Are Mania & Bipolar Related to Creativity? | Dr. Andrew Huberman
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- Dr. Andrew Huberman discusses the link between bipolar disorder and creativity.
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This clip is from the Huberman Lab episode "The Science & Treatment of Bipolar Disorder." The full episode can be found on TH-cam here: th-cam.com/video/m_OazsImOiI/w-d-xo.html
My younger sister was bipolar and committed suicide. She was a brilliant person. Extremely funny and the quickest wit I've ever seen. But she had terrible, terrible lows, too. Thank you for all the help you're giving people, Dr. Huberman!
The key is to learn how to harness that power
I'm having bipolar type 2 , I'm an architecture student. Whenever I'm having manic episode I'm very productive, I finishe all my assignments, I research a lot, during that time whatever I design is sooooo creative and everyone praise me but after some time manic phase fades and all my creativity kinda vanish away.... Without manic mode on I feel less creative, and I don't like it but I also don't like being manic
Same! I've practiced architecture for years, I am now doing a graduate degree...
All through... in undergrad architecture school, in practice and now in grad school I've experienced the exact same thing you've described. Over and over again.
I had a job for 5 years before coming to the US to do my master's. I'm pretty sure if I wasn't so good at what I do, my boss would have fired me a long time ago, because of the inconsistency. But when I'm good, I'm reaaally good, so he could never let me go, even during the financial crisis when everyone lost their jobs, he let everyone go and did his best to keep me.
I'm not saying this to brag or anything, I don't love it, I've always thought if I was able to be more consistent I would have easily owned that office, rather than worrying about keeping/getting a job.
Do you know how to stay manic or what trigger manic episode
In my case manic phase activates when i skip my sleep for 24+ hours
This is so me but im a law stydent and i have the most profound work wgen im mabic and finnish all my assignments months and weeks ahead of time i also have this thing where ill have startup ideas and crunch the numbers for a week straight when im manic but when im back to normal i know for a fact im not as effective
This is so me but im a law stydent and i have the most profound work wgen im mabic and finnish all my assignments months and weeks ahead of time i also have this thing where ill have startup ideas and crunch the numbers for a week straight when im manic but when im back to normal i know for a fact im not as effective
This is way too close to home. Nicely summed up. Mania maybe?
I'm an artist that struggles with this a lot and it's not that creating poetry or else you would be having episodes, it's that you being deppresed for a long time made you seek new ways to express yourself. Then it becomes like an escape or obession because you're creating your world to escape your current situation and the more you escape the better you're at the craft coincidentally
THIS^^^^^^^^
Interesting… for me it is almost the opposite. I write poetry almost as therapy, not as an escape but as a deep dive to tease apart and give voice to the pain and process
So far you’re the only one who has talked about how people misuse the terms OCD and Bipolar. People call others bipolar simply as an insult and it has actually affected me. I had to learn about bipolare disorder in nursing school where it’s impossible to know everything about everything unless you specialize so I explain it as, I know a little bit about everything. So we breifly learned about bipolar disorder. Years later, I was diagnosed after a manic episode that landed me in the hospital. I’ve spent months really learning and trying to understand what is going on with me. It has been extremely difficult and confusing. It was recently that I realized, most of what I knew was the brief overview in nursing (didn’t go into the psychiatric side) and the misconceptions because of other people’s words. The fact that “being bipolar” is used as an insult does hurt but it caused more confusion than anything when I was trying to deeply understand this disorder. Thank you for mentioning this because it matters. There’s so many misconceptions out there and we should all try to be open and understanding about any illness.
Thank you for your remarks regarding the casual phrase "S/he's so bipolar." Something else that I picked up along the way that made a big difference to me was that I NEVER say that I AM bipolar. I say I HAVE bipolar.
I have GAD, Panic Disorder, OCD, ADHD, BP1, BPD, PTSD, Depression, and a seizure and eating disorder, and i produce music and i dj. i started on my own at drums at 5. i have always carried music w me
Thank you so much for this episode, Dr. Huberman! I am very thankful for this episode!
I am diagnosed with ptsd and bipolar 2 , I also overcame a 17 year and opiate addiction. I manage holistically. I have 6 years off the needle 💉. I found art therapy and yes creativity helped me big time. I use art to learn to sit still and it calms me down. Diet and exercise has als helped big time! Spiritual practices also are a benefit.
One thing that helps is questioning my thoughts. My best definition for trauma labels is a physiological response to FEAR. Our bodies are constantly scanning it’s surroundings some of us are more sensitive so we feel more the power comes when we discern what is ours and what is being felt due to our surroundings. Coupled with beliefs it becomes difficult to understand what is happening.
From personal experience, It is the depression and mania that drives the DESIRE to express via poetry.
I suspect it’s a left/right brain irregularity underlying this and the manic/depressive preference for rhythm, rhyme and aspects that break strict and logical approaches to language and communication. At least for me that’s how it feels.
Back in 1994, Louis Sass wrote a book on the typic: Madness and Modernism: Insanity in the light of modern art, literature, and thought
pain have capability to harness and distribute intelligence and consiousness, bliss have capacity to receive and transform intelligence and consiousness
As a poet I can attest to the fact that wallowing in ones own self-pity is both great for writing and getting depressed.
I used to paint really well before meds.
-BD 1
I appreciate the last little tidbit. I never advocate for controlling peoples’ speech and I don’t get offended when I hear “she’s SO bipolar” 10 times a week. It’s a speech pattern people have learned. However as somebody who suffers greatly from some of the downsides of the disorder it hurts to hear. But most importantly I believe we could be saving young peoples’ lives if we could open up a safer way to talk about these things and identify these symptoms. It’s a million times harder to tell somebody you’re bipolar while their spouting off inaccurate terms or assumptions about the disease. If people had the basic education that they probably know multiple people living with this disease and what is actually happening to them they might help make life just a little more livable for others who don’t have the knowledge or resources or support that I have been blessed with.
I'd love to see a study on stand-up comedians. I suspect they'd be right up there with the poets.
@@MM-qg5xh They’re usually joking about something they have dealt with and there are a bunch of studies on how comedians use humor to cope with mental health issues. Think about robin Williams and Chris Farley who struggled with addiction and mental illness who ultimately killed themselves. Comedians have terrible demons. One of the studies I read is The Tears of a Clown: Understanding Comedy Writers. Highly recommend!
I always thought about that. One of my obssessions when I was manic was to try to make everyone laugh and I succeeded very often. I think people like Jim Carrey, Robin Williams and others sounds manic sometimes, so it is easier for a bipolar person to feel identified by that intensity and creativity to find associations to make you laugh. I would like them to carry out that study
I love your channel! I can't wait to catch up with your video from Monday! 😊
I’m a television show editor and got diagnosed with bipolar 20 years ago. I’m great at editing nominated for an Emmy PROBLEM is the mood swings and the difficulty dealing with high levels of stress. I can get too passionate about a project and it will throw me into mania- music does this to me also- and I can get really angry over small things especially technical issues (even though I work on a computer I’m not technically savvy) and when a show is unorganized or there’s no clear direction. That causes me to spin and get overwhelmed
I wish I could be as productive and energised as when I was manic. I studied architectural drafting and have worked with my hands as a cabinet and furniture maker most my adult life. I am on 150mg lamotrigine x 2 per day and heart meds after a heart attack. The meds have stunted my creativity. Yes, I agree they are related.
I believe that the most inexpensive and perhaps the best medicine in the world is words. Kind words … positive words … words that help people who feel ashamed of an invisible illness to overcome their shame and feel free.Lady Gaga
I am bipolar 1 and when I had my first manic episode, I started to speak in rhymes and write poetry, which I never did before. It's when my girlfriend and some friends told me it was really good, that I started to trust in myself, so I read the most famous poems. Mania has been a constant in my life, and when I am more elated, I write poetry and become creative. When I am depressed, I lose interest in everything and become boring and uncreative. So I don't know for certain if there is a correlation, but I do know that it applies to me.
When I was manic and admitted into a hospital I spent most of the time writing albums, poems, & I could freestyle really well. Something i can’t do on a normal day. I wish there was a way to bottle up certain traits of mania without the irritability, nonstop racing thoughts, & fast speech.
@@ADAJ3KINGANGEL I know what you mean. I stayed up all night improvising blues and at some point I saw every musical note in different colors floating in the air as I listened to piano music. I think it's called synesthesia and I lost it when I stared my medication. Now I need to balance creativity with mental peace, because it is difficult. I hope in the future they can improve medications, so that we can be exceptional artists without the madness associated with it.
When I was manic I also spoke in rhyme and was so smooth all the time just smooth talking ladies with it I also was creating extremely good music just absolute fire 🔥 and I was improving rapidly with learning new stuff about music which also aided in more substance for more crazy creative output. It was beautiful but shortly after I got hospitalised people thought I was acting weird and thought I wasn’t doing too well they weren’t looking at all the things that were going great and didn’t let me have no say. If I was a billionaire like Kanye I could just keep living like how I want to live but sadly that isn’t the case yet.
Kay Jamison notes this in her book on bipolar disorder and creativity... many people who've never voluntarily written a poem before will start writing poetry during their first manic episode. I did.
We experience the same exact symptoms
Touched With Fire by Kay Redfield Jamison, PhD is a good book on bipolar disorder and creativity. Personally, I am tempted to write poetry when I start becoming manic, but avoid it as it pushes me into a more manic state. I even wrote a poem about it 😋
i feel you brother. I stay away from hiphop often because my best stuff comes when i'm manic and then it makes me very manic .. creativity is tough because when manic its another level of genius and its addicting.. scary shit tho
This is describing me all too well yall
There's a book on this called Hypomanic Edge.
Sports are important for thinking creative people
not what i was looking for exactly associated not correlative is the save
barriers and walls drive everyone nuts and some people just seek to hit them
exercise reduces possiblity of neurotransmitter instability
i like the ocd take
obsessive tendency every military person should have them but like you said it doesnt mean you have old
Based on the book "Disordered Minds" [which u turned me onto]. The left/right hemisphere disconnect might be key to creativity. In his book he mentions :Hans Prinzhorn's Artistry of the Mentally Ill (1922): and uses Rousseau as the counter example. As laymen his statement: "the left _ right keep each other in check" interests us... at 4:27 your [mis]use the of the term `maladaptive`; not sure where that number (ordering comes from), but again referring to Kandels' book. many of these `traits` may originate via mutation rather than evolution.
I think the Kandels' or one of his disciples *jack bryne, scot small ... " might be good interview candidates. What topic ? let's see....
*wikipedia
I’ve been on Lithium 10 years now. And along with that, as well as the supplements you have recommended you have changed my life so much. The Vitamin B8 Inositol has helped amazingly. And to my relief all
The supplements you recommend are cost effective.
good to hear, do you have a list of the supplements by any chance
‘One pays dearly for their creativity’
There’s a paradoxical nature to the universe, vulnerable neurotic people are going to churn out better music than your average person
This is because they suffer, and the greatest artists suffer tremendously. You have to be manic and unhinged to get the feelings in-
And don’t listen to doctors or take bi-polar meds, be your true self,
I have schizoaffective bipolar type and I’m a songwriter!
Me too!
So going in to the profession of prostitution will be alright, as long as you do not write poetry about it. I wondered about this since I was eight.
The issue with the entertainment industry right now is the lack of bipolar representation, I think. It's why movies, music and video games have become creatively bankrupt, academic normies are running the show and stealing jobs from manic depressives. hahaha lmao.
1:53 even if you had depression in the military, you'd lie about it. A friend of mine in a psych test told that he misses his gf and they took away his gun. You want to be like everyone else.
I’m an artist! (Raises hand) I want you to know Dr. Huberman you have helped me so much with your videos.
I FF it to 2x but still not fast enough. Hh... I'm reading the CC by the way.
Ancient SNP’s and hominid admixture retained and labeled neurodiverse?
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I am a poet
My best poems are written in my depressed states. Soooo.. thank you depression ;)
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My last manic phase was caused by me having shingles and not realizing that's what the terrible pain was so not taking the correct pain meds for over a month. I became sleep deprived, dehydrated. Nothing relieved the pain except distraction, and nothing distracted me like talking about something exciting... hence I accidentally threw myself into a manic phase. Who knew? When you've got nothing else that works to relieve the pain of Shingles... a manic phase beats nothing at all.
So, so close to hitting the mark. Data is massively well represented but there’s a subjective and entirely human element that’s missing. Can’t quite word it but there’s something to be said for beauty in suffering