Nice unboxing. You recovered from the Elusive Victory "brain fart" to keep things on track. I appreciate you not making a negative of the game/system's complexity. Seems so many of today's wargamers have regressed, and are now afraid of anything more complex than Monopoly, and always feel they need people to "teach them" every game, rather than just rolling up their sleeves and *gasp* READING the damn rules. Plus marks for making it clear that there is a "bot" solo system in the box, for those who prefer not to find live or PBeM opponents, and skulk in their dens and garages. :) This system *is* very chart bound, but the (admittedly many) charts themselves are pretty straightforward in their use. It's just looking things up, not "interpreting data" from them. Another little point: with the recent die-cutting jobs we've seen from GMT, people can finally put their clippers and puffy shirts away, and tuck in those pinky fingers. The cuts are very clean, with no nibs and "flash", and the problem now is having the counters fall out of the tree before one is ready to have them fall out...
Looks fantastic and the price here in the UK is great considering how much stuff you get (and especially compared to the recently released game Combat!). However given the complexity it may have to be added to my "games I learn when I'm retired" pile. This pile currently contains Empire of the Sun and Fields of Fire so I think this one would complement them nicely.
Pleased to see you posted a video of this, Alexander. It's a tough call to purchase: I like the subject, and the Fall sale makes it very tempting, ...but... I think many of us have a "line" that can be crossed, where the time and focus required for certain games yields an outcome that feels more like work than leisure time. That line is different for each person, but for me in this instance, my sixth sense is calling out: "Don't do it, man!!" That said, this would be a game where I would be totally ok with being wrong about my initial impression.
I bought a couple games from GMT Sale Week, but ultimately passed on Red Storm. It does look like an impressive effort, but as another poster suggested, this game strikes me as something that would most likely have to be set aside until retirement...and that's still awhile for me. There's always the used market if I have a change of heart.
Heavy, and crunchy. Very detailed. I'm currently working on the rules, hoping to have it hit the table soon. This one also has some included dedicated solo missions and rules which is a big bonus for me being able to learn, and then teach the game.
Bloody April is another game from this system :) It can be played solo - but it's not optimal - though it is great fun! I note they got rid of the aircraft cards and replaced them with single charts for each nationality. Kind of wish they retained the cards. That said, the box looks chock full!
Was very interested in this but thought this would be yet another one of those games i buy and sits on shelf cause cant get through all those rules in that book.
'Elusive Victory' covers the '67 and '73 Arab-Israeli Wars. Red Storm looks even beastlier, since more high-tech toys involved. Nice to see the system progress to a new era.
@@xorben1981 No, EV doesn't have solitaire. You'd have to implement a user-created mod for it, or concoct your own method. Someone created such a thing for Downtown, IIRC, which should be largely compatible. GMT's "Bloody April", the WW1 game based on the same system, has a smattering of more easily solo'able scenario(s) but it's not as dedicated to it as Red Storm.
By what I see coming out of that box, I'm afraid this game will have to wait till I retire. Alexander, you say you can't wait to get this "to the table"... Do you have a clone we don't know about? Anyway, wow! What a tremendous amount of work went into producing this game. And looking at all those counter sheets ... Wow again... That's a shitload of corner clipping!
Thx for the video. Too many rules and reference cards. Some war games are just too big sometimes to be fun. For this kind of war, I`ll keep playing PC Command: Modern Air / Naval Operations.
احب هاذي الاعاب كيف يمكنني شرائها انا من السعودية وكيف يمكنني ترجمتهاء الي لغتي وفهم القواعد 😍❤❤❤ I love these games, how can I buy them? I am from Saudi Arabia, how can I translate into my language and understand the rules ❤❤❤
60 page rulebook? Almost no images.... How is the “ smartphone generation” going to continue with these games?! They wont..., I think wargames and the times are moving progressively apart....
I'm more concerned with WHY the "smartphone" generation is unable to use rulebooks anymore... After all, these sort of rulebooks - Don't include video - Don't include slides displayed for only milliseconds at a time - Don't include bullet points - Include complete sentences - Uses full words, with correct spelling and grammar - Tests the reader's literacy - Is more than two pages in length - Are larger than a 2" x 3" screen No wonder the "smartphone" generation has trouble with these sort of documents. And of course all the above is a generalization only.
@@memorarenz The rising illiteracy rate in the United States *IS* new. For the first time since the industrial revolution, the literacy rate in this country is going in the wrong direction. This is one reason that videos are now the preferred way to learn a game over a rulebook. The world may keep spinning, but I'm scared that if I live long enough, the movie "Idiocracy" will come true! :)
Things can be done in a more didactic way, the newer generation is subjected to more images in a day that we, the older generation, saw in a lifetime... These games are not appealing to them, and they cant be... The game may be fun, but they wont play it.... when we are not longer here, they would be like cassettes.... artifacts of another era that wont come back.... You can argue but it is what it is....
Nice unboxing. You recovered from the Elusive Victory "brain fart" to keep things on track. I appreciate you not making a negative of the game/system's complexity. Seems so many of today's wargamers have regressed, and are now afraid of anything more complex than Monopoly, and always feel they need people to "teach them" every game, rather than just rolling up their sleeves and *gasp* READING the damn rules. Plus marks for making it clear that there is a "bot" solo system in the box, for those who prefer not to find live or PBeM opponents, and skulk in their dens and garages. :)
This system *is* very chart bound, but the (admittedly many) charts themselves are pretty straightforward in their use. It's just looking things up, not "interpreting data" from them.
Another little point: with the recent die-cutting jobs we've seen from GMT, people can finally put their clippers and puffy shirts away, and tuck in those pinky fingers. The cuts are very clean, with no nibs and "flash", and the problem now is having the counters fall out of the tree before one is ready to have them fall out...
Looks fantastic and the price here in the UK is great considering how much stuff you get (and especially compared to the recently released game Combat!). However given the complexity it may have to be added to my "games I learn when I'm retired" pile. This pile currently contains Empire of the Sun and Fields of Fire so I think this one would complement them nicely.
Thank you so much for your review of this game. I got the game, can’t wait to see your solo play through.
Pleased to see you posted a video of this, Alexander. It's a tough call to purchase: I like the subject, and the Fall sale makes it very tempting, ...but... I think many of us have a "line" that can be crossed, where the time and focus required for certain games yields an outcome that feels more like work than leisure time. That line is different for each person, but for me in this instance, my sixth sense is calling out: "Don't do it, man!!" That said, this would be a game where I would be totally ok with being wrong about my initial impression.
I bought a couple games from GMT Sale Week, but ultimately passed on Red Storm. It does look like an impressive effort, but as another poster suggested, this game strikes me as something that would most likely have to be set aside until retirement...and that's still awhile for me. There's always the used market if I have a change of heart.
This looks heavy and nice get into. I love aircraft and the modern era.
Heavy, and crunchy. Very detailed. I'm currently working on the rules, hoping to have it hit the table soon. This one also has some included dedicated solo missions and rules which is a big bonus for me being able to learn, and then teach the game.
Purchased for 50% off. Thanks GMT
Bloody April is another game from this system :) It can be played solo - but it's not optimal - though it is great fun! I note they got rid of the aircraft cards and replaced them with single charts for each nationality. Kind of wish they retained the cards. That said, the box looks chock full!
5 Play Aid Cards...
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That are bi-fold
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Was very interested in this but thought this would be yet another one of those games i buy and sits on shelf cause cant get through all those rules in that book.
I guarantee this will be that game for a lot of people. It looks very good though.
I would really like to see a review and/or a playthrough by you!
I'm planning on doing some solo work on it, but it's a pretty intense game (It's my first title in the series)
Looks a good game but too complicated for me I think.
I adore the subject... But man, all those charts.
Really wish there was a 3" box, and more of southern Germany was covered. Maybe an expansion?
'Elusive Victory' covers the '67 and '73 Arab-Israeli Wars.
Red Storm looks even beastlier, since more high-tech toys involved. Nice to see the system progress to a new era.
Does illusive Victory got a solitary Mode?
@@xorben1981 No, EV doesn't have solitaire. You'd have to implement a user-created mod for it, or concoct your own method. Someone created such a thing for Downtown, IIRC, which should be largely compatible. GMT's "Bloody April", the WW1 game based on the same system, has a smattering of more easily solo'able scenario(s) but it's not as dedicated to it as Red Storm.
@@NefariousKoel thanks
By what I see coming out of that box, I'm afraid this game will have to wait till I retire. Alexander, you say you can't wait to get this "to the table"... Do you have a clone we don't know about?
Anyway, wow! What a tremendous amount of work went into producing this game.
And looking at all those counter sheets ... Wow again... That's a shitload of corner clipping!
Looks like a 3 inch box would not be remiss here
Definitely another title which needed a larger box.
Great materials overview, another fall sale buy... 😢😡😈😀
Link to GMT sale!!!!: mailchi.mp/ad7d154c96b5/october-23-update-from-gmt-new-p500s-fall-sale-more
Thx for the video. Too many rules and reference cards. Some war games are just too big sometimes to be fun. For this kind of war, I`ll keep playing PC Command: Modern Air / Naval Operations.
احب هاذي الاعاب كيف يمكنني شرائها انا من السعودية وكيف يمكنني ترجمتهاء الي لغتي وفهم القواعد 😍❤❤❤
I love these games, how can I buy them? I am from Saudi Arabia, how can I translate into my language and understand the rules
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60 page rulebook? Almost no images.... How is the “ smartphone generation” going to continue with these games?! They wont..., I think wargames and the times are moving progressively apart....
Let's be fair, this sort of game has always been niche.
I'm more concerned with WHY the "smartphone" generation is unable to use rulebooks anymore...
After all, these sort of rulebooks
- Don't include video
- Don't include slides displayed for only milliseconds at a time
- Don't include bullet points
- Include complete sentences
- Uses full words, with correct spelling and grammar
- Tests the reader's literacy
- Is more than two pages in length
- Are larger than a 2" x 3" screen
No wonder the "smartphone" generation has trouble with these sort of documents. And of course all the above is a generalization only.
@@bgm-1961 it's nothing new people don't like big rule books and complex games etc. Don't worry the world will keep on spinning :)
@@memorarenz The rising illiteracy rate in the United States *IS* new. For the first time since the industrial revolution, the literacy rate in this country is going in the wrong direction. This is one reason that videos are now the preferred way to learn a game over a rulebook. The world may keep spinning, but I'm scared that if I live long enough, the movie "Idiocracy" will come true! :)
Things can be done in a more didactic way, the newer generation is subjected to more images in a day that we, the older generation, saw in a lifetime... These games are not appealing to them, and they cant be... The game may be fun, but they wont play it.... when we are not longer here, they would be like cassettes.... artifacts of another era that wont come back.... You can argue but it is what it is....