"It is the One Who let Himself spiritually be tortured to death by taking on Himself this human experience to give Himself and His Life to the human souls out of pure Charity Who is therefore experiencing this now."
The problem arises when the recognition is associated to a particular state of mind. Then we go around trying to reproduce this state. The ocean remains the ocean whatever is happening on its surface or within it.
WoW...No ordinary moments, then again it's all ordinary moments...In ''Know Thyself'' the Sufi mystic Balyani also said in referring to the Beloved -"you are the love with which I love thee"...I Am exemplified...WoW...Thanks for posting...!!!
I very much admire and appreciate Rupert's precise, technical description of the 'infrastructure' of the true nature of Reality. But, I sure wish we had a 'Norman Rockwell' of Self Realization who could describe, in everyday language, what it actually feels like to see and interact with this world from the perspective of "I AM" (or Awareness), as opposed to the perspective of the separate self.
All my life have sensed myself , it might be because I am aware of being a Spirit because I am Mediumistic, I feel the energy of the spirit world and know from experience the all is Eternall. You have contact the still small voice which is hidden.
I understand the concept of all this non duality stuff but somehow I still feel a deep sense of disatisfaction. Like a flatness I just can't seem to shake
real mckoy that’s because you see the knowledge but you don’t know how to integrate it to your being. That’s the challenge, the work. Many teachings to do this but you need a teacher to start you off if you really desire truth.
Conrad Ambrossi The teacher, or Guru of all gurus is inside. It is the Self. All one needs to do is abide with that love. Be earnest about it, and it will be more powerful than any teacher.
He begins speaking about our essential being. Rupert cannot simply get away with the fact that we are not our being but that our being is something other than us. We are not existence but have eccistence. Whereas awareness refers to itself as a thought, I is a thought that refers to itself, a thought, never to awareness. One cannot ever say I am awareness or I am God foe that very reason I gave. We are made of awareness but are not it. Being itself excludes thought, and so we cannot say we are being itself. We may say I experience being, or my being but what upholds me and not the same. God's being manifests itself in all living beings but nothing is God himself as He really is.
@@zain4019 would you say you have a limited being or existence? When you die, you stop having that existence, what is left? Not the idea of you or I, nothing but God, the totally other. If this is non duality, what a hopeless fate. This non dual reality called infinite consciousness is never alone,after death there is a new realm of appearances.
I like it when you just have Rupert's voice so I can fully concentrate on understanding his words, the people asking questions go on for too long and are for the most part annoying.
after 100's of hours of listening to this guy's stuff i 100% totally agree. i enter this awesome state then som1's annyoing voice ruins everything lol!
in depression there is no shining and nothing is necessary- it just is what is and that's that [at that transitory moment]; why would be necessary to discern the 'I am'?!
Because the I AM is pure peace, security, freedom. Imagine an iceberg. Your condition, may it be depression, is the conditions on top of this iceberg. It is objected to harsh weather, ice, cold winds, heavy snow. Very poor conditions, and everchanging - ever endangering. If the sun is shining, it gets too hot and fear of melting arises. Living on and as the top of the iceberg is difficult, humiliating, deliberating. Discerning the I AM is discerning the full size of the iceberg. Which leads to not suffering from the conditions on top of the iceberg but enjoying being the whole thing. Including its endlessly peaceful, and many times larger, underwater parts.Discerning the full size of the iceberg leads to realizing that even the edge of the ice is not an existing border,.The I AM, is part of the whole ocean, it is the ocean. Does the ocean suffer from the conditions on top one iceberg? Only if it thinks it is just the top of this one iceberg.Practice to "not think", practice to "feel".
not sure if you ever dealt with depression; perhaps sadness... each individual is different so i talk only about my experience. When in a situation like this there is no shining at all, any thought/image/idea [I am, icebergs, oceans,…] is unwelcome, nothing makes sense, everything makes you hurt, even physically. One simply doesn’t care about anything- it is like a heavy dark cloud in which ‘I’ is swallowed. Rupert’s perspective [that you appear to endorse] is that this is necessary to be fixed and the ‘tool’ to fill this necessity going to the ‘I am’. I suggest nothing needs to be fixed- there is no need to attempt to replace what is felt with another feeling. To do anything you need a person but the person is gone- only depression is so who is to do that?! Depression can stay, the lack of making sense of things can stay too- no need to change anything, simply do not resist the feeling just let come and let go because ‘go’ it must as any feeling/though does.
I have no experience with depression, so I cannot even imagine what it is like. The advice I have is based on my personal experience. I am sure it does not apply to everyone.Your description of depression is very touching. When you observe and explain your depression, who is it that is experiences you describing it? There is a part of you, not our person, not your depression, that is witnessing whatever is going on, e.g. you describing your depression. Maybe that part of you is not depressive upon closer examination…maybe that is the lower part of the iceberg, the ocean? Maybe you can Access that part of you, without any Need to change anything, but just to learn about yourself.
depression is not a life sentence, like anything else it is transitory so the one who described it was not depressed 4 days ago and such not the same person with the one who experienced depression. It is not the same thing to look at it like to an object of analysis or to be it. Theory and practice are two different things because in depression theory is irrelevant. 'I' does not come in parts, there is only one that experiences what is to be experienced at any given moment, be that depression or non-depression. In depression there is no 'I' and depression; everything is depression, 'I' included in it together with the immediate world perceived which consists of sensations and thoughts [where the 'lofty' ones such as 'I am the ocean, joy, bliss....' feel ridiculous/out of place and therefore are discarded as senseless...]. Outside depression, depression is just a concept no different than any other, including the lofty ones mentioned, that even if they make sense, they still remain what they are- concepts. All 'things' come and pass on their own, beyond my control so why try to hold onto one while getting rid of another?! Who is to do it anyway when even 'I' is seen as a concept?!
Try to find this entity we refer to as Rupert. Better yet, do it for yourself. Find that to which you refer when you say “I”. You say this is my body, these are my thoughts, my feelings- who are you referring to as “my”, or as I? You will never find it, because there is nothing. There is simply a bundle of thoughts and sensations we take to be our own, yet they simply appear and disappear. There is simply the real Self - the one who sees that, the thread and yarn of all, the only truth substratum of all of existence. That is what you are, that is what all is made, and that itself is “empty”- formless.
Sorry to have to disagree with Rupert Spira whom I normally admire for his deep insight. The unenlightened person is a product of ignorance and all it motivations are based on ignorance, whereas the enlightened human being is free from ignorance and therefore it is no longer responding to any desire or perceived need as they have all vanished into nothing. The enlightened being is no longer in need of any human relationship as it is complete in itself. So, there is a world of difference between the two.
I still need human relationship but I am not going to die without it or I am going to make it the focus of my happiness. But damn yes, I need friends and family and perhaps lovers too. Lol
intuitive self-love I don’t mean to barge in, but that is not true. You are the Self, and that Self is complete in itself. You do not need anything. You are all. You already have everything that could be had. Your peace is perfect, your joy is luminous. From this place of fulfilment, go out, now no longer in search of happiness, but sharing this infinite well of love that springs from within you.
“He knows himself by himself” 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I m the doer, the doing, the deed.
I m the knower, the knowing, the known.
God.
I dare.
🙏🏾❤️
"It is the One Who let Himself spiritually be tortured to death by taking on Himself this human experience
to give Himself and His Life to the human souls out of pure Charity
Who is therefore experiencing this now."
The problem arises when the recognition is associated to a particular state of mind. Then we go around trying to reproduce this state. The ocean remains the ocean whatever is happening on its surface or within it.
WoW...No ordinary moments, then again it's all ordinary moments...In ''Know Thyself'' the Sufi mystic Balyani also said in referring to the Beloved -"you are the love with which I love thee"...I Am exemplified...WoW...Thanks for posting...!!!
I very much admire and appreciate Rupert's precise, technical description of the 'infrastructure' of the true nature of Reality. But, I sure wish we had a 'Norman Rockwell' of Self Realization who could describe, in everyday language, what it actually feels like to see and interact with this world from the perspective of "I AM" (or Awareness), as opposed to the perspective of the separate self.
I find and discover many insights by observing children (before the age they construct the finite self)...
Excellent! But, of course, we're missing the before/after comparison.
Check out GP Walsh's channel. He resonates with me much more than Rupert. Rupert makes it all sound so dry IMO
Thanks. I have seen a few of his videos and enjoyed them.
@@bradstephan7886 - he also streams a live satsang once a week and you can ask questions which is great.
Thank you Rupert. Thinking may some are getting too equi-level spacious flat shamata , and need to learn to appreciate the bounce of arisings.
All my life have sensed myself , it might be because I am aware of being a Spirit because I am Mediumistic, I feel the energy of the spirit world and know from experience the all is Eternall. You have contact the still small voice which is hidden.
I understand the concept of all this non duality stuff but somehow I still feel a deep sense of disatisfaction. Like a flatness I just can't seem to shake
If you think you understand it, you don't, for it wont be understood by those who do, but understood by those who know they cant understand it.
I felt like this for a while, too. Check out Paul Hedderman. He unpacks it in a very clear and direct way.
Thanks Sunil for the thumbs up on Paul Hedderman. Had never heard of him. You're right - very clear and direct!
real mckoy that’s because you see the knowledge but you don’t know how to integrate it to your being. That’s the challenge, the work. Many teachings to do this but you need a teacher to start you off if you really desire truth.
Conrad Ambrossi
The teacher, or Guru of all gurus is inside. It is the Self. All one needs to do is abide with that love. Be earnest about it, and it will be more powerful than any teacher.
RS is a modern day Khirsnamurti 👏👏 💞😁
You can't compare them there nothing alike.
He begins speaking about our essential being. Rupert cannot simply get away with the fact that we are not our being but that our being is something other than us. We are not existence but have eccistence. Whereas awareness refers to itself as a thought, I is a thought that refers to itself, a thought, never to awareness. One cannot ever say I am awareness or I am God foe that very reason I gave. We are made of awareness but are not it. Being itself excludes thought, and so we cannot say we are being itself. We may say I experience being, or my being but what upholds me and not the same. God's being manifests itself in all living beings but nothing is God himself as He really is.
Ramana Maharishi said the same. The true Self in all selves alone is. That is the only Self.
@@zain4019 would you say you have a limited being or existence? When you die, you stop having that existence, what is left? Not the idea of you or I, nothing but God, the totally other. If this is non duality, what a hopeless fate. This non dual reality called infinite consciousness is never alone,after death there is a new realm of appearances.
I like it when you just have Rupert's voice so I can fully concentrate on understanding his words, the people asking questions go on for too long and are for the most part annoying.
after 100's of hours of listening to this guy's stuff i 100% totally agree. i enter this awesome state then som1's annyoing voice ruins everything lol!
Wahwah AhaAha Chamatkarik Vishmaypurnadhamyabad dhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad thanksgretitude dhanyabad wahwah ahaAha Rupertspira DhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad
Nice....that was some heavy unpacking to make context for a rather short perspective. ;>
in depression there is no shining and nothing is necessary- it just is what is and that's that [at that transitory moment]; why would be necessary to discern the 'I am'?!
Because the I AM is pure peace, security, freedom. Imagine an iceberg. Your condition, may it be depression, is the conditions on top of this iceberg. It is objected to harsh weather, ice, cold winds, heavy snow. Very poor conditions, and everchanging - ever endangering. If the sun is shining, it gets too hot and fear of melting arises. Living on and as the top of the iceberg is difficult, humiliating, deliberating. Discerning the I AM is discerning the full size of the iceberg. Which leads to not suffering from the conditions on top of the iceberg but enjoying being the whole thing. Including its endlessly peaceful, and many times larger, underwater parts.Discerning the full size of the iceberg leads to realizing that even the edge of the ice is not an existing border,.The I AM, is part of the whole ocean, it is the ocean.
Does the ocean suffer from the conditions on top one iceberg? Only if it thinks it is just the top of this one iceberg.Practice to "not think", practice to "feel".
not sure if you ever dealt with depression; perhaps sadness... each individual is different so i talk only about my experience. When in a situation like this there is no shining at all, any thought/image/idea [I am, icebergs, oceans,…] is unwelcome, nothing makes sense, everything makes you hurt, even physically. One simply doesn’t care about anything- it is like a heavy dark cloud in which ‘I’ is swallowed. Rupert’s perspective [that you appear to endorse] is that this is necessary to be fixed and the ‘tool’ to fill this necessity going to the ‘I am’. I suggest nothing needs to be fixed- there is no need to attempt to replace what is felt with another feeling. To do anything you need a person but the person is gone- only depression is so who is to do that?! Depression can stay, the lack of making sense of things can stay too- no need to change anything, simply do not resist the feeling just let come and let go because ‘go’ it must as any feeling/though does.
I have no experience with depression, so I cannot even imagine what it is like. The advice I have is based on my personal experience. I am sure it does not apply to everyone.Your description of depression is very touching. When you observe and explain your depression, who is it that is experiences you describing it? There is a part of you, not our person, not your depression, that is witnessing whatever is going on, e.g. you describing your depression. Maybe that part of you is not depressive upon closer examination…maybe that is the lower part of the iceberg, the ocean? Maybe you can Access that part of you, without any Need to change anything, but just to learn about yourself.
depression is not a life sentence, like anything else it is transitory so the one who described it was not depressed 4 days ago and such not the same person with the one who experienced depression. It is not the same thing to look at it like to an object of analysis or to be it. Theory and practice are two different things because in depression theory is irrelevant.
'I' does not come in parts, there is only one that experiences what is to be experienced at any given moment, be that depression or non-depression. In depression there is no 'I' and depression; everything is depression, 'I' included in it together with the immediate world perceived which consists of sensations and thoughts [where the 'lofty' ones such as 'I am the ocean, joy, bliss....' feel ridiculous/out of place and therefore are discarded as senseless...]. Outside depression, depression is just a concept no different than any other, including the lofty ones mentioned, that even if they make sense, they still remain what they are- concepts. All 'things' come and pass on their own, beyond my control so why try to hold onto one while getting rid of another?! Who is to do it anyway when even 'I' is seen as a concept?!
I am the love letter God sent to himself.
I AM EU SOU!
if the world is empty, who is sitting there married?
The "person" consciousness is experiencing.
So Rupert would say that Rupert is married but he is not Rupert but PRIOR to Rupert. And there is no Rupert talking. Good stuff.
Try to find this entity we refer to as Rupert.
Better yet, do it for yourself. Find that to which you refer when you say “I”. You say this is my body, these are my thoughts, my feelings- who are you referring to as “my”, or as I? You will never find it, because there is nothing. There is simply a bundle of thoughts and sensations we take to be our own, yet they simply appear and disappear.
There is simply the real Self - the one who sees that, the thread and yarn of all, the only truth substratum of all of existence. That is what you are, that is what all is made, and that itself is “empty”- formless.
Sorry to have to disagree with Rupert Spira whom I normally admire for his deep insight. The unenlightened person is a product of ignorance and all it motivations are based on ignorance, whereas the enlightened human being is free from ignorance and therefore it is no longer responding to any desire or perceived need as they have all vanished into nothing. The enlightened being is no longer in need of any human relationship as it is complete in itself. So, there is a world of difference between the two.
All Rupert is saying is that knowing our essential nature is not extraordinary, and available 24/7 to everyone.
I still need human relationship but I am not going to die without it or I am going to make it the focus of my happiness. But damn yes, I need friends and family and perhaps lovers too. Lol
intuitive self-love
I don’t mean to barge in, but that is not true.
You are the Self, and that Self is complete in itself. You do not need anything. You are all. You already have everything that could be had. Your peace is perfect, your joy is luminous. From this place of fulfilment, go out, now no longer in search of happiness, but sharing this infinite well of love that springs from within you.
Being infinite, non-objective consciousness, it will never be measured, proven, or disproven by science. So you can put down your glasses haha