Thanks Kevin. The nice long swells are a joy to sail in. Short sharp wind generated waves or wind against tide waves not so nice, the lugger at 18ft is a bit short!
@@martinmcfarlane2826 Hi Martin, With the plate fully in the Centre Plate (CP) housing the draft is approx. 0.25m, fully down it is approx. 1.25m. I guess with it half down, as I have it in the video, the draft will be approximately 0.75m, with the CP protruding about 0.5m below the bottom of the boat. With the CP half way down it is below the depth of the rudder so gives it some "protection" and certainly an indication if you are in shallow water!
Lovely to see. I have sailed Drascombes, loggers and longboats. I have owned and raced flying fifteens world championship level. I have a 38ft sailing yacht now. Unfortunately I have had to rescue a capsized drascombe crew who were on the verge of exhaustion and hypothermia. Worse still, my mothers friend died when he and two others of his crew capsized Drascombe lugger. The righted her once but in the sea and swell could not get the water out, as the centreboard case is well below the swamped waterline and they are extremely tender when swamped after a capsize. Message is DONT capsize. Off course in any dinghy this is never a certainty. Drascombes perhaps give many, even moderately experienced sailors the impression of stoutness and therefore seaworthiness, this in my view is far from the case. Give me a flying fifteen, with its four compartment buoyancy any day, a joy to sail and yes cruise.
Hi John, Thanks for watching. Yes, the sea must always be treated with respect, especially in an “open” boat. I’ve also owned/sailed modern dinghies (Musto Skiff, Blaze) where breaking waves washed over the boat (in one end and out he other!) and pitch poles were common occurrences and didn’t cause concern, but also there were instances of gear failure; I only sailed with adequate safety cover provided by sailing club RIBs. Now I sail alone, with a great respect for the sea, knowing that in an open boat I am at risk should the boat capsize. Sailing is a continuous risk assessment - wind, waves, tide, location (wind/wave impact, safe haven), forecast(s), boat type/condition, crew experience to name a few (well most of!), all to be assessed. Like your flying fifteen, my Drascombe Lugger is also a joy to sail, to take the grand-kids out in, do a spot of fishing, row/motor when the wind dies and yes I also cruise the west coast of Scotland camping aboard. Each to his own I guess.
Wow! That was a warning that cannot be ignored. Maybe a drascombe sailor might give a demonstration of how to recover a lugger from a capsize.... (you've burst my bubble)
Like I'm in the boat with you! Thanks. Open boats are underrated by those who don't know them. My problem is, I can't work out if I'm jealous, or happy, that I can't feel how cold that water is!
Yes it was. But some of the others aren't! I haven't sailed her in a while, but I still have a Bolger Cartopper, open boat, 11.5 feet. I've always been amazed at how dry she sailed, even upwind in a stiff breeze...unless I had someone else with me! The extra weight made a big difference, especially upwind. @steveporteous3157 @@steveporteous3157
Hi Dave, Nothing concerning - if there was, the GoPro would have been dropped! It was a fairly long swell developed by the previous days' winds. The were some small cresting waves that gave a few splashes into the boat. I'd say the wind speed was about 10 - 14 knots. The main was cleated off (no locking turn!) and de-powered with one hand free for the tiller. There actually wasn't much surfing down wind - I think the swell was too long, it would have needed to be shorter and steeper for good surfing conditions.
Great videos Steve, would be great to here some commentary from you , I know that it’s not the easiest to do but may be you could do some voice over stuff first until you find your way with it. Great work though I will look forward to see your next one👍🏻
Thanks Pez. Yes I did think about it but there’s not really much to say on this one. Part of my enjoyment of sailing is the peace, quiet and time to think!
@@steveporteous3157 Fair enough can’t argue with that. I enjoy Roger Barnes Chanel, I expect you have seen it. I am new to sailing and have just got a wanderer and am look for inspiration and knowledge to start my cruising adventure 👍🏻
Thanks for watching Steven. Yes, it sails well in the long swell / waves. Was out yesterday when it was a bit windier and there was a short chop - very wet so only stayed out for 1/2 hr or so!
Hi Mike, The Drascombe Lugger is an open boat with a steel centre-plate. Whilst quite "stable", it could be overwhelmed by large breaking waves, or if hit by a large gust of wind and the helm / crew didn't act appropriately. I'd say to stay out of any strong wind against tide situations that generate large step waves.
Hi Roger, I started using a mizzen boom because the bumkin was bit of a pain in the neck when manoeuvring / berthing at close quarters, or in a tight anchorage / mooring, or when it just rattles about when the mizzen is flapping. Yes you can pull the bumkin in but it takes up deck space that I use when camping aboard making stowage more difficult. Holding the boom to one side or the other can turn the boat or make it goes backwards (in the right conditions). To roll the mizzen away I just fold the boom up to the mizzen mast, roll the sail around itself and tie to the mast along with the boom. If necessary the boom can be easily removed. All my mods I try to make reversible.
Hi Pablo, Well spotted and good question! Several reasons: 1. The top of my centre-plate (CP) housing is open and I have a removable cap to stop splashes of water coming in. If the CP goes down any further than shown in the video, then the cap needs to be lifted, the CP is lowered and the cap replaced with the horn of the CP in a hole I cut out in the cap. To stop water coming in the front of the CP housing I have another “plug” that slots into the hole. All this is a bit time consuming and if I only put the CP half way down it is a lot easier. Although in the video the sea conditions looks “rough”, in actual fact very little water was coming in the front of the CP housing and the plug was not installed. 2. A personal feeling. With the CP all the way down there is quite a lot of “slop” and the CP moves around, even with a wedge installed at the CP “horn”. I’m sure this must cause wear on the pivot pin. There is also quite a lot of force on the CP when it is fully down and I feel the CP housing is not the strongest of items. With the CP only half way down the “slop” is reduced, the lever arm for the forces is reduced and I feel the CP housing is less stressed. I have a Mk1 lugger and the CP housing is visible. The wall thickness is quite thin and it can be seen flexing (or felt with your feet!) as waves pass by. 3. I don’t think the difference between where I have the CP and fully down makes much difference to windward performance. It also doesn’t appear to affect the “balance” of the boat much, so the helm remains light. Theoretically it should make a difference but I think that is easily cancelled out by sail trim (mainly mizzen). 4. Last one - if out in large swells / waves the boat does get thrown around a bit. Part is the cyclical movement of the water as a swell passes and part is the wave force of a breaking crest. Whatever it is, I think having the CP half down reduces the forces and stress on the boat and also allows it to move with the waves rather than trying to “hold position”. Best regards, Steve
@@steveporteous3157 Dear Steve, Thank you for your explanation, I have observed the same daggerboard movement problem in full down position and it is really worrying to hear and feel the daggerboard movements. I will follow your advice. ------- It is also surprising that the base of the mainmast is not in the bottom of the hull but in reinforced wood at deck level. -------- Abusing your kindness, I ask you if putting a mizzen boom improves the trim of the sail and how you manage to lower the sail. ---- I bought a Drascombe Lugger last fall and I sail in Ria de Ribadeo in Spain. The ship was very old and water was coming in. This year I am in the port of Tapia de Casariego (Spain) and it is very reminiscent of Stonehaven. Sorry, I don't know English and I use google translate
@@Pabloamandi Hi Pablo, No problem, I always enjoy discussing Drascombes! The mast tabernacle makes raising and lowering the mast very easy. To lower the mast just remove the pin from the forestay / furling drum and pivot the mast back until it lands in a mast crutch in the mizzen mast hole. No need to slacken off shrouds. To raise just do the opposite. I started using a mizzen boom because the bumkin was bit of a pain in the neck when manoeuvring at close quarters, in a tight anchorage / mooring or when it just rattles about when the mizzen is flapping. Yes you can pull the bumkin in but it takes up deck space that I use when camping aboard. Not sure if it improves sail trim up wind but it certainly catches more wind on a reach or downwind, but probably doesn’t increase the speed! You can hold the boom to stop the boat or make it goes backwards. To roll the sail away I just fold the boom up to the mizzen mast, roll the sail around itself and tie to the mast along with the boom. I did try a boom on the mainsail but took it off because after risk assessing I felt the risk of things going wrong, potentially leading to a capsize, greatly exceeded any benefit. Gybing the loose footed main is a lot safer without the boom and dropping the sail into the boat in a hurry (emergency) is also easier/safer without the boom. Basically I feel the boat is safer without the main boom - see above conversation with John. I hope you’ve got the water problem with your boat sorted. PS I hope my English (Scots) gets translated to Spanish without too many problems!
Sailing a different dinghies Over the years I used full centre board less often than before. Just seemed a better sail and to be honest I was just enjoying sailing rather than racing to a mark. A second chunter from me is the video shows really well the bum clench going into the wind compared to going downwind. I hear “ the wind got up” quite often when it I don’t think it did. Heading upwind first if you’re on a round trip is good! Lovely views and sailing 👍
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Great video Steve - amazing how well the boat took the swell
Thanks Kevin. The nice long swells are a joy to sail in. Short sharp wind generated waves or wind against tide waves not so nice, the lugger at 18ft is a bit short!
Thank you for this video of the navigation on board lugger in open sea conditions
I hope you enjoyed it Pablo.
Thanks for posting this. Fairly lumpy swell!
What depth is your dagger board btw?
@@martinmcfarlane2826 Hi Martin, With the plate fully in the Centre Plate (CP) housing the draft is approx. 0.25m, fully down it is approx. 1.25m. I guess with it half down, as I have it in the video, the draft will be approximately 0.75m, with the CP protruding about 0.5m below the bottom of the boat. With the CP half way down it is below the depth of the rudder so gives it some "protection" and certainly an indication if you are in shallow water!
That was great, looked like fun. Green with envy Cheers.
Thanks. Better green with envy than with "mal de mer"!
First time here subscribed and liked 👍.
Loved the video just pure sailing no music no gimmicks absolutely awesome 👌👍👏🏆💯🥰
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the video Steve. I enjoyed going along for the ride. It looks like you were having fun out there. Can't wait for your next excursion!
Thanks Jim.
Lovely to see. I have sailed Drascombes, loggers and longboats. I have owned and raced flying fifteens world championship level. I have a 38ft sailing yacht now. Unfortunately I have had to rescue a capsized drascombe crew who were on the verge of exhaustion and hypothermia. Worse still, my mothers friend died when he and two others of his crew capsized Drascombe lugger. The righted her once but in the sea and swell could not get the water out, as the centreboard case is well below the swamped waterline and they are extremely tender when swamped after a capsize. Message is DONT capsize. Off course in any dinghy this is never a certainty. Drascombes perhaps give many, even moderately experienced sailors the impression of stoutness and therefore seaworthiness, this in my view is far from the case. Give me a flying fifteen, with its four compartment buoyancy any day, a joy to sail and yes cruise.
Hi John,
Thanks for watching. Yes, the sea must always be treated with respect, especially in an “open” boat. I’ve also owned/sailed modern dinghies (Musto Skiff, Blaze) where breaking waves washed over the boat (in one end and out he other!) and pitch poles were common occurrences and didn’t cause concern, but also there were instances of gear failure; I only sailed with adequate safety cover provided by sailing club RIBs. Now I sail alone, with a great respect for the sea, knowing that in an open boat I am at risk should the boat capsize. Sailing is a continuous risk assessment - wind, waves, tide, location (wind/wave impact, safe haven), forecast(s), boat type/condition, crew experience to name a few (well most of!), all to be assessed.
Like your flying fifteen, my Drascombe Lugger is also a joy to sail, to take the grand-kids out in, do a spot of fishing, row/motor when the wind dies and yes I also cruise the west coast of Scotland camping aboard. Each to his own I guess.
Wow! That was a warning that cannot be ignored.
Maybe a drascombe sailor might give a demonstration of how to recover a lugger from a capsize.... (you've burst my bubble)
Like I'm in the boat with you! Thanks. Open boats are underrated by those who don't know them. My problem is, I can't work out if I'm jealous, or happy, that I can't feel how cold that water is!
Hi John, I think that was quite a dry sail - no cold water showers!
Yes it was. But some of the others aren't! I haven't sailed her in a while, but I still have a Bolger Cartopper, open boat, 11.5 feet. I've always been amazed at how dry she sailed, even upwind in a stiff breeze...unless I had someone else with me! The extra weight made a big difference, especially upwind. @steveporteous3157 @@steveporteous3157
Thanks for taking us along, enjoyed all five and half mins of that :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice to see your Lugger out in a bit of sea and doing just fine..as we would expect. Nice viewing
Thanks Neil.
Well I clearly love my "Slow TV" then!!
Some big rollers there, were you concerned at any point during the sail? The boat hardly seemed to care!!
Hi Dave,
Nothing concerning - if there was, the GoPro would have been dropped!
It was a fairly long swell developed by the previous days' winds. The were some small cresting waves that gave a few splashes into the boat. I'd say the wind speed was about 10 - 14 knots. The main was cleated off (no locking turn!) and de-powered with one hand free for the tiller. There actually wasn't much surfing down wind - I think the swell was too long, it would have needed to be shorter and steeper for good surfing conditions.
Great videos Steve, would be great to here some commentary from you , I know that it’s not the easiest to do but may be you could do some voice over stuff first until you find your way with it. Great work though I will look forward to see your next one👍🏻
Thanks Pez. Yes I did think about it but there’s not really much to say on this one. Part of my enjoyment of sailing is the peace, quiet and time to think!
@@steveporteous3157 Fair enough can’t argue with that. I enjoy Roger Barnes Chanel, I expect you have seen it. I am new to sailing and have just got a wanderer and am look for inspiration and knowledge to start my cruising adventure 👍🏻
Looks like your lugger handles rough sea with ease,
Thanks for watching Steven. Yes, it sails well in the long swell / waves. Was out yesterday when it was a bit windier and there was a short chop - very wet so only stayed out for 1/2 hr or so!
Nice video
Thanks
Just how stable is the Lugger in rough seas?
Hi Mike,
The Drascombe Lugger is an open boat with a steel centre-plate. Whilst quite "stable", it could be overwhelmed by large breaking waves, or if hit by a large gust of wind and the helm / crew didn't act appropriately. I'd say to stay out of any strong wind against tide situations that generate large step waves.
I love it !
Thanks Kim
I'm intrigued by the boom you have on the mizzen rather than using the boomkin.
Hi Roger,
I started using a mizzen boom because the bumkin was bit of a pain in the neck when manoeuvring / berthing at close quarters, or in a tight anchorage / mooring, or when it just rattles about when the mizzen is flapping. Yes you can pull the bumkin in but it takes up deck space that I use when camping aboard making stowage more difficult. Holding the boom to one side or the other can turn the boat or make it goes backwards (in the right conditions). To roll the mizzen away I just fold the boom up to the mizzen mast, roll the sail around itself and tie to the mast along with the boom. If necessary the boom can be easily removed. All my mods I try to make reversible.
Why didn't you fully lower the draggerboard?
Thanks for responding!
Hi Pablo,
Well spotted and good question!
Several reasons:
1. The top of my centre-plate (CP) housing is open and I have a removable cap to stop splashes of water coming in. If the CP goes down any further than shown in the video, then the cap needs to be lifted, the CP is lowered and the cap replaced with the horn of the CP in a hole I cut out in the cap. To stop water coming in the front of the CP housing I have another “plug” that slots into the hole. All this is a bit time consuming and if I only put the CP half way down it is a lot easier. Although in the video the sea conditions looks “rough”, in actual fact very little water was coming in the front of the CP housing and the plug was not installed.
2. A personal feeling. With the CP all the way down there is quite a lot of “slop” and the CP moves around, even with a wedge installed at the CP “horn”. I’m sure this must cause wear on the pivot pin. There is also quite a lot of force on the CP when it is fully down and I feel the CP housing is not the strongest of items. With the CP only half way down the “slop” is reduced, the lever arm for the forces is reduced and I feel the CP housing is less stressed. I have a Mk1 lugger and the CP housing is visible. The wall thickness is quite thin and it can be seen flexing (or felt with your feet!) as waves pass by.
3. I don’t think the difference between where I have the CP and fully down makes much difference to windward performance. It also doesn’t appear to affect the “balance” of the boat much, so the helm remains light. Theoretically it should make a difference but I think that is easily cancelled out by sail trim (mainly mizzen).
4. Last one - if out in large swells / waves the boat does get thrown around a bit. Part is the cyclical movement of the water as a swell passes and part is the wave force of a breaking crest. Whatever it is, I think having the CP half down reduces the forces and stress on the boat and also allows it to move with the waves rather than trying to “hold position”.
Best regards,
Steve
@@steveporteous3157 Dear Steve,
Thank you for your explanation, I have observed the same daggerboard movement problem in full down position and it is really worrying to hear and feel the daggerboard movements. I will follow your advice.
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It is also surprising that the base of the mainmast is not in the bottom of the hull but in reinforced wood at deck level.
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Abusing your kindness, I ask you if putting a mizzen boom improves the trim of the sail and how you manage to lower the sail.
----
I bought a Drascombe Lugger last fall and I sail in Ria de Ribadeo in Spain. The ship was very old and water was coming in. This year I am in the port of Tapia de Casariego (Spain) and it is very reminiscent of Stonehaven.
Sorry, I don't know English and I use google translate
@@Pabloamandi Hi Pablo,
No problem, I always enjoy discussing Drascombes!
The mast tabernacle makes raising and lowering the mast very easy. To lower the mast just remove the pin from the forestay / furling drum and pivot the mast back until it lands in a mast crutch in the mizzen mast hole. No need to slacken off shrouds. To raise just do the opposite.
I started using a mizzen boom because the bumkin was bit of a pain in the neck when manoeuvring at close quarters, in a tight anchorage / mooring or when it just rattles about when the mizzen is flapping. Yes you can pull the bumkin in but it takes up deck space that I use when camping aboard. Not sure if it improves sail trim up wind but it certainly catches more wind on a reach or downwind, but probably doesn’t increase the speed! You can hold the boom to stop the boat or make it goes backwards. To roll the sail away I just fold the boom up to the mizzen mast, roll the sail around itself and tie to the mast along with the boom.
I did try a boom on the mainsail but took it off because after risk assessing I felt the risk of things going wrong, potentially leading to a capsize, greatly exceeded any benefit. Gybing the loose footed main is a lot safer without the boom and dropping the sail into the boat in a hurry (emergency) is also easier/safer without the boom. Basically I feel the boat is safer without the main boom - see above conversation with John.
I hope you’ve got the water problem with your boat sorted.
PS I hope my English (Scots) gets translated to Spanish without too many problems!
Sailing a different dinghies Over the years I used full centre board less often than before. Just seemed a better sail and to be honest I was just enjoying sailing rather than racing to a mark. A second chunter from me is the video shows really well the bum clench going into the wind compared to going downwind. I hear “ the wind got up” quite often when it I don’t think it did. Heading upwind first if you’re on a round trip is good! Lovely views and sailing 👍
steve u can get basebal caps with in built go pro mounts for just over £10 then u can go hands free nice foootage
Must admit to having one of those head band ones - but always seems to get left ashore. Usually I just attach the GoPro to the mizzen mast.