Yeah he definitely needs to work on the concept more. Seeing those houses and other buildings moving around in the ring makes me nervous, and no one would want to live that close to a rocket launch site. There might be some interesting ideas in it, but it feels like there's a lot of pure science fiction as well.
It's just another huge waste of resources for the already privileged. Luckily, nothing this silly would ever happen. And there is no land shortage if people would choose to cut their animal consumption in half. Americans eat twice as many pounds of meat per year as in the 1920s. Most farmland is used to grow feed for tortured animals. The Amazon is being cut down to graze cattle.
@@bluebox2000 The issue isn't people's diet, it's the amount of people there is. If we are forced to restrict our diet because of land shortage, it already means we are way overpopulated. If we go by your logic and push it further, let's keep increasing the population, no problem, in the future we can all just eat rice and wheat and nothing else. We'll all get sick but it's ok, at least there'll be no land shortage. The real solution is to go back to a more humane number of people on the planet, so that we can grow both a good variety of plants AND animal products (without having to necessarily restrict in any way) in free-range and sustainable ways, to feed everyone a healthy balanced diet. It's been a while since humanity has reached such high numbers that it forces us to heavily rely on large-scale and factory farming, and even that way a lot of people on the planet aren't even being fed a balanced diet. Optimally, every human on the planet should be eating a balanced diet of plants and animal products that all come from organic, free-range, ethical farms. And that's not even close to possible with 8 billion people on the planet. Human overpopulation is definately humanity's and the planet's biggest threat in the coming centuries, unless we discover some crazy new technologies that can alleviate the issue.
The only problem is that it should have been done sooner. This type of thing will allow living spaces other than on land. Yes, there are issues such as buildings crashing into each other, ocean storms, Tsunami, degredation, loss of buoyancy leading to half the wall sinking and a list of other issues. But NOT doing this and working out those issues is a step in the wrong direction.
The shield is not the glass that's in the shot while he talks about it. It's the whole ring around it that is the shield, but I don't know how it works since it will float. Won't it just be like a boat in a tsunami?
It's a floating city. It should simply float over top of the tsunami without noticing more than a slight rise and fall. Perhaps he meant to say typhoon protection?
I have the exact same problem. I don't mind the occasional sci-fi / this could be the future video... But to give a platform to an architect who puts a rocket launch platform next to their floating city... Feels like promoting someone who purely does CGI render art, not architecture and certainly with little to no knowledge of engineering. Honestly, makes me feel less good about the channel as a whole.
@@coreyhipps7483 - I can see a workaround that would allow a launch platform to be included: a semi-independent platform that can travel out to a safe distance for the launch, and then return afterwards. This would allow the rocket exhaust to be directed into the water, eliminating some of the engineering problems faced by on-shore launchpads. NASA's launch facilities already use vast amounts of water to mitigate the destructive effects of rocket exhaust plasma on concrete structures. The obliteration of the SpaceX launch facility a while back showed why. IMO the real flaw in thinking is economics. Given the immense energy cost of sending a person up into space, it is improbable you'll see vast numbers of people heading into space on a regular basis any time soon, so the demand from such a comparatively small city will only be high enough to warrant building the facilities if it is part of a floating megalopolis. What there could be demand for is a system which is well-suited to small inanimate items, compact, significantly more energy efficient, and can safely operate within the city itself.
That's exactly what it's supposed to be... And, as has always been the case, we need to think today about solutions for the future. If you only start thinking about things like this when you need them then you are too late
If you were born 200 years ago you would have said the same thing about the internet, electricity, modern vehicles, space shuttles, microwaves, computers, cell phones…I’ll stop there. All great inventions and advancements start as an idea.
@@dillon2497 Good point. I do better. The thing we take for granted today would have been magic to people who lived 1,000 years ago. Just like technology during the time of Rome would be magic to a caveman. Heck, even some Technology from the time of the Rome would still count as magic by modern humans.
I'll be honest, the rocket launching is a big red flag for me. For context, NASA had spectators at a distance of 6km away from the Saturn V during launches and it was still said to be the loudest sound they had ever heard. Dogen is 1.6km in diameter. You also need the distance in case of an explosion or crash. Granted, these rockets may be significantly smaller, but it's something so unnecessary (we don't launch rockets from cities anyways) that it calls into question the experts that may or may not have been consulted in the design process. The video itself is excellent as usual though! I just question how much technical research went into the city on the start-up's behalf.
Sure, the moving houses look cool and the concept of being able to reconfigure them on an as needed basis sounds good... it's totally useless. The overhead for that functionality vastly outweighs the requirement for "We need to attach two houses together because they got married" or "We need a big dance venue."
I'm not sure. There _are_ communities built on large collections of boats (and in the recent past there were more of them, I think), and (as I understand it) they _do_ get reconfigured at times. Making them look like suburban homes is the novelty here, not making them mobile.
I'd want my City to be far more modular with individual floating hulls. just lots of floating squares that would be easy to replace at the end of their life - a bix fixed ring with a corrosion expiry date? the city that stood for 50 years.
Either it would be connected to large existing treatment plants and utilities on land, or it would have its own systems built in, similar to ocean-going ships, which have their own fresh water generators and sewage treatment plants. Technically is feasible but only adds to the already high cost.
@@OnionInfinite17 a ship is enormous, a house? Not so much, there can't be a treatment plant for every home, and a septic tank for each home would mean someone has to empty them. Just makes it impractical, you'd have to make a septic boat....
@@sokrates297 Sewage water would get filtered and empty into the sea. Drinking water would get filtered and come from the sea. You mostly likely could make a compact pumping system to do both without taking too much space. Considering most homes in Europe were once built with water tanks in the attic it is not too difficult to imagine. FYI, nations still pump raw sewage into the Ocean. So even if they did not filter waste it wouldn't go into a tank.
2:36 "Tsunami shield": that's stupid, because tsunamis are only a problem on the coast. At sea, even the largest tsunami is imperceptible: it's just a slight rise in water level over a large area (resulting in huge amounts of water when it reaches the coast).
Don’t get me wrong, I want floating cities to work, but I fear the outer ring will wobble too much and break. Its hard to make that large of a structure solid.
N-ARK's planned development, Dogen City, is said to be located on Lake Hamana in Japan. And coincidentally, I live in Kosai City, a city facing the west side of Lake Hamana. (Kosai means west of the lake in Japanese.) Until I watched this video, I had no idea that there was such a grand plan for that big lake, which is right under my nose. It is very surprising. What do you think of the feasibility of this project, I think it would be very difficult because Japan doesn't have much money to spare. Because Japan is indeed a country with a small living area, but in the countryside there is an abundant surplus of land. There is also a large amount of abandoned land due to the ageing of farmers and lack of successors, so the government will probably prioritise investment in agriculture. It's a layman's idea, though. But I think it's a very ambitious challenge. These dreamy plans are reminiscent of the Japan of the past. As locals, we are looking forward to investing in the future.
Japan isn't exactly known for its embracing of foreigners, either, so saying this is for "climate refugees" also sounds part of that dreamy, wishful thinking. It's "1 billion percent" more likely to be built as a giant elderly care facility for Japan's wealthiest elderly gerontocrats.
@@Vaeldarg You missed the part where the guy said he plans to build more of these close to southamerica, africa and other regions that will be the first ones to be severly flooded if water keeps rising and countries can't manage to prepare for it.
I do agree with you OP, Japan's issue is not living space, there are lots of rural villages and farmable that are in desperate need of people, but nobody wants to move away from Tokio. Everyone wants to live in the big cities instead of improving their own native towns. It's a sad thing teenagers have become so lazy and adopted this consumer mindset where they need to be and do everything others do. It's the one weakness of their culture exposed by TV and the internet, people are too wary of others opinions and will mindlessly flock towards whatever is popular. Just like ramen, two times i visited Japan and the second time i learned to avoid all the shops with waiting lines, instead i checked the less popular ones and they were as tasty if not even better than the ones with the massive queues. I'm happy that there are sstill people wanting to invest in the future locally over there, I love Japan.
Rampant consumerism will catch on very soon and their government will be forced to start importing immigrants, that or they'll have to flip their culture upside down, which is very unlikely.
I don't mind the occasional sci-fi / this could be the future video... But to give a platform to an "architect" who puts a rocket launch platform next to their floating city... There are very good and well established reasons why rocketry involves blast zones. SpaceX provided a very visceral reminder of this fairly recently. Feels like promoting someone who purely does CGI render art, not architecture and certainly with little to no knowledge of engineering. Honestly, makes me feel less good about the channel as a whole.
It’s a bit difficult to see the way in which this will make an impact, but I’m sure that some of the ideas are valuable. If I think back to buildings built in response to “population shock”, they are often built cheaply and in an environment where materials are in short supply. Building on water seems expensive to both build and maintain. Might require very specific materials as well.
that part was actually the most logic-defying talk about capturing investors and being profitable but focusing on poor mass-migrating countries? don't think so
Recently thousands of penguin chicks died in Antarctica due to sea ice melt. And many other species are running out of land to breed - for many reasons. We may need to start building floating cities for marine species - they need them more & more urgently!
it feels like an idea that's looking for a problem to solve, rather than idea thought of while trying to find a solution to a problem. Japan has a declining population and already has a lot of abandoned rural land. If they ever fix those problems first, then this might be something to look into, but that may never happen
It's an interesting technology. It would be better in my opinion if you also brought another perspective of how it could affect the ecology of the seas and life in them
You don't lol. Dude's no engineer. Hell I'm not even an engineer, I only grew up with one as my best friend in school and I can tell you the engineering of that outer ring won't stop a damn thing lol.
In japan I dont think you really need something like this as you already have whole villages turning into ghost towns and its just going to get worse in next decade
I would take this seriously if a major developer or government agency were doing this, not a startup with a non-functional concept art. I mean how are those single family houses even floating?
In the late 1980s Australia had built an 8 story floating hotel which always failed to make money despite a succession of entrepreneurial buyers. Originally called the John Brewer Floating Hotel, it was later purchased and called the Four Seasons Barrier Reef Resort. The hotel was then sold and relocated to Vietnam in 1989, operating as the Saigon Floating Hotel. In 1998 the hotel was then sold and bought by Hyundai Asan and taken to South Korea. In March 2022, it was reported that the dismantling of the hotel had commenced and the materials would be sold off as scrap. Building these sort of structures is always expensive and they're even more expensive to maintain. Similarly with sailing vessels, they say you should always allocate 10% of the ship's purchase cost to annual maintenance. As for establishing farming and industry, if you were an investor, why would you set up a factory or a farm on such an expensive piece of real estate when it's just so much cheaper and massively more cost efficient to do it on land. I'm sure these sort of structures have potential as tourist resorts or luxury villas, or a variation on the cruise ship theme, but definitely not as a solution to cost-efficient accommodation for low income earners, refugees, long-term tenants, or as a remedy for sustainable living. If we no longer have sufficient arable land (i.e. capable of being ploughed and suitable for growing crops) which we can farm and live on, then we're all screwed. You've got about as much chance of using a colony on Mars for refugee accommodation as you do with floating platforms for permanent or long-term cost-efficient habitation.
I can see the first iteration of this kind of shift in floating habitats being clusters of barges in bays rather than the small house boats and then eventually moving further out. I can imagine that it'll be the big money that push skyscrapers that will eventually bring the larger floating "cities"
Japanese architects have been making these crazy proposals for decades now and none of them have been built. Remember when they proposed the 4km tall skyscraper? The 1 mile high skyscraper? The giant pyramid in Tokyo Harbour?
It's doable and it will surely happen. I think it will contain a central hub (government, schools, etc) With a few outer rings with the harbor that surrounds the central hub.
That city would have to be Hurricane and tsunami proof and Rouge waves as well,because the climate change is making the ocean stronger as well and the city will have to be able to take that kind of punishment and be able for the citizens to not even notice that it's going to affect them.
An idea, but like others said about the moving buildings on the inside would be an issue. Would need an underwater frame work to keep it in place. Place it far enough out a tsunami might not be as big an issue. A cross Atlantic and pacific floating bridge would also allow a speed train and even road way for reducing ships and fuel expenditure. Put more cities along each side spread population and allow us more trees along those routes to clean more air. So many things can be helpful. But the speed at which we move, it won’t be up in time.
I think floating communities are great ideas - and you could design them to be highly modular, like lego pieces, so you can re-arrange them as necessary. Plus, you could make them private so random homeless people can't come on them, no cars would even be permitted perhaps, and all of the power is provided by solar and tidal (or nuclear micro-reactors). As long as that tsunami shield can prevent rogue waves, it could be an interesting prospect. Just imagine how quiet they would be, too.
Let’s be honest, being Japan, this would have been designed on a windows XP desktop, and the plans sent out to the world via Fax Machine! 😂 I’m also amazed I didn’t have to rent this TH-cam video by going in-person to my nearest Tsutaya books and video store!
4:38 Yeah, if there's one place I would love to have an experimental medical/surgical procedure done, its *_at sea_* ! I'm sure having the surgical room moving with waves and current couldn't possibly be a risk!
Surgery on a floating platform doesn't sound very safe at all, especially with a space station nearby... I really don't think having it fixed is a good idea with those storms. modular floating cities that we've seen before seem like a good idea on paper but alot of challenges to overcome
Not true, lovely floating projects already built. Check the one in The Netherlands. How about the projects in Arabia? The line? How about the floating airport? Etc etc. You are already living in the time you linger ahead for, worrying you won't witness it.
I'm a really big fan of your content but their is something about how you record voice over audio in your videos that creates a hissing sound with your S and ch kind of sounds. Thanks!
There's some real life examples of people living on a full 2 story house on a floatation device on water. Those houses had lots of issues. So if it's a city, perhaps we got to think "Is it sustainable?" , "Does it solve an existing problem?" , "Will it return the amount we invest?"
Show me that city as a cyclone roars overhead and the waves lash everything into flotsam and jetsam. And how many of the citizens will be employed just to keep the sea growth underwater under control. This is a pie in the sky dream. There's plenty of room on land. Just have to get busy and do it.
and don't forget the stabilizer for every floating object (housing, public building, hospital, etc) i think if everything have their own stabilizer it will cost more. and if every house can move freely, make sure there is some safe boundaries or distance (well the concept is cool cuz u can layout the city when ever u want)
Definitely will have to have ocean related hobbies. There was a similar video some years ago and I like the idea. After some thought, I think I'll have to stick to occasional cruise ship excursions for my lifetime. 😂🤙🏽
This seems like a great idea unless you've owned a boat that was docked on the ocean. There is CONSTANT maintenance. A boat is a great place to pour a whole LOT of money.
This would great in the uk, as we have little land and massive expansion on population and we have 1000s of miles of land that will be under water in 50 years, we need to get on this ASAP, the uk needs a start up like this sing me up
One thing that concerns me about cities floating off in the middle of the ocean is evacuation in the event of a hurricane, major fire or similar. Oil rigs have 100-200 people on them, to evacuate all of them at once is doable, it's 10-20 helicopter flights or you can usually anchor a support ship nearby and use a bridge or small boat to get them across. Worst comes to worst there are enough lifeboats for everyone on board. Doing the same for 40,000 people is going to be very, very challenging, you'd need a lot of helicopters or some very big rescue vessels.
@@renevile I guess if you had it next to the mainland with a bridge that does solve the evacuation problem. You think that would be reflected in the renders though, rather than making it look it's well out at sea.
Cities are not only the housing and construction, but also a lot of easy to access infrastructure (school, public transport, parks, entertainment, community services, etc.). I feel this project is missing a lot on details of such infrastructure, as well as on motivation for people to live in such place at all. Also if you think you would be able to easily get 10-100 thousands of people to live there, what stops you from doing the same on the land first, on top of existing village/small town? By the way, the planned city is 1.58km in diameter, which becomes ~1,96km^2 in inner circle area, less if you only consider the flat surface (ie exclude the water in between the buildings). They plan it to host 40k people, which gives population density of 20k people/km^2 - roughly 2x to New York and 3.5x to Tokyo, again not even taking into account the unusable plots of water in between the buildings. I can only guess how do they plan to achieve that without building 20+ floors living towers (obviously you can't have that floating on the water) and how much both the 'land' and the service fees cost in such a city (likely 10x or even more to respective big cities they are using as a 'bad' example).
If you really, really, really want to attempt a proof of concept for this thing, build a floating farm next to and oil rig. Or affordable housing. See how it work. From the challenges alone that you'll have to face doing that around an already existing maritime structure you will truly discover the feasibility of such a farfetched idea.
It's an interesting concept. To survive a tsunami the whole structure would need to be more rigid than flexible. In that way the entire structure would absorb the forces as a whole, instead of independently. I've experienced four large rolling earthquakes in California that acted like waves, and all of them were terribly destructive because buildings aren't designed for upheaval. If you're into wrestling, it's like being body slammed. The same physics apply on the sea. On a project this large, a 2 meter wave would make a lot of people sea sick. On a flexible structure the damage would be beyond insurance company compensation.
To be fair, even if they manage to raise the money to begin largely constructing the city, we will have several breakthroughs in tech before they complete it, so health monitoring robots and the like seem somewhat plausible in my opinion. My personal guess? Most likely completion time between 15-30 years if the project doesn't die in the next 2... P.S. If your reading this between 2038-2058 let me know how I did :)
Nice concept until floating City get hit by a massive storm, even thought circular outer ring will protect the city from sinking, yet internal buildings still rocking by a rough water, it citizens will get a seasick 😂
@@renevile I mean, they would obviously mass damper the OR room and likely all the buildings even to prevent large swaying (or ANY in the OR room's case) but yea that shield isn't doing anything without being anchored. it would reduce the energy of the waves by almost nothing since water weighs soo much, the mass of those waves and their velocity would giggle at the minuscule impact of those floating buildings. Saying that ring would stop a tsunami is like saying a sand castle will stop a bucket of water thrown at it lol
5:27 I'm not sure how a smart lad like this, passed solor panels facing each other as functional design... It would likely only work effectively best whist the sun is around 2 hours from high sun, both sides ( morning and evening..
It would make more sense just to buy a few old yachts and convert those to permanent living quarters. Not to mention most of those are already basically self operating towns
Yeah he definitely needs to work on the concept more. Seeing those houses and other buildings moving around in the ring makes me nervous, and no one would want to live that close to a rocket launch site. There might be some interesting ideas in it, but it feels like there's a lot of pure science fiction as well.
Not to mention the amount of salt water could damage and kill all the plants if not placed properly in the plan.
It's just another huge waste of resources for the already privileged. Luckily, nothing this silly would ever happen.
And there is no land shortage if people would choose to cut their animal consumption in half. Americans eat twice as many pounds of meat per year as in the 1920s. Most farmland is used to grow feed for tortured animals. The Amazon is being cut down to graze cattle.
@@bluebox2000 Yeah but the 1920s is also when the great depression hit lol, Okay actually it started in the 2030s
@@bluebox2000 The issue isn't people's diet, it's the amount of people there is. If we are forced to restrict our diet because of land shortage, it already means we are way overpopulated.
If we go by your logic and push it further, let's keep increasing the population, no problem, in the future we can all just eat rice and wheat and nothing else. We'll all get sick but it's ok, at least there'll be no land shortage.
The real solution is to go back to a more humane number of people on the planet, so that we can grow both a good variety of plants AND animal products (without having to necessarily restrict in any way) in free-range and sustainable ways, to feed everyone a healthy balanced diet. It's been a while since humanity has reached such high numbers that it forces us to heavily rely on large-scale and factory farming, and even that way a lot of people on the planet aren't even being fed a balanced diet.
Optimally, every human on the planet should be eating a balanced diet of plants and animal products that all come from organic, free-range, ethical farms. And that's not even close to possible with 8 billion people on the planet.
Human overpopulation is definately humanity's and the planet's biggest threat in the coming centuries, unless we discover some crazy new technologies that can alleviate the issue.
@@Nata-ch2bk Yeah I did some more research and found that US population was less than half the size in the 20s
“There’s one big problem here”.
From the animations, I think there are a lot more than one big problems.
Yes, there is one big problem. That there are many many smaller problems.
Just like with any new technological advances. Problems is integral part of our life
The only problem is that it should have been done sooner. This type of thing will allow living spaces other than on land. Yes, there are issues such as buildings crashing into each other, ocean storms, Tsunami, degredation, loss of buoyancy leading to half the wall sinking and a list of other issues. But NOT doing this and working out those issues is a step in the wrong direction.
i think their population will be finished first before they finish this
That Tsunami shield doesn't look like it'll do much shielding.
Well yeah and also tsunamis at sea are barely perceptible.
The shield is not the glass that's in the shot while he talks about it. It's the whole ring around it that is the shield, but I don't know how it works since it will float. Won't it just be like a boat in a tsunami?
It's a floating city. It should simply float over top of the tsunami without noticing more than a slight rise and fall. Perhaps he meant to say typhoon protection?
@@rthomp03yeah, under all those angles. Imagine your house tilt at 50 degree. 😂
@@MelfiortheOne Sure beats having my house under 50 feet of water
how can spacecraft be so close to other buildings?
seems so unrealistic that it discredits everything else for me
yeah, really looks more like a rip from so many sci-fi city builder games than anything actually original 🤣
SpinLaunch's centrifugal launch system is plausible IMO
yeah thats were it lost me too, instantly seems more like a child drawing wild ideas on a fride
I have the exact same problem.
I don't mind the occasional sci-fi / this could be the future video...
But to give a platform to an architect who puts a rocket launch platform next to their floating city...
Feels like promoting someone who purely does CGI render art, not architecture and certainly with little to no knowledge of engineering.
Honestly, makes me feel less good about the channel as a whole.
@@coreyhipps7483 - I can see a workaround that would allow a launch platform to be included: a semi-independent platform that can travel out to a safe distance for the launch, and then return afterwards. This would allow the rocket exhaust to be directed into the water, eliminating some of the engineering problems faced by on-shore launchpads. NASA's launch facilities already use vast amounts of water to mitigate the destructive effects of rocket exhaust plasma on concrete structures. The obliteration of the SpaceX launch facility a while back showed why.
IMO the real flaw in thinking is economics. Given the immense energy cost of sending a person up into space, it is improbable you'll see vast numbers of people heading into space on a regular basis any time soon, so the demand from such a comparatively small city will only be high enough to warrant building the facilities if it is part of a floating megalopolis. What there could be demand for is a system which is well-suited to small inanimate items, compact, significantly more energy efficient, and can safely operate within the city itself.
It seems like a science fiction and not thoroughly planned.
That's exactly what it's supposed to be... And, as has always been the case, we need to think today about solutions for the future. If you only start thinking about things like this when you need them then you are too late
drop the word 'science' and you're dead-on
This shit never happen even in venise you live in land you are not a fish for live in water stop these climate bullshit
If you were born 200 years ago you would have said the same thing about the internet, electricity, modern vehicles, space shuttles, microwaves, computers, cell phones…I’ll stop there. All great inventions and advancements start as an idea.
@@dillon2497 Good point. I do better. The thing we take for granted today would have been magic to people who lived 1,000 years ago. Just like technology during the time of Rome would be magic to a caveman. Heck, even some Technology from the time of the Rome would still count as magic by modern humans.
I'll be honest, the rocket launching is a big red flag for me. For context, NASA had spectators at a distance of 6km away from the Saturn V during launches and it was still said to be the loudest sound they had ever heard. Dogen is 1.6km in diameter. You also need the distance in case of an explosion or crash.
Granted, these rockets may be significantly smaller, but it's something so unnecessary (we don't launch rockets from cities anyways) that it calls into question the experts that may or may not have been consulted in the design process.
The video itself is excellent as usual though! I just question how much technical research went into the city on the start-up's behalf.
yeah it feels like a kid made a collage of cool stuff without thinking about any of it.
@@nickolasbrown3342The whole video feels like that.
Sure, the moving houses look cool and the concept of being able to reconfigure them on an as needed basis sounds good... it's totally useless.
The overhead for that functionality vastly outweighs the requirement for "We need to attach two houses together because they got married" or "We need a big dance venue."
It’s all gimmick 😂
I'm not sure. There _are_ communities built on large collections of boats (and in the recent past there were more of them, I think), and (as I understand it) they _do_ get reconfigured at times. Making them look like suburban homes is the novelty here, not making them mobile.
@@stephenspackman5573 yeah, those thin houses would be very wobbly and hard to keep from flipping over
Personally, I would want my floating city to all be dry ground, rather than each building sitting on the water with water separating all the buildings
Waves might be problematic.
Me too, but waterworld+Elysium dystopia 🤩
I'd want my City to be far more modular with individual floating hulls. just lots of floating squares that would be easy to replace at the end of their life - a bix fixed ring with a corrosion expiry date? the city that stood for 50 years.
Venice rocks though.
@@unvergebeneid Venice rocks less and sinks more than this proposal, ha ha ha.
Sewage, water, electricity and utility? How is each house, that's floating around going to be hooked up?
magnets
Considering a rocket launch was slapped on like a sticker, I doubt any of those concerns were considered.
Either it would be connected to large existing treatment plants and utilities on land, or it would have its own systems built in, similar to ocean-going ships, which have their own fresh water generators and sewage treatment plants. Technically is feasible but only adds to the already high cost.
@@OnionInfinite17 a ship is enormous, a house? Not so much, there can't be a treatment plant for every home, and a septic tank for each home would mean someone has to empty them. Just makes it impractical, you'd have to make a septic boat....
@@sokrates297 Sewage water would get filtered and empty into the sea. Drinking water would get filtered and come from the sea. You mostly likely could make a compact pumping system to do both without taking too much space. Considering most homes in Europe were once built with water tanks in the attic it is not too difficult to imagine.
FYI, nations still pump raw sewage into the Ocean. So even if they did not filter waste it wouldn't go into a tank.
2:36 "Tsunami shield": that's stupid, because tsunamis are only a problem on the coast.
At sea, even the largest tsunami is imperceptible: it's just a slight rise in water level over a large area (resulting in huge amounts of water when it reaches the coast).
Now do typhoons.
Don’t get me wrong, I want floating cities to work, but I fear the outer ring will wobble too much and break. Its hard to make that large of a structure solid.
Fr did they not see what happen to mexico city/ its a floating city on a lake
You're all a bunch of fools who lack faith.
N-ARK's planned development, Dogen City, is said to be located on Lake Hamana in Japan.
And coincidentally, I live in Kosai City, a city facing the west side of Lake Hamana. (Kosai means west of the lake in Japanese.)
Until I watched this video, I had no idea that there was such a grand plan for that big lake, which is right under my nose. It is very surprising.
What do you think of the feasibility of this project, I think it would be very difficult because Japan doesn't have much money to spare.
Because Japan is indeed a country with a small living area, but in the countryside there is an abundant surplus of land. There is also a large amount of abandoned land due to the ageing of farmers and lack of successors, so the government will probably prioritise investment in agriculture. It's a layman's idea, though.
But I think it's a very ambitious challenge. These dreamy plans are reminiscent of the Japan of the past. As locals, we are looking forward to investing in the future.
The Japanese are about go extinct with it's current rate of population decline, plenty of land about to open up with multitudes of ghost cities.
Japan isn't exactly known for its embracing of foreigners, either, so saying this is for "climate refugees" also sounds part of that dreamy, wishful thinking. It's "1 billion percent" more likely to be built as a giant elderly care facility for Japan's wealthiest elderly gerontocrats.
@@Vaeldarg Exactly, on the money.
@@Vaeldarg You missed the part where the guy said he plans to build more of these close to southamerica, africa and other regions that will be the first ones to be severly flooded if water keeps rising and countries can't manage to prepare for it.
I do agree with you OP, Japan's issue is not living space, there are lots of rural villages and farmable that are in desperate need of people, but nobody wants to move away from Tokio. Everyone wants to live in the big cities instead of improving their own native towns. It's a sad thing teenagers have become so lazy and adopted this consumer mindset where they need to be and do everything others do. It's the one weakness of their culture exposed by TV and the internet, people are too wary of others opinions and will mindlessly flock towards whatever is popular.
Just like ramen, two times i visited Japan and the second time i learned to avoid all the shops with waiting lines, instead i checked the less popular ones and they were as tasty if not even better than the ones with the massive queues.
I'm happy that there are sstill people wanting to invest in the future locally over there, I love Japan.
Hard to see how this could make an impact in Japan, where the population is declining and the need for land is actually decreasing.
Rampant consumerism will catch on very soon and their government will be forced to start importing immigrants, that or they'll have to flip their culture upside down, which is very unlikely.
Waterworld+Elysium dystopia 🤩
I don't mind the occasional sci-fi / this could be the future video... But to give a platform to an "architect" who puts a rocket launch platform next to their floating city...
There are very good and well established reasons why rocketry involves blast zones. SpaceX provided a very visceral reminder of this fairly recently.
Feels like promoting someone who purely does CGI render art, not architecture and certainly with little to no knowledge of engineering.
Honestly, makes me feel less good about the channel as a whole.
Living in one of those houses looks mighty depressing, imagine not being able to step outside despite being able to see your neighbours
I remember seeing someone building this same idea in Cities Skyline in TH-cam just a few years ago.
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It’s a bit difficult to see the way in which this will make an impact, but I’m sure that some of the ideas are valuable.
If I think back to buildings built in response to “population shock”, they are often built cheaply and in an environment where materials are in short supply. Building on water seems expensive to both build and maintain. Might require very specific materials as well.
And at the same time in Japan there are a lot of depopulated villages, abandoned homes etc.
that part was actually the most logic-defying
talk about capturing investors and being profitable but focusing on poor mass-migrating countries? don't think so
this will not happen before 2100
Another win for team nothing ever happens (only the slow ever marching decay of society)
Am just worried about falling into the deep sea😅
Tsunami will cause far greater damage than to the cities on land.
And this is gonna for rich ppl we poor people be underground or prison😂
@@frostilveractually they are gonna make a japan pyramid giza for 2110
"affordable housing"
Recently thousands of penguin chicks died in Antarctica due to sea ice melt. And many other species are running out of land to breed - for many reasons. We may need to start building floating cities for marine species - they need them more & more urgently!
Interesting concept and I can see the potential for many cities. But hard to grasp why Japan needs this with its shrinking population.
it feels like an idea that's looking for a problem to solve, rather than idea thought of while trying to find a solution to a problem. Japan has a declining population and already has a lot of abandoned rural land. If they ever fix those problems first, then this might be something to look into, but that may never happen
It's an interesting technology. It would be better in my opinion if you also brought another perspective of how it could affect the ecology of the seas and life in them
Clicking "like" even before watching as i know im going to enjoy the video as usual.
me too
Amazing Build
Hello!! What happens if there are big waves, how can you stabilize the houses?
That's what that massive outer ring is for. I don't belief in this concept though haha
You don't lol. Dude's no engineer. Hell I'm not even an engineer, I only grew up with one as my best friend in school and I can tell you the engineering of that outer ring won't stop a damn thing lol.
StarGate Atlantis make more sense then this and it’s pure sci-fi.
I've seen this movie before! I just need the catamaran and I'm set :D
I love all that glass around the ring, I'm sure it will stand up really well to a rocket launched 30 meters away.
and im sure no one will be be firing missiles back at them.
Very impressive ❤
In japan I dont think you really need something like this as you already have whole villages turning into ghost towns and its just going to get worse in next decade
Yeah Japan needs infrastructure to connect those ghost towns to major center so they can act as high density suburbs. Not new land.
Very interesting concept.
The modular designs of others seem much more useable, not to mention scalable. Mass production is a huge part of making these cheap.
Modular designs are terribly complicated for utilities (water, power, sewage). Not well thought out at all.
@@jake9764 why? Just standardise connections and throughput
@@jake9764 Ah, this is the future, we'll just send the sewage wirelessly.
Wow, that's really amazing, really amazing
Thank you Boss Qu for the video
I would take this seriously if a major developer or government agency were doing this, not a startup with a non-functional concept art. I mean how are those single family houses even floating?
a hull
Thanks for the video…earthquake safe as well…fascinating…be safe !!
In the late 1980s Australia had built an 8 story floating hotel which always failed to make money despite a succession of entrepreneurial buyers.
Originally called the John Brewer Floating Hotel, it was later purchased and called the Four Seasons Barrier Reef Resort. The hotel was then sold and relocated to Vietnam in 1989, operating as the Saigon Floating Hotel. In 1998 the hotel was then sold and bought by Hyundai Asan and taken to South Korea. In March 2022, it was reported that the dismantling of the hotel had commenced and the materials would be sold off as scrap.
Building these sort of structures is always expensive and they're even more expensive to maintain. Similarly with sailing vessels, they say you should always allocate 10% of the ship's purchase cost to annual maintenance.
As for establishing farming and industry, if you were an investor, why would you set up a factory or a farm on such an expensive piece of real estate when it's just so much cheaper and massively more cost efficient to do it on land.
I'm sure these sort of structures have potential as tourist resorts or luxury villas, or a variation on the cruise ship theme, but definitely not as a solution to cost-efficient accommodation for low income earners, refugees, long-term tenants, or as a remedy for sustainable living.
If we no longer have sufficient arable land (i.e. capable of being ploughed and suitable for growing crops) which we can farm and live on, then we're all screwed. You've got about as much chance of using a colony on Mars for refugee accommodation as you do with floating platforms for permanent or long-term cost-efficient habitation.
man i love how you write for some reason :D
I can see the first iteration of this kind of shift in floating habitats being clusters of barges in bays rather than the small house boats and then eventually moving further out. I can imagine that it'll be the big money that push skyscrapers that will eventually bring the larger floating "cities"
Japanese architects have been making these crazy proposals for decades now and none of them have been built. Remember when they proposed the 4km tall skyscraper? The 1 mile high skyscraper? The giant pyramid in Tokyo Harbour?
That why it's was call "concept". come on it's not that deep many country like that too 😊
It's doable and it will surely happen. I think it will contain a central hub (government, schools, etc) With a few outer rings with the harbor that surrounds the central hub.
That city would have to be Hurricane and tsunami proof and Rouge waves as well,because the climate change is making the ocean stronger as well and the city will have to be able to take that kind of punishment and be able for the citizens to not even notice that it's going to affect them.
Rouge waves are very unpredictable, never the shade you expect.
An idea, but like others said about the moving buildings on the inside would be an issue. Would need an underwater frame work to keep it in place. Place it far enough out a tsunami might not be as big an issue. A cross Atlantic and pacific floating bridge would also allow a speed train and even road way for reducing ships and fuel expenditure. Put more cities along each side spread population and allow us more trees along those routes to clean more air. So many things can be helpful. But the speed at which we move, it won’t be up in time.
I think floating communities are great ideas - and you could design them to be highly modular, like lego pieces, so you can re-arrange them as necessary. Plus, you could make them private so random homeless people can't come on them, no cars would even be permitted perhaps, and all of the power is provided by solar and tidal (or nuclear micro-reactors). As long as that tsunami shield can prevent rogue waves, it could be an interesting prospect. Just imagine how quiet they would be, too.
Finally a comment that approves the floating city concept like me without sounding condescending or cynical.
Greetings from Romania and Japan ❤
Let’s be honest, being Japan, this would have been designed on a windows XP desktop, and the plans sent out to the world via Fax Machine! 😂 I’m also amazed I didn’t have to rent this TH-cam video by going in-person to my nearest Tsutaya books and video store!
1:46 "Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates" 😂
to be completely honest this concept is horrendus
how
4:38 Yeah, if there's one place I would love to have an experimental medical/surgical procedure done, its *_at sea_* ! I'm sure having the surgical room moving with waves and current couldn't possibly be a risk!
Could you possibly do a video on the “rising sea levels” as I can’t see ANY evidence of this!! 🧐
You are correct. That is because there is no evidence of sea levels rising.
al gore said so
Fantasy. You would have to build somewhere where sunamis aren't a threat
Is this really a great idea seeing as they just dumped a bunch of radioactive water into the ocean?
This fights against the oxagon
Early gang, Only people who have watched this within 3 hours of the video up can put a ❤
lake Titicaca is in Bolivia!!
Interesting concept
Surgery on a floating platform doesn't sound very safe at all, especially with a space station nearby... I really don't think having it fixed is a good idea with those storms. modular floating cities that we've seen before seem like a good idea on paper but alot of challenges to overcome
Tokyo is already a city of the future. Way ahead of the rest.
God I hope not! If all cities become as fucked up as Tokyo, I will need to move to Mars after all.
I'm sad that I'm too old to live long enough to see these fantastic developments.
Not true, lovely floating projects already built. Check the one in The Netherlands. How about the projects in Arabia? The line? How about the floating airport? Etc etc. You are already living in the time you linger ahead for, worrying you won't witness it.
Like the Waterworld vibes of this city. All we need now is Fred as the Kevin Costner of this future
What about the with Thusunami..
I'm a really big fan of your content but their is something about how you record voice over audio in your videos that creates a hissing sound with your S and ch kind of sounds. Thanks!
YEAH! Waterworld! Somebody watched Waterworld and thought "Lets do that"
The lagoon near venice is perfect for this design.
There's some real life examples of people living on a full 2 story house on a floatation device on water. Those houses had lots of issues.
So if it's a city, perhaps we got to think "Is it sustainable?" , "Does it solve an existing problem?" , "Will it return the amount we invest?"
Show me that city as a cyclone roars overhead and the waves lash everything into flotsam and jetsam. And how many of the citizens will be employed just to keep the sea growth underwater under control. This is a pie in the sky dream. There's plenty of room on land. Just have to get busy and do it.
and don't forget the stabilizer for every floating object (housing, public building, hospital, etc) i think if everything have their own stabilizer it will cost more. and if every house can move freely, make sure there is some safe boundaries or distance (well the concept is cool cuz u can layout the city when ever u want)
Only the surgery rooms in the hospital need to be stabilized. Residential property doesn't, so we don't need to waste money on stabilizers for houses.
Is this the B1M voice? 😂❤🎉
Yes
Definitely will have to have ocean related hobbies. There was a similar video some years ago and I like the idea. After some thought, I think I'll have to stick to occasional cruise ship excursions for my lifetime. 😂🤙🏽
The beginning music is the Qing theme from the Kaiserreich mod in Hearts of Iron 4. No credits?
This seems like a great idea unless you've owned a boat that was docked on the ocean. There is CONSTANT maintenance. A boat is a great place to pour a whole LOT of money.
Am just worried about falling into the deep sea😅 but it is definitely a great idea to outsource prisons
How they will protect town from hurricanes or tornado in water? How they will protect from huge waves?😢
How about an Earthquake?
This would great in the uk, as we have little land and massive expansion on population and we have 1000s of miles of land that will be under water in 50 years, we need to get on this ASAP, the uk needs a start up like this sing me up
One thing that concerns me about cities floating off in the middle of the ocean is evacuation in the event of a hurricane, major fire or similar. Oil rigs have 100-200 people on them, to evacuate all of them at once is doable, it's 10-20 helicopter flights or you can usually anchor a support ship nearby and use a bridge or small boat to get them across. Worst comes to worst there are enough lifeboats for everyone on board. Doing the same for 40,000 people is going to be very, very challenging, you'd need a lot of helicopters or some very big rescue vessels.
@@renevile Not exactly sure how they'd do that without some immense form of propulsion.
@@renevile A tsunami wouldn't really be a problem in deep water, but I think waves would still be an issue.
@@renevile I guess if you had it next to the mainland with a bridge that does solve the evacuation problem. You think that would be reflected in the renders though, rather than making it look it's well out at sea.
Its funny I am pretty sure the intro music is not Japanese but Southern Chinese.
@2:04
If the diameter is 1.58km then the circumference is almost 5km at 4.964km not almost 4km
Yay! Let's heat up the oceans from underneath!!! Sounds like a great plan
Cities are not only the housing and construction, but also a lot of easy to access infrastructure (school, public transport, parks, entertainment, community services, etc.). I feel this project is missing a lot on details of such infrastructure, as well as on motivation for people to live in such place at all.
Also if you think you would be able to easily get 10-100 thousands of people to live there, what stops you from doing the same on the land first, on top of existing village/small town?
By the way, the planned city is 1.58km in diameter, which becomes ~1,96km^2 in inner circle area, less if you only consider the flat surface (ie exclude the water in between the buildings). They plan it to host 40k people, which gives population density of 20k people/km^2 - roughly 2x to New York and 3.5x to Tokyo, again not even taking into account the unusable plots of water in between the buildings. I can only guess how do they plan to achieve that without building 20+ floors living towers (obviously you can't have that floating on the water) and how much both the 'land' and the service fees cost in such a city (likely 10x or even more to respective big cities they are using as a 'bad' example).
Does it mean that if you move to one side of your floating house it will tip over ?
A political protest would be fun here, just peacefully drive your cars to one side😅
such a huge structure, how it overcome the stress of the wave?
If you really, really, really want to attempt a proof of concept for this thing, build a floating farm next to and oil rig. Or affordable housing. See how it work.
From the challenges alone that you'll have to face doing that around an already existing maritime structure you will truly discover the feasibility of such a farfetched idea.
It's an interesting concept. To survive a tsunami the whole structure would need to be more rigid than flexible. In that way the entire structure would absorb the forces as a whole, instead of independently. I've experienced four large rolling earthquakes in California that acted like waves, and all of them were terribly destructive because buildings aren't designed for upheaval. If you're into wrestling, it's like being body slammed. The same physics apply on the sea. On a project this large, a 2 meter wave would make a lot of people sea sick. On a flexible structure the damage would be beyond insurance company compensation.
Woow so basically next Atlantis ?
To be fair, even if they manage to raise the money to begin largely constructing the city, we will have several breakthroughs in tech before they complete it, so health monitoring robots and the like seem somewhat plausible in my opinion. My personal guess? Most likely completion time between 15-30 years if the project doesn't die in the next 2...
P.S. If your reading this between 2038-2058 let me know how I did :)
Looks much like a concept
so how exactly will this structure withstand high waves (which are quite often in the sea, not to mention ocean)?
Japan are always bold & they do not hold back. This could be a template for future cities for the next generation 👍
"no exact number yet, but woulda be HUGE"
while rocket lands in the background :D
Build it they will come
Nice concept until floating City get hit by a massive storm, even thought circular outer ring will protect the city from sinking, yet internal buildings still rocking by a rough water, it citizens will get a seasick 😂
@@renevile I mean, they would obviously mass damper the OR room and likely all the buildings even to prevent large swaying (or ANY in the OR room's case) but yea that shield isn't doing anything without being anchored. it would reduce the energy of the waves by almost nothing since water weighs soo much, the mass of those waves and their velocity would giggle at the minuscule impact of those floating buildings. Saying that ring would stop a tsunami is like saying a sand castle will stop a bucket of water thrown at it lol
considering all the quakes they have, being out in the ocean, with proper water walls against tsunamis, this would be a great idea!
5:27 I'm not sure how a smart lad like this, passed solor panels facing each other as functional design...
It would likely only work effectively best whist the sun is around 2 hours from high sun, both sides ( morning and evening..
Interesting 🤔 I like the renewable energy concepts.
where is that strip of floating river homes at 1:26 please?
It's like the Atols in Waterworld!
WOW WOW WOW
Risk!
Why would you need floating cities when only 1 - 4% of Earth's land surface is built up? Seems like a needlessly expensive sci-fi pipe dream to me.
It would make more sense just to buy a few old yachts and convert those to permanent living quarters. Not to mention most of those are already basically self operating towns
Can't believe you dedicated a video to this.
It will work 👍🏾💯💯💯