Your pump is probably only seeing around 9 volts using that cord due to voltage drop. 8 AWG wire at 12 volts is going to give you a far better result at 100 foot of single way wire length, For the temp setup to get a sample it's less important but for the commenters looking at permanent solar powered installations you are losing a lot of power in just overcoming the resistance of the cable. Running at 24 volts using 12 AWG will gif approximately the same results. A lot more could go into calculating wire size as the Amps of the motor vary with head and will make a difference in the required wire size IE at worst case scenario of maximum lift of 230 feet, you would need 4 AWG wire at 24 volts to keep voltage drop below 5%
The pump is a 24 volt pump that will operate down to 10 volts. For my installation the pump is down 50 feet. The voltage drop on 24v 4 amp 16 gauge copper for 50 feet is 1.6 volts. If I was using a direct connect solar panel the voltage would be closer to 28 volts and the drop would be less. On a 230 foot 14 gauge copper 4 amps 28 volts the loss would be 4.65 volts putting the pump around 24 volts in full sun. Using an extension cord has a small power loss with a big cost savings.
Thanks, the numbers I used account for the loop, check out this online calculator pre loaded with the values I stated. www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=8.286&voltage=24&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=230&distanceunit=feet&eres=4&x=70&y=12
Thanks for the video, we are about to install a solar submersible pump. we have few doubts, Our water level is 40 feet or 14 mt approximately. Is this the static depth and we should install deep ? How much deep should we install the pump? Please help
I would install the pump a few feet above the bottom of the well. High enough that you don't pull dirt off the bottom but low enough that you can draw down the water column if necessary.
+Kausu Kinteh -- I would say no. With a good 24 volt supply it will pump 2 GPM or 7.5 LPM. Best case in the middle of the summer I would use 10 hours for a full sun number. Thats 4500 liters a day and thats best case add some clouds or a long pipe run and it will be less. In the winter it will be a lot less.
Hi, I have a well 8 feet deep to water level and 20 feet deeper to ground. My tank is 20 feet away at 10 feet high. Will this pump be enough to store water from well to tank using solar power 12v? Thanks in advance for the information.
Rinbert Emmanuel Laus Yes it will, from the information you have provided you are only lifting the water 38 feet, make sure your solar panel is large enough to start the pump. I would use at least a 120 watt panel.
Why lower the pump down 95ft, why not put it at say 60ft? You will get way more flow that way. I understand if your just seeing how it works at the deeper level. How did your water quality test come out?
+Grant W. Whitwam --- I put the pump down 95 feet because we were checking for draw down and I wanted to make sure it always had plenty water. Lowering the pump in the hole does not reduce flow other than the head loss difference in the additional pipe witch in this case is negligible. If you think about a pump sitting in the well. The water above the pump will push through the pump and into the pipe up to the top of the water level in the well. At that point the pump is only raising the water the difference from the water level in the well to the tank on the surface. Raising or lowering the pump in the well doesn't change the water level in the well or the tank level it is pumping to, the two items that would affect flow. To throw a wrench in the works this pump is a positive displacement pump and the flow rate isn't really effected by load like a centrifugal pump. Mostly power consumption goes up as head goes up until it hits it's limit. Our water tests came out excellent only a little high on manganese.
I don't understand why having a healthy 3-4 gallons a minute from your well would necessitate using a pump with only 2 gallons a minute as you say in your description. That is, unless you're only going to be placing the pump just below the static water level, or intend on leaving the pump on all the time. Lots of wells around here get by fine with 1 or 2 GPM and a 120/220 submersible. This is especially true if you consider that the storage capacity of wells, and an average person only uses about 100 gallons a day. It looks like the real reason would be prepping in case the grid goes down, or you don't have electricity out there yet. Anyway, just doesn't quite make sense.
+dnsmithnc --- It's not that a 120 volt submersible wont work but there are some reasons no to use one. The smallest typical 120v submersible is about 10 gallons a min so the output would have to be throttled to reduce the flow rate. Throttling will preventing overdrawing the well but also reduces the cooling through the motor. The motors in these pumps are not very efficient and will draw about 1200 watts. The pump I used draws about 100 watts to pump 2 gallons a min and can not over draw the well. I can also run it from a car battery if the power is out.It is very light and one person can easily install and service the pump with out the need for rigging.
+B-Spot Folks, despite what B-Spot is saying, you can use a 10 GPM 120/220 submersible pump for 3-4 gallon wells or less. It's done all the time. Ask people living off of wells, such as I have for many years or, a well driller. The advantage of the 10 GPM pump is that it can keep your well tank or, storage tank filled during times of heavy use, such as when taking a shower or flushing the commode, thus giving you consistent water pressure and flow. You won't run out of water if your well is dug to give you adequate storage and, you don't run the water all the time which very few people do. Remember, the average person only uses about 100 Gallons per day. A 3 gallon per minute well will produce 4320 gallons per day. Again, the only good reason for using this kind of pump is, staying off the grid, or you don't have electrical service to the pump. Both of those are good reasons but, the fact that the well is 3-4 gallons per minute which is a decent flow rate for residential applications, is not.
+dnsmithnc -- I thought I was very clear that a standard submersible is fine but there are other considerations. Seems that your from the 120v submersible pump association.In the end I don't care what you put down your hole.
+B-Spot Quote from you. "We used this pump because the well flow rate is only 3-4 GPM." That is not a valid reason for using your kind of pump and not a submersible running off of the grid. That is my point. Look, the rest of your video is good. However, you're giving the false impression that your flow rate necessitated the use of that kind of pump. Some poor smuck could read that statement and think he has to use your kind of pump and not a 120/220 submersible. Millions of homes world wide, including one of mine, say your wrong. Just take the criticism to an otherwise good video and make sure your descriptions are accurate.
+dnsmithnc are you a pump supplier or installer? the only time I've ever seen someone push 120/220 pumps so hard is the drilling/pump companies I've worked, because they do not know solar pumps so they try to "stick with what they know" and pump a grid power pump, and use your words exactly "you can use a 5gpm pump and choke it down or use a pump saver".what you aren't saying is that choking it down significantly shortens the life of those pumps, constantly pumping against pressure and frequent start and stops will burn them up fast. I've seen them burn up in 2-5 yrs when their life expectancy is 7-14 yrs. with 20yrs in the water well industry (drilling, trouble shooting and installing water systems) I personally think for as swallow as his well is, his water yield, lack of power, he made a every good choice.
If was dug by professional drilling.You could of had them put it in for you.Though saves your time.But the running of water pipes from it.To the house it self is your responsibility.
Thank you B spot. I am watching this in May 2019 and it is still so relevant. Good job! Helping to build a wall in a dry part of Africa.
Thanks for posting this. I am looking at this for a small mobile home .
Nous apprécions votre video. Nous sommes dans le domaine au Burkina.
Merci et bonne suite
Your pump is probably only seeing around 9 volts using that cord due to voltage drop. 8 AWG wire at 12 volts is going to give you a far better result at 100 foot of single way wire length, For the temp setup to get a sample it's less important but for the commenters looking at permanent solar powered installations you are losing a lot of power in just overcoming the resistance of the cable. Running at 24 volts using 12 AWG will gif approximately the same results. A lot more could go into calculating wire size as the Amps of the motor vary with head and will make a difference in the required wire size IE at worst case scenario of maximum lift of 230 feet, you would need 4 AWG wire at 24 volts to keep voltage drop below 5%
The pump is a 24 volt pump that will operate down to 10 volts. For my installation the pump is down 50 feet. The voltage drop on 24v 4 amp 16 gauge copper for 50 feet is 1.6 volts. If I was using a direct connect solar panel the voltage would be closer to 28 volts and the drop would be less. On a 230 foot 14 gauge copper 4 amps 28 volts the loss would be 4.65 volts putting the pump around 24 volts in full sun. Using an extension cord has a small power loss with a big cost savings.
You need to account for the total wire length, 230 feet is really 460 feet of wire ;)
In any case I enjoyed your video :)
Thanks, the numbers I used account for the loop, check out this online calculator pre loaded with the values I stated.
www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=8.286&voltage=24&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=230&distanceunit=feet&eres=4&x=70&y=12
I THANK YOU FOR THIS
I need to do research on a system to run off 400 to 500 watts of solar. I think pump will be about 35 meters down. Well more videos to look at.
Thanks for the video, we are about to install a solar submersible pump. we have few doubts,
Our water level is 40 feet or 14 mt approximately.
Is this the static depth and we should install deep ? How much deep should we install the pump? Please help
I would install the pump a few feet above the bottom of the well. High enough that you don't pull dirt off the bottom but low enough that you can draw down the water column if necessary.
In Central Florida, will well drillers drill for a 12 volt pump I can install myself? What can i expert to pay?
The pump is about 700, I thought water was about 10 feet down in Florida you could dig a well by hand.
thanks for the video, can this pump works for an open well of 40 meter deep
It should, it's rated to a depth of 70 meters.
I need at least 8000litres a day on a sunny day. Will this pump be able provide that.
+Kausu Kinteh -- I would say no. With a good 24 volt supply it will pump 2 GPM or 7.5 LPM. Best case in the middle of the summer I would use 10 hours for a full sun number. Thats 4500 liters a day and thats best case add some clouds or a long pipe run and it will be less. In the winter it will be a lot less.
Good installation but why you hold the cable and the pump hose when you are lowering the pump this is prohibited instead you should use the rope.
To add the tape-off every 10 ft or so.
Wondering pump availability in New Zealand ? If anyone might know please
www.pumpstore.co.nz/solar-pump-c-28_94.html
Hi, I have a well 8 feet deep to water level and 20 feet deeper to ground. My tank is 20 feet away at 10 feet high. Will this pump be enough to store water from well to tank using solar power 12v? Thanks in advance for the information.
Rinbert Emmanuel Laus Yes it will, from the information you have provided you are only lifting the water 38 feet, make sure your solar panel is large enough to start the pump. I would use at least a 120 watt panel.
Is this workout for 150 feet depth bore.
Yes maximum depth is 220 ish
Why lower the pump down 95ft, why not put it at say 60ft? You will get way more flow that way. I understand if your just seeing how it works at the deeper level. How did your water quality test come out?
+Grant W. Whitwam --- I put the pump down 95 feet because we were checking for draw down and I wanted to make sure it always had plenty water. Lowering the pump in the hole does not reduce flow other than the head loss difference in the additional pipe witch in this case is negligible. If you think about a pump sitting in the well. The water above the pump will push through the pump and into the pipe up to the top of the water level in the well. At that point the pump is only raising the water the difference from the water level in the well to the tank on the surface. Raising or lowering the pump in the well doesn't change the water level in the well or the tank level it is pumping to, the two items that would affect flow. To throw a wrench in the works this pump is a positive displacement pump and the flow rate isn't really effected by load like a centrifugal pump. Mostly power consumption goes up as head goes up until it hits it's limit. Our water tests came out excellent only a little high on manganese.
I'm used to working with shallow wells, where the water has to be sucked out
That's just not true. The level of pump in water doesn't matter.
what is the depth of well
105 feet.
maximum how many feet this pump take out water from below?
200 feet.
The shurflo is around $800 amarine on eBay or Amazon has one similar for $80 without the parts support. If this helps anybody out offgrid on a budget.
I would used heavy zip ties and wrapped two times instead of electrical tape HF has them cheap by the bundle good vid thanx
Zip ties tear up your hands when lowering and raising the pipe.
HF wire tie zips are junk ... brittle and break in a years time...
Very low discharge rate. Insufficient for the cost
I Ned this pump so how to buy ? tell me please
--- Just give amazon 600 bucks.
www.amazon.com/SHURflo-Submersible-Solar-Model-9325-043-101/dp/B000NCEBDW
No torque stops ?
+N.C Kayak King This pump has almost no twisting action when started they aren't necessary.
+B-Spot Nice to know thank you. good luck.Awesome Job. I'm trying to put in an off grid cabin on top a mountain .
Tell the Price of moter
www.amazon.com/9325-043-101-Industrial-Submersible-Santoprene-Diaphragm/dp/B000NCEBDW/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=shurflo+well+pump+24+volt&qid=1568762924&s=gateway&sr=8-3
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I don't understand why having a healthy 3-4 gallons a minute from your well would necessitate using a pump with only 2 gallons a minute as you say in your description. That is, unless you're only going to be placing the pump just below the static water level, or intend on leaving the pump on all the time. Lots of wells around here get by fine with 1 or 2 GPM and a 120/220 submersible. This is especially true if you consider that the storage capacity of wells, and an average person only uses about 100 gallons a day. It looks like the real reason would be prepping in case the grid goes down, or you don't have electricity out there yet. Anyway, just doesn't quite make sense.
+dnsmithnc --- It's not that a 120 volt submersible wont work but there are some reasons no to use one. The smallest typical 120v submersible is about 10 gallons a min so the output would have to be throttled to reduce the flow rate. Throttling will preventing overdrawing the well but also reduces the cooling through the motor. The motors in these pumps are not very efficient and will draw about 1200 watts. The pump I used draws about 100 watts to pump 2 gallons a min and can not over draw the well. I can also run it from a car battery if the power is out.It is very light and one person can easily install and service the pump with out the need for rigging.
+B-Spot Folks, despite what B-Spot is saying, you can use a 10 GPM 120/220 submersible pump for 3-4 gallon wells or less. It's done all the time. Ask people living off of wells, such as I have for many years or, a well driller.
The advantage of the 10 GPM pump is that it can keep your well tank or, storage tank filled during times of heavy use, such as when taking a shower or flushing the commode, thus giving you consistent water pressure and flow.
You won't run out of water if your well is dug to give you adequate storage and, you don't run the water all the time which very few people do. Remember, the average person only uses about 100 Gallons per day. A 3 gallon per minute well will produce 4320 gallons per day. Again, the only good reason for using this kind of pump is, staying off the grid, or you don't have electrical service to the pump. Both of those are good reasons but, the fact that the well is 3-4 gallons per minute which is a decent flow rate for residential applications, is not.
+dnsmithnc -- I thought I was very clear that a standard submersible is fine but there are other considerations. Seems that your from the 120v submersible pump association.In the end I don't care what you put down your hole.
+B-Spot Quote from you. "We used this pump because the well flow rate is only 3-4 GPM." That is not a valid reason for using your kind of pump and not a submersible running off of the grid. That is my point. Look, the rest of your video is good. However, you're giving the false impression that your flow rate necessitated the use of that kind of pump. Some poor smuck could read that statement and think he has to use your kind of pump and not a 120/220 submersible. Millions of homes world wide, including one of mine, say your wrong. Just take the criticism to an otherwise good video and make sure your descriptions are accurate.
+dnsmithnc are you a pump supplier or installer? the only time I've ever seen someone push 120/220 pumps so hard is the drilling/pump companies I've worked, because they do not know solar pumps so they try to "stick with what they know" and pump a grid power pump, and use your words exactly "you can use a 5gpm pump and choke it down or use a pump saver".what you aren't saying is that choking it down significantly shortens the life of those pumps, constantly pumping against pressure and frequent start and stops will burn them up fast. I've seen them burn up in 2-5 yrs when their life expectancy is 7-14 yrs.
with 20yrs in the water well industry (drilling, trouble shooting and installing water systems) I personally think for as swallow as his well is, his water yield, lack of power, he made a every good choice.
Yum...nothing better then tasting electrical tape in the morning....
If you have a submersible well pump there is about a 99% chance there is tape in the hole, it has no effect on the waters taste.
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Should have been operating off a 12v, 24v or 48v wind turbine....
If was dug by professional drilling.You could of had them put it in for you.Though saves your time.But the running of water pipes from it.To the house it self is your responsibility.
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Where can i get wire for this pump
I use an extension cord a cheap 16 gauge big box special. If you are greater than 150 feet deep I would use a 14 gauge or larger cord.