this is when bill is at his best. love a charged up rant about how ESPN is failing, especially with its NBA crew. he’s spot on too. inside the NBA is infinitely better than whatever garbage is on at halftime on ESPN.
Nobody is covering these kinds of topics with this level of depth and insight in the sports world. These are the kinds of things casual fans can’t even wrap their minds around and so we don’t get this content from literally anyone else who talks about basketball infront of a camera.
I can tell you why ratings. Bill says it’s because it’s too watered down, but that makes zero sense to me. I live in OKC, I am a diehard OKC fan, and I watched all 82 games since they arrived, but now I can’t watch on any platform. I have TH-cam TV for my cable and they aren’t available. I tried NBA league pass and the games are blacked out. The NBA isn’t the NFL. The majority of the people watching are fans watching their local team. If you make it impossible for people like me who want to watch their local games you’re going to miss out on the ratings. Other than the playoffs, I only watched a handful of Thunder games last season, and I have watched a single game this season and they’ve been the 1 seed in the West that entire time. Out of 100 or so regular season game since last season I’ve seen 5 games. I would have watched 100 out of 100 if they gave me an option. I pay for NFL league pass to watch the 49ers. If I could get Thunder games on League Pass I’d but it too. It’s insane that people are confused about the ratings being lower. What do you think is going to happen when you make it impossible for a teams biggest fans to watch their local team game? It’s an easy fix. Make the Thunder games available for me and thousands of other OKC fans and the ratings will go up immediately.
@@burgercheezes The packages were designed for out-of-town fans such as the OP being a 49er fan living outside of the Bay Area, sports bars and the like. Locally they want you to pay for a carrier to watch your teams. I wish that weren't true but there's no way these conglomerates and billionaires are going to make something easier or cheaper for us. They're going to offer something you want, but it's always for a premium. I'm glad the ratings are down as this is the only thing that will flip the balance back the other way. Good on the OP's desire to watch the Thunder every night. I used to be that way with the Knicks, and that was way back when it was first to 80 wins. I find today's game mostly unwatchable, with the exception of certain teams, bigger games and playoffs. Everyone plays the same, there are way too many threes, guys sit all the damn time and instead of addressing it leadership introduces something ridiculous like the NBA cup. Yup, let's make the NBA like European soccer where there are 88 trophies up for grabs on an annual basis. I guess that's why I'm no longer part of the target demographic.
@@jamesdrummond7684 The Poles are Slavs which is easy to tell because they lack the Round head of Fin, the troll like quality of a Norwegian (/Mountain Ape I have heard it's interchangeable) or reek of fermented herring like the common Swede... as for Iceland and Denmark... F'k'em their barely real countries anyway.
@@Zbehdnrhcjrben this all goes back to their mishandling of Chappelles Show dvd/digital sales. South Park was able to argue for their rights back and now license them accordingly. Just as bad a call as giving Trevor Noah The Daily show when he brought down ratings 60%.
If Kendrick Perkins and Malika Andrews are on Inside The NBA, I'm not watching. Wilbon has become a clown, but at least he's a real expert with journalism experience.
The one thing WBD did that I thought was great was streaming ncaa tournament games on max. In those early rounds with a million games I was able to get every one I wanted
Ah lawyer fees cost money too last time I checked. Funny thing is this deal could have been without a lawsuit. ESPN getting “Inside the NBA” in exchange for College games. They would have made this deal in a second. So they actually lost money because they had to pay lawyers.
you're right, the first time someone mentioned me in the conversation. it's worth celebrating. if you hear about lacking champagne in Poland, it's me, my apologies 🙂
I love Bill trying to sneak a pat on the back for his doc with Netflix and get Bellamy to compliment him. The Mcmahon doc was overrated. It didnt unravel or tell us anything new. It was just a Retelling of Mcmahons life. And Bills acting like his sport doc was revolutionary lol.
I wake up every morning and reflect how diff my life would be if the Dutch didn’t provide my great great great great great great great great granddaddy credit in the 1700s lol. Such a Clown comment
And netherlands nowadays doesn't even exist as a sovereign country. Instead it got assimilated into a slow ineffective soviet deterrent whose only purpose nowadays is handing free money to third world countries like greece or croatia
I always found amazing that Bill can do thorough research on topics and is willing to invite informed people to discuss it beyond the usual hot takes and then he is so incredibly and willfully ignorant about basic stuff outside US. A microcosm of how deep in their own butts americans are.
Love listening to Simmons and his co-hosts exposing their education and preparation by trying to figure out who Emirates is (BTW, based in Dubai, not Abu Dhabi) and what countries are Nordic. Geography baby!
Bill is on point about the format of Inside The NBA. If the format, or the air time that the cast gets changes, it will fall flat on it's face. ESPN/Disney is like the ultimate corporate, managed, ultra-PC, micro-manged to the last penny organization. Turner was the opposite. They let their guys have space. Wait until ESPN tries to censor Barkley, or replace him with a woman of color for diversity reasons. ESPN is already doing that to their own hosts.
Anthony Edwards is the next great superstar and being in a mid-market Minnesota team might actually make his swagger more tolerable for a national audience. It's not a small market team like Cleveland or OKC, it's also a bit of a blank slate with no deep-rooted rivalries. Also Minnesota could be the team that switches conferences with expansion which could add a bit more interest if they are making deep playoff runs as he ages into his prime. The NBA can constantly force Minnesota into any timeslots that they need for whatever marketing purpose they're trying to achieve and not get the same blow-back as they'd get for a major team on the east coast or west coast. AE just needs to build his brand a few more years and start winning some rings.
At the absolute peak of WB yoinking my money, I was paying for cable which they got 37% of my package monthly, so they got $49 every month because my package was $135 roughly every month, plus the HBO Max subscription I had which was $15. They lost $64 a month from me. Now let's also account for this, I used to buy a shit load of Blu-rays. So probably once or twice a month at least I was buying a Blu-ray for $10-$30 every single month, now all that stuff is on Max, so why bother? So now you're losing like $30 additionally every single month. That totals to $94. That doesn't even include the amount of money I used to spend on their video games like Mortal Kombat, Batman Arkham, and more that they just don't release often enough anymore and if they do they are often shit. I went from probably giving WB like $1000 of my money per year to like only giving them my $15 a month for Max and occasionally seeing a movie like "Barbie" in theaters and having to buy 4 tickets for my GF and stuff. That's fucking abysmal. This shit is definitely gonna collapse sooner than later.
i mean bill called the cops on some random dude who came to his neighborhood to pick up his friend, bill was frightened cuz bro was black lol. so thats who youre dealing with, it only gets deeper from there too lol
Bill can't see the forest for the trees on the NBA - it's the fact the league is soft, the stars whine and sit, everyone is "injured", and it's a three point contest. These guys can't even get up for the All-Star Game! I miss the 90s and 00s desperately. It's not entertaining.
Bill's take on this is so pigeonholed. He doesn't realize theres a reality where the rights simply cost too much and weren't worth an overpay. Matthew provides a much needed balance to this conversation.
If a guy like Stephen A had achieved even a smidgen of what Bill has can you imagine how often we'd hear him say it? Bill is so understated, sign of a true mensch.
Achievement doesn't mean wealth bud. But even if it did, Stephen A's achievement is being worth a quarter what Bill is worth? Hahaha. Thanks for supporting my point bud, appreciated.
@liamdevine8063 lmao you implied he doesn't have a smidgen I'm saying he has a quarter of his wealth, that's literally the upper end of a smidgen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 PS Yes, wealth is a KEY indicator of achievement in a capitalist society like the USA 🇺🇸
that fight that Netflix had with Tyson and Paul was a disaster. I couldnt even watch the fight until after its over. Lets not act like they are the best at doing live TV. Literally everyone i spoke to had a problem connecting to actually watch the fight. Maybe rich people didnt have that problem but regular people did.
I know I sound like a small child wondering into an advanced economics discussion but is any consideration given to the fact that TNT has been a loyal and valuable partner for nearly 40 years? I know what the current property is, I can't guarantee that ESPN hits the same criteria. Just on the "Inside the NBA" show alone how long do we have before Stephen A takes over the Shaq part or just pops on mid-sentence? Also, their broadcast teams just aren't as good.
@@jackjbrewster7799 they mention the fact that everyone at tnt who has long relationships with the league was fired by the new wb executive zaslow, which is why the nba in turn felt no loyalty toward them in the negotiation
28:20 “maybe Anthony Edwards but he’s in Minnesota” listen, I get that he’s not LeBron but LeBron was in Cleveland for 11 years. Yes, the NBA got lucky that Michael played in Chicago and Kobe played in LA… but that was an era where markets mattered more. When LeBron and OBJ were in Cleveland you would have thought the NYC subway was constantly full of tourists from Ohio. Markets don’t matter anymore re: star power when you reach the absolute top.
Cable tv is going away the same as network shows on the abc, cbs, nbc networks. To me the issue for fans is this a la carte offering makes it hard to remember where their favorite shows /sports are located. It makes no sense for example that for mlb playoffs are on 5 different channels. Like it’s like going into basking Robbins for ice cream and they have self serve of 5000 flavors. Great but where is the chocolate?
If Barkley and Kenny say we want $50 million dollars each. Can TNT or ESPN say no. They are the most popular. Dor the past 20 years they release all the nba news, all nba teams, allstars everything. I hope they use their leverage. And same with Stephen A, i dont like him but he should ask for 40 million. Matt Lauer was getting 25 million 10 years ago.
I root for whatever keeps sports on cable. The only inevitability of these mergers is that paying customers get fucked over. Fuck your MAX and your Netflix and your Amazon Prime, I want to turn the TV on and see the game.
Everyone is talking about NBA ratings being down. I honestly think that literally applies to every single sport. There are soo much more entertainment options these days and no one is going to sit and watch a full game for 3 hours. Ratings are down for all sports across the board. Also, ratings being down doesn’t mean the popularity is down. Cricket is the most watched sport in the world but Lebron is way more popular than any cricket player. Most watched sport
@ yess live game is different. I would to.M because it’s an entirely different experience. I don’t the game attendances are down. Ratings are definitely down.
@@sergiox209 no not NFL because there’s not nearly as many games. If the NBA had only 16 games rating would be Much higher. My question is : do we have the numbers ? Or is this just speculation. Also, NBA has a much higher online and social media presence than the NFL by far. That doesn’t contribute to popularity? Why do they only use TV ratings to come to this conclusion?
Ppl say i am hearing a lot of times that is something that might happen and then either does or doesnt so you cant say you broke unless you say for a fact it happened and saying I am hearing is not 100%.. But whatever its not big deal.
My last seasons watching the NBA were LeBron with the Heat.... been barren since.... 3 pointers mean nothing to me anymore... ITS BORING. Players are so wealthy and under educated its frightening.
LMAO nobody cares lol, the nba literally took off even more after that season your talking about, two years later was the most watched finals game ever outside of jordans last game as a bull, stfu and complain to someone who cares
My guess is he made the mistake of confusing the Netherlands with Denmark which is surprisingly common for whatever reason. No idea what the Poland thing is about.
Best guess: he confused Sweden with Holland. Which IS the same as The Netherlands. Not good considering he’s on a Spotify platform, but I reckon that’s where he got confused.
There are a million things this guy could have said about comments from Chuck and the first thing that comes to mind is "the fried chicken in Atlanta"??? Are you serious lmao???
Somebody has to do a 30 for 30 on the Process 76ers and the net effect over the last decade. That place is one big soap opera. Working title: The COLLAR is fine!
I personally think it’s a weird case where the NFL product has just gotten worse and worse and the NBA product has gotten better and better but the ratings are flipped for the two.
NBA product getting better and better is EXTREMELY subjective. The skill level may be better than ever before, but the on court product and redundant style of play has frustrated if not turned off the interest for many fans.
It's just a function of the schedule. NFL games are more rare, essentially one day a week. It's a ritual. NBA games are on every night. If they switched, the ratings would switch.
Guys get rebound -> Run down the court -> Stop and shoot 3. That is the entirety of the NBA product. You want to make the NBA interesting, take away the 3-point line again.
Bill Simmons opinion is obviously biased towards the NBA here as he really doesn't understand Zaslov’s responsibility to the shareholders of WBD. The NBA deal would not make WBD profitable and they are already working their way out debt.
“If they spin off HBO, what do they have?” Money, Bill … they’d have money. Maybe HBO goes lunar, maybe they drown in a sea of legitimately fantastic content … maybe at $/mo, HBO is behind on viable volume, if ahead on prestige …
Stop waving your hand in front of the camera. Maybe move back 6 inches from the camera. I sincerely offer this advice: it would tune down the Obnoxious Factor of your portion of this podcast by 60 percent.
I just wish we could get Belloni's face closer to the camera.
Pretty sure I saw some spit from his lisp fly out a few times. Solid guy though!
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Good god he’s obnoxious
😂
😂😂😂😂
this is when bill is at his best. love a charged up rant about how ESPN is failing, especially with its NBA crew. he’s spot on too. inside the NBA is infinitely better than whatever garbage is on at halftime on ESPN.
The regular TNT game crews and the team-affiliated broadcast crews are way better than ESPN's crews.
Nobody is covering these kinds of topics with this level of depth and insight in the sports world. These are the kinds of things casual fans can’t even wrap their minds around and so we don’t get this content from literally anyone else who talks about basketball infront of a camera.
Dan LeBetard covers this type of content a bit as well
That is what old deadspin was good for.
They covered sports news contract.
Pablo torre is fasho
BUT BRONNY JAMES!
This guy sounded like sports media business house
House knows how to turn his face forward to the camera at least.
Sports Media Business House would have at least known his camera was on that whole time
“Everything ends badly otherwise it would never end” is such a hard quote
It’s a good one, from the movie cocktail which he used to quote a lot
I'm here for the geographical outrage. 😂
same
I mean, damn! Poland was in Scandinavia for a minute there. 😂😂😂
RIP Geography
“All of these countries are 9, 10 hours difference “. Ha! Try 5,6,7.
Poland is part of Scandinavia 😅
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I can tell you why ratings. Bill says it’s because it’s too watered down, but that makes zero sense to me. I live in OKC, I am a diehard OKC fan, and I watched all 82 games since they arrived, but now I can’t watch on any platform. I have TH-cam TV for my cable and they aren’t available. I tried NBA league pass and the games are blacked out. The NBA isn’t the NFL. The majority of the people watching are fans watching their local team. If you make it impossible for people like me who want to watch their local games you’re going to miss out on the ratings. Other than the playoffs, I only watched a handful of Thunder games last season, and I have watched a single game this season and they’ve been the 1 seed in the West that entire time. Out of 100 or so regular season game since last season I’ve seen 5 games. I would have watched 100 out of 100 if they gave me an option. I pay for NFL league pass to watch the 49ers. If I could get Thunder games on League Pass I’d but it too. It’s insane that people are confused about the ratings being lower. What do you think is going to happen when you make it impossible for a teams biggest fans to watch their local team game? It’s an easy fix. Make the Thunder games available for me and thousands of other OKC fans and the ratings will go up immediately.
Same thing with baseball. Local games are always blacked out. What’s the point of these passes if you screw the local fans either way.
Preach
streameast or buffstreams or nbabite, just stream dude its 2024 not 2004
@@burgercheezes The packages were designed for out-of-town fans such as the OP being a 49er fan living outside of the Bay Area, sports bars and the like. Locally they want you to pay for a carrier to watch your teams. I wish that weren't true but there's no way these conglomerates and billionaires are going to make something easier or cheaper for us. They're going to offer something you want, but it's always for a premium. I'm glad the ratings are down as this is the only thing that will flip the balance back the other way.
Good on the OP's desire to watch the Thunder every night. I used to be that way with the Knicks, and that was way back when it was first to 80 wins. I find today's game mostly unwatchable, with the exception of certain teams, bigger games and playoffs. Everyone plays the same, there are way too many threes, guys sit all the damn time and instead of addressing it leadership introduces something ridiculous like the NBA cup. Yup, let's make the NBA like European soccer where there are 88 trophies up for grabs on an annual basis. I guess that's why I'm no longer part of the target demographic.
why wouldn't you watch them off a pirate streaming site instead of just watching none of their games lol?
Imagine thinking Netherlands is the same as Sweden 💀💀
In 2024?! In America?! Thas easy.
Whoaaa it’s not? Darn Mandela effects 😮
Hahaha I think he got confused as Netherlands is often also referred to as Holland.
Bill not even addressing that. He prob doesn't know either💀💀
Bill is not Dumb at all. He is a boderline savant. His articles back when he still wrote were amazing.
“The Netherlands is the same as Sweden” 🫡
Classic American education
Well, they are both Full of tall, blonde people who speak English better than most Americans.
"Poland is part of the Nordic countries"
@@YersiniaPestisNPO What coast is Washington on?
@@jamesdrummond7684 The Poles are Slavs which is easy to tell because they lack the Round head of Fin, the troll like quality of a Norwegian (/Mountain Ape I have heard it's interchangeable) or reek of fermented herring like the common Swede... as for Iceland and Denmark... F'k'em their barely real countries anyway.
Comedy Central isnt driven by the Daily Show 😂😂😂. South Park makes more money off Merchandise ALONE than Daily Show
However, Paramount does not have the digital rights to SP. One of their many dumb decisions.
@@Zbehdnrhcjrben this all goes back to their mishandling of Chappelles Show dvd/digital sales. South Park was able to argue for their rights back and now license them accordingly.
Just as bad a call as giving Trevor Noah The Daily show when he brought down ratings 60%.
If Kendrick Perkins and Malika Andrews are on Inside The NBA, I'm not watching. Wilbon has become a clown, but at least he's a real expert with journalism experience.
Even Wilbon is a stretch. He’s becoming a grumpy old man
Wilbon was a first-rate columnist at the Post, but on tv he exemplifies the Peter Principle.
yeah you deserve the credit for reporting it bill
The one thing WBD did that I thought was great was streaming ncaa tournament games on max. In those early rounds with a million games I was able to get every one I wanted
Max streaming is fantastic. Maybe the best streaming of live sports currently IMO. Peacock does great too.
So they got literally $100 million back just by filling the lawsuit and you're asking if it was worth it? lol
Drop in the bucket for these companies but WB has shown to be penny pinchers so probably a W in there eyes
Yea but the way the whole thing (not just the lawsuit) went down will turn others off from getting together with them in the future
Ah lawyer fees cost money too last time I checked.
Funny thing is this deal could have been without a lawsuit. ESPN getting “Inside the NBA” in exchange for College games. They would have made this deal in a second.
So they actually lost money because they had to pay lawyers.
Bill: - when you factor Poland, maybe it's a great deal for them
Me, listening the episode from Poland: 😮😮😮
you were happy to be mentioned.
you're right, the first time someone mentioned me in the conversation. it's worth celebrating. if you hear about lacking champagne in Poland, it's me, my apologies 🙂
Now all that has to happen is for people to start watching NBA games again.
People are watching.... on illegal streams. If the NBA wants to get its ratings back up.... they gotta tear down the paywalls.
I won't but I'll watch TH-cam
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Not looking that’s gonna this year. ☺️
we do, on streams
Huge fumble by Amazon by not scooping up Inside the NBA. Maybe they never had a chance but denying espn that show would have been a real blow to them.
I love Bill trying to sneak a pat on the back for his doc with Netflix and get Bellamy to compliment him. The Mcmahon doc was overrated. It didnt unravel or tell us anything new. It was just a Retelling of Mcmahons life. And Bills acting like his sport doc was revolutionary lol.
it was new to bill and he made the thing..
who didnt know gorilla was set to takeover before vince k stepped up?
Overreach on that comment 😂
He just expressed surprise at how many people have Netflix
Netherlands legitimized the US by providing their first international credit line in 1780. And now they are apparently the same as Sweden.
Learn irrelevant things everyday
I wake up every morning and reflect how diff my life would be if the Dutch didn’t provide my great great great great great great great great granddaddy credit in the 1700s lol. Such a Clown comment
And netherlands nowadays doesn't even exist as a sovereign country. Instead it got assimilated into a slow ineffective soviet deterrent whose only purpose nowadays is handing free money to third world countries like greece or croatia
I always found amazing that Bill can do thorough research on topics and is willing to invite informed people to discuss it beyond the usual hot takes and then he is so incredibly and willfully ignorant about basic stuff outside US. A microcosm of how deep in their own butts americans are.
no. 1. cares
Hard to see this Matthew fella! Someone tell him to squeeze in and get an even wider lens
Cable tv is on a decline and people can’t afford cable tv no more since they got too greedy
Love listening to Simmons and his co-hosts exposing their education and preparation by trying to figure out who Emirates is (BTW, based in Dubai, not Abu Dhabi) and what countries are Nordic. Geography baby!
Americans unfortunately have a reputation of not being good with geography lol
And don't forget Poland is a Slavic country.
I find inside the nba more entertaining than the actual NBA.
Exactly
It's crazy that we've had this format for media for as long as we have and there are people like this who can't figure out how to place a camera.
“Of course you have the Nordic countries of Sweden, Finland, uh…Cambodia, Madagascar, El Salvador, and uhhhhh Panama City Beach…”
When are people gonna realize no one has respect for Adam Silver?
Im sorry that geography was so bad Poland in the Nordics? Had me losing my shit
Engrish?!
Good shit!
Slob
In a country where Stanford and Cal are in the Atlantic Coast Conference, it’s not THAT shocking.
@@DanStrayerwhat, really?
You shut your mouth, we the Nordics now!
Bill is on point about the format of Inside The NBA. If the format, or the air time that the cast gets changes, it will fall flat on it's face. ESPN/Disney is like the ultimate corporate, managed, ultra-PC, micro-manged to the last penny organization. Turner was the opposite. They let their guys have space. Wait until ESPN tries to censor Barkley, or replace him with a woman of color for diversity reasons. ESPN is already doing that to their own hosts.
Anthony Edwards is the next great superstar and being in a mid-market Minnesota team might actually make his swagger more tolerable for a national audience. It's not a small market team like Cleveland or OKC, it's also a bit of a blank slate with no deep-rooted rivalries. Also Minnesota could be the team that switches conferences with expansion which could add a bit more interest if they are making deep playoff runs as he ages into his prime. The NBA can constantly force Minnesota into any timeslots that they need for whatever marketing purpose they're trying to achieve and not get the same blow-back as they'd get for a major team on the east coast or west coast. AE just needs to build his brand a few more years and start winning some rings.
Speaking of rich guys, I was shocked to learn how rich Bill was exactly... But good for him. He understands ownership very well
Belloni's geography knowledge is a great endorsement of the American public education system.
We need to just settle on a universal webcam angle for these. Belloni looks like he's eating out of a trough.
"Sweden is the same as the Netherlands" Tells you how much these guys know about the world
Poland has Robert Lewandowski, Hubi, Iga, kielbasa, and four people to screw in a light bulb.
Don't forget Jeremy Sochan
But it lost the recipe for ice, soooooo…
At the absolute peak of WB yoinking my money, I was paying for cable which they got 37% of my package monthly, so they got $49 every month because my package was $135 roughly every month, plus the HBO Max subscription I had which was $15. They lost $64 a month from me. Now let's also account for this, I used to buy a shit load of Blu-rays. So probably once or twice a month at least I was buying a Blu-ray for $10-$30 every single month, now all that stuff is on Max, so why bother? So now you're losing like $30 additionally every single month. That totals to $94. That doesn't even include the amount of money I used to spend on their video games like Mortal Kombat, Batman Arkham, and more that they just don't release often enough anymore and if they do they are often shit. I went from probably giving WB like $1000 of my money per year to like only giving them my $15 a month for Max and occasionally seeing a movie like "Barbie" in theaters and having to buy 4 tickets for my GF and stuff. That's fucking abysmal. This shit is definitely gonna collapse sooner than later.
Wringing hands over the NBA. An all-American tradition.
“We need Barkley’s comments on like, fried chicken in Atlanta.”
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Yeah that made me react too. LMAO
i mean bill called the cops on some random dude who came to his neighborhood to pick up his friend, bill was frightened cuz bro was black lol. so thats who youre dealing with, it only gets deeper from there too lol
Espn is too cringe to not mess it up. I'll watch it on TH-cam
The most important part of this:
Shaq can still yell at Underdog to put things on t-shirts.
Maybe don't spoil the plot of series that just came out, Bill. WTF was that?
Was this from Tuesdays pod? Cause I can't find this on Spotify
It’s on The Towns podcast feed Bill just posted on his TH-cam channel
He didn't even do one because he wanted to waste time on this that nobody but cares about but
I’m just happy that the NBA is back on NBC where it belongs
Bill can't see the forest for the trees on the NBA - it's the fact the league is soft, the stars whine and sit, everyone is "injured", and it's a three point contest. These guys can't even get up for the All-Star Game! I miss the 90s and 00s desperately. It's not entertaining.
right on. if the players don't care you the games, why would the fans?
Richardson: take me out, man. Not feeling good. NFL: You're a quarterback wtf?!?
@@hankhillsnrrwurethra Great point! He was roundly mocked and lambasted. He's a rookie, not a superstar.
@@jacobc4320 I don't anymore. I bought the NBA package for so many years when I barely had any money. Now as an adult with money to spend? No thanks.
Bill's take on this is so pigeonholed. He doesn't realize theres a reality where the rights simply cost too much and weren't worth an overpay. Matthew provides a much needed balance to this conversation.
Regular tv is shrinking, live sports is huge, if you don’t have live sports over the next 10 years you are in big trouble
@ that’s true. But it’s not bankrupting your company for. Also, the nba is hardly the only live sport that people want to watch.
Poland was top 3 countries with the most league pass subs last season.
Inside the NBA is the ad to get you to watch the real programming (commercials).
Watching NBA from Colombia
Does the guy on the right realize his webcam is on?
Simmons was on this from the start. Well done, Bill. 👏
Said Poland too soon. Poland is the country you're not supposed to forget about, not the country you start with.
(God, I'm old. 😆)
Trying to watch this, but oh my god, who cares about a conversation about sports rights assets between two men who think Poland is a Nordic country.
Slavic
Why no podcast yesterday?
The nba is the main reason I have max throughout the year. I'm going to churn off of max next year.
What on earth is that geography 😂😂😂
If a guy like Stephen A had achieved even a smidgen of what Bill has can you imagine how often we'd hear him say it? Bill is so understated, sign of a true mensch.
Well bill is worth 100m SAS is worth 25m....sounds like a smidgen to me, and we do hear him beat his chest often 😂so no need to imagine
ew wtf
Achievement doesn't mean wealth bud.
But even if it did, Stephen A's achievement is being worth a quarter what Bill is worth? Hahaha.
Thanks for supporting my point bud, appreciated.
@@pattyweston-mg8kz right back at you patty lol
@liamdevine8063 lmao you implied he doesn't have a smidgen I'm saying he has a quarter of his wealth, that's literally the upper end of a smidgen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 PS
Yes, wealth is a KEY indicator of achievement in a capitalist society like the USA 🇺🇸
that fight that Netflix had with Tyson and Paul was a disaster. I couldnt even watch the fight until after its over. Lets not act like they are the best at doing live TV. Literally everyone i spoke to had a problem connecting to actually watch the fight. Maybe rich people didnt have that problem but regular people did.
Been listening The Town for awhile. Damn Belloni face is so close too the camera.
The IWC is gonna go crazy with their AEW comments
I know I sound like a small child wondering into an advanced economics discussion but is any consideration given to the fact that TNT has been a loyal and valuable partner for nearly 40 years?
I know what the current property is, I can't guarantee that ESPN hits the same criteria. Just on the "Inside the NBA" show alone how long do we have before Stephen A takes over the Shaq part or just pops on mid-sentence? Also, their broadcast teams just aren't as good.
@@jackjbrewster7799 they mention the fact that everyone at tnt who has long relationships with the league was fired by the new wb executive zaslow, which is why the nba in turn felt no loyalty toward them in the negotiation
Ohh they will def push to get a black woman on the show...
Mergers also have to do with rampant monopolies and lack of enforcement of antitrust laws the last few decades
Is there any way the dude on the right could not speak so Bill can explain this thing
Guv really thought Netherlands was Sweden? Peak American moment right there.
So that’s why they let Zach Lowe go.
Is this from a full pod or he just doing TH-cam only videos now
Hearing Bill trash AEW is hilarious since he's had a working relationship with WWE for years.
just like Helwani
Love to see 🇺🇸's knowledge of geography. Netherlands are the same as Sweden, right?
28:20 “maybe Anthony Edwards but he’s in Minnesota” listen, I get that he’s not LeBron but LeBron was in Cleveland for 11 years. Yes, the NBA got lucky that Michael played in Chicago and Kobe played in LA… but that was an era where markets mattered more. When LeBron and OBJ were in Cleveland you would have thought the NYC subway was constantly full of tourists from Ohio. Markets don’t matter anymore re: star power when you reach the absolute top.
NBA viewership is down 28% this year. WBD would have sunk themselves paying for the NBA
Dude, States need to give green cards for all geography teachers from Mexico
Icked me to death with: "the Netherlands is the same as Sweden"
You are grown ass man that just used ick...
Cable tv is going away the same as network shows on the abc, cbs, nbc networks.
To me the issue for fans is this a la carte offering makes it hard to remember where their favorite shows /sports are located. It makes no sense for example that for mlb playoffs are on 5 different channels. Like it’s like going into basking Robbins for ice cream and they have self serve of 5000 flavors. Great but where is the chocolate?
Simmons is back
If Barkley and Kenny say we want $50 million dollars each. Can TNT or ESPN say no. They are the most popular. Dor the past 20 years they release all the nba news, all nba teams, allstars everything. I hope they use their leverage. And same with Stephen A, i dont like him but he should ask for 40 million. Matt Lauer was getting 25 million 10 years ago.
I root for whatever keeps sports on cable. The only inevitability of these mergers is that paying customers get fucked over.
Fuck your MAX and your Netflix and your Amazon Prime, I want to turn the TV on and see the game.
Belloni needs to get closer to the camera I can barely see him
Everyone is talking about NBA ratings being down. I honestly think that literally applies to every single sport. There are soo much more entertainment options these days and no one is going to sit and watch a full game for 3 hours. Ratings are down for all sports across the board. Also, ratings being down doesn’t mean the popularity is down. Cricket is the most watched sport in the world but Lebron is way more popular than any cricket player.
Most watched sport
I would go to a live game and watch for 3 hours
@ yess live game is different. I would to.M because it’s an entirely different experience. I don’t the game attendances are down. Ratings are definitely down.
not nfl tho
@@sergiox209 no not NFL because there’s not nearly as many games. If the NBA had only 16 games rating would be
Much higher. My question is : do we have the numbers ? Or is this just speculation. Also, NBA has a much higher online and social media presence than the NFL by far. That doesn’t contribute to popularity? Why do they only use TV ratings to come to this conclusion?
Ppl say i am hearing a lot of times that is something that might happen and then either does or doesnt so you cant say you broke unless you say for a fact it happened and saying I am hearing is not 100%.. But whatever its not big deal.
Oh look at me in the comments- I know my geography
My last seasons watching the NBA were LeBron with the Heat.... been barren since.... 3 pointers mean nothing to me anymore... ITS BORING. Players are so wealthy and under educated its frightening.
It's
LMAO nobody cares lol, the nba literally took off even more after that season your talking about, two years later was the most watched finals game ever outside of jordans last game as a bull, stfu and complain to someone who cares
Yesssssss
Apparently geography ain’t this guys strong suit. Poland is a Nordic country? The Netherlands is the same thing as Sweden? Lol
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My guess is he made the mistake of confusing the Netherlands with Denmark which is surprisingly common for whatever reason. No idea what the Poland thing is about.
Best guess: he confused Sweden with Holland. Which IS the same as The Netherlands.
Not good considering he’s on a Spotify platform, but I reckon that’s where he got confused.
@@chokistick9581Someone is confusing Norway with the Netherlands
Jon Faverau is into basketball now? Really versatile fellow..
There are a million things this guy could have said about comments from Chuck and the first thing that comes to mind is "the fried chicken in Atlanta"??? Are you serious lmao???
David Zaslav thought the nba needed him and played hardball with them
Ya thats what bill said months ago
Somebody has to do a 30 for 30 on the Process 76ers and the net effect over the last decade. That place is one big soap opera.
Working title: The COLLAR is fine!
For your information 😂 Northern countries : Denmark,Finland,Sweden,Norway,iceland !
Other night at pub quiz, the Q was what country is new miss universe? And I can’t remember which but I got it down to five!
Bill needs to ballwash the NBA's garbage product some more.
I am listening and I am not getting anything out of this conversation 😅
Why is Matt Bologna so far away from his camera? Kyle please get the tiktok camera closer.
Guy on the right sounds a pretty uninformed on most topics
oh no he doesn't play pdx game and didn't take geo in college or late hs oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Don’t hate on the Bananas.
I personally think it’s a weird case where the NFL product has just gotten worse and worse and the NBA product has gotten better and better but the ratings are flipped for the two.
NBA product getting better and better is EXTREMELY subjective. The skill level may be better than ever before, but the on court product and redundant style of play has frustrated if not turned off the interest for many fans.
It's just a function of the schedule. NFL games are more rare, essentially one day a week. It's a ritual. NBA games are on every night. If they switched, the ratings would switch.
Guys get rebound -> Run down the court -> Stop and shoot 3.
That is the entirety of the NBA product.
You want to make the NBA interesting, take away the 3-point line again.
@@Riles3152 redundant style of play? buddy either just blatantly say your bad faith or admit your 12 years old
@@GabaGhoul10 never gonna happen, keep crying
This isn't about the NBA-TNT breakup. It's about a bunch of minutae about media corporations.
Bill Simmons opinion is obviously biased towards the NBA here as he really doesn't understand Zaslov’s responsibility to the shareholders of WBD. The NBA deal would not make WBD profitable and they are already working their way out debt.
Think Zaslov played this perfectly. Got money from nba; a product that’s on the decline & he can swoop in future if needed.
“If they spin off HBO, what do they have?” Money, Bill … they’d have money. Maybe HBO goes lunar, maybe they drown in a sea of legitimately fantastic content … maybe at $/mo, HBO is behind on viable volume, if ahead on prestige …
Netherlands is the same as Sweden 😂😂hilarious
Shaq needs a new contract as well after this season.
Stop waving your hand in front of the camera. Maybe move back 6 inches from the camera. I sincerely offer this advice: it would tune down the Obnoxious Factor of your portion of this podcast by 60 percent.
The dude in Dodgers cap didn't seem too stupid talking sports but the geography failure was a bad start - made me think he was super dumb.