This is a really fun test. We are trying a new product, and I can’t wait to see how it works! Keep watching til the end to find out how it all ends up!
Informative…thank you! Farmers chisel plow to break up the hard pan. Because the two brands of chisels wear at significantly different rates, you have to wonder if you are reaching the hard pan with a 5” chisel.
As an engineer (retired) I always like testing videos like this. Good job! I also like it when you include your family. They always add a different perspective to what you are doing.
As I have mentioned previously, your channel is always one of the most informative. I always learn something from watching your videos and you can’t put a price on that. Well done and keep doing what you’re doing.
I like that you talk about things that never cross my mind, especially as it's about farming. So few people understand how food gets to their tables. I also like the thought you put into these comparison "experiments". Thank you.
I always like an unbiased comparison of things. I’ll probably never have that big of a chisel plow but glad to see it work and be compared. Always enjoy your videos. God bless
Thanks Brian. It doesn’t matter the size or age or the equipment. If you hang around long enough you will see the older smaller equipment we use to make our hay crop. Have a great thanksgiving!
I certainly like these comparison videos, Carl. I feel like I'm getting an education, and it's really a great thing to help show us non-farmers what goes into farming effectively and efficiently. "Plow On".
Great video I enjoy seeing you guys test new stuff I can’t believe someone hasnt come up with heavier shoes for a chisel plow by now those were very impressive
Hey.. pretty new here, but i love the tests. Watching the processes and machinery is brilliant, but the tests give an extra insight into how all this stuff really works.. Thanks!
When not driving the gain cart or combine, I chisel on my cousin's farm. So relaxing but you still have to be constantly aware of the equipment and how it is working. Can't image driving day after day WITHOUT GPS!! Really enjoy the comparison vids. I pass a lot of what I see here onto my cousin. Keep em coming!!!!
Another great video, we use cast iron tips/shears on our tillage equipment and I always found that it paid to use the more expensive wear points , but like you did in video , sometimes they break where the regular ones don't. The labor in changing is worth to us, stopping and changing worn out teeth is a pain, when your working against the weather.
On the type of shovels we use here in Danmark (Kongskilde and others)we often put on 310 mm (1 foot) wingtips so we get full cut first time harrowing/chisel plowing,and its possible to buy special welding rods that make shoveltips very hard if welded around edges.Your own test shows that you can weld a rod made of tentor steel diagonally to your shovel and save money and time waiting for that company to get started.I use a 10 meter Kongskilde stub harrow with 40 chisels that are made of spring steel themselves,so No additional springs,and its pulled by a MF 9240 with 250 hp s,and never used the 4 wheel drive yet,allways with wing type!Thanks for vid.
I am sure you know this. When comparing the two shovels, remember that time is money. Taking a few hours to change them out every several hundred acres will make a big difference. I would hazard a guess that the rib is a stiffener and adds to the ability of the shovel to maintain the correct angle. Whereas the current shovels are much thinner and probably, flex when they are plowing. That flex will increase wear and tear. I do enjoy any of your experiments and tests. Tractor, implements and parts are all important. I am hoping that the many of us that are not farmers but are engaged in other trades suchas electronics and engineering may get inspired by the things that make the farming what it is. Thanks for the video's!!!
Thanks Roger! You make an excellent point here. That down time is costly. Especially in bad years where we can’t quite get done before the ground freezes up.
Looks like both corn and pretty girls grow well in your part of the world. Nice trial with the shovels, that is such a big difference. I really liked the drone shots, it gives such a neat perspective.
What ever helps with downtime vs cost is always what you have to look at. Not just the labor time, but the down time from the field. The shovel seemed to break at the stiffening strut so they might have a problem with heat treating. It is hard to balance flexibility with hardness. Interesting test.
We did the same with Dutch openers for our air drill. Went from changing all 48 of them 2 times a season to getting a season and a half out of them. The aftermarket ones are even cheaper than the Dutch brand too, everybody loves saving time and money.
You are helping the manufacturer find his weak points and making improvements. When he hits the market, he will have a proven product, thanks to you. 2 shovels is not much of a saving to you now, but when you can use the final product, it seems like it will be a worthwhile upgrade. I hope it works out to your advantage.
I really love the testing/comparison videos, I find them incredibly interesting. Quick question though, The closest I've ever come to farming is when I play Farming Simulator 17, but the question is... Does using a chisel plow do the same thing as using a cultivator? Is it just different terminology for the same implement?
Thanks for the spelling update. I hope you continue the comparison videos, but I would also be interested in a video about the planning for your chemical/fertilizer plan for the upcoming year.
Wow. I like the Agri tuff chisel plow points. I wonder what type of steel they made them from? It sounds like it will be well worth getting. That one shovel that broke must have hit a huge rock. I like testing videos especially when testing some great products for agricultural purposes. Great video.
Interesting test. On first impression it appears to be a win win situation. More durability and less labor. In regard to the break, the temper of the steel on the new shovels could be different and harder carbon steel. It may require a longer testing period to see if you have additional breaks. Of course you will have to consider cost factors also. I have no doubt you will make the right decision
I chose the worst trade of them all (drywaller) so who am I to say whether or not others would like more testing videos but for me... I love head to head comparisons... they make life easier when it comes to choosing a direction... thanks for all your efforts !
Yes I just got a new drone. It’s the dji mavic air 2. I really like it. My first one was the mavic air and I liked it too but this one is a pretty big upgrade in battery life and stability in wind.
Very useful comparison in a realistic and practical test. However how have the heads of the bolts stood up to lasting longer? I have seen circumstances where longer lasting points / wear tips last very well but the bolt heads melt away real quick to the point where if the worn bolts are not replaced the long life point is lost when in work as the bolts simply wear away too fast.
We had the chance to try some shovels that were almost twice as thick as the OEM shovels we were using. We put 3 of them on and in 3 days all of them broke. Not such a good deal.
The first time I used a power wrench to change shovels I made the mistake of trying to hold the spinning bolt head with my fingers. The bolt heads on plow lays or shovels get really sharp as they wear.
Aye that was a good enough test: from my perspective, though , How DEEP were you chiselling and what speed? Liked the Idea of the Hexbolts too: those plowbolts are way too expensive for what they are 12.9 bolts bought in bulk are cheaper than any ploughbolt. Hah, is the issue the Bolt, the thicker shovel or the quality of the steel in the share? End of day it isTIME and cost per Acre - like the idea of lasting 2years in your case.
Congratulations! good idea! My question: in Europe, 250 rounds of machines are widespread in Europe! How many meters wide do you need such a tillage blue machine !? Are there any smaller ones like this ?? The old conser till machines are taken slő a couple .... because there is no similar production! Horsch terrano does very much such a great job !! and not even suitable for such deep work! really how deep did you pull this video! ?? If soybeans are sown in the corn stubble in the spring, is that the depth ? Paul Hungary
using your current points you are adding iron to the blocks, do you think this added iron is making a difference to crop yields?. I like how the new points worked. You will save a significant amount of time not having to stop and flip or change your current points. hope the price point on the new points is economic
I don’t really think there is any difference in performance. The real different is longevity. With that being said, uniform depth of tillage is important, and the fast wearing shovels wear at different rates based on where they are mounted. So it would, in theory, do a more uniform job over the season as well.
Carl. Please inform the rep they should lengthen the enforcement/support rods in the agri tough chisels to the very edge. My opinion and not a criticism. As always and with every clip I really enjoyed this one too. Take care & thanks for sharing. Cheers.
Any way to measure the load on the tongue of the tractor of those new chisels? Just looking at it, it might appear that there might more drag particularly in stickier soils. More drag would translate to higher fuel consumption. My comment is based on intuition only. Pricing might be a big factor in whether they are worth it. Do you carry spares in the tractor if any break in the field? Since you go through alot of metal stuff do you have a scrap bin for worn or broken steel? Not sure what scrap iron prices are by you but over time it might be a few bucks if you did not have to go out of your way.
Yeah I was wondering about the drag as well. I can’t think of a good way to measure that though. Maybe work a field every other pass and then switch to the other kind of shovels and work the remaining passes and compare fuel consumption. We do carry spares. We have a scrap yard about ten miles away but the price is very low at the current time.
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 With all the fancy monitors on the modern tractor, I am surprised there is no way to measure the load on the hitch. Might one guess for load might be the difference between the wheel speed and the GPS speed? The tech is probably out there but not worthy of the investment. Scrap is low here too. At least you have the option to put it aside somewhere to await higher prices.
If you changed all of the chisels with the new agritoughs one of 2 things would happen; 1, you would get the front wheels off the ground or 2 the JD would not pull it :) Sorry Carl....couldn't help myself lol.
I was going to ask the same thing if a full set would pull harder. More fuel consumption, wheel slippage, need to pull in a lower gear so it takes longer to cover the same amount of ground.
Informative…thank you! Farmers chisel plow to break up the hard pan. Because the two brands of chisels wear at significantly different rates, you have to wonder if you are reaching the hard pan with a 5” chisel.
Great video.No one else shows this kind of details. Thanks
Thanks a lot Charles!
great test, Carl ....and I am not even a farmer, but do like riding along
Thanks Steve!
Yes, please do more of these. I was highly impressed with the new shovels and I'd love to see what comes of it next fall if you put all thirteen on.
Thanks Sean! It looks like that may be happening 👍
Glad Mrs. Dodge is happy with the new tractor. The test videos are great, too.
Haha yeah she’s hooked now 👍
Great video, You've helped me understand more about farming than I ever knew before. Keep up the good work. I like the testing you've done.
Thanks Marshall!
As an engineer (retired) I always like testing videos like this. Good job!
I also like it when you include your family. They always add a different perspective to what you are doing.
Thanks David!
As I have mentioned previously, your channel is always one of the most informative. I always learn something from watching your videos and you can’t put a price on that. Well done and keep doing what you’re doing.
Thanks Paul!
I like that you talk about things that never cross my mind, especially as it's about farming. So few people understand how food gets to their tables. I also like the thought you put into these comparison "experiments". Thank you.
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback 👍👍
Great video Karl. Really enjoyed the “test” comparison. You’ve also got a fabulous tractor operator!
Isn’t she great??
Definitely more comparison videos. I’m probably not even a hobby farm level,but I find it fascinating!
Thanks Eric. I like it too.
I always like an unbiased comparison of things. I’ll probably never have that big of a chisel plow but glad to see it work and be compared. Always enjoy your videos. God bless
Thanks Brian. It doesn’t matter the size or age or the equipment. If you hang around long enough you will see the older smaller equipment we use to make our hay crop. Have a great thanksgiving!
I certainly like these comparison videos, Carl. I feel like I'm getting an education, and it's really a great thing to help show us non-farmers what goes into farming effectively and efficiently. "Plow On".
Thanks Dave 👍💪
Great video I enjoy seeing you guys test new stuff I can’t believe someone hasnt come up with heavier shoes for a chisel plow by now those were very impressive
Thanks I agree!
I think it is a great idea of testing products. Keep up the great farming videos.
Testing stuff is probably the best way to learn new techniques. Very interesting video.
Thanks James!
Hey.. pretty new here, but i love the tests. Watching the processes and machinery is brilliant, but the tests give an extra insight into how all this stuff really works.. Thanks!
Thanks!
I’ve come to expect informative video from you
Carl and you didn’t disappoint...as always.
Thanks Curt!
You guys should start up a auto manufacturing company. You’ll have the right name! I enjoyed your video.
Love the test videos. Keep em coming.
Good! Will be doing another tillage test this fall!
When not driving the gain cart or combine, I chisel on my cousin's farm. So relaxing but you still have to be constantly aware of the equipment and how it is working. Can't image driving day after day WITHOUT GPS!! Really enjoy the comparison vids. I pass a lot of what I see here onto my cousin. Keep em coming!!!!
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These testing videos are great to watch and informative.
Thanks Daniel
Yes more testing videos. They are awesome
Thanks mike! I’ll see if I can round up more things to test 👍
Another great video, we use cast iron tips/shears on our tillage equipment and I always found that it paid to use the more expensive wear points , but like you did in video , sometimes they break where the regular ones don't. The labor in changing is worth to us, stopping and changing worn out teeth is a pain, when your working against the weather.
I totally agree!
On the type of shovels we use here in Danmark (Kongskilde and others)we often put on 310 mm (1 foot) wingtips so we get full cut first time harrowing/chisel plowing,and its possible to buy special welding rods that make shoveltips very hard if welded around edges.Your own test shows that you can weld a rod made of tentor steel diagonally to your shovel and save money and time waiting for that company to get started.I use a 10 meter Kongskilde stub harrow with 40 chisels that are made of spring steel themselves,so No additional springs,and its pulled by a MF 9240 with 250 hp s,and never used the 4 wheel drive yet,allways with wing type!Thanks for vid.
Thanks that’s very interesting 👍
All testing should be real world such as you conducted. Good for you, good for the makers of quality gear.
You are absolutely right!
I am sure you know this. When comparing the two shovels, remember that time is money. Taking a few hours to change them out every several hundred acres will make a big difference. I would hazard a guess that the rib is a stiffener and adds to the ability of the shovel to maintain the correct angle. Whereas the current shovels are much thinner and probably, flex when they are plowing. That flex will increase wear and tear.
I do enjoy any of your experiments and tests. Tractor, implements and parts are all important. I am hoping that the many of us that are not farmers but are engaged in other trades suchas electronics and engineering may get inspired by the things that make the farming what it is. Thanks for the video's!!!
Thanks Roger! You make an excellent point here. That down time is costly. Especially in bad years where we can’t quite get done before the ground freezes up.
Yes Carl test video’s are great tool to teach some of us the stuff
Thanks!
Great job! The more use of the scientific method in your tests the better. Thanks
Thanks!
Looks like both corn and pretty girls grow well in your part of the world. Nice trial with the shovels, that is such a big difference. I really liked the drone shots, it gives such a neat perspective.
Thanks 👍
Excellent video.
Thanks Brian!
Love it. Keep em coming
Thanks Dave!
Awesome test. I'm very impressed with the trial shovels. We do good to get 200+ acres out of one edge on ours.
Same!
Great video, enjoy the testing
Thanks Brian!
What ever helps with downtime vs cost is always what you have to look at. Not just the labor time, but the down time from the field. The shovel seemed to break at the stiffening strut so they might have a problem with heat treating. It is hard to balance flexibility with hardness. Interesting test.
It really is a delicate balance. Softer metal wears faster but is less prone to snapping off.
Great Test. Love your videos
Thanks Lloyd!
We did the same with Dutch openers for our air drill. Went from changing all 48 of them 2 times a season to getting a season and a half out of them. The aftermarket ones are even cheaper than the Dutch brand too, everybody loves saving time and money.
Yes indeed time is money!
You are helping the manufacturer find his weak points and making improvements. When he hits the market, he will have a proven product, thanks to you. 2 shovels is not much of a saving to you now, but when you can use the final product, it seems like it will be a worthwhile upgrade. I hope it works out to your advantage.
Thanks Carl! It’s the best way for a company to do quality research. They are taking the shovels back to analyze wear and breakage.
Good video Carl, I liked it. I think its cool when you can use older footage with your newer footage to bring out a point.
Thanks Tim!
Great comparison video! lol now you gotta go sweep the fields with a metal detector until you find that piece that broke off
Haha how about I hire you to do that 😂
I like test videos but I enjoy all of your videos
Thanks Jerry!
Great experiment Don’t forget to include labor cost
Yes you are right!
Carl, liked the test comparison video, more would be good. Have a good week.
Thanks Keith! Same to you 👍
by testing different products we all learn something. keep it up
I agree. Thanks rich!
I really love the testing/comparison videos, I find them incredibly interesting. Quick question though, The closest I've ever come to farming is when I play Farming Simulator 17, but the question is... Does using a chisel plow do the same thing as using a cultivator? Is it just different terminology for the same implement?
Not exactly. The chisel plow runs deeper and does not leave the ground as smooth as a field cultivator.
Nice! A test of something I can use. Looks like the JD2410 will be getting some AgriTough shovels. Thanks much!
Good! Just to help you search the name is spelled AgriTuf
Thanks for the spelling update. I hope you continue the comparison videos, but I would also be interested in a video about the planning for your chemical/fertilizer plan for the upcoming year.
Wow. I like the Agri tuff chisel plow points. I wonder what type of steel they made them from? It sounds like it will be well worth getting. That one shovel that broke must have hit a huge rock. I like testing videos especially when testing some great products for agricultural purposes. Great video.
Thanks David! That’s what I thought about that broken shovel. They are going to take back both shovels to analyze wear and breakage.
I love testing videos.
Thanks Edward!
Thats a huge difference in those 2 shovels!
Yes it is!!!
Good comparison. Please do more.
Thanks jack I’ll try to round up more thongs like this to test 👍
Carl, guess it’s a no brained which shovels to get ! Congrats on fall tillage being done!
It’s so good to be done!!!
Interesting test. On first impression it appears to be a win win situation. More durability and less labor. In regard to the break, the temper of the steel on the new shovels could be different and harder carbon steel. It may require a longer testing period to see if you have additional breaks. Of course you will have to consider cost factors also. I have no doubt you will make the right decision
I chose the worst trade of them all (drywaller) so who am I to say whether or not others would like more testing videos but for me... I love head to head comparisons... they make life easier when it comes to choosing a direction... thanks for all your efforts !
There is no shortage of work for a good drywall guy!
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 Yep... it fed nine kids !! thanks for the comeback... new sub... love farmers.
really good test and great video
Thanks John!
Great video!!! Thank you have a great day
Thanks you too!
Nice test. I also wonder if you had all shovels of tough ones would they require more hp to pull
I had wondered about that. It would be difficult to measure that but I’d like to know
Thanks. I learned something
Thanks for watching 👍
Love the test videos, they look like cast iron so it could have broken at a weak spot.
Thanks Aaron!
Nice Vlog Karl.
Thanks!
Good comparison, probably be worth the difference in price for extended wear......
Thanks! I think you are right 👍
This was way cool Carl. Not a farmer either but enjoy your content
That’s great to hear! 👍
yes i do like the new operator and the comparison videos, im looking to buy my first drone,any ideas and why you like them, thanks again
Yes I just got a new drone. It’s the dji mavic air 2. I really like it. My first one was the mavic air and I liked it too but this one is a pretty big upgrade in battery life and stability in wind.
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 thanks
Good video !!
Daniel from central Mississippi
thanks Daniel!
It was a very good test . ( I am not a farmer ) Enjoy your videos 👍🏻
Thanks Brian! I appreciate that.
5 to 1 ratio on wear not counting time changing shovels - impressive! Probably will be 3 to 1 cost difference , just a guess. Enjoyed the experiment.
Thanks! I hope you are right 👍
Very useful comparison in a realistic and practical test.
However how have the heads of the bolts stood up to lasting longer? I have seen circumstances where longer lasting points / wear tips last very well but the bolt heads melt away real quick to the point where if the worn bolts are not replaced the long life point is lost when in work as the bolts simply wear away too fast.
That’s a great point. The bolts seemed to be holding up really well. That big rib down the middle kind of protects the bolts a little bit.
Great, we need more explanative videos. It would be great to get down to various costs, yields etc. So to understand this lifw better.
Good video, your soil looks very rich. Is the tractor new this year? How many HP. You're lucky that your wife likes to help, I wish mine would.
Hey thanks Tom! The tractor is new to us this year but it is a used machine. 370 HP
I also thought the test was great Thanks
Thanks mike!
Test video was cool.
Thanks
I guess it will depend on the price differential. The Agrituff (sp) shovel must be more expensive just due to the amount of iron.
Yeah I would agree
is that the only thing that Agri-Tough makes it would be neat to see if they make the sweeps for a feld cultivator
Yes they have had sweeps available for awhile now. Look up Agri Tuf
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 ok thanks
We had the chance to try some shovels that were almost twice as thick as the OEM shovels we were using. We put 3 of them on and in 3 days all of them broke. Not such a good deal.
Yes I do. Thanks 😊
Thanks 👍
Nice video
Thanks!
You didnt show the "brand of the chisel plow, but it looks like a Landoll. The make good strong machines.
The first time I used a power wrench to change shovels I made the mistake of trying to hold the spinning bolt head with my fingers. The bolt heads on plow lays or shovels get really sharp as they wear.
Took end of finger off doing that
Those shovels wear out fast!!
They sure do!
please do more test especially JD and Case IH tractors
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Aye that was a good enough test: from my perspective, though , How DEEP were you chiselling and what speed? Liked the Idea of the Hexbolts too: those plowbolts are way too expensive for what they are 12.9 bolts bought in bulk are cheaper than any ploughbolt. Hah, is the issue the Bolt, the thicker shovel or the quality of the steel in the share? End of day it isTIME and cost per Acre - like the idea of lasting 2years in your case.
We were going about 9 inches deep at 6mph
Congratulations! good idea! My question: in Europe, 250 rounds of machines are widespread in Europe! How many meters wide do you need such a tillage blue machine !? Are there any smaller ones like this ?? The old conser till machines are taken slő a couple .... because there is no similar production! Horsch terrano does very much such a great job !! and not even suitable for such deep work! really how deep did you pull this video! ?? If soybeans are sown in the corn stubble in the spring, is that the depth ?
Paul
Hungary
using your current points you are adding iron to the blocks, do you think this added iron is making a difference to crop yields?. I like how the new points worked. You will save a significant amount of time not having to stop and flip or change your current points. hope the price point on the new points is economic
I don’t really think there is any difference in performance. The real different is longevity. With that being said, uniform depth of tillage is important, and the fast wearing shovels wear at different rates based on where they are mounted. So it would, in theory, do a more uniform job over the season as well.
Carl.
Please inform the rep they should lengthen the enforcement/support rods in the agri tough chisels to the very edge.
My opinion and not a criticism.
As always and with every clip I really enjoyed this one too.
Take care & thanks for sharing.
Cheers.
Thanks mark! They are taking both shovels back to analyze wear and breakage. I’ll be interested to see what they come up with.
Any way to measure the load on the tongue of the tractor of those new chisels? Just looking at it, it might appear that there might more drag particularly in stickier soils. More drag would translate to higher fuel consumption. My comment is based on intuition only. Pricing might be a big factor in whether they are worth it. Do you carry spares in the tractor if any break in the field? Since you go through alot of metal stuff do you have a scrap bin for worn or broken steel? Not sure what scrap iron prices are by you but over time it might be a few bucks if you did not have to go out of your way.
Yeah I was wondering about the drag as well. I can’t think of a good way to measure that though. Maybe work a field every other pass and then switch to the other kind of shovels and work the remaining passes and compare fuel consumption. We do carry spares. We have a scrap yard about ten miles away but the price is very low at the current time.
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 With all the fancy monitors on the modern tractor, I am surprised there is no way to measure the load on the hitch. Might one guess for load might be the difference between the wheel speed and the GPS speed? The tech is probably out there but not worthy of the investment. Scrap is low here too. At least you have the option to put it aside somewhere to await higher prices.
Yes.
it would be nice to know the price difference between the two shovels. It might the case where you get what you pay for !
The high wear shovels cost about 3X
What is the brand? Agra Tough? I can't find them on Google.. I know they are not out but wanted to check out the company.
It’s spelled AgriTuf. They have field cultivator sweeps already out.
Wear real good as long you don't have any rocks,they break
What is the cost of the two points?
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Do you guys do any strip or no till?
We do some no-till, but we haven’t done any strip till yet.
Testing is good
Thanks Steve
If you changed all of the chisels with the new agritoughs one of 2 things would happen; 1, you would get the front wheels off the ground or 2 the JD would not pull it :)
Sorry Carl....couldn't help myself lol.
I was going to ask the same thing if a full set would pull harder. More fuel consumption, wheel slippage, need to pull in a lower gear so it takes longer to cover the same amount of ground.
@@dwightl5863 Def more fuel and it would run hotter.
That’s a great point. I wish I had a way to test that...
Oh yea - that's really realy thick, is it thick enough to break the shank?
No I don’t think that will ever happen. The shanks are spring loaded.
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I think trial videos are great
Thanks Alex so do I!
Did Agri-Tough want the broken chisel back for QI to examine it and figure out why it broke?
Yes they are going to take both shovels back to examine wear and breakage
Are the agri tuff more expensive 🤔
I think they will be. Price hasn’t been set yet.
@@dodgebrothersfarmandranch9206 k thanks love the vids
were do ypu get them
They will be available to purchase this fall. These were prototypes
I was just checking the Internet to buy them. But not till next fall you said. Ok. Greg Klug
Yeah Also the company is spelled Agri Tuf