literally said it right after I commented lol
Cool man👍👍
Nice 👍👍😁
Nice
Me: hmm so bigger sprocket = more tourqe so smaller sprocket = higher top speed sooo after I buy the bac 4000 and 72v battery and I have super small sprocket yea 90 mph🔥
That's not really how it works but yeah.. you can still do 45mph with the stock 48T sprocket or even the 52T but not the 58T or 64T which is overkill.
You need to have a BAC 4000 and a Litespeed 72V battery for such speeds though. It won't go faster than 50mph on the stock battery with an upgraded controller like the BAC 4000 or 8000. Of course you can still use the upgraded controller with the stock battery and a BMS bypass but it's not really worth it.
looks like a fun bike to wheelie
It is!
Its not worth it, it kills your top end from 50 to 40 and it makes a 2 to 3 mph difference that you can pop the front end up with stock power.
Wow...and I just ordered the 64 tooth...😂😅
How was it? If you remember of course lol
Nice helmet)
Yeah but is lest speed
so 53t is about perfect
Sprocket looks like it’s on backwards
Battery drained much much faster.. when you realize 58 is too much
Fail, you're wrong with a taller rear sprocket it's less strain on the system and you get more efficiency and more torque less top speed which equals more runtime. It's not the same as cruise control on an IC engine.
@@FarmerFpv Yeah you are 100% right :) i even do this with my rc 1/8 1/5 cut top speed via gearing to have longer run time,and things are a lot cooler as well.
@@xboxice2005 same thing I do with my RC cars what a coincidence 😆 lol
@@FarmerFpv lol lol :)
I prefer cassette and derailleur instead of sprocket.