Watch our Intel Core i9-10900K review here: th-cam.com/video/yYvz3dObHws/w-d-xo.html Find our brand new CPU testing methodology for 2020 over here: th-cam.com/video/sg9WgwIkhvU/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_title Article version of CPU testing methodology: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3577-cpu-test-methodology-unveil-for-2020-compile-gaming-more Intel 10-series CPU specs: th-cam.com/video/DA6pq4vj4lI/w-d-xo.html Good news! We finally found time to go back and publish the article version of our i5-10600K review video. Nothing has changed in it from the review (no new info added), it's just an easier archival reference piece, for people who want that: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3592-intel-i5-10600k-cpu-review-benchmarks-ryzen-5-3600-et-al (TH-cam had a bug and held all comments for review for the first 30 minutes. We've manually approved and hopefully fixed it)
you know what? with all the benchmarks you put out today ive been most impressed by the 3300x....... its insane how well it does for the price in game.... im legit shocked. i can pick this cpu up for 115 british pound atm.... im debating upgrading my kids 2600 to the 3300x cause all he does is play games.
Not only is this the mighty 8700k it is three years later and for about the same cost.. The 10600K is about 3250sek while the Ryzen 3600 is 1990sek. Once you bought a cooler for the 10600K it will cost twice that of the Ryzen 3600 ;)
Intel has finally stopped artificially limiting hyper threading on CPUs and has a more consistent lineup. Now it is Core i(n) with (n+1) cores/2(n+1) threads from i3 to i9.
Awesome. Thanks Steve. That was great coverage and I think you summed it up perfectly. You are on point once again, and I am looking forward to your future coverage as well. I am happy to see Intel bringing some lower priced CPUs but their MBs need some cheaper options as well. But I think you are right that the 3600 is still the all round budget gamers chip as it stands. Great to have choice, and the 10600k is an much more interesting choice in comparison to the 10900k, as you pointed out. And it will deliver an great gaming experience as well with some really solid frame rates. Now we just need to wait for Ryzen 4000 series, I have a feeling AMD has got something excellent cooking for us, and I am truly excited for their release.
But then we have Rocket Lake which is supposed to bring a new architecture, Willow Cove. So maybe Intel will have a response? Intel has superior engineering. They have shitty executives. I think once they feel threatened, well see Intel back to delivering an outstanding product with competitive price because AMD has finally risen to the challenge.
@@Real28 Rocket lake sounds good from what I am hearing. Intel is saying 18% IPC improvement, so I would like to see those as well. I think it is due next year only though (or 2022?), so it will be a while before we get all the details and benchmarks. And then we get Zen4 with its IPC gains as well. But we get to play with this years CPUs till then. I know AMD has got AM5 coming as well, and I think Intel has got an 1700 pin socket coming after their current 1200 pin MBs as well. So we have got some good stuff to look forward to, if human malware doesn't intervene that is. But I fully agree, I love an competitive market, I want the best out of both Intel and AMD. That is great for us, we get the best technology and the best prices. So I am all for competitiveness bud, don't get me wrong. I absolutely want AMD and Intel on top form, fighting for our hard earned money, with the best CPUs possible. For the first time in a long time (I am getting old) we are finally getting both AMD and Intel pushing hard for new CPU architectures and lower prices across the board. And this looks to be continuing for the foreseeable. Happy days.
@@Real28 Zen 3 is rumored to have 17% better IPC compared to zen 2 and supposed to coming up in august or september which is only about 3 months away. Rocket lake is next year right? That should compete angainst zen 4 then
I feel GN is the channel to watch when you want to make a solidly informed decision about which part really makes the most sense for you depending on your workload.
So 20-30% in gaming is worthless but you should consider sub 5% improvements for theorycrafted "production" use. Gotta love the state of hardware reviews in 2020.
Thank you. Because of your reviews I was able to determine my 9900k overclocked to 5.1ghz - which I CAN cool - essentially has similar performance to a stock 10900k - which I probably CANT cool. Demanded a return of my full deposit of my pre ordered back ordered 10900k. You saved me 1500 bucks Canadian. Thanks GamersNexus you guys rock.
LOL, pre-ordered a 10900k? Why on earth would you. It has been known, for a LONG time, that comet lake is yet ANOTHER refresh. Why would you drop 1500 cad on a freaking refresh????? Intel fanboy? Or just have to have the newest at all times?
I think the i5-10400F paired with a B460 motherboard will be a better competitor to the 3600 when it comes to price/performance. Plus as you seen in the video the 3600's performance in games is pretty lackluster when it comes to gaming.
@@dieseldiesel9292 I don't call 5% advantage in favor to the newly released i5 10th gen a deal breaker when you can get the 3600 for more than 100 dollars less.
@@dieseldiesel9292 then you can upgrade to 4000 series. Or wait for athe 4000 series get a b450 compatible via bios to zen 3. In the end, it becomes cheaper for AMD due to motherboard comp
@@Sinesterr its more like 10-18% but nice try I guess and that's not even talking about longevity because notice how FAST 2k ryzens fell off? same is gonna happen again this year meanwhile people who paid the $450 for a 8700K 2 years ago got a CPU that's still holds is own against Zen2 chips today lmao. how many times are you gonna repeat that buying a chip and board cycle before you realize you been had? also can someone tell me what's a "decent" B450? lmao they all suck and have no features besides being able to boot read storage and ram and take a GPU.
I got an 8-core (sic) FX-8350 8 years ago and, despite its relative inefficiency gave me a system which could multitask with ease. Like, I could leave a large software project compiling in the background whilst browsing or playing games (not too taxing). Buttery smooth is how I would describe it. The 3700X provides an even better experience, noticeably snappier and faster but at an astonishingly low power consumption. That means pairing it with a 'cheap' motherboard (recommend MSI X470 Gaming Plus MAX) is a non-issue as the CPU is so easy to drive. Running a 10600X at 200+ W for extended periods puts strain on everything so trusting a budget motherboard (if such a thing exists) makes less sense. I'd love to see power efficiency comparisons to highlight this. I know Intel can do better, hopefully their new silicon (whenever it arrives) will be something special and not require a nuclear reactor to power it! Cracking review GN, love the charts and getting the info straight up without any BS.
I'm using an FX-8350 with MSI 990FXA. It has held up quite nice so far. Upgrading to a 9700k once the memory arrives though. I plan on buying a new graphics card and didn't want to bottleneck the system.
Haven't looked into the 4000 series yet. My old motherboard wouldn't have supported any of the new AMD processors so I figured I'd give Intel a try, since I needed a new motherboard anyway. Didn't want to wait for new line of processors.
@@UltimateAlgorithm Ordered my parts two weeks ago. Now I find out today the 3900X is going for $410 after Intel released their comet Lake-S. Dang Edit: I guess $390 at Microcenter
So the i5-K basically appeals to.... nobody? - If you're a gamer with a budget, go AMD with a 3600 and spend the savings (cheaper CPU, cheaper mobo, stock cooler for "free") on a faster GPU and/or better monitor/storage/RAM/whatever - If you're a gamer and money is no object, get a 10900K because what pleb would deliberately choose the 10600K instead? - If you're into productivity, get a 3700X for the same money and better performance, or a 3600 and pocket the spare cash for the same performance - If you use your system for gaming and productivity, the AMD route has been your best bet for years now and that hasn't changed I would be very interested to see how the i5-10400F stacks up against the 3600.
What about "you're a gamer with a budget, but the 3600 doesn't quite reach the fps performance you're looking for" ? I'm not part of that group of people. But I'm pretty sure they exist, and they aren't that few
@@manueldiedrich6139 well if your budget is big enough to consider the 10600 then it's also enough to consider a 3700/3800/x which is still a better choice.
I think it's worth mentioning that at the time of this video z490 is actually available for purchase. Can't find a decent B450/X570 motherboard no matter how hard I look and I know I'm not the only one in the same boat. And personal opinion here, the z490 boards look way better designed than AMD's lineup; the gigabyte z490 is $169 and looks like a premium X570 boards just from looks alone. If you are looking to buy a PC now and can't find the parts to build an AMD rig the i5-10600K is pretty damn good.
Claudiu Cojocaru you don’t know the gaming performance of the 4000 series so don’t start making assumption. And remember intel is still on its 14nm++++++ whatever chipset so when they eventually go down to like 7nm then game over
Yeh, the 3600 is just priced a lot more competitively for a mid range part. In the UK the 10600K is £280, vs £175 for the 3600, you can almost get a 3700x for the same price as the 10600K
You have to remember a couple of things first gents. They tested with high end components to eliminate the bottlenecks of other components and the 10600K stomps the 3600.. its worth the extra min for future proofing and why would you need a $200 MB to overclock? My i7 9700k is running 5.1 stable on a $100 MB just fine. Hell I got that thing for $200 on OfferUp from some guy who upgraded to an i9 9900k. My win, I paired it with a 2060S and get great 1440p performance max settings it’s always above 60 FPS and I use Vsync so that all I can get without tearing anyway. Either way saying the 3600 is even in the same league after watching those gaming benchmarks is ridicules when you think about the EXTRA they could’ve done with the i5 like disable hyperthreading on the stronger cores in order to save power and get better performance. You can’t do that with an AMD chip. Or smart “overcocks” that boost corse individuality or in pairs in order to extend the boosted times. For the extra money you get quite a bit and the if you really want Zen 4 to be great you have to admit that the 3600 is a bad buy right now given the fact that you would have to change boards as well and when Zen 5 comes out it won’t be compatible AGAIN.
Alex Bennett well for one a $100 z490 board does not exist, not yet anyways. At the moment the cheapest is $160, and that may not be the Best Buy for a few reasons. Second, if you have a first Gen Ryzen then upgrading to a 3600 is an obvious choice as you won’t need to change your board. Thirdly if you buy a 3600 now, with a B450 or x570 board then you will not have to change it for zen3 (Ryzen 4000). Yes you will need a new board for zen4 when that comes out, but AM4 has been about for 4 years now, much longer than any recent intel chipset which they change every single year/product launch. And lastly, gaming on an RTX 2060, at 1440p locked at 60fps would prove that buying a 3600x would be the obvious choice. You are GPU limited, what would having a faster intel gaming cpu when you pair it with a 2080ti gain you? Absolutely nothing.
Reasons why the 10th generation Intel Core series (Comet Lake-S) desktop processors are worth buying: (1) Ability to show picture on screen without a discrete graphics card (for some quad-core, hexa-core, octa-core, and deca-core models) (2) Upgrade path available; 11th generation Intel Core series (Rocket Lake-S) desktop processors (3) Rocket Lake-S may support PCIe 4.0 (4) Good gaming performance compared to AMD Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors
Reason not buying alot more money for like 20fps, the same architecture for like 4/5 years and before you say it I'm no fan boy I've had and cpus and currently hacd 4790k
I've been looking into a CPU+MB upgrade since the beginning of the year, it's been an up and down between team red delivering so many affordable cores, and the gamer and overclocker in me wanting peak performance. Would have loved to go back to AMD after nearly a decade on Intel, but dat 10600k is just way too appealing at its current price point vs the 3700x. I also really don't like how the Ryzen doesn't seem to get any gaming performance from OC, that's no Bueno for me and my custom cooling loop.
I'd love to see a deep dive comparing the 10600K and the 8700K due to the obvious similarities in core configuration, seems like it would be a great candidate to benchmark the actual improvements in silicon quality across the two generations. For example, setting the 8700K active core count to frequency mapping to be the same as the 10600K would be quite interesting to see.
I've pretty much always looked at the 3300X gaming scores compared to this, and for a CPU that's literally half the price of this one and runs only a nearly imperceptible 20FPS slower across the board, even at high +200FPS speeds...sadly for Intel, an R3 is still all one would realistically need for gaming, even if they've technically reclaimed that crown with this. Their improved production benchmarks are moreso interesting and I could see these being a solid upgrade recommendation for those who already have an intel motherboard...but there they've moved to Z490 so that bumps up the cost even more. For me to even consider buying it and a Z490 they'd need to lower the price...again.
You could make the argument that a Pentium G4560 is "enough for gaming". You're just mad/fanboy/buyer's remorse that Intel is better than AMD at gaming...
well A pentium is all you need if the games use only a single core its honestly baffling it took this long to get games that even try to use more than one core.
@@samuelwhite3173 Can't you just accept that Intel is the premium brand that you pay a certain premium $ to get a 5-10% FPS improvement? No need to get mad at people that aren't looking for that "premium", it doesn't undervalue that fact. I am just glad we have competition because this will push CPUs to a new height, which could hopefully push GPUs to match them. We might see a HUGE leap in technology in the next 2-3 years when it comes to CPU/GPU
For the price of the 10600K alone you can get a R3 3330X, B450 Mobo and 16GB of RAM or a R5 3600 and a B450 Mobo. I don´t see any sense in buying a 10600K for most people unless it´s about showing of the E-peen tbh.
@@snkmazda Yeah, because the broad mass buys a 500$ CPU that needs at least a 150$ Mobo and watercooling if you wann do OC. Sure. Limpness. Lmao. A R5 3600 is very good CPU. A 10900K for the average gamer is only trying to longer your E-peen. And if you see a need for that, i pity you.
@@stephanstangl2388 I play most things on a 1440p monitor so those top intel chips are literally wasted money. I have a 3600x in my rig and couldn't be happier.
Thanks for this great content. So much detail, we can make actual educated decisions. Any chance you guys will do full testing of the KF skus? I feel like someone needs to deep dive into them and find out what, if any, the benefits of them are, beyond the price.
@@callidusvulpes5556 Yea no. He's not joking, he's just another Intel fanboy. Go actually read the comments, you neckbeard. People are all over calling this thing the best gaming chip, and defending the point adamantly.
AMD: we are doing new generations of CPU with noticeable performance boost every year since 2016th. Intel: buy our 8700k-ish CPU (i5-10600k) and don't forget to buy z490 motherboard for another year...
@@wanted247ha8Now it's a naked king. 1. Don't forget z270 users... ;) 2. Nobody grabs CPU only to play games + I doubt you'll see the difference between 150 and 170 fps in some game titles, but wallet does see difference in cpu prices. 3. 8700k owners still in good situation in terms of gaming performance, but you can't just sell 8700k for, let's say, 180$ because of ryzen 5 3600's existence.
@@musicianJKEE except when they dropped that was mid rang at the time you should be happy that it now cost 300 to get that with more features instead of just throwing cores with no CPU overhead ryzen chips legit gain at most 5% from OC meaning in two years guess which chips wont be relevant? oh and not to mention this means we could be looking at a 6 core 12 threads i3 AS THE LOWEST!!!! that would be nuts.
Steve, what about including VR into the gaming tests? I know VR is a niche but after Alyx, it has definitely grown quite a bit. Granted, its very GPU bound but MANY games are simulations where the CPU is being heavily taxed. iRacing, DCS, Elite, etc. Typically in VR, every last frame is important to ensuring the experience is smooth.
Dont forget that 2080Ti here is just for the GPU bottleneck removal. CPU itself is good enough for a 5700 XT/2070 Super gaming rig because its more realistic (sanity and money wise) hardware pairing.
Why? AMD *almost* broke their promise of 4 years AM4 and got to work correcting it, with intel you *know* a board will last you 9 months, they just swap some pins around to make you buy a new board for no reason.
This cpu is basicly the 8700k with only 100mhz more clock speed. Even the base clock is after boost because when you see the full specification you will find there are two more things called Configurable TDP-down Frequency and Configurable TDP-down. The 8700k's base clock and TDP is 3.7ghz and 95w, the 10600k's Configurable TDP-down Frequency and Configurable TDP-down is 3.8ghz and 95w. This could be the real base clock and TDP but Intel decide to put 4.1ghz on it spec sheet to make it looks better not bothered with the 30w TDP increase. The most disappointing thing is when they seem doing something but actually not, selling the same shit that came out 2 years ago. You can check the comparison here: ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=126684,199311
With the 10600 (No Suffix) going for 053 to 060$ USD less and the benefits it will get from ASRock's Base Frequency Boost Technology, this basically means that the Six Core Comet Lake chip is an 8700K or 8086K for around 0200$, and for what it's worth, the 10400F, 10400 (No Suffix), and 10500 truly will help affirm the i05's stance as enough for gaming over Ryzen 03 chips of the Zen II architecture and also gives the Ryzen 3600 a bit of a run for its money for anybody building a Gaming rig on a budget. The 10600 (No Suffix) will ultimately be the better buy out of the bunch due to BFB helping it get within 10600K spec, with the 10400F to 10500 being for those who don't want to break the bank and instead want to get either more or faster RAM and probably a better Graphics Card (if funds permit), meaning that you are given many options from the 0I57 to 0260$ range for what is effectively the same CPU at different clocks and you can get based on your budget and workload necessities; compared to the 8700 and 8700K, this is exactly the kind of price range that we needed to see from the 10400F to 10600K and it will be of a major benefit going forward, I feel bad for anybody who recently got a used 8700K when they could've gotten this for cheaper and with B460 aimed to truly be of a benefit for many users performance~wise thanks to BFB on at least the ASRock boards, many people will finally be playing and working at a similar level if they're on something current and modern.
5 months later, the 10600kf has become the budget option compared to AMD :D It's almost as fast as the ryzen 5600x it's actually available and almost $75 cheaper.
Looking forward to the i7 10th gen review. It looks like the previous generation i9 for less money. But do the new motherboards support PCIe 4? Looks like they don't?
Both aren't great value when you compare them with i5 10400F. Overclocking on Ryzen 3000 is practically non-existent and the i5 10400F is $160 with the same number of cores and threads. Pure performance wise, the i5 should be the same as the 3600 with PBO. If you're in America, AMD boards are all sold out too, for some reason. You're stuck with i5 either way lmao. Unless... You are willing to pair a Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 with x570 lol.
One thing that really concern me is, the R5 3600 has a better Performance/Watt ratio than the i5 (more than 20%, not to mention if them both OC'ed it would be 100% gap), although the i5 has the better FPS Performance on all games which i think not worth for the Perf/Watt (not more than 10%). In the country i live in, the electricity bill is considerably expensive, and the Watt Capacity/house is barely enough (house for avg. people is mostly 1300 Watt, whereas the 2200watt to up is mostly medium to big house). Let say if i want to upgrade the Watt Capacity of my house, then i would be charged for the Upgrade Cost (approx. $100-$300 depends on capacity upgraded), and my monthly electricity bill will also increasing since the Fare/kWh is adjusted as well. Nice....
The fact that Intel didn't have any IPC improvements with this launch means that AMD's Ryzen 4000 will finally catch up in Single threaded workloads. The gaming advantage that Intel has always had will now cease to exist. There is now no reason to ever buy Intel for the next two years.
Unless you are a die hard Intel fan (they do exist) or you want super duper high FPS and can't wait for 4000 series. And nothing wrong with that. But I am really satisfied with my Ryzen 3700X and can't wait for 4000 series. I am really happy to have an competitive market, it is great for prices and it keeps both Intel and AMD on their toes. That is great for all of us.
Single core performance on AMD is actually is better when compared to the direct competitor when you choose a certain AMD CPU, I think main issue to overcome the latency issue because it is holding AMD back when we see the 3100 vs 3300x review
@@xouric0 To each his own bud. Some folks want the absolute highest FPS, even if it is only 5%. That's cool with me, you work for your cash, you buy what makes you happiest, whatever lets you sleep better at night. Same with me, Ryzen makes me happy, it is good enough and I spend most of my time working nowadays so my Ryzen 3700x really is the perfect fit for me. I actually could live with 25% less FPS to get my work done quicker and at much lower thermals and power draw (my country is incredibly hot in summer). But the absolute highest gaming FPS really does still carry a lot of weight with a lot of people, and Intel can still give you that if that is the most important to you. I don't hold it against people, and if someone says to me they only want an gaming build and don't care about anything other then max FPS and nothing else, I tell them Intel. For anyone else, I have other suggestions. And even Steve said the 3600 is still the best budget gaming CPU as it stands, and I agree with him fully. But the 10600k is a valid high refresh rate gaming CPU as well, for those who do want it. I have no issue with whatever a person chooses, that really is up to the individual. But it is also best for a person to do research and know exactly what your are getting. And a l lot of the time, Ryzen is a great fit for people, I do see more and more people being incredibly satisfied with Ryzen, I am one of them. AMD has a very accelerated CPU road map right now and their 7nm process is excellent for an all round build. I do find Ryzen very easy to recommend to a large chunk of people. And 4000 series looks to make this even more so. You really cant go wrong with an 3600 for an budget gaming build, and an 4600 (maybe even 4700x, depending on how AMD prices) should be an even easier recommendation as well.
@@ManuaL46 Yes, the cross CCX latency is an issue, and 4000 series is coming with an 8 core CCX, so any 8 core 4000 CPU and bellow will have no cross CCX latency. The other thing that works so well for Intel is their "RingBus" architecture. Intels Ringbus architecture delivers huge amounts of internal bandwidth that actually helps a lot with low memory access latency and also helps deliver the huge amount of data an GPU can send to the CPU. I have the calculations worked out somewhere, but that is part of the reason why Intels CPUs do so well when the GPU is involved as well (and also part of the reason AMD does so well in pure CPU calculations that don't depend on the GPU so much). But the 8 core CCX and an improved Infinity Fabric controller should solve most (maybe all, it is possible) of those issues for AMD I think. I am really excited for 4000 series to see how much they have improved, I do love new tech. And I will be grabbing an 4950x on release (for work and gaming).
In Uk 10600k cost 275£,R7 3700x 299£,R5 3600 180£ Makes no sense to buy 10600k if you are going to pair it with Rtx 2070/5700xt unless you really need the 10fps extra. I personally will bump up to 1440p and buy nice monitor,which will make my gaming experience much more enjoyable rather than playing 200+fps on 1080p.
thats what i am saying , 1440p at 100-140 fps is way better than crabby 240 fps 1080p, intel fanboy's take the 5% difference at 1080p as a win ,how many get 2080ti to play retarded fps games at 1080p and pair it with 300$ cpu, i am a competitive world of tanks player i use 3700x and rtx 2070 at 1440p ,2k has massive advantage over fast 1080p
Could you do an IPC test? 8700K vs. 10600K, 10700K vs. 9900K, 10300 vs. 7700K? Would be interesting to if the security fixes cost performance or if there is just a little bit of improvement in the architecture itself. Good coverage as usual!
So, comparing the R-3600 and the I-10600k on a clock for clock basis, Zen 2 has about a 16.3% IPC advantage over Intel "10th Gen". If only AMD could figure out how to hit 5 GHz on standard cooling.
Well if they can get ryzen 4000 to 4.8 all core I reckon they will be faster than comet lake s at 5.2/5.3 especially with the new single ccx per 8 cores design which will boost performance and reduce latency.
the 10600k is simply a superior cpu than the 3600. That's why it's more expensive. It's a gaming cpu, and it demolishes all AMD cpus, plain and straight.
Years ago (circa 2007), worked at a now defunct computer store called PC Cyber. My first day on the job the Asus reps came in to show us their new laptops and they talked about "overcocking" the laptops. Best first day ever.
i5-10500 and i5-10400 will be very interesting for their price. Imagine how good the i5-12400 will be in 2022. But for today Ryzen 1600af and the 3600 are still the best choice in their price range.
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I want to see a live game streaming comparision using the i5 10600k vs the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 7 3700x... because the 10600k is going to be around $300 retail ($263 is 1k pricing). So how will the $300 intel chip stack up to the under $300 AMD chip and the Micro Center $160 AMD chip (about $175 on Newegg)? Because I cannot imagine $300 vs $160=$175 is going to be a good value? I think Intel needs some serious price cuts to be competitive on value.
@@sebastiaandekooter434 the 10400f should probably match it in gaming ,probably.Keep in mind a locked cpu and mobo runs at 2667mhz memory, that would definitely affect its performance.It will still lose in multicore workloads. Not to mention dead platform.
@@sebastiaandekooter434 If you haven't figured it out yet.... Intel is just recycling 3 year old processors that are built on 5 year old processes... and Intel is saying they are new 10th gen... they are counting on the public not being smart enough to figure it out... So in reality, the NEW 10th gen i5 10600k is just a recycled, tweaked, 3 year old i7 (built on a 5 year old process) that they have renamed to try to convince fan boys they are putting out something new... they even force you to buy a new motherboard that provides NO new features, add to the price a cpu cooler too... the "new" $300+ i5, plus $35 to $150 for a cooler, $150 to $1100 for the new motherboards... or $450 to $500+, What a bargain of an upgrade. a real performance value to compare to $159 to $300 AMD!!! and just an FYI... the NEW 10th gen i5 10400 is just a tweaked 3 year old i5 build on the 5 year old 14mm process... and it is LOCKED... so think locked i5-9600 - why do you think that when the unlocked K version stutters and stumbles while trying to game and stream... it will be better since it was renamed and locked, because everyone knows locked 6 core, 6 thread intel will always out perform a 6 core 12 thread... or 8 core 16 thread processors in multitasking, right, right?... LOL
I understand why gaming benchmarks are done at 1080p, but I think it will still be useful to see the comparison between these CPUs and the AMD CPUs at 1440p with a more reasonably priced GPU. I think that is generally the resolution where most people want to be at if they are building a new computer in 2020.
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Great video as always! Too bad that you left out the eSports titles as all the major channels done. We can't really know how much performance we can expect if we wanna upgrade from our old 6700k/7700k to the new CPUs. It will be great to do some comparisons between CPUs on eSports games like CS:GO with older GPUs like GTX1080 or something so really see how CPUbound those games are.
10600k seems kinda like a paper launch to me? I haven't seen a single retailer actually list it for sale with a price. The only CPUs I'm seeing that have been available are the 10400, 10700k, and 10900K. At $195, $410, and $530 respectively. (Microcenter/Newegg pricing). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
As pricing is now with the i5 10600k being priced HIGHER then the R7 3700x and boards being more expensive is there really a good argument for the i5. Even in purely gaming the better budget for the GPU by choosing the R5 3600 could jump you up one gpu tier. In which case you would only buy the 10600k if you are already getting a 2080super atleast.
Hey Steve I REALLY appreciated your ''is the 3300X enough for gaming'' video. Just like you mentioned at the end of this video, at the end of the day, most gamers just want to get a CPU that doesn't bottleneck their GPU. + some headroom perhaps to not bottleneck a future GPU upgrade. Any chance you could do some more of those types of videos? It was insanely surprising to me to see that in some cases you could even argue a 3300X was enough for some of the best GPUs today! Super interesting!
Recently purchased the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 and I'm glad to see it was a wise investment for my gaming/streaming build. I originally was gonna get the 1600AF but wasn't gonna fork over $150 for an $85 CPU... 😅
Watch our Intel Core i9-10900K review here: th-cam.com/video/yYvz3dObHws/w-d-xo.html
Find our brand new CPU testing methodology for 2020 over here: th-cam.com/video/sg9WgwIkhvU/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_title
Article version of CPU testing methodology: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3577-cpu-test-methodology-unveil-for-2020-compile-gaming-more
Intel 10-series CPU specs: th-cam.com/video/DA6pq4vj4lI/w-d-xo.html
Good news! We finally found time to go back and publish the article version of our i5-10600K review video. Nothing has changed in it from the review (no new info added), it's just an easier archival reference piece, for people who want that: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3592-intel-i5-10600k-cpu-review-benchmarks-ryzen-5-3600-et-al
(TH-cam had a bug and held all comments for review for the first 30 minutes. We've manually approved and hopefully fixed it)
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I really needed to overcock my harddrive because my setup is getting old and i can totally feel some performance issues :/
Our comments keep getting deleted O.o
you know what? with all the benchmarks you put out today ive been most impressed by the 3300x....... its insane how well it does for the price in game.... im legit shocked. i can pick this cpu up for 115 british pound atm.... im debating upgrading my kids 2600 to the 3300x cause all he does is play games.
TH-cam comments broke again, they keep getting deleted... I saw your comment "Are youtube comments broken?" and it got deleted too!
Glad no "overcocking" took place. Great videos as always.
Stopped me in my tracks - very funny with the deadpan delivery
"Overcocking" is how Intel keeps the lights on!
@@neotenken "Overcocking" with LN2. Oh boy.
"We will not be overcocking this CPU"
Unsubbed.
we need to make a change.org petition to get GN to overcock all the CPUs.
If everyone pitches in to buy the next tank of liquid nitrogen it might make for a more convincing argument.
@@MikeyJ711 Wait; tank of liquid nitrogen? Don't you mean a tank of lube, instead of thermal paste?
@@MikeyJ711 IDK about you, but I don't want LN2 anywhere near my overCOCKing.
@@mikec.1981 I assumed with the current situation of human malware everyone was stocked up on lube. I guess I'm the only one..... 🤷♂️
Are comments broken?
they keep getting deleted for some reason
yes
Still watching 😜
No. LOL :)
just commented so it seems like no (to me)
This is the closest we'll get to hear Steve make a an innuendo joke
Either A, he wants to keep this channel PG-13 or...
B, he's still a virgin, *Van Gogh Horror Face* and we need to help him get some xD
/jk
if you like idea of Steve making innuendo jokes you should watch his review of RX 5700 XT WAIFU. Definitely his best video!
Next video is a JOI with a high instructions per cock.
Looks like my 8700k has aged well into 2020. It got a new name!
I wish my 8700k was decent. Barely holds a overclock at 4.6. Shitty bin.
Not only is this the mighty 8700k it is three years later and for about the same cost.. The 10600K is about 3250sek while the Ryzen 3600 is 1990sek. Once you bought a cooler for the 10600K it will cost twice that of the Ryzen 3600 ;)
@@Real28 that's terrible, lol. I have mine delidded at 5ghz 1.37v. Been that way since Feb 2018.
Paid a premium for 8086k and got 5.3 avx 1.36v, gotta hold it for another year
@@Real28 Strange.. Most 8700k can reach 5ghz?! Mine works great at 5 1.375 I think.
213 Watt? It's nice to see that Intel is learning from AMD, but maybe emulating Piledriver isn't the correct choice.
well with the same architecture you're running out of options.
Pile-driver? More like Bulldozer.
Dozer Lake
@@Wahinies lmaoo
Lets blast our new budget cpu with more power on default surely we wont have over heating issues.
"we were disappointed to find out" that this isn't a cock speed...
agree
Me a 30 year old adult : I watch GN for the serious stuff 😤
Also me : "COCK SPEED. OVERCOCKING" LMAOOOO 🤣
Dont worry, Im 31, and I found that hilarious as well lol.
@@GodofLovers 43, same
Nah wer still kids playing with their computers
LMAOOOO = Laughing My Ass Off Off Off Off. I assume you have a stutter in real life.
I'm 33 and still found this hilarious also.
MSI Customer service rep: "Hi, what can we do for you today?"
Me: "My Overcock made your Motherboard wet"
MSI Customer service rep: "...."
damn water coolers...
Not bad
@@TheGentry000 damn LN2*
Intel has finally stopped artificially limiting hyper threading on CPUs and has a more consistent lineup.
Now it is Core i(n) with (n+1) cores/2(n+1) threads from i3 to i9.
n++ cores seems more appropriate, since we're talking about Intel
@@salmiakki5638 so i9 has 10 cores ?
@@aneeshprasobhan yes
Thanks AMD
No! Not arithmetic sequences!!!! jk
I am sure INTEL will beat AMD this time around with it's newly innovated technology... "Cock speed"
Man this baby can run so many male chickens
But can it cook you eggs for breakfast?
Stock heat-sink is an erect phallus with an aesthetically pleasing upward curve...
Obviously they added cock to block the security holes.
😆 😆 😆
Awesome. Thanks Steve. That was great coverage and I think you summed it up perfectly. You are on point once again, and I am looking forward to your future coverage as well.
I am happy to see Intel bringing some lower priced CPUs but their MBs need some cheaper options as well. But I think you are right that the 3600 is still the all round budget gamers chip as it stands. Great to have choice, and the 10600k is an much more interesting choice in comparison to the 10900k, as you pointed out. And it will deliver an great gaming experience as well with some really solid frame rates.
Now we just need to wait for Ryzen 4000 series, I have a feeling AMD has got something excellent cooking for us, and I am truly excited for their release.
Thanks! I think you're right on all of that, and we'll see what Ryzen 4000 brings!
But then we have Rocket Lake which is supposed to bring a new architecture, Willow Cove. So maybe Intel will have a response?
Intel has superior engineering. They have shitty executives. I think once they feel threatened, well see Intel back to delivering an outstanding product with competitive price because AMD has finally risen to the challenge.
@@Real28 Rocket lake sounds good from what I am hearing. Intel is saying 18% IPC improvement, so I would like to see those as well. I think it is due next year only though (or 2022?), so it will be a while before we get all the details and benchmarks. And then we get Zen4 with its IPC gains as well.
But we get to play with this years CPUs till then. I know AMD has got AM5 coming as well, and I think Intel has got an 1700 pin socket coming after their current 1200 pin MBs as well. So we have got some good stuff to look forward to, if human malware doesn't intervene that is.
But I fully agree, I love an competitive market, I want the best out of both Intel and AMD. That is great for us, we get the best technology and the best prices.
So I am all for competitiveness bud, don't get me wrong. I absolutely want AMD and Intel on top form, fighting for our hard earned money, with the best CPUs possible. For the first time in a long time (I am getting old) we are finally getting both AMD and Intel pushing hard for new CPU architectures and lower prices across the board. And this looks to be continuing for the foreseeable. Happy days.
@@Real28 Intel doesn't have "shitty executives" they're focused on large and small business. AMD has been focusing on the end user base.
@@Real28 Zen 3 is rumored to have 17% better IPC compared to zen 2 and supposed to coming up in august or september which is only about 3 months away. Rocket lake is next year right? That should compete angainst zen 4 then
Love the competition! Better CPUs for us consumers.
for real! this CPU would've cost like definitely over 600 from intel in 2015 (Haswell HEDT i think) amazing
But was there... "more soldiers?!?!"
what about the culling artifacts?!?!??
Cant live without more soldiers
6 times more soldiers babe xD
Asking the only question that truly matters.
Yea, noticed a distinct lack of quantity of soldiers benchmarks. WE NEED THE QUANTITY OF SOLDIERS BENCHMARKS.
8700k owners: I already have an i5 10600k! :o
9900k owners: I already own an i7 10700k! :o
Radiator owners: I already have an i9 10900k ! ._.
fx8990 owners: but i already have a i5 10600k ¯\_(-_-)
9700K owners: iv only got 8 threads :(
@@brandoneberlin8795 80$ ryzen 1600 has only 4 THREADS more than 9700k. 4 THREADS MORE!!!!!!
@@brandoneberlin8795 yup I do and will smoke your FPS with all 8 of them too apparently if you own ANYTHING AMD XD
I feel GN is the channel to watch when you want to make a solidly informed decision about which part really makes the most sense for you depending on your workload.
I just click through to find the graphs usually lol
especially for things you cant afford
3:39 You OK there Intel?
...
I had to pause cuz I doubled over laughing!
Fr, i cant believe that actually happened 😂😂😂
So 20-30% in gaming is worthless but you should consider sub 5% improvements for theorycrafted "production" use. Gotta love the state of hardware reviews in 2020.
With the overall price difference you can upgrade the GPU choice, resulting in better gaming performance and better "production" use cases
Intel 2020: enter the viagra business
Lmao
pfp makes this comment 10 times better
Aha, the return of the Blue Pill Man Group :p
Thank you. Because of your reviews I was able to determine my 9900k overclocked to 5.1ghz - which I CAN cool - essentially has similar performance to a stock 10900k - which I probably CANT cool. Demanded a return of my full deposit of my pre ordered back ordered 10900k. You saved me 1500 bucks Canadian. Thanks GamersNexus you guys rock.
LOL, pre-ordered a 10900k? Why on earth would you. It has been known, for a LONG time, that comet lake is yet ANOTHER refresh. Why would you drop 1500 cad on a freaking refresh????? Intel fanboy? Or just have to have the newest at all times?
Right now a ryzen 5 3600 + a decent B450 motherboard combo is less expensive than a 10600k by itself at Microcenter plus you get 20$ discount.
I think the i5-10400F paired with a B460 motherboard will be a better competitor to the 3600 when it comes to price/performance. Plus as you seen in the video the 3600's performance in games is pretty lackluster when it comes to gaming.
@@dieseldiesel9292 I don't call 5% advantage in favor to the newly released i5 10th gen a deal breaker when you can get the 3600 for more than 100 dollars less.
@@dieseldiesel9292 then you can upgrade to 4000 series. Or wait for athe 4000 series get a b450 compatible via bios to zen 3. In the end, it becomes cheaper for AMD due to motherboard comp
@@dieseldiesel9292 Lackluster? so 150+ Fps is not good enough for you? no reason to pay more for 5/10% extra frames
@@Sinesterr its more like 10-18% but nice try I guess and that's not even talking about longevity because notice how FAST 2k ryzens fell off? same is gonna happen again this year meanwhile people who paid the $450 for a 8700K 2 years ago got a CPU that's still holds is own against Zen2 chips today lmao. how many times are you gonna repeat that buying a chip and board cycle before you realize you been had? also can someone tell me what's a "decent" B450? lmao they all suck and have no features besides being able to boot read storage and ram and take a GPU.
3:40 Great job getting through that with a straight face. :P
I got an 8-core (sic) FX-8350 8 years ago and, despite its relative inefficiency gave me a system which could multitask with ease. Like, I could leave a large software project compiling in the background whilst browsing or playing games (not too taxing). Buttery smooth is how I would describe it. The 3700X provides an even better experience, noticeably snappier and faster but at an astonishingly low power consumption. That means pairing it with a 'cheap' motherboard (recommend MSI X470 Gaming Plus MAX) is a non-issue as the CPU is so easy to drive. Running a 10600X at 200+ W for extended periods puts strain on everything so trusting a budget motherboard (if such a thing exists) makes less sense. I'd love to see power efficiency comparisons to highlight this. I know Intel can do better, hopefully their new silicon (whenever it arrives) will be something special and not require a nuclear reactor to power it!
Cracking review GN, love the charts and getting the info straight up without any BS.
I'm using an FX-8350 with MSI 990FXA. It has held up quite nice so far. Upgrading to a 9700k once the memory arrives though. I plan on buying a new graphics card and didn't want to bottleneck the system.
@@Coof-1984 not waiting for Ryzen 4000 series review?
Haven't looked into the 4000 series yet. My old motherboard wouldn't have supported any of the new AMD processors so I figured I'd give Intel a try, since I needed a new motherboard anyway. Didn't want to wait for new line of processors.
@@UltimateAlgorithm Ordered my parts two weeks ago. Now I find out today the 3900X is going for $410 after Intel released their comet Lake-S. Dang
Edit: I guess $390 at Microcenter
@@Coof-1984 that is how it usually goes. When next gen launches from either vendor, previous gen goes down.
So the i5-K basically appeals to.... nobody?
- If you're a gamer with a budget, go AMD with a 3600 and spend the savings (cheaper CPU, cheaper mobo, stock cooler for "free") on a faster GPU and/or better monitor/storage/RAM/whatever
- If you're a gamer and money is no object, get a 10900K because what pleb would deliberately choose the 10600K instead?
- If you're into productivity, get a 3700X for the same money and better performance, or a 3600 and pocket the spare cash for the same performance
- If you use your system for gaming and productivity, the AMD route has been your best bet for years now and that hasn't changed
I would be very interested to see how the i5-10400F stacks up against the 3600.
It still has the niche market of people who only play competitive games, which are almost all CPU bound and don't need a strong GPU.
144hz
What about
"you're a gamer with a budget, but the 3600 doesn't quite reach the fps performance you're looking for"
?
I'm not part of that group of people. But I'm pretty sure they exist, and they aren't that few
@@manueldiedrich6139 Sitting here with a 3600 and a 980Ti, got no trouble hitting 144hz in anything that actually NEEDS it.
@@manueldiedrich6139 well if your budget is big enough to consider the 10600 then it's also enough to consider a 3700/3800/x which is still a better choice.
Finally someone explained for what "OC" stands for.
what is it
@@piggyraccoon5464 watch whole video carefully
@@sadychor its too long and i barely understand anything he says
@@piggyraccoon5464 ehhh ok I will make it easier for you... 3:35
I can’t wait for the 4900x benchmarks
Fatality. Finish him!
I think it's worth mentioning that at the time of this video z490 is actually available for purchase. Can't find a decent B450/X570 motherboard no matter how hard I look and I know I'm not the only one in the same boat. And personal opinion here, the z490 boards look way better designed than AMD's lineup; the gigabyte z490 is $169 and looks like a premium X570 boards just from looks alone. If you are looking to buy a PC now and can't find the parts to build an AMD rig the i5-10600K is pretty damn good.
The 3600 is also almost $100 less then the MSRP, and definitely will be after ryzen 4600 releases
Where? It's around 10% bellow in Europe where I am.
@@JohnyMcNeal What? I'm in Greece and I got mine for 170 euros months ago, including 23% tax!
Why people will pay 90$ for 5 more frames (and no upgradeability) is beyond me, but, some people do, and they enjoy it.
@@JohnyMcNeal 3600 goes for 170€ in germany, while the 10600 goes for 300€ tax included.
In switzerland r5 3600: 220 bucks (inkl. Tax); i5 320 bucks. So 100 difference
Love the Civ VI turn time benchmark! Haven't seen this in any other reviews and it's the benchmark that addresses literally >95% of my gaming time.
Another INCREMENTAL performance upgrade from Intel, as usual...
Incremental? Lmao intels gaming performance has a large margin over its similarly priced AMD counterpart
@@ayoadebiyi6121 that's all they have left and while pulling all the tricks in their pocket... And they will even lose that, once Ryzen 4000 hits.
Claudiu Cojocaru you don’t know the gaming performance of the 4000 series so don’t start making assumption. And remember intel is still on its 14nm++++++ whatever chipset so when they eventually go down to like 7nm then game over
@@ayoadebiyi6121 intel on 7nm? maybe in 5 years.
Ricardo Monteiro oh I forgot you were the head of intels cpu development department and already know when they’ll switch to 7nm
Finally! I have been waiting for this the whole day
And so, the overcocking meme was born. Internet, let's get it
In Australia, the 10600k is priced around USD330. Thats a lot compared to the 3600. I don't think its worth it !!!
Add a 200$ z490 mobo and a 50$+ cooler and its twice the price.
Me neither. In Germany its roughly 300€ vs 160€.
Yeh, the 3600 is just priced a lot more competitively for a mid range part. In the UK the 10600K is £280, vs £175 for the 3600, you can almost get a 3700x for the same price as the 10600K
You have to remember a couple of things first gents. They tested with high end components to eliminate the bottlenecks of other components and the 10600K stomps the 3600.. its worth the extra min for future proofing and why would you need a $200 MB to overclock? My i7 9700k is running 5.1 stable on a $100 MB just fine. Hell I got that thing for $200 on OfferUp from some guy who upgraded to an i9 9900k. My win, I paired it with a 2060S and get great 1440p performance max settings it’s always above 60 FPS and I use Vsync so that all I can get without tearing anyway. Either way saying the 3600 is even in the same league after watching those gaming benchmarks is ridicules when you think about the EXTRA they could’ve done with the i5 like disable hyperthreading on the stronger cores in order to save power and get better performance. You can’t do that with an AMD chip. Or smart “overcocks” that boost corse individuality or in pairs in order to extend the boosted times. For the extra money you get quite a bit and the if you really want Zen 4 to be great you have to admit that the 3600 is a bad buy right now given the fact that you would have to change boards as well and when Zen 5 comes out it won’t be compatible AGAIN.
Alex Bennett well for one a $100 z490 board does not exist, not yet anyways. At the moment the cheapest is $160, and that may not be the Best Buy for a few reasons. Second, if you have a first Gen Ryzen then upgrading to a 3600 is an obvious choice as you won’t need to change your board. Thirdly if you buy a 3600 now, with a B450 or x570 board then you will not have to change it for zen3 (Ryzen 4000). Yes you will need a new board for zen4 when that comes out, but AM4 has been about for 4 years now, much longer than any recent intel chipset which they change every single year/product launch.
And lastly, gaming on an RTX 2060, at 1440p locked at 60fps would prove that buying a 3600x would be the obvious choice. You are GPU limited, what would having a faster intel gaming cpu when you pair it with a 2080ti gain you? Absolutely nothing.
Comet Lake performance is good as we expected, but the whole lineup feels $50-$100 too expensive.
Reasons why the 10th generation Intel Core series (Comet Lake-S) desktop processors are worth buying:
(1) Ability to show picture on screen without a discrete graphics card (for some quad-core, hexa-core, octa-core, and deca-core models)
(2) Upgrade path available; 11th generation Intel Core series (Rocket Lake-S) desktop processors
(3) Rocket Lake-S may support PCIe 4.0
(4) Good gaming performance compared to AMD Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors
Reason not buying alot more money for like 20fps, the same architecture for like 4/5 years and before you say it I'm no fan boy I've had and cpus and currently hacd 4790k
an i5 is enough for gaming, but probably more expensive than an i7 was when this was Intels mantra.
i have been wanting the i7-10700 review and you are shooting all around me!
I've been looking into a CPU+MB upgrade since the beginning of the year, it's been an up and down between team red delivering so many affordable cores, and the gamer and overclocker in me wanting peak performance. Would have loved to go back to AMD after nearly a decade on Intel, but dat 10600k is just way too appealing at its current price point vs the 3700x. I also really don't like how the Ryzen doesn't seem to get any gaming performance from OC, that's no Bueno for me and my custom cooling loop.
I'd love to see a deep dive comparing the 10600K and the 8700K due to the obvious similarities in core configuration, seems like it would be a great candidate to benchmark the actual improvements in silicon quality across the two generations. For example, setting the 8700K active core count to frequency mapping to be the same as the 10600K would be quite interesting to see.
I've pretty much always looked at the 3300X gaming scores compared to this, and for a CPU that's literally half the price of this one and runs only a nearly imperceptible 20FPS slower across the board, even at high +200FPS speeds...sadly for Intel, an R3 is still all one would realistically need for gaming, even if they've technically reclaimed that crown with this. Their improved production benchmarks are moreso interesting and I could see these being a solid upgrade recommendation for those who already have an intel motherboard...but there they've moved to Z490 so that bumps up the cost even more. For me to even consider buying it and a Z490 they'd need to lower the price...again.
True, but for a potential 3070 build it could matter, though that's a mystery rn.
You could make the argument that a Pentium G4560 is "enough for gaming". You're just mad/fanboy/buyer's remorse that Intel is better than AMD at gaming...
well A pentium is all you need if the games use only a single core its honestly baffling it took this long to get games that even try to use more than one core.
@@samuelwhite3173 Can't you just accept that Intel is the premium brand that you pay a certain premium $ to get a 5-10% FPS improvement? No need to get mad at people that aren't looking for that "premium", it doesn't undervalue that fact. I am just glad we have competition because this will push CPUs to a new height, which could hopefully push GPUs to match them. We might see a HUGE leap in technology in the next 2-3 years when it comes to CPU/GPU
I love how thorough you guys are but I wish you'd limit the extra noise and hone in on price point comparisons.
For the price of the 10600K alone you can get a R3 3330X, B450 Mobo and 16GB of RAM or a R5 3600 and a B450 Mobo. I don´t see any sense in buying a 10600K for most people unless it´s about showing of the E-peen tbh.
But then your still showing your limpness with the 10900k being a thing.
@@snkmazda Yeah, because the broad mass buys a 500$ CPU that needs at least a 150$ Mobo and watercooling if you wann do OC. Sure. Limpness. Lmao. A R5 3600 is very good CPU. A 10900K for the average gamer is only trying to longer your E-peen. And if you see a need for that, i pity you.
@@stephanstangl2388 I play most things on a 1440p monitor so those top intel chips are literally wasted money. I have a 3600x in my rig and couldn't be happier.
Thanks for this great content. So much detail, we can make actual educated decisions. Any chance you guys will do full testing of the KF skus? I feel like someone needs to deep dive into them and find out what, if any, the benefits of them are, beyond the price.
If the motherboards wouldn't be so expensive, the 10600k would be a banger.
Yea? A real banger, at $100 more than a 3600 without including a cooler, so you can enjoy allll that 15FPS more you get. OOOOOOO soo good.
@@shawnpitman876 r/woooosh
@@callidusvulpes5556 Yea no. He's not joking, he's just another Intel fanboy. Go actually read the comments, you neckbeard. People are all over calling this thing the best gaming chip, and defending the point adamantly.
@@callidusvulpes5556 No one was talking to you though. I was responding to OP, you're irrelevant, so bye felicia.
@@shawnpitman876 Still doesn't change the fact that it is a banger. An expensive, overpriced one, but still a banger.
I'm happy I ordered my mat when I did!
I'm really looking forward to adding to my computer set up!
AMD: we are doing new generations of CPU with noticeable performance boost every year since 2016th.
Intel: buy our 8700k-ish CPU (i5-10600k) and don't forget to buy z490 motherboard for another year...
Another? 8th and 9 gen were the same board so was 5-7th. With way still gaming king 👑
@@wanted247ha8Now it's a naked king.
1. Don't forget z270 users... ;)
2. Nobody grabs CPU only to play games + I doubt you'll see the difference between 150 and 170 fps in some game titles, but wallet does see difference in cpu prices.
3. 8700k owners still in good situation in terms of gaming performance, but you can't just sell 8700k for, let's say, 180$ because of ryzen 5 3600's existence.
@@musicianJKEE except when they dropped that was mid rang at the time you should be happy that it now cost 300 to get that with more features instead of just throwing cores with no CPU overhead ryzen chips legit gain at most 5% from OC meaning in two years guess which chips wont be relevant? oh and not to mention this means we could be looking at a 6 core 12 threads i3 AS THE LOWEST!!!! that would be nuts.
Steve, what about including VR into the gaming tests? I know VR is a niche but after Alyx, it has definitely grown quite a bit.
Granted, its very GPU bound but MANY games are simulations where the CPU is being heavily taxed. iRacing, DCS, Elite, etc. Typically in VR, every last frame is important to ensuring the experience is smooth.
3300X for gaming... Price to performance ratio in games is incredible.
I thought the mantra for the last 3 years is that "4c/8t isn't enough for gaming and it's a stuttery mess"?
What about the cock speed?
Dont forget that 2080Ti here is just for the GPU bottleneck removal. CPU itself is good enough for a 5700 XT/2070 Super gaming rig because its more realistic (sanity and money wise) hardware pairing.
Loving the chapters, thanks
I would be eyeing that i5 right now if AMD didn't revert their decision regarding Zen 3 compatibility with B450 boards.
Why? AMD *almost* broke their promise of 4 years AM4 and got to work correcting it, with intel you *know* a board will last you 9 months, they just swap some pins around to make you buy a new board for no reason.
@@glennv3176 Intel boards last 2 generations of CPUs. The current Z490 boards will also support 11th gen.
@@WrexBF It's 2 now? That's new. Competition really is a good thing. Was 1 year for the entire decade since sandy bridge.
@@glennv3176 It has been that way since Skylake. 6th and 7th gen, 8th and 9th gen, now 10th and 11th gen.
This cpu is basicly the 8700k with only 100mhz more clock speed. Even the base clock is after boost because when you see the full specification you will find there are two more things called Configurable TDP-down Frequency and Configurable TDP-down.
The 8700k's base clock and TDP is 3.7ghz and 95w, the 10600k's Configurable TDP-down Frequency and Configurable TDP-down is 3.8ghz and 95w. This could be the real base clock and TDP but Intel decide to put 4.1ghz on it spec sheet to make it looks better not bothered with the 30w TDP increase.
The most disappointing thing is when they seem doing something but actually not, selling the same shit that came out 2 years ago.
You can check the comparison here: ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=126684,199311
3:40 ah the cocky intel rears its head
With the 10600 (No Suffix) going for 053 to 060$ USD less and the benefits it will get from ASRock's Base Frequency Boost Technology, this basically means that the Six Core Comet Lake chip is an 8700K or 8086K for around 0200$, and for what it's worth, the 10400F, 10400 (No Suffix), and 10500 truly will help affirm the i05's stance as enough for gaming over Ryzen 03 chips of the Zen II architecture and also gives the Ryzen 3600 a bit of a run for its money for anybody building a Gaming rig on a budget.
The 10600 (No Suffix) will ultimately be the better buy out of the bunch due to BFB helping it get within 10600K spec, with the 10400F to 10500 being for those who don't want to break the bank and instead want to get either more or faster RAM and probably a better Graphics Card (if funds permit), meaning that you are given many options from the 0I57 to 0260$ range for what is effectively the same CPU at different clocks and you can get based on your budget and workload necessities; compared to the 8700 and 8700K, this is exactly the kind of price range that we needed to see from the 10400F to 10600K and it will be of a major benefit going forward, I feel bad for anybody who recently got a used 8700K when they could've gotten this for cheaper and with B460 aimed to truly be of a benefit for many users performance~wise thanks to BFB on at least the ASRock boards, many people will finally be playing and working at a similar level if they're on something current and modern.
5 months later, the 10600kf has become the budget option compared to AMD :D It's almost as fast as the ryzen 5600x it's actually available and almost $75 cheaper.
Here where I live at this moment 10600k is 100$ cheaper. I find it hard to justify getting 5600X at this point lol
@@MarkoLomovic same here. The 3600x has actually gone up in price in past 12 months. Very tempted to go intel.
@@GeordiLaForgery yea 10600k is 230 at microcenter
Looking forward to the i7 10th gen review. It looks like the previous generation i9 for less money. But do the new motherboards support PCIe 4? Looks like they don't?
that's it. I'm buying the 3300x. Bye
🖐🏽😤
It's AMD's best chip yet.
I would save a little more, and grab the Ryzen 5 3600 ($172) if I were you. Pair it with 3600MHz (CL16) memory, and you're good to go.
@@Shaxuul expensive tho
Both aren't great value when you compare them with i5 10400F.
Overclocking on Ryzen 3000 is practically non-existent and the i5 10400F is $160 with the same number of cores and threads.
Pure performance wise, the i5 should be the same as the 3600 with PBO. If you're in America, AMD boards are all sold out too, for some reason. You're stuck with i5 either way lmao.
Unless... You are willing to pair a Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 with x570 lol.
@@cunnyman who seriously wants another 14nm chip tho for real my man
One thing that really concern me is, the R5 3600 has a better Performance/Watt ratio than the i5 (more than 20%, not to mention if them both OC'ed it would be 100% gap), although the i5 has the better FPS Performance on all games which i think not worth for the Perf/Watt (not more than 10%).
In the country i live in, the electricity bill is considerably expensive, and the Watt Capacity/house is barely enough (house for avg. people is mostly 1300 Watt, whereas the 2200watt to up is mostly medium to big house).
Let say if i want to upgrade the Watt Capacity of my house, then i would be charged for the Upgrade Cost (approx. $100-$300 depends on capacity upgraded), and my monthly electricity bill will also increasing since the Fare/kWh is adjusted as well.
Nice....
The fact that Intel didn't have any IPC improvements with this launch means that AMD's Ryzen 4000 will finally catch up in Single threaded workloads. The gaming advantage that Intel has always had will now cease to exist. There is now no reason to ever buy Intel for the next two years.
They already done that with zen2, just the clock speed isnt as high and the latency on the ccx is holding amd back a little bit.
Unless you are a die hard Intel fan (they do exist) or you want super duper high FPS and can't wait for 4000 series. And nothing wrong with that. But I am really satisfied with my Ryzen 3700X and can't wait for 4000 series.
I am really happy to have an competitive market, it is great for prices and it keeps both Intel and AMD on their toes. That is great for all of us.
Single core performance on AMD is actually is better when compared to the direct competitor when you choose a certain AMD CPU, I think main issue to overcome the latency issue because it is holding AMD back when we see the 3100 vs 3300x review
@@xouric0 To each his own bud. Some folks want the absolute highest FPS, even if it is only 5%. That's cool with me, you work for your cash, you buy what makes you happiest, whatever lets you sleep better at night.
Same with me, Ryzen makes me happy, it is good enough and I spend most of my time working nowadays so my Ryzen 3700x really is the perfect fit for me.
I actually could live with 25% less FPS to get my work done quicker and at much lower thermals and power draw (my country is incredibly hot in summer).
But the absolute highest gaming FPS really does still carry a lot of weight with a lot of people, and Intel can still give you that if that is the most important to you. I don't hold it against people, and if someone says to me they only want an gaming build and don't care about anything other then max FPS and nothing else, I tell them Intel.
For anyone else, I have other suggestions. And even Steve said the 3600 is still the best budget gaming CPU as it stands, and I agree with him fully. But the 10600k is a valid high refresh rate gaming CPU as well, for those who do want it. I have no issue with whatever a person chooses, that really is up to the individual.
But it is also best for a person to do research and know exactly what your are getting. And a l lot of the time, Ryzen is a great fit for people, I do see more and more people being incredibly satisfied with Ryzen, I am one of them. AMD has a very accelerated CPU road map right now and their 7nm process is excellent for an all round build. I do find Ryzen very easy to recommend to a large chunk of people. And 4000 series looks to make this even more so.
You really cant go wrong with an 3600 for an budget gaming build, and an 4600 (maybe even 4700x, depending on how AMD prices) should be an even easier recommendation as well.
@@ManuaL46 Yes, the cross CCX latency is an issue, and 4000 series is coming with an 8 core CCX, so any 8 core 4000 CPU and bellow will have no cross CCX latency.
The other thing that works so well for Intel is their "RingBus" architecture. Intels Ringbus architecture delivers huge amounts of internal bandwidth that actually helps a lot with low memory access latency and also helps deliver the huge amount of data an GPU can send to the CPU.
I have the calculations worked out somewhere, but that is part of the reason why Intels CPUs do so well when the GPU is involved as well (and also part of the reason AMD does so well in pure CPU calculations that don't depend on the GPU so much).
But the 8 core CCX and an improved Infinity Fabric controller should solve most (maybe all, it is possible) of those issues for AMD I think. I am really excited for 4000 series to see how much they have improved, I do love new tech. And I will be grabbing an 4950x on release (for work and gaming).
In Uk 10600k cost 275£,R7 3700x 299£,R5 3600 180£
Makes no sense to buy 10600k if you are going to pair it with Rtx 2070/5700xt unless you really need the 10fps extra.
I personally will bump up to 1440p and buy nice monitor,which will make my gaming experience much more enjoyable rather than playing 200+fps on 1080p.
thats what i am saying , 1440p at 100-140 fps is way better than crabby 240 fps 1080p, intel fanboy's take the 5% difference at 1080p as a win ,how many get 2080ti to play retarded fps games at 1080p and pair it with 300$ cpu, i am a competitive world of tanks player i use 3700x and rtx 2070 at 1440p ,2k has massive advantage over fast 1080p
@@tomcat7928 Aboslutely!
3:39 lol. Well now I am thinking about what "overcocking" would entail and if it would be considered animal cruelty?
Could you do an IPC test? 8700K vs. 10600K, 10700K vs. 9900K, 10300 vs. 7700K? Would be interesting to if the security fixes cost performance or if there is just a little bit of improvement in the architecture itself.
Good coverage as usual!
So, comparing the R-3600 and the I-10600k on a clock for clock basis, Zen 2 has about a 16.3% IPC advantage over Intel "10th Gen". If only AMD could figure out how to hit 5 GHz on standard cooling.
Youre right
Well if they can get ryzen 4000 to 4.8 all core I reckon they will be faster than comet lake s at 5.2/5.3 especially with the new single ccx per 8 cores design which will boost performance and reduce latency.
Well each CPU architecture has it's pros and cons.
thanks for these deep dives of these new cpus really helpful
When can we expect a 10700k review?
Its going to be the i9-9900k, they are clearly hiding it....
It is literally just a 9900k with better thermals and cheaper. Just check a 9900k review, with those 2 other differences in mind.
the 10600k is simply a superior cpu than the 3600. That's why it's more expensive. It's a gaming cpu, and it demolishes all AMD cpus, plain and straight.
At what cost lol? Did you see the power it uses and the price? It's not even by much when it comes to gaming.
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What the... new measurement Steve @ 3:38?😂
Very happy with both the 10600k and the 10600kf. Easily overclocked both to 5.1ghz all cores and both systems are performing great for gaming.
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Ryzen 7 3700x for the win 🍷
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Glad to see that my stock i7-8700k performs about the same as the i5. I still have cpu for a quiet time
10600k is almost twice the price of a 3600 in Denmark.. So that on top of needing a more expensive mobo for Intel makes it a nogo tbh
dont worry though get 20 more frames for twice the price :)
also no cooler
Dam straight you would be a crack head to buy intel.
@@jayritchens5910 and with zen3 going to blow it out of the water. pfftt...
Years ago (circa 2007), worked at a now defunct computer store called PC Cyber. My first day on the job the Asus reps came in to show us their new laptops and they talked about "overcocking" the laptops. Best first day ever.
I really want to see how the i7-10700k lands. Should be interesting 🤔
I'm pretty sure it's 9900k in disguise
It's a 9900k
You better buy that 9900K for "just" 519$ till the supply last! When its gone, its gone. No restocking! :D
no need to wait its exacly same as a i9 9900k... just a diffrent name
yes its a 9900k in disguise BUT CHEAPER... so buy the fukkin thing and move on
Feeling better and better about choosing the 3700X for my first build
i5-10500 and i5-10400 will be very interesting for their price. Imagine how good the i5-12400 will be in 2022.
But for today Ryzen 1600af and the 3600 are still the best choice in their price range.
The latest INTEL cpu's can sit on the shelves unsold for all I care, but what's REALLY important is how good looking and useful the GamersNexus mouse mat is!!! It looks awesome on my desk and with a high DPI mouse it works exceptionally well!
Wonder what it was like at Intel's offices when people realized what it said 3:40
Edsknife It was meant to distract the little children who notice and make a huge deal about foolish things.
nice! been waiting for this
I want to see a live game streaming comparision using the i5 10600k vs the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 7 3700x... because the 10600k is going to be around $300 retail ($263 is 1k pricing). So how will the $300 intel chip stack up to the under $300 AMD chip and the Micro Center $160 AMD chip (about $175 on Newegg)? Because I cannot imagine $300 vs $160=$175 is going to be a good value? I think Intel needs some serious price cuts to be competitive on value.
There will be cheaper 10500 and 10400 parts that will probably match the stock performance of the 3600.
@@sebastiaandekooter434 the 10400f should probably match it in gaming ,probably.Keep in mind a locked cpu and mobo runs at 2667mhz memory, that would definitely affect its performance.It will still lose in multicore workloads. Not to mention dead platform.
@@sebastiaandekooter434 If you haven't figured it out yet.... Intel is just recycling 3 year old processors that are built on 5 year old processes... and Intel is saying they are new 10th gen... they are counting on the public not being smart enough to figure it out...
So in reality, the NEW 10th gen i5 10600k is just a recycled, tweaked, 3 year old i7 (built on a 5 year old process) that they have renamed to try to convince fan boys they are putting out something new... they even force you to buy a new motherboard that provides NO new features, add to the price a cpu cooler too... the "new" $300+ i5, plus $35 to $150 for a cooler, $150 to $1100 for the new motherboards... or $450 to $500+, What a bargain of an upgrade. a real performance value to compare to $159 to $300 AMD!!!
and just an FYI... the NEW 10th gen i5 10400 is just a tweaked 3 year old i5 build on the 5 year old 14mm process... and it is LOCKED... so think locked i5-9600 - why do you think that when the unlocked K version stutters and stumbles while trying to game and stream... it will be better since it was renamed and locked, because everyone knows locked 6 core, 6 thread intel will always out perform a 6 core 12 thread... or 8 core 16 thread processors in multitasking, right, right?... LOL
I'm loving these thumbnails you have on these videos.
Finally, Intel beats AMD in re-productivity!!!😂😂
Wow!. You guys are cranking out the content.
*No overCOCKing?!* What even is the point of this channel?!
I understand why gaming benchmarks are done at 1080p, but I think it will still be useful to see the comparison between these CPUs and the AMD CPUs at 1440p with a more reasonably priced GPU. I think that is generally the resolution where most people want to be at if they are building a new computer in 2020.
3:41 This one caught me offguard :D
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Great video as always! Too bad that you left out the eSports titles as all the major channels done. We can't really know how much performance we can expect if we wanna upgrade from our old 6700k/7700k to the new CPUs.
It will be great to do some comparisons between CPUs on eSports games like CS:GO with older GPUs like GTX1080 or something so really see how CPUbound those games are.
Cock speed OMFG IM DEAD I just laughed so loud and so suddenly my huskie nearly attacked me.
Edit: thanks phone autocorrect lmao
Amazing review. I look forward to more comparison and deep dives. You need to get bearded hardware over there to put these under LN2!
Well Steve you need to be careful with that Overcocking. You'll go blind if you're not careful!
Congrats on all those mousemat sales!
10600k seems kinda like a paper launch to me? I haven't seen a single retailer actually list it for sale with a price.
The only CPUs I'm seeing that have been available are the 10400, 10700k, and 10900K. At $195, $410, and $530 respectively. (Microcenter/Newegg pricing).
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
It's not available, basically anywhere I've looked. I'm guessing at launch it will be around 280-299 for retail. The MSRP is 260.
Here in Finland it’s about 320-330 euros and available to buy.. Sad face
In Canada the 10600k is $399 CAD and the KF is $359.
@@juliancumming6893 Oh so competitive. Only $100CAD more after taxes without a cooler than a 3600 and that's for the KF model.
As pricing is now with the i5 10600k being priced HIGHER then the R7 3700x and boards being more expensive is there really a good argument for the i5. Even in purely gaming the better budget for the GPU by choosing the R5 3600 could jump you up one gpu tier. In which case you would only buy the 10600k if you are already getting a 2080super atleast.
I'll still stand by my Ryzen 5 3600 as a solid gaming cpu.
Hey Steve I REALLY appreciated your ''is the 3300X enough for gaming'' video.
Just like you mentioned at the end of this video, at the end of the day, most gamers just want to get a CPU that doesn't bottleneck their GPU. + some headroom perhaps to not bottleneck a future GPU upgrade.
Any chance you could do some more of those types of videos? It was insanely surprising to me to see that in some cases you could even argue a 3300X was enough for some of the best GPUs today! Super interesting!
I see nothing in Intel's cockumentation that indickates that overcocking the cpu voids the warranty. You may proceed.
Recently purchased the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 and I'm glad to see it was a wise investment for my gaming/streaming build. I originally was gonna get the 1600AF but wasn't gonna fork over $150 for an $85 CPU... 😅
10600K sure is the most well rounded from all those, but then im sitting on a 9700K running perfectly, guess ill pass a year more.
Love your channel really good, solid info. Between this 10600k and 10700 (not k version) I can get at about the same price witch should I go for?
Intel 2020: lets make an i5 with +200W on OC load
A 3700x can also easily hit 200+ watt when overclocked.
@@bradhaines3142 the 3600 can also easily go above 200 watts. Also the 3700x is in gaming (what most people do) still slower than the i5
@@nielskut2256 Wtf.. no
@@tanzirhossain7159 No?
@@nielskut2256 No, the 3600 does not go above 200w. You deluded little crack head, nor does the 3700x.
If I was building a system for 1080p 144hz/240hz gaming I would definitely be eyeing that 10600K