One adaptation that seems to be almost unknown outside of Germany (it's a Christmas classic here) and probably Czecho-Slovakia is "Three Wishes for Cinderella" ("Tři oříšky pro Popelku"/"Drei Haselnüsse für Aschenbrödel" - because she gets three magical hazelnuts as a gift, none of that fairy godmother stuff). Which is quite a shame, because it's such a good one, especially for the early 70s. She not only steals the prince's horse, but also joins his hunt in one of the outfits she gets and outshoots everyone, and messes with him a couple times more.
Repeat after me: You can write strong women and have decent female progtagonists without portraying every single man in the movie as a creep, a sexist, or an idiot.
In fact, actually portraying the male characters as... _actual charcters_ can make the female characters even BETTER, because it makes them appear strong and intelligent in a tangible, belivable way, as opposed to "least idiotic character by default".
We can write strong women and have decent female progtagonists without portraying every single man in the move as a creep, a sexist, or an idiot. Amen 🤗
The original Cinderella wasn’t looking for a man either, though. She just wanted to get out of the fucking house and have a night of fun and glamour, and just HAPPENED to meet the love of her life.
To be honest i am not against giving her the designer motivation, but making it so women just aren't allowed to work in the kingdom was unnecessary. Also, since they made her relationshio with the step mother and sisters more complex by them not being complete hateful abusers , like they still make her do housechores, but they seem to appreciate her to some extent, i don't know, would have liked if they went deeper into that.
@@nessyness5447 its also fucking stupid lol working class women have ALWAYS worked throughout history and that definitely would be what cinderella is (even if her step family arent)
@@haku8135 Not allowed to work FOR PAY. They do plenty of work. But that isn't really true in the society depicted either. It is a good idea that was poorly written and not fully realized.
Technically the original Cinderella got her sandal stolen by a hawk and the hawk dropped it in the Pharaoh's lap. And the Pharaoh took it as a sign from the gods to marry the woman who the sandal belonged to.
An often-overlooked element from the animated Disney Cinderella is that she did not go to the ball to meet the prince, and even after meeting him didn't realize who it was until the next day. She just wanted to have a good time.
Yeah, I was thinking when she was talking about that. Hadn't she MET the prince at the party and just went in the first place because she thought it'd be fun? Her life SUCKED, all she wanted was to go to a ball and have a lovely night.
@@haku8135 yeah, like, if she didn't meet the Prince her life would have jsut returned to how it was before, except she'd have some nice memories of a fun night, and that's all she wanted
EXACTLY!! I think about this all the time. Cinderella never even said she wanted to escape her life with her step family, she was never looking for a way out let alone waiting for someone to "save" her
I can’t stand when there’s mention about her waiting to become a “baby maker” but this element is passed over. She doesn’t spend the whole movie wanting a man to save her.
Ok first of all, even Cinderella in the OG cartoon wasn’t just waiting for a man. The good sis legit just wanted a night off. Snagging the prince was a plus.
She didn't even recognize the prince after dancing with him the whole night lmao homegirl told him "I haven't met the prince" before running away... from the prince....
Same with Ariel. Her dream was to explore the surface world. Getting to date the prince was just the catalyst to making her decision. Also, maybe a little bit, to piss of her dad, lol
The funny thing is that their whole "girls should have careers!" message is portrayed with two characters wanting to be a seamstress and a queen. Two careers that women have historically had access to. If you wanted a girlboss message you shouldn't have been a coward about it. Make cinderella a blacksmith
If anything that makes it more realistic no? Although I'd like to see more diverse jobs in girl boss roles/films. I'd choose the blacksmith in Knights Tale over the princess any day.
especially since... what's the message for the modern woman's audience? Women's careers are pretty commonplace. ?? It makes me remember that Emma Watson's Bell invented a machine to do laundry. Yeah. Not an being a author, not a publisher, but LAUNDRY.
@@RedMoonSolitary right? We literally don't need another movie about a woman working in fashion because every woman in rom coms works in fashion. No young girl in 2021 feels banned from being a fashion designer.
@@RedMoonSolitary the film was wrong on so many levels. Like how Emma thought corsets were evil when they are literally bras or how every woman is illiterate and not allowed to read despite the fact they were and Beauty and the Beast was written and published by a woman in a magazine.
It’s strange that a movie whose theme is “don’t give up your career for a relationship” has the prince dropping the crown for the girl EVEN THOUGH he expressed earlier he actually wanted to be king.
It would have made a lot more sense if they'd written the prince to not want to be king. Then it also would have been more satisfying to see his sister, who clearly wanted to improve the kingdom, be named the next in line.
I am sorry, I call out BS on anyone trying to say that Cinderella was "waiting around to be saved". Cinderella is actually a great role model. She didn't let the constant horrific abuse she was going through at the hands of her step mother and sister change her and her core values. And all the girl wanted was a night out, to escape for a bit and forget about her troubles. It was never about the prince. Finding love was just a bonus, or maybe even good karma resulting from her kindness and strength.
Also if marrying is the only escape to her terrible situation - or at least an easy way out - then it makes sense she'd get married quickly to someone, a *prince* even 😭
Say it louder! Cause apparently these days a lot of people seem to sleep on her strong personality and kindness. They'd be like oH yEaH sHe wAs wAiTinG tO bE rEsCuEd just cause she got married in the end. So, her getting married makes her a damsel in distress who needs savig? Why? people be like: You're only cool when you're tough and don't-ever-need-a-man type. Pfft. What's wrong with getting married? You don't wanna get married, fine. Don't get married. But looking down on people who do isn't cool either.
@@aude1415 excellent point! It's a reality that people sometimes get married to escape an abusive situation or poverty. That doesn't make them weak. Privileged people don't understand that not anyone has the means to up and leave just like that.
Am I the only one who thought the prince as a character felt empty? Like I was more attached to Cinderella 3's prince. That guy jumped out of a window and ran away from his own wedding with the line: "The talking mice say she's the wrong girl."
The prince in Disney's live-action Cinderella is also pretty good. At least he kinda gets his own arc about losing his father, becoming king, and changing how things are done in the kingdom.
Apparently he's not a terribly nice person in real life, either. Bit disappointing. The only thing I think I liked him in was that episode (it might have been 2 episodes) of Dr Who
The irony of Amazons Cinderella is that its a girl boss movie that is somehow more sexist than the actual time period its set. Women have worked as seamstresses for many centuries, and for much of that time it was one of the few jobs they could work. Nobody in real life would have bat an eyelid at Cinderella wanting to be dressmaker.
Not to mention working class women have ALWAYS worked?? Like theyre working class, you expect they could survive on one wage alone?? Cinderellas family isnt working class, but SHE is, shes stripped of all her wealth and belongings. I just- ugh
Another Cinderella adaptation did this way better: the Glasslipper with Leslie Karon. She wanted to go to the fall so she could apply for a job at the palace so she could escape the abusive family that took over her home.
Right?? Its like minimal effort token feminism. Cinderella trying to get a job as a seamstress in the palace makes waay more sense. And you can still have the tension between the step mum and Cinderella, because someone of her 'family house' working as a seamstress wouldn't go down well for the step mums reputation.
YEEEES UGH It was just so Saad: like the whole thing with the stepmother "uugdhs no one would take a businesswoman seriously" BUH WHO DO U THINK DESIGNED THE CORSET SHE'S WEARING- wich as per usual they did so dirty ._.)
I feel like our culture has overcorrected and gotten a really bad attitude towards romance in general. There is nothing weak about falling in love. Nowadays it feels like people see romance as making you a worse person, it's actually really bitter and toxic.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 Oh Twilight is freak show for a lot of reasons, 😂 I think the only reason it was so successful was because it played on the Beauty and the Beast Archetype which has historically always been quite popular especially with teen girls. I'm not knocking the archetype BTW, there are many great works of fiction that play off of it. I agree that you absolutely shouldn't find self worth in a partner, but there's nothing wrong with being fully devoted to and deeply in love with them
@@loli_cvnt5622 Amen to that, people are so worried about certain themes being degrading to women, but they don't seem to mind sexually degrading women. Woman needing saving in any way = toxic Woman being hypersexual = liberating TOXIC mindset
People seem to forget that Cinderella lived in an abusive household where she had little to no freedom. She wasn’t helpless because she was weak, she was trapped and just surviving one day at a time in her terrible life until she got the chance to have a night to herself, where she fell in love. Her story is about an abuse victim looking for an out.
She's also one of the strongest women in animation. Look at her life! She lives like that every single day, and she's still SUPER fucking positive. How many modern women go mental when their damn Starbucks order is wrong? Cinderella was always an inspirational character, changing her just makes her worse.
Contemporary social justice and its acolytes can't go further than surface level interpretations of things. Even a fairly simple fairy tale is too complicated for them. And yeah, I know this is Amazon banking on what are basically trendy topics right now, but my point still stands.
There was a retelling I read that real dived into that idea (I don't know the name off the top of my head) and ended with the Cinderella character not actually in a relationship, as both she and her love interest thought it was important for her to find her own footing in the world outside her abusive family. It wasn't the best book, but it did good job.
I’ve never liked how close accusing Cinderella of waiting for a man to save her is to victim blaming. If that girl could get herself out of that household she would have done it already. She had nowhere to go. No money. No connections. Also I really don’t see the issue of the prince maybe saving the person he loves from an abusive situation. Like wouldn’t we all do that if we could.
@@hollyro4665 in addition, she didn’t go to the ball to meet a man! She just wanted a night off, and people seem to forget she doesn’t know she met the prince until the next day.
Wait. She gets torn down for wanting to be a seamstress? That's like, one of the most valid and common jobs that women did historically to earn an income. That's hardly girl-bossing.
I swear!! There were many single or independent women in ye olde times and they were usually seamstresses, bakers, tutors or something like that. Traditionally feminine jobs but jobs nonetheless and they were able to earn enough to remain spinsters if they wanted. Or they worked in performing arts
I mean, og Cinderella wasn’t out for a man, wasn’t trying to get someone to save her, and ultimately saved herself through her own acts of kindness to others (specifically to the animals). Her relationship with the prince was what gave her a vehicle to escape her abusive situation and a path to a happier life. I’ve never thought that that movie was about needing a man to save you, that just seems somewhat ridiculous to me.
if you look at the original Disney movies, you’ll notice that being kind and pretty always makes the girl get a man in the end. While the ugly women don’t get the men, and they’ll be punished for not behaving feminine enough. It’s not a coincidence that this trope happens. And, has anyone noticed that in the original Disney princess films, the villain is always an older, « ugly » woman who exhibits more masculine traits and is jealous of the main females beauty? “Her relationship with the prince was what gave her a vehicle to escape her abusive situation and a path to a happier life.” Which is what people criticize the film for doing - that Cinderella actually *needed* a man to escape from her abusive household. For the nuance, it makes sense given how it might have been nearly impossible for Cinderella to be a woman without fortune living by herself. But like I said before, there is a certain narrative in Cinderella that’s problematic. In today’s times, we can’t help but wonder if Cinderella actually did try to escape her situation but probably got punished for trying to escape. Or, she realized that it was too difficult to live out on her own. Given how she was a maid/slave to her family, one can’t help but wonder if she could have been someone else’s maid but got paid for her labor. Edit: people need to remember that this movie was written in the 50s by *all* males. Cinderella gets rewarded for having a man by being a feminine, gentle, kind, pretty young woman. Think about it- Cinderella Nevers outright complains about her situation to her family. We can see that she gets upset about it, but she never screams at them to stop hurting her. The closest we got was when her step-sisters tore her dress and her step mom locked her in her room. Even then, she was protesting softly because that’s what feminine women are supposed to do, according to rigid gender norms at the time. And for some people who would say « but not all abuse victims scream when they’re getting abused » AGAIN, separate abusive victims from the 21st century to how Cinderella was written by all males who scripted her to act a certain way on *how* she gets abused. People want to complain about Cinderella being criticized for her femininity, yet people don’t acknowledge that a) Cinderella gets rewarded for her femininity throughout the film b) how her femininity makes her sisters and step mom make them more violent towards her because they’re more masculine than she is (I.e. being loud, not gentle, aggressive) and c) her family gets punished for being ugly and [more] masculine in the end. And to add on to my point- the film makes it very clear that being feminine would also mean that you have to act like it. While the stepfamily wore dresses, they weren’t behaving feminine. While Cinderella did wear rags (they still looked pretty feminine), she still behaved feminine. The film implied that being feminine has to be an internal and external thing. And if you’re both, you’ll be rewarded for it. You can like Cinderella the character, but also realized that her movie had some sexist/problematic things going on. Edit 2: I actually don’t like how they make pretty young women be kind when some of them can be downright cruel while some who are « ugly » can actually be the sweetest person that you’ll ever meet.
@@k.d3983 A lot of people in abusive households have needed the help of others in order to leave--yes even the help of men. A story about a lifelong abuse victim receiving outside help to escape her abuser is not in any way problematic. Otherwise, that would imply that real world abuse victims who needed help are also problematic, and they are certainly not. Not every story has to be about someone who is so amazing that they can save themselves from every situation. That's one of the most unrealistic tropes ever portrayed, in my opinion, both for men and women. Most human beings in general need help most of the time. It's highly rare to be the kind of person who can successfully make it through their entire life without ever needing help from anyone.
@@k.d3983 What you are saying is exactly the point. It's not sexist at all this is just feminists ranting. The Prince hardly has a role, as a matter of fact if it's so 'sexist' than that would go for the Prince as well as he is treated as an image for women to attain fortune and wealth by. The Stepmother is just an very evil woman and what makes her evil is that it's a very real scenario for many people especially women to have a abusive Stepmother or parent. If wasn't for the Godmother nothing would have happened so if any it's her who saved Cinderella and also the Prince basically.
Once, just once, I want an adaptation where the dynamics are flipped, and Cinderella is the awkward out of touch one, and the stepsisters are the beautiful and smart ones. And instead of destroying her dress, the stepmother actually lets her go, so she can completely humiliate herself in front of the prince with her clumsiness and tacky dress. The prince is the complete opposite, but instead of making up for or overlooking her odd quirks, together they make the quirks work for them. Like if she trips while they're dancing, he turns it into an elaborate dance move. That kind of thing. But the twist here is that instead of the night being magical, it's a nightmare because now she's starting to feel everything she was told growing up, about how embarrassing she is, and runs away when she finally can't take it anymore. Instead of using the slipper, the prince requests she show up at the palace for a dance. Why this is genius: all he girls that show up actually dance beautifully, including the stepsisters, so he KNOWS it's not her. Instead of before the ball, the fairy godmother shows up when Cinderella's hiding herself away, to show her a different perspective of the ball. Specifically, what the prince actually thought of her, and how he saw her, klutz and all.
Isn't this kind of like the Burnt-Face version? Where the Cinderella character is disfigured and her stepsisters are beautiful, but the prince falls for her anyway because she's a good person?
one of the only things that movie had going for it because the rest of the movie was trash. as someone who wore my copy AND the library's copy out, the book was a hundred times better
I think Cinderella was a strong woman in the Disney film. She kept a cheery attitude even though her household was abusive and wanted to enjoy herself at the ball.
Not mention how Cinderella saved herself by using her intelligence and friendships in the original Disney film. The movie has its faults, but you can't say Cinderella is a weak person. The lady has endured a lot.
For real! People saying it promotes just marrying for money--cinderella never wanted to go to the ball to get the prince, she just wanted to have one night of fun. She didn't even know she had danced with the prince until they started looking for her
YES I thought we were pass the "feminine women are weaker" way of judging the classic princesses, but I guess we aren't that's why I think the Disney live action did decent, and why I love the OG, cuz cindy is always true to herself and what she believes, even if people quickly assume she is weak for being a victim - like really??
THIS! She's never been my fav princess by far but her story resonated with me due to her home life. Finding a way to get away from it was I think always the point of the story, that she was more than that and found a way out. People turn the prince thing into her being weak. She didnt need saving, she needed a way out. And as Kiera Cass said "she just wanted a nice dress and a night off"
Thank you! A young woman who survived growing up in an abusive home with her own compassion, creativity and sense of self intact is a good message that too many people ignore. Considering how she grew up, the fact that she had the courage to defy her stepmother says a lot. Cinderella did take action to get out when opportunity presented itself, and it's also ok that she got help. Sometimes people need help to get out of a bad situation.
"Girls can have careers too!" Um, no shit. It's fricking 2021! Hell, in the American economy, a family that DOESN'T have both parents working is likely facing financial issues.
Or very rich. Imagining a life where both partners don't HAVE to work is more remarkable now. The message of this movie is so weird and irrelevant today, are the producers all like 80?
@@guokfdukknbgjk9416 Being better than other countries doesn't mean we shouldn't improve. A starving man with working legs shouldn't be "grateful" for not being paraplegic too. Things could get and should be better.
I never thought Cinderella was really “waiting around for a man to save her”. And when I was little and she married the Prince and became the Princess, I was like “heck yeah. She’s never gonna have to scrub a floor or sleep on a cot ever again. Good for her.” I definitely like Ever After better because in the end, she basically says “screw it. I’ve got nothing left to lose. I’ll save myself dang it”, but they still kept the Prince trying to help her get free. And the prince had way more personality and their relationship was way better developed. But as a kid, I never took “wait for a man to save you” from Cinderella. I took “treat people the way you want to be treated”, “be kind to little animals”, and “never turn your back on an open door” from Cinderella.
Me too! I never really thought about is as a love story. To quote the new Little Woman “marriage is an economic proposition” or at least was for many centuries. She got her chance and she took it. Even if there was no love, it was still a happy ending.
I’ve always viewed Cinderella as a story about a girl rescuing herself from an abusive household (which I think Ever After portrayed best because we saw her putting up with actual emotional abuse), so it kinda baffles me when people try to “modernize” the story by making her some kinda girl boss as if escaping abuse didn’t make her a strong character already.
Thank you for this! A young woman who survived growing up in an abusive home with her own compassion, creativity and sense of self intact is a good message that too many people ignore. Considering how she grew up, the fact that she had the courage to defy her stepmother says a lot. Cinderella did take action to get out when opportunity presented itself, and it's also ok that she got help. Sometimes people need help to get out of a bad situation.
i hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way but not all characters need to be quirky, girl-bosses, or relatable. having class and elegance is respectable. i don’t want to watch a movie where everybody throws in snippy one-liners as their only form of dialogue (and have it miss every time).
@@katherinealvarez9216 yeah like considering with abuse the cycle could keep going on and on, Cinderella chooses to be a kind and compassionate instead of taking the behaviors of her abusers which is a really good message and still holds up even today for some people who were the victims they end up as the perpetrators or just very pessimistic in general
okay but the og Cinderella isn't really agency-less. she was in an abusive relationship. her story was about breaking the cycle of abuse and showing compassion to the people around her even when she doesn't get the same. she didn't want to go to the ball to get a man, she just wanted a night out. in the ball scene she wasn't even looking for the prince, he seeks HER out and she only finds out he was the prince when her step mom tells her. her story was already pretty empowering. these people are ruining her message.
Didn’t the og Cinderella (not Disney) have her bird friends to peek out her step sisters (maybe step mom too?) eyes out as punishment? And they had cut their toes off and stuff to fit the shoe. So they were blind and like crippled? Yeah check out all the original stories Snow White and sleeping beauty…. Yikes!
Personally, my favorite take on the Cinderella story was Ever After. It gave a more down-to-earth feel on how the story played out while still giving Danielle her own agency that made sense due to her close relationship with her father. And also...Leonardo di Vinci as the replacement to the fairy godmother is just *chef's kiss*.
Ever After is definitely my favorite Cinderella version, too! I had such a crush on Dougray Scott after seeing it!! And Angelica Huston was such a deliciously Evil Stepmother.
I mean, I don't think Disney Movie's Cinderella ever had the prince as her primary goal. She wanted love, sure, but her goal was mostly to escape her abusers. I also feel like she had more agency than live action Disney Cinderella since she actually tried to escape multiple times. Meanwhile her live action counterpart just sort of... Sat there. Idk, a lot of people write her off as weak just because she didn't fight back against her abusers in a violent way. I feel like her story is a really good representation that kindness and hope are not inherently weak, but will get you through bad situations.
Yes! Disney Cinderella wasn't waiting for the prince and people never understand that and it's so annoying. The moral of Cinderella is that if you're kind the world will (eventually) be kind to you back. That's why the fairy godmother appears and she gets to go to the ball and enjoy herself and then as a side note marries the prince, while her step family lives miserably, because they weren't good people.
@@kassandrasiqueiros5969 I usually agree with Amanda, but her comments on the original Disney movie made me a bit heated. I think it's just that she wasn't familiar with it, but still. Cinderella is one of my favorite princesses, so it's frustrating that she just gets written off as some sort of misogynistic character. Kindness is not weakness, which is something modern movies seem not to get.
I actually really liked the Cinderella 2015 because feel it was a good balance of whimsical and portrayed Cinderella as someone who was being abused but had some agency herself, and it highlighted the message of kindness as Kassandra mentioned the entire point of the story is.
Yes! A young woman who survived growing up in an abusive home with her own compassion, creativity and sense of self intact is a good message that too many people ignore. Considering how she grew up, the fact that she had the courage to defy her stepmother says a lot. Cinderella did take action to get out when opportunity presented itself, and it's also ok that she got help. Sometimes people need help to get out of a bad situation.
Cartoon Jasmine just wanted to have a say in her own life. To not be forced to do something just because it is expected of her. I hardly think that's shallow. Cartoon Mulan fought for her spot by training above and beyond, and she did it out of love for her father. She was no more special than any other man that were training to be soldiers. She wasn't gifted with chi or any other superhuman strength. Somehow it feels like the live action princesses are downplaying the femininity of their characters. As though "feminine" qualities will always be inferior to "masculine" ones. That kindness, resilience, patience are too soft compared to power and ambition. How is it even uplifting their princesses when they replaced the feminine traits with masculine ones to show their value and progression?
I know for me (a man) my favorite princess is Ariel. Some people say she gave up her voice for a man, but she didn't. She had a dream of knowing what the human world is like and just wanting to live the human experience. She then see Eric for the first time and her desire to be human increases. The event to finally push her to get what she wants is when her father destroyed all of her possessions. She's a determined girl who won't stop at anything to achieve her goal and that inspired me as a kid. She didn't give up her voice for a man, she gave up her voice to become human. I hope that made sense 😅
@@ihatetheheat4524 I totally get what you mean! I always saw it as her drive for knowledge and curiosity combined with her infatuation with the Prince led her to Ursula. Like yeah, she definitely had a crush on the guy, but there was so much more than that. We get tons of scenes of her exploring human life and genuinely having fun with things we consider to be mundane, and I found that really inspiring.
Yo Disney Cinderella didn't need no man, she just wanted to get out one night from her shitty abusive family, and the prince went after HER. She's like 'nah fam I just wanna get out for a bit'.
Exactly. She didn’t go for the prince, she went to have fun. The prince was just a bonus. And she tried on the slipper not because of true love, but so she could get away from her abusive family
Well….you can’t deny that her having a man wasn’t an accident given how the movie came out in the 1950s. What people fail to realize that the writers at the time made Cinderella actually needed a man to escape from her abusive household. Why do you think that she was upset when her stepmother locked her in a closet just so she won’t go try her shoe on? We can acknowledge the pros of Cinderella but also acknowledging that the writers were on some bs. Edit: the writers who wrote Cinderella were all males. So, Cinderella was written through the males perspective and that needs to be taken into consideration, especially with how there are videos of people (usually women) criticizing the male gaze. If you look at the three original Disney princesses you’ll see that there’s a strong narrative of kind, young, gentle, *feminine*, pretty women being saved by young men (because they “deserved” it)b at the end and how the villains are older women who are jealous of the younger females beauty to the point they’ll cause them harm Andrew they have no men as their punishment. *Thats* problematic and needs to be discussed. Also, does it really make sense (and realistic) for an abused victim to marry a stranger and have a happily every after??? For all we know, he could have been a shitty ass man! Granted, the later Cinderella movies made him look kind (if I’m remembering correctly). Still, it was a risk for an abused victim to escape from an abusive household and maybe hoping that she won’t be in another abusive household.
Okay but she went to have fun and for it could be her chance to get rid of her abusive family by charming the prince. Her plans may not exactly be that she wanted a MAN but she did want the prince, she fantasized about it. and when they sang so this is love , they WERE IN LOVE. I think the message of the movie was money and status can do nothing for you if you're horrible person. Cinderella wanted freedom and love.
I hated the takeaway of Cinderella be read as 'wait for a man to save you'. Ella was kind to all the animals, never raised her voice, and after she had an experience with a man who genuinely made her feel good about herself, learned she deverved better. She didn't turn her back on an open door to get away from a bad household. In my opinion, the 1997 Cinderella best explored this by giving the Prince a personality, who saw Cinderella as an equal, and Cinderella decided to stop waiting for the Prince and leave on her own terms. In this essay, I will-
I teach first graders and literally, all of my girls have dream jobs that don't involve "princess" or "wife". Like, young girls already realize that women can have careers. The "wokeness" of this movie being, "hey, girls can have jobs and follow their dreams!" is about 30 years too late for most of America and many other places.
Thank you. Plus, if girls want to be princesses, what’s the problem? It’s what they want to do. What am I gonna tell them? No sorry you can’t be a princess because someone thinks it’s misogynistic.
@@twentysecondcenturywoman tbh being a princess would probably be better than most careers because you don't have to do much but get a lot of money and power. Maybe I'm missing something here but if I see a little girl saying she wishes she could be royalty I would just think that's understandable and go about my day.
When I was in kindergarten in the 90s, I said that my dream job was to be a mom, and I was immediately subjected to an enormous amount of psychological abuse and shaming over it. These day, girls are told from the time that they're born that their only value as a human being comes from the size of their paycheck; it's not progressive, it's exploitation.
@@caroldreamer Oh yes, the "if your dreams don't produce money, you're worthless" speech is overwhelming (and such a capitalist thing by the way, this idea that your identity as a human comes from your work it's so toxic).
I'm usually not a Twitter guy but this line is priceless: "James Corden is the most 'betrayed humanity to get plugged back into the Matrix as a TV/movie star person who ever lived."
My favorite exchange from that same thread: "He was good on his two episodes of Doctor Who, I’ll give him that much." "He's the reason I stopped watching Doctor Who."
Amazon Prime should have made an R rated Cinderella that follows more closely to the Brothers Grimm version. I can see a director like Guillermo Del Toro turning it into an elegant and stylish psychological horror drama, with plenty of romance still.
I love del Toro! But I'm glad he made Pans Labyrinth rather than the 40th version of Cinderella. Did you know Cornelia Funke made it a novel? I hope they work together more in the future
Why was Camila's voice so heavily autotuned? She's a singer! Yet every time she sang in this movie I constantly had to make sure that blood wasn't pouring out of my ears. 😖
And the thing is the movie is already feminist you don’t have to act like a man to be a feminist that’s what people don’t understand ,that’s what Hollywood makes it look like. Cinderella fights of her enemies with kindness
Honestly, want feminist fairytales? Do the Seven Ravens or Ali Baba. Or a Snowqueen that is not Frozen. Just stop with making Cinderella's that are not like other Cinderella's.
What's crazy to me about this obsession with making Cinderella "strong", is that most people's idea of Cinderella is shaped by the Disney version. And Walt Disney chose to adapt her story because he personally related to her and found her inspirational. So, clearly he didn't think she was weak and passive.
She wasn't ... she made the best of her situation and never lost hope or her kind nature. Given the abuse she went through, that means a lot. She's a strong character in her own right.
@@ussinussinongawd516 I dont think he's a role model at all. The dude and a 1 way window overlooking disneyland from his office, he was a creep. Still think it makes sense why he related to cinderella
Why do people keep trying to make Cinderella “strong” when I have a hard time thinking of something stronger than staying kind and courageous in the face of emotional and physical abuse. Oh right it’s because the media is incapable of seeing a woman as strong unless she shows traditionally “masculine” traits, like being crass and or physically strong or showing no emotion (unless being witty.) Not saying those are masculine traits, but I do think there’s a reason we always see those traits on “strong female characters”. I liked the live action Cinderella. While she could’ve done more to actively try and get out of her situation, she still managed to remain optimistic and kind, which is what eventually snagged her the prince. And the prince was so sweet, when he cried upon seeing her at the ball, I cried too, ahhhh- Sorry. I’m just sick of these tawdry girl boss stories. This one at least made some unique choices with it. I like that “I choose me” line too.
I mean in fairness, she had nothing to her name, no money, nobody to trust outside, nowhere to go. Honestly i think its a fair choice to stick with the devil you know than risk it on the streets
I always saw the live action version of her not doing more to "escape" as her not wanting to leave the house behind, since it had been her parents' and she had an emotional connection to it
I would include the part where Cinderella forces the step mother into servitude for the rest of her old days and is almost as brutal to her as she was to Cinderella, because I’M not a COWARD
You know it's funny how Disney loves to portray the struggles of a working girl (which is true enough), but forgets women in many places simply aren't allowed to pursue romantic relationships, at least not on their own terms and certainly not without stigma. For many girls, trying to have a romantic relationship is the same as risking their place in society and becoming a pariah. Would love to see a brown auntie (middle-aged South Asian woman) as a Disney villain.
Did everyone forgot that ella enchanted and ever after exists? I really like those renditions of the Cinderella story and ella in both are pretty awesome and bad ass. In ella enchanted she saves the prince instead of the prince saving her and it wasn't demeaning at all. In ever after there was no magic yet the story was super solid. If you haven't seen either of them I highly recommend both
@@AngelofGrace96 I recently discovered that It was a book lol a TH-camr called lost in adaptation made a review on both the book and movie and compared the two. He gave it high praise to both
I always thought Cinderella genuinely liked the prince. She didn't need any man but had fun with this one. Imagine you go out and have a pretty fun first date. You dance and talk. He is great. Your parents are gonna kill you if you are late and in the rush to get back home, you didn't give him your number. He thought you were interested too and tried to find you from mutual friends. Maybe he would have stopped if said you weren't interested, even after you he finds you. Why make him a villain or her a victim? Why not leave it as a cute love story? Why make him into an obsessive creep he is not? I get that women are not for only love stories. But she was kind, gentle and wanted love. She would make a good queen. You don't watch before sunrise movie and say, dude she just wanted to ride a train not have someone follow her all day. Maybe that wasn't her original interest but she found something nice.
@@midnightstudio9296 I get that. But maybe it felt right. We never hear the story of what happens after she leaves her home but before she marries him. If it's immediate, maybe it was the norm then. Like even in our country, our great grandparents usually got married without even seeing each other's faces. Not saying it's an ideal situation that girls of this age must follow. But maybe consider the fact that people and circumstances were quite different back then. Another perspective is a lesser romantic one. She was in a terrible place and here is an appealing solution. She might have heard good things about him, had great time, flattered about the length he went for her and decide to do that. Women do not usually have much autonomy. She might not even have the luxury to reject. I of couse want to believe my first version than this for obvious reasons 🙈
@@macaron3141592653 he built up a really good rapport with BTS among other groups, I'm thinking specifically of the Flinch game (which he does with other celebs as well, but I think the kpop groups are a really big draw). he's definitely not the only late night talk show host catering to kpop fans but he has one of the better reputations among BTS fans especially, to my knowledge
@@peonylarkspur645 Nah, all the respect we, ARMY, had for him gone just like has he still labels us as "15 y.o girls" like other useless western media. He even called BTS "unusual" guest attending the UNCA despite this is the third time BTS participate in UNCA. He was sus when he still talking about dynamite even though they already released new album with multiple songs.
Doesn’t Cinderella’s dream/fantasy is just being independent & free from her abusive family? She just wants someone to love her, she just happened find that love in a romantic form (luv ur vids amanda!)
@@forgotmyun I mean, if a fairy god mother gave me some badass looking shoes and a nice puffy dress, I too would like to use them until they got totally wasted because I had too much fun
Yeah, people accuse her of just wanting to marry a man and like. . .she never went to the ball with the intention of landing a man (but, and I say this as a feminist, that wouldn't be bad of her if she did, as in that time period it would be her best bet for escaping an abusive situation) she just wanted the same equal opportunity to go to the ball that every other woman was getting.
Yeah, but i really liked the fairy , not gonna lie. And the change they gave to the stepmother, like she and the stepsisters not completely hating cinderella but being more on the line of really selfish and self absorbed. It was a nice change. But the cgi...ugh.
@@nessyness5447 honestly I almost turned it off until the fairy came totally saved it. if this version didn't give James Corden so much unnecessary screen time and fixed the princess' timing with her suggestions, this would've been so much better
@@hayles_ the dresses were pretty too, i actually liked they did her dress silvery white...you know, like live action disney's cinderella should have been because the original animated dress was silvery. Tho i would have made the waist higher since camila is really short, and put something on the neck or to joing the neckline to the sleeves. But overall, cute design,the fairy's dress was better tho. And my favorite cinderella live action dresses still are the one from ever after and one from a prince of bel- air's halloween special, worn by Will's date to the party.
“There’s nothing wrong with focusing on a story that’s about love and romance.” THANK YOU. This is why I love your content, Amanda. I am so beyond sick of all these Disney remakes that make the princesses into insufferable women. If they were so worried about our generation being indoctrinated with this “damsel in distress” mentality, then how did I-a huge Disney fan as a kid-turn out to be gay? Shockingly, cartoons didn’t shape my choices in life. Weird, I know. Can Hollywood stop shaming women for falling in love now? Thanks.
As an aroflux asexual, I felt this comment. I didn't mind the classic Disney films nor felt the urge to be a "damsel in distress" in my life. I just kept living life and enjoyed the films for their animations and simple stories. These new stories are trying way too hard at something that isn't there/doesn't need to be tampered with.
I dont like the idea that a woman loving a man means giving up her agency. We shouldn't be teaching kids that a partner trying to take away your independence is normal...
You would've been gay no matter what lmao. If upbringing actually affected that, we'd have a lot more examples of it by now. So, speaking as a fellow LGBTQ person, that's not a good example of the point you're trying to make.
"If you don't do what I say, I'll make your little sister queen!" "Well, considering I feel restrained by the burden of future kingship, and that making her queen would STILL leave me a prince with all my wealth and coolness... yeah, okay. Do that."
@@RtistiqSkubie have you met the early pick-me girls from the start of 2010s? We walked so the new ones could run. We were annoying to boys and rude to other girls, terrible to female teachers and even worse to younger girls, it wasn’t until we met an older pick-me did we realize the error and moved on to actual equality.
The issue with the "pick me girl" insult is that its just another way for girls to bully each other. I got called a pick me girl the other day for not agreeing that make up is an art form lol. Sure there are girls who do things for male attention and im sure you know if you did or not in middle school, but I feel like its become a blanket term for "anyone I dont like who has male friends or enjoys male centric hobbies"
I just want to know what black-mail James Corden has on Hollywood because that is the only reason I can think of as to why he keeps getting cast in things.
I loved the 2015 version of Cinderella. It represented who Cinderella was as a person. Not some super mega bratty boss lady (which is how I feel most female leads are today). But as a strong, feminine, kind, loving women who suffered through years of abuse without giving up at least some hope. Even in her own pain she wanted to make sure that others were feeling better. And she worked to the best of her ability even to those she didn’t like. 2021 version of Cinderella stole that magic from her. I want women to be strong and confident. But as the woman they are and were meant to be. Not some overly pressured cliche female figure we see in our culture today.
@@sunsetskye483 No, but Cinderella 3 is, beautiful animation, catchy songs, funny jokes, genuinely entertaining amd engaging for absolutely no fucking reason at all. Its like going above and beyond on an extra credit assignment.
Hollywood writers seem to be pretty cynical when it comes to depicting women in relationships. She can either be the independent girl boss who don't need no man, or a house servant/baby factory with nothing in between.
So housewives are baby factories and house servants? 🙄 y’all are so annoying and disrespectful. So what if women have babies and take care of the household that’s life it happens in real life. And just because you don’t want to be that way doesn’t mean it’s negative or that these women shouldn’t be represented.
@@Las645 I don't think they're talking about housewives in general, rather the 'Stepford Wife' type of female character where their entire personality revolves around taking care of the house and kids with little consideration for their own thoughts and needs.
The thing with "girlboss" and female empowerment narratives is a LOT of it comes off as both bitter and FAR removed from reality. Women have been doing pretty damned well for a few decades and continuing to blame any issues faced by individual women on some *broad* societal limitation is VERY damaging imo. It absolves the abusers (companies, industries or individuals) doing that shit and it makes people bitter (men and women) I fucking LOVE me some female empowerment fantasy, but done poorly it's just.... annoying. More so because I LIKE the theme.
We don’t need any more corporate feminism movies, we really don’t. And of course there’s an obligatory scene where a victim forgives their abuser. Cool. Guys, can we just have a Cinderella retelling that explores the abuse she faces and the power in breaking away from her abusers and never forgiving them in the process? Because that’s what the original tale was about, though it seems many have forgotten that aspect.
Please. There's actually no need to forgive those who wronged you, you can let the pain behind but not "Yeah everything cool", that's actually a toxic message. Real people won't change that easily.
@@sunnydargonnel The 1997 Rodger and Hammerstein Cinderella the ending is legit Cinderella just closing the gate in her step-mother and sister's faces as she goes to the castle on her wedding day. No need to forgive and forget, just, bye.
@@sunnydargonnel Yeah, I always have mixed feelings when people say how you should forgive those who did bad things to you. And other people will try to make you forgive a certain person by bringing up the very small good things they've done to you or what they did is for your own good. It depends on the person if they will forgive the other.
Also the fact that some early versions have an ending where the stepfamily has their eyes plucked out by birds after the stepsisters cut off their heel/toes to fit the slipper.
@@ninarances9074 Yeah, "should" is the iffy word there. You owe nothing to your abusers, former or otherwise. It doesn't matter if your abusers have genuinely reformed and become better people, you have no obligation to let them back into your life if you don't wish to. And if they've truly become better people, or are attempting to, they'll understand that.
13:02 This is why I liked Ever After, because it was a realistic examination of the stepmom's lot in life with regard to the greater society - she was *terrified* when the father died, and with good reason. 1500s were not kind to old widows, so clawing and scraping a better life for her girls was as much for her own longevity as theirs, and at multiple points throughout the movie, you can see inklings of where she *might* have grown to love (or at least like) Cinderella had the father not died.
100%. Ever After added some nice historical touches. And the backstory they gave the stepmother was good. Plus Anjelica Huston as stepmom is A+ casting 😄
In 2021 Cinderella is a career woman. Nothing will beat Ever After. Danielle was a strong woman and the movie explains why she put up with the abuse- in order to work her Dad's farm and see to it's success. And omg that scene where she asks her stepmother "did you ever love me"? 😭😭😭😭 Danielle is the most fleshed out, realistic Cinderella character and Barrymore plays her perfectly.
The fact that I could both hate Rodmilla for her actions but also see how she was led to that situation and how she justified it in her mind is amazing. I do think she WANTED to try to at least care about Danielle, but it's clear that when she looks at her she sees the man who brought her to the manor and immediately left her there to run it alone(she literally begs him not to leave her). As she already has two daughters, we can assume she's a widow before marrying Danielle's father. So she's now lost two husbands and has a manor to take care of. Then add a living reminder of the person who got you into this situation. Add in the superiority complex of being born and raised nobility with a commoner step daughter and you see how her psyche is less than great. Not trying justify her actions, nothing justifies abuse, just showing how she likely justifies it to herself.
@@genera1013 I agree, she wasn't perfect and maybe she was actually a good person before her second husband died but she's probably had to raise her children alone after the first husband died and that would have been incredibly hard in that era especially since they're all women. I think if they wanted the stepmother in this remake be a character we can sympathize with they could have made her show small bits of care towards Cinderella. She'd still be cruel and manipulative but there would be moments where we can see that she does care in he own twisted way. Cinderella's clothing for example, she could have given her an amount of money to buy certain things and allowed her to keep the change which allowed Cinderella to buy things for herself. So although she disapproves of her dream and admonishes her for it she doesn't necessarily stop her either.
Yessss. She was a real woman not a character. She was strong and brave and sensitive and kind. She really embodied the divine feminine and it's awesome.
I know for me (a man) my favorite princess is Ariel. Some people say she gave up her voice for a man, but she didn't. She had a dream of knowing what the human world is like and just wanting to live the human experience. She then see Eric for the first time and her desire to be human increases. The event to finally push her to get what she wants is when her father destroyed all of her possessions. She's a determined girl who won't stop at anything to achieve her goal and that inspired me as a kid. She didn't give up her voice for a man, she gave up her voice to become human. I hope that made sense 😅
Cinderella is one of my favourite fairytale female characters. She's kind and strong, patient and hopeful. She's been through a lot but doesn't play the blame game. No, she did not wait for someone to save her, that's not why she stayed with her stepfamily. She didn't even know she was dancing with a prince at the ball.
Yeah, it kinda rubs me the wrong way how Amanda keeps making Cinderella out to be some helpless damsel in distress. Cinderella is an abuse victim who managed to remain kind, hopeful and loving to everyone throughout all that mental suffering. If that's not a strong character, I don't know what is.
"Oh, that clock! Old killjoy. I hear you, "Get up!" you say, "Time to start another day!". Even he orders me around. Well, there is one thing: They can't order me to stop dreaming." I think that's beautiful. Even though she's suffering badly, Cinderella never gave up hope, always kept a positive mental attitude. She was physically restricted by her abusers, but they could never have her mind. And, in the end, it's her determination, hopefulness, and kindness towards other unfortunate victims (the animals) that save her. The prince helped, of course. I'd argue that she just needed to form a relationship (romantic or otherwise) outside her household, and that was the push she needed to break her own chains. SHE is the one who faces up to her stepmother in the end, not the prince. He's not even present in the climax (he's barely in the movie, really).
Best cinderella story was Ever After, and I’m not a huge Barrymore fan. The prince fell in love with who she was and in the end she stood up for herself like a badass. You can’t tell me this version does that better.
The girl saves the prince's life by literally picking him up and carrying him away from the bad guys. Tell me there's something in this more bad-ass than that. You can't.
@Erwin Lii Funny about that is that it was a remake too- since it's a Roger's and Hammerstein musical. The original has the same storyline, but the production is more like a stage play, which is kind of fun. So the reason they kept so much diversity (it seems like) in the cast (like the queen being black, the king being white and the prince being Filipino, was to retain that sort of 'stage play' casting feel. But that whole adaptation was interesting too, as it gave the Prince a story as well. In the end, the same story is that Cinderella wanted freedom, she just /happened/ to fall in love with a prince.
The most charming version of Cinderella ever made, in my opinion, is “Ever after” with Drew Barrymore. It’s an actual full romance that respects both the prince and Cinderella as people. Just sayin lol no others need seem to measure up
Just realized this, but Billy Porter's character is supposed to be genderless... The name of his character is the Fabulous GodMOTHER. Swing and a miss there.
The thing about Cinderella though is she isn’t waiting for a prince, she sings about dreaming of a better life and how stuck she is in her family. She wants to go to the ball to get a chance to go out and see the world and dance and have fun, not just to meet and marry the prince. In fact she has every expectation that this is gonna be her one night of freedom she knows it all ends at midnight and she is ok with that. She likes the prince but it’s only when she discovers he is looking for her that she sees her opportunity. I think being extremely kind and caring in the face of abuse is a really great message! For me the message wasn’t waiting around to be rescued it was taking big risks and believing in your dreams and maintaining kindness
This was the main reason (besides cabello’s signing style of choice) to not watch this film lol that dress is supposed to iconic and she’s supposed to be a dressmaker?? Lol nah
IKR tbh the dress she was about to wear for the ball, while I like the color since it was reminiscent from the animated version of Cinderella, was incredibly underwhelming. I’d say even Belle’s dress from the Beauty and beast live action looked far better compared to hers-
The feminist message was the most ham-fisted I have literally ever seen in media. It was both lazy and distracting. There were so many better ways to convey things than to constantly have male characters going "PFFFT! A LADY ENTREPRENEUR!? How silly!" and then repeat it over and over again. The princess introduction was so poorly handled I didn't know who she was until several scenes after. She also spouts off vague progressive ideas and that's it, that's her character. There are also several scenes that are utterly pointless (like the whole front tail thing) and just destroy any sense of pacing. Also, the dress Ella makes is just... weirdly ugly. Like she's set up to be an amazing designer but the two dresses she actually made with her own hands were terrible. Just unpleasant, ugly, poorly designed messes (pink and tan tulle???). When the princess is revealed wearing the dress it's a wide shot and every follow up shot is her from the shoulders up, hiding as much of the dress as possible. GOD and the cinematography??? Good cinematography works in one of two ways and will alternate between the two. Unnoticeable and so good you can't help but notice and be pleased. The way scenes are framed, shot reverse shots, how the camera is positioned looking at the actors and the worst part is how it functions during the big dance scenes. It's usually just static shots that makes it hard to track all the action because there is little focus, just fits as many people in the shot as possible and look at them dance! THEN when it's focused on one person the camera is often way too close, and the actor from the shoulders up is all that's in the shot for way too long! I was legitimately shocked at how bad this movie was. But the original song was nice when it wasn't being bungled.
and it's not even feminism it's girlboss feminism....the laziest of feminisms. because women HISTORICALLY were dressmakers (mantua shops) so her trying to sell her dresses wouldn't have been met with the same dismissal as it did in the movie...I was like...wtf....
The whole career thing reminds me of the beginning of the new Charlie's Angels 😂 It would be great if they would rather invest money into making movies about powerful women in history. Something like The Duchess. There's just so many stories about women who went againts social norms etc. Like Madame de Pompadour basically ruled whole France from behind the doors. Not to mention that most wealthier women basically managed running their houses and took care of economy of the house etc. Which seems like a lot of work to me.
@@user-ok4xb1rd9f Olga of Kiev is one of my favorite people in history. The first woman to rule (Medieval) Russia who used her wits and military strategy to systematically and utterly destroy the people who murdered her husband. She then essentially transformed her kingdom from a loose affiliation of tribes and tributes into a proper kingdom that would shape Slavic culture moving forward. When her son came of age she continued to rule whenever he was campaigning and ended up as a saint after she died.
The 1950s Cinderella is crapped on a lot, but I think it’s more empowering than this “girl boss” movie. There’s a quiet strength and dignity in making the best of a bad situation and not letting the abuse corrupt you. I really don’t care for Cinderella movies who are like “I don’t need no man-I’m already awesome.” That wasn’t the point of the 1950 Cinderella
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 The folly in that notion is that people don't understand you can be a badass without actually _kicking_ ass, in the literal sense.
I agree with most of the comments...but even Cinderella didn't realize that she had met the prince at the ball, just enjoying the moment with this guy in formal military gear while losing track of time. Never thought she was waiting to "escape her cage". Yes, we saw that it was a horrible situation, but she was just trying to have a good moment in the life of hardship.
my favourite cinderella adaptation is Ever After, A Cinderella story, where the story is set in non magical 17th century france, the cinderella character Danielle is super passionate about servants rights, and Leonardo da Vinci is the fairy godmother. It's so good. I love it a lot.
I still think the best Cinderella adaptation is Ever After. All the characters are well-rounded, even the step-mother showing some genuine care at some points without it making her actions seem unmotivated, and things aren't over-simplified, they have weaknesses and strengths, and Danielle (or Cinderella) saves herself in the end. The framework of it being a real love story that was simply reduced to a fairytale is also very beautiful.
Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it I read the book version of Ella enchanted first. Because I loved it and i had high expectations I was let down on the movie version. Though i did love the part where she sang somebody to love
Me too, then i looked it up and it was made by Sony and Fulwell 73, amazon is just where they stream it, aparently Sony wants to milk Cinderella although Disney already did it with the live-action remake on 2015, so who knows how the sales are gonna be.
I always loved the narrative symmetry of 50's Cinderella. Her first act is sassing the clock for getting on her case "Even he orders me around" but insists that nothing will break her spirit. Then she hears that a mouse is in a trap and frees, clothes and names him (as she has probably done for all the other animals). A few scenes later, we meet the stepmother and Cinderella faces harsh punishment for allowing the mice anywhere near her (her kindness is punished but she still does it), and Cinderella is framed in barred shadows just like the cage she freed Gus from- here is her cage. When the mice find out she won't have the chance to fix her dress on top of the 100 other chores, they choose to make her dress the same way she made clothes for every one of them. The clothes are tied with escape from the cage, even if it's just for one night out where she gets to be a real person. She is 100% not sitting around to be saved to become a baby maker. She wants a night out, the prince is just gravy. She stands up for herself to her family where she can (i.e. "I'm invited to the ball too, it says _every_ eligible maiden") and needing help to escape a financially, emotionally and physically abusive family she's been stuck with since childhood is hardly something to be ashamed of. Not letting that abuse twist her heart is something to be really proud of, too.
With the resume Idina Menzel has, I’m kinda surprised she agreed to do this movie like.. she’s like musical royalty this almost feels below her. Like.. Camilla Cabillo: Singer. James Corden: talk show host and comedian and very occasional actor in musicals for some reason The guy that plays the prince: Barely any credits on IMDB compared to everyone else. Like she’s been doing Broadway and movie musicals so much more than the rest of the cast. Billy Porter is probably the only one that can hold a candle to her she probably got paid a ton to do this movie and have her name on it lol
Amazon attempts to pander and be woke with their Cinderella and yet “Ever After”, which came decades before, showed an absolutely strong, independent, yet 100% feminine and powerful Cinderella. And “Ever After” did it successfully without having to pander.
I watched this movie and out of the 2 hour run time, I felt joy for roughly 30 seconds when James Acaster and Romesh Ranganathan broke out in song and didn’t appear dead inside for a brief moment.
As a Brit, I can honestly say that it was a great day for my country when James Corden decided to go live in the USA. A great many of my countrymen rejoiced , for having that useless bag of bile removed from our land .
The Drew Barrymore Ever After: A Cinderella Story will always be my favorite adaptation of the story. Was able to update the story without trying too hard. Also Anjelica Huston gave probably the most layered performance as the stepmother. This feels like it has a whiff of desperation to it "This isn't like all those other Cinderella movies! She's strong and badass in this one!"
There's definitely a common theme with remaking of classic stories where the directors/writers always seem have the female protagonist fall into the 'not like other girls' trope
I like the concept of this for the most part, but also I get frustrated when people are that critical of the original Disney Cinderella. Like, the original had problems, but I hate it when people say Cinderella was weak because she didn’t save herself. Like, she was in an abusive household, and sometimes people don’t know how to get out of that. And she didn’t want to go to the ball to find a prince to save her, she just wanted to have fun. That’s the whole reason the prince liked her, because she wasn’t in it for the marriage, and she wasn’t expecting to be saved. She was a strong character because of how she stayed positive and innocent even when surrounded by negativity, abuse, and hatred.
Ella Enchanted did the Queen-covers-in-a-Cinderella-adaptation first, how dare they Also, there's nothing in the original tale that Cinderella went to the ball with any specific goal other than a ball! Magical! Honestly the prince thing happened more because the default reward for being a good person and protagonist in many folktales is instant class boost.
My personal favourite version of Cinderella is The Slipper and the Rose. It's not very well known but it's the most realistic and contextually accurate version. Made in the 70s, it lays out the hopelessness of Cinderellas situation, shows why the stepmother is the way she is as a single woman having to find her daughter's a good match, it shows a lot more of Prince and how he feels about the situation and why he's reluctant to marry, and it gives the fairy godmother an actual character and story. Also, it continues on from when the Prince and Cinderella decide to marry and shows the political challenges that come with it. Its a beautiful movie with incredible costumes and sets, fantastic music by the people who did Mary Poppins, and truly interesting characters and plot. Also, it's the queens favourite movie, so it must be good 😂
The Disney Cinderella was empowering. She didn't let other people get her down. She stayed true to her personal beliefs and didn't just give up and accept how her life sucked. She got the loving family she wanted with the Prince and as a princess, she could help the people of the kingdom and just be happy. Her goal was her own happiness. Not every woman wants to have an incredible career. Or go to space. Or whatever else. You can be a feminist and not be all "I don't need a man to help me". She didn't need a man, she wanted one and wasn't going to settle for any guy that could help her get away. She was young and pretty. Am sure there would have been a few men of different ages and financial positions that would have been happy to have her. My face Cinderella remake is Ever after. I think it has the girl power story while still having all the Cinderella romance that people liked.
Whoever think about putting them in this is out of their mind. I feel so bad of them :( People who only know them from this movie is gonna think they suck
I find it funny how the movie is constantly saying that the prince's sister is the best candidate to be the successor to the kingdom, but they never do something to truly show why
I mean, she shows an actual interest in running the kingdom and constantly talks about her plans. She has plans to alleviate poverty, stop selling cannons etc. So, in that way, they did show her being a better successor given the prince has no plans at all.
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Guys I completely forgot the Ever After is a Cinderella reimagining because it is simply that good... I also haven't watched it since I was like 13
One adaptation that seems to be almost unknown outside of Germany (it's a Christmas classic here) and probably Czecho-Slovakia is "Three Wishes for Cinderella" ("Tři oříšky pro Popelku"/"Drei Haselnüsse für Aschenbrödel" - because she gets three magical hazelnuts as a gift, none of that fairy godmother stuff). Which is quite a shame, because it's such a good one, especially for the early 70s.
She not only steals the prince's horse, but also joins his hunt in one of the outfits she gets and outshoots everyone, and messes with him a couple times more.
@@rolfs2165 I know I love it. But it only exists in Czech and German, so most people will never see this gem.
i shall go down in history as the man who opened a door!
@@rolfs2165 that sounds awesome
@@rolfs2165 My grand-parents watch it every Christmas season!
Repeat after me: You can write strong women and have decent female progtagonists without portraying every single man in the movie as a creep, a sexist, or an idiot.
In fact, actually portraying the male characters as... _actual charcters_ can make the female characters even BETTER, because it makes them appear strong and intelligent in a tangible, belivable way, as opposed to "least idiotic character by default".
We can write strong women and have decent female progtagonists without portraying every single man in the move as a creep, a sexist, or an idiot. Amen 🤗
Periodt
It's actually an insult to women when that happens.
@@Raya-ir4tm well i mean to be fair men have never in their lives had to work to earn respect so maybe it isn't so bad lol
The original Cinderella wasn’t looking for a man either, though. She just wanted to get out of the fucking house and have a night of fun and glamour, and just HAPPENED to meet the love of her life.
To be honest i am not against giving her the designer motivation, but making it so women just aren't allowed to work in the kingdom was unnecessary. Also, since they made her relationshio with the step mother and sisters more complex by them not being complete hateful abusers , like they still make her do housechores, but they seem to appreciate her to some extent, i don't know, would have liked if they went deeper into that.
@@nessyness5447 its also fucking stupid lol working class women have ALWAYS worked throughout history and that definitely would be what cinderella is (even if her step family arent)
@@nessyness5447 women aren't allowed to WORK?
HOW THE FUCK DO THEY ECONOMY!?
@@haku8135 Not allowed to work FOR PAY. They do plenty of work.
But that isn't really true in the society depicted either. It is a good idea that was poorly written and not fully realized.
Technically the original Cinderella got her sandal stolen by a hawk and the hawk dropped it in the Pharaoh's lap. And the Pharaoh took it as a sign from the gods to marry the woman who the sandal belonged to.
An often-overlooked element from the animated Disney Cinderella is that she did not go to the ball to meet the prince, and even after meeting him didn't realize who it was until the next day. She just wanted to have a good time.
Yeah, I was thinking when she was talking about that.
Hadn't she MET the prince at the party and just went in the first place because she thought it'd be fun? Her life SUCKED, all she wanted was to go to a ball and have a lovely night.
@@haku8135 yeah, like, if she didn't meet the Prince her life would have jsut returned to how it was before, except she'd have some nice memories of a fun night, and that's all she wanted
yes
EXACTLY!! I think about this all the time. Cinderella never even said she wanted to escape her life with her step family, she was never looking for a way out let alone waiting for someone to "save" her
I can’t stand when there’s mention about her waiting to become a “baby maker” but this element is passed over. She doesn’t spend the whole movie wanting a man to save her.
I can’t stop thinking about James sexually assaulting the air. The “oh wow” was the icing on the cake. Real life is great comedy.
Corden thrusting his groin at drivers was disgusting.
@@craigusselman546 in a mouse onesie 😭
@@craigusselman546 I swear that annoying odious man is in everything these days *smh* . He's so full of himself aswell.
Ok first of all, even Cinderella in the OG cartoon wasn’t just waiting for a man. The good sis legit just wanted a night off. Snagging the prince was a plus.
She didn't even recognize the prince after dancing with him the whole night lmao homegirl told him "I haven't met the prince" before running away... from the prince....
Same with Ariel. Her dream was to explore the surface world. Getting to date the prince was just the catalyst to making her decision. Also, maybe a little bit, to piss of her dad, lol
I always say it was just a sweet, sweet bonus. She wanted to go to a party.
Yeah, prince kind of was her prize for being a good person to be honest.
i say happy feet ♡
The funny thing is that their whole "girls should have careers!" message is portrayed with two characters wanting to be a seamstress and a queen. Two careers that women have historically had access to. If you wanted a girlboss message you shouldn't have been a coward about it. Make cinderella a blacksmith
Yeah I mean her name already has “cinder” in it.
If anything that makes it more realistic no? Although I'd like to see more diverse jobs in girl boss roles/films. I'd choose the blacksmith in Knights Tale over the princess any day.
especially since... what's the message for the modern woman's audience? Women's careers are pretty commonplace. ?? It makes me remember that Emma Watson's Bell invented a machine to do laundry. Yeah. Not an being a author, not a publisher, but LAUNDRY.
@@RedMoonSolitary right? We literally don't need another movie about a woman working in fashion because every woman in rom coms works in fashion. No young girl in 2021 feels banned from being a fashion designer.
@@RedMoonSolitary the film was wrong on so many levels. Like how Emma thought corsets were evil when they are literally bras or how every woman is illiterate and not allowed to read despite the fact they were and Beauty and the Beast was written and published by a woman in a magazine.
It’s strange that a movie whose theme is “don’t give up your career for a relationship” has the prince dropping the crown for the girl EVEN THOUGH he expressed earlier he actually wanted to be king.
Honestly, imagine giving up a kingship in a world where just kings and fair monarchies exist.
@@turner15 give up the position to be king over a girl? Love is overrated anyways 😶
It would have made a lot more sense if they'd written the prince to not want to be king. Then it also would have been more satisfying to see his sister, who clearly wanted to improve the kingdom, be named the next in line.
I think is different and I like it
@@winterinbloom yeah the characterization is so lacking
I am sorry, I call out BS on anyone trying to say that Cinderella was "waiting around to be saved". Cinderella is actually a great role model. She didn't let the constant horrific abuse she was going through at the hands of her step mother and sister change her and her core values. And all the girl wanted was a night out, to escape for a bit and forget about her troubles. It was never about the prince. Finding love was just a bonus, or maybe even good karma resulting from her kindness and strength.
Also if marrying is the only escape to her terrible situation - or at least an easy way out - then it makes sense she'd get married quickly to someone, a *prince* even 😭
@@aude1415 yeah and for women in that era, marriage was often the only way out of your current situation
Say it louder! Cause apparently these days a lot of people seem to sleep on her strong personality and kindness. They'd be like oH yEaH sHe wAs wAiTinG tO bE rEsCuEd just cause she got married in the end. So, her getting married makes her a damsel in distress who needs savig? Why?
people be like: You're only cool when you're tough and don't-ever-need-a-man type. Pfft.
What's wrong with getting married? You don't wanna get married, fine. Don't get married. But looking down on people who do isn't cool either.
one of my favorite quotes of all time: “cinderella didn’t ask for a man. she asked for a night out and a dress”
@@aude1415 excellent point! It's a reality that people sometimes get married to escape an abusive situation or poverty. That doesn't make them weak. Privileged people don't understand that not anyone has the means to up and leave just like that.
Am I the only one who thought the prince as a character felt empty? Like I was more attached to Cinderella 3's prince. That guy jumped out of a window and ran away from his own wedding with the line: "The talking mice say she's the wrong girl."
Nostalgia critic just did this one LOL it’s so great
Cinderella 3's prince is the gold standard.
Cinderella 3 Prince Charming is an icon
The prince in Disney's live-action Cinderella is also pretty good. At least he kinda gets his own arc about losing his father, becoming king, and changing how things are done in the kingdom.
I mean yeah. He was my least fav character.
this film is actually good because it might be the catalyst for us to get rid of James Corden once and for all
Straight to the bin says I
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access if cats and the emoji movie weren’t enough then nothing can stop him from being in bad movies
I was thinking the same thing lol
Maybe it really will come true!!
And replace him with James Acaster
Apparently he's not a terribly nice person in real life, either. Bit disappointing. The only thing I think I liked him in was that episode (it might have been 2 episodes) of Dr Who
The irony of Amazons Cinderella is that its a girl boss movie that is somehow more sexist than the actual time period its set. Women have worked as seamstresses for many centuries, and for much of that time it was one of the few jobs they could work. Nobody in real life would have bat an eyelid at Cinderella wanting to be dressmaker.
Not to mention working class women have ALWAYS worked?? Like theyre working class, you expect they could survive on one wage alone?? Cinderellas family isnt working class, but SHE is, shes stripped of all her wealth and belongings. I just- ugh
Another Cinderella adaptation did this way better: the Glasslipper with Leslie Karon. She wanted to go to the fall so she could apply for a job at the palace so she could escape the abusive family that took over her home.
Right?? Its like minimal effort token feminism.
Cinderella trying to get a job as a seamstress in the palace makes waay more sense. And you can still have the tension between the step mum and Cinderella, because someone of her 'family house' working as a seamstress wouldn't go down well for the step mums reputation.
it feels like their route is almost always "actual history? who cares!"
YEEEES UGH It was just so Saad: like the whole thing with the stepmother "uugdhs no one would take a businesswoman seriously" BUH WHO DO U THINK DESIGNED THE CORSET SHE'S WEARING- wich as per usual they did so dirty ._.)
I feel like our culture has overcorrected and gotten a really bad attitude towards romance in general. There is nothing weak about falling in love. Nowadays it feels like people see romance as making you a worse person, it's actually really bitter and toxic.
THIS! Thank you for pointing this out, I'm so tired of this.
I agree. It's okay to fall in love - but don't invest all your self-worth in your partner. This is a problem I see in a lot of romances like Twilight.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 Oh Twilight is freak show for a lot of reasons, 😂 I think the only reason it was so successful was because it played on the Beauty and the Beast Archetype which has historically always been quite popular especially with teen girls. I'm not knocking the archetype BTW, there are many great works of fiction that play off of it. I agree that you absolutely shouldn't find self worth in a partner, but there's nothing wrong with being fully devoted to and deeply in love with them
Romance is dead and everything's hypersexualized now.
That's all people focus on or at least it really seems like it.
@@loli_cvnt5622 Amen to that, people are so worried about certain themes being degrading to women, but they don't seem to mind sexually degrading women.
Woman needing saving in any way = toxic
Woman being hypersexual = liberating
TOXIC mindset
People seem to forget that Cinderella lived in an abusive household where she had little to no freedom. She wasn’t helpless because she was weak, she was trapped and just surviving one day at a time in her terrible life until she got the chance to have a night to herself, where she fell in love. Her story is about an abuse victim looking for an out.
She's also one of the strongest women in animation.
Look at her life!
She lives like that every single day, and she's still SUPER fucking positive. How many modern women go mental when their damn Starbucks order is wrong? Cinderella was always an inspirational character, changing her just makes her worse.
Contemporary social justice and its acolytes can't go further than surface level interpretations of things. Even a fairly simple fairy tale is too complicated for them.
And yeah, I know this is Amazon banking on what are basically trendy topics right now, but my point still stands.
There was a retelling I read that real dived into that idea (I don't know the name off the top of my head) and ended with the Cinderella character not actually in a relationship, as both she and her love interest thought it was important for her to find her own footing in the world outside her abusive family. It wasn't the best book, but it did good job.
I’ve never liked how close accusing Cinderella of waiting for a man to save her is to victim blaming. If that girl could get herself out of that household she would have done it already. She had nowhere to go. No money. No connections. Also I really don’t see the issue of the prince maybe saving the person he loves from an abusive situation. Like wouldn’t we all do that if we could.
@@hollyro4665 in addition, she didn’t go to the ball to meet a man! She just wanted a night off, and people seem to forget she doesn’t know she met the prince until the next day.
Wait. She gets torn down for wanting to be a seamstress? That's like, one of the most valid and common jobs that women did historically to earn an income. That's hardly girl-bossing.
SERIOUSLY THAT IRKS ME BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEW CAREERS WOMEN COULD OPT TO BE IN
I swear!! There were many single or independent women in ye olde times and they were usually seamstresses, bakers, tutors or something like that. Traditionally feminine jobs but jobs nonetheless and they were able to earn enough to remain spinsters if they wanted. Or they worked in performing arts
It wasn't wanting to be a seamstress it was for wanting to be the boss of her own career because only men could own property and handle finances.
Like a comment adobe, make her a blacksmith!
@@BlazeDupree1525 Which is weird, because those two restrictions were pretty unusual historically.
I mean, og Cinderella wasn’t out for a man, wasn’t trying to get someone to save her, and ultimately saved herself through her own acts of kindness to others (specifically to the animals). Her relationship with the prince was what gave her a vehicle to escape her abusive situation and a path to a happier life. I’ve never thought that that movie was about needing a man to save you, that just seems somewhat ridiculous to me.
if you look at the original Disney movies, you’ll notice that being kind and pretty always makes the girl get a man in the end. While the ugly women don’t get the men, and they’ll be punished for not behaving feminine enough. It’s not a coincidence that this trope happens. And, has anyone noticed that in the original Disney princess films, the villain is always an older, « ugly » woman who exhibits more masculine traits and is jealous of the main females beauty?
“Her relationship with the prince was what gave her a vehicle to escape her abusive situation and a path to a happier life.”
Which is what people criticize the film for doing - that Cinderella actually *needed* a man to escape from her abusive household. For the nuance, it makes sense given how it might have been nearly impossible for Cinderella to be a woman without fortune living by herself. But like I said before, there is a certain narrative in Cinderella that’s problematic. In today’s times, we can’t help but wonder if Cinderella actually did try to escape her situation but probably got punished for trying to escape. Or, she realized that it was too difficult to live out on her own. Given how she was a maid/slave to her family, one can’t help but wonder if she could have been someone else’s maid but got paid for her labor. Edit: people need to remember that this movie was written in the 50s by *all* males. Cinderella gets rewarded for having a man by being a feminine, gentle, kind, pretty young woman. Think about it- Cinderella Nevers outright complains about her situation to her family. We can see that she gets upset about it, but she never screams at them to stop hurting her. The closest we got was when her step-sisters tore her dress and her step mom locked her in her room. Even then, she was protesting softly because that’s what feminine women are supposed to do, according to rigid gender norms at the time. And for some people who would say « but not all abuse victims scream when they’re getting abused » AGAIN, separate abusive victims from the 21st century to how Cinderella was written by all males who scripted her to act a certain way on *how* she gets abused. People want to complain about Cinderella being criticized for her femininity, yet people don’t acknowledge that a) Cinderella gets rewarded for her femininity throughout the film b) how her femininity makes her sisters and step mom make them more violent towards her because they’re more masculine than she is (I.e. being loud, not gentle, aggressive) and c) her family gets punished for being ugly and [more] masculine in the end. And to add on to my point- the film makes it very clear that being feminine would also mean that you have to act like it. While the stepfamily wore dresses, they weren’t behaving feminine. While Cinderella did wear rags (they still looked pretty feminine), she still behaved feminine. The film implied that being feminine has to be an internal and external thing. And if you’re both, you’ll be rewarded for it. You can like Cinderella the character, but also realized that her movie had some sexist/problematic things going on. Edit 2: I actually don’t like how they make pretty young women be kind when some of them can be downright cruel while some who are « ugly » can actually be the sweetest person that you’ll ever meet.
no fairytale ever was about women needing men to save them, its just what some crazy ppl made the disney classics out to be
@@k.d3983
A lot of people in abusive households have needed the help of others in order to leave--yes even the help of men. A story about a lifelong abuse victim receiving outside help to escape her abuser is not in any way problematic. Otherwise, that would imply that real world abuse victims who needed help are also problematic, and they are certainly not.
Not every story has to be about someone who is so amazing that they can save themselves from every situation. That's one of the most unrealistic tropes ever portrayed, in my opinion, both for men and women. Most human beings in general need help most of the time. It's highly rare to be the kind of person who can successfully make it through their entire life without ever needing help from anyone.
@@k.d3983 What you are saying is exactly the point. It's not sexist at all this is just feminists ranting.
The Prince hardly has a role, as a matter of fact if it's so 'sexist' than that would go for the Prince as well as he is treated as an image for women to attain fortune and wealth by. The Stepmother is just an very evil woman and what makes her evil is that it's a very real scenario for many people especially women to have a abusive Stepmother or parent.
If wasn't for the Godmother nothing would have happened so if any it's her who saved Cinderella and also the Prince basically.
Yeah if anything i got you need someone to lend you a hand everyonce in awhile to help lead you to a better path
Once, just once, I want an adaptation where the dynamics are flipped, and Cinderella is the awkward out of touch one, and the stepsisters are the beautiful and smart ones.
And instead of destroying her dress, the stepmother actually lets her go, so she can completely humiliate herself in front of the prince with her clumsiness and tacky dress.
The prince is the complete opposite, but instead of making up for or overlooking her odd quirks, together they make the quirks work for them. Like if she trips while they're dancing, he turns it into an elaborate dance move. That kind of thing.
But the twist here is that instead of the night being magical, it's a nightmare because now she's starting to feel everything she was told growing up, about how embarrassing she is, and runs away when she finally can't take it anymore.
Instead of using the slipper, the prince requests she show up at the palace for a dance.
Why this is genius: all he girls that show up actually dance beautifully, including the stepsisters, so he KNOWS it's not her.
Instead of before the ball, the fairy godmother shows up when Cinderella's hiding herself away, to show her a different perspective of the ball. Specifically, what the prince actually thought of her, and how he saw her, klutz and all.
Why not, rewriting all our heroes as evil and villains as good is popular now.
Oh this retelling. I want this kind of retelling.
Yes yes YES
Damn. Wish I was a producer so I could buy your story.
Isn't this kind of like the Burnt-Face version? Where the Cinderella character is disfigured and her stepsisters are beautiful, but the prince falls for her anyway because she's a good person?
No fairytale movie can cover “Somebody to love” like Ella Enchanted.
Period
Fact
Without a doubt. I also love the version in happy feet😂
one of the only things that movie had going for it because the rest of the movie was trash. as someone who wore my copy AND the library's copy out, the book was a hundred times better
Their version of "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" has a special place in my heart.
I think Cinderella was a strong woman in the Disney film. She kept a cheery attitude even though her household was abusive and wanted to enjoy herself at the ball.
Not mention how Cinderella saved herself by using her intelligence and friendships in the original Disney film. The movie has its faults, but you can't say Cinderella is a weak person. The lady has endured a lot.
For real! People saying it promotes just marrying for money--cinderella never wanted to go to the ball to get the prince, she just wanted to have one night of fun. She didn't even know she had danced with the prince until they started looking for her
YES
I thought we were pass the "feminine women are weaker" way of judging the classic princesses, but I guess we aren't
that's why I think the Disney live action did decent, and why I love the OG, cuz cindy is always true to herself and what she believes, even if people quickly assume she is weak for being a victim - like really??
THIS! She's never been my fav princess by far but her story resonated with me due to her home life. Finding a way to get away from it was I think always the point of the story, that she was more than that and found a way out. People turn the prince thing into her being weak. She didnt need saving, she needed a way out. And as Kiera Cass said "she just wanted a nice dress and a night off"
Thank you! A young woman who survived growing up in an abusive home with her own compassion, creativity and sense of self intact is a good message that too many people ignore. Considering how she grew up, the fact that she had the courage to defy her stepmother says a lot. Cinderella did take action to get out when opportunity presented itself, and it's also ok that she got help. Sometimes people need help to get out of a bad situation.
I appreciate that your reviews can save me from watching films sometimes 😅
Cinderella is an independent woman who needs no man
Yup
Sometimes they don’t end up being as bad as I anticipated and sometimes James Corden talks about peeing with his front tail
Likewise, I watch Amanda's reviews instead of the actual subject!
Man don't we all OT don't we all
"Girls can have careers too!"
Um, no shit. It's fricking 2021! Hell, in the American economy, a family that DOESN'T have both parents working is likely facing financial issues.
Or very rich. Imagining a life where both partners don't HAVE to work is more remarkable now. The message of this movie is so weird and irrelevant today, are the producers all like 80?
LMAO american economy is literally better than almost %60 countries, you little ungrateful kids will never understand the privilege you have.
@@guokfdukknbgjk9416 Being better than other countries doesn't mean we shouldn't improve. A starving man with working legs shouldn't be "grateful" for not being paraplegic too. Things could get and should be better.
I never thought Cinderella was really “waiting around for a man to save her”. And when I was little and she married the Prince and became the Princess, I was like “heck yeah. She’s never gonna have to scrub a floor or sleep on a cot ever again. Good for her.” I definitely like Ever After better because in the end, she basically says “screw it. I’ve got nothing left to lose. I’ll save myself dang it”, but they still kept the Prince trying to help her get free. And the prince had way more personality and their relationship was way better developed. But as a kid, I never took “wait for a man to save you” from Cinderella. I took “treat people the way you want to be treated”, “be kind to little animals”, and “never turn your back on an open door” from Cinderella.
Me too! I never really thought about is as a love story. To quote the new Little Woman “marriage is an economic proposition” or at least was for many centuries. She got her chance and she took it. Even if there was no love, it was still a happy ending.
Exactly. She saw her chance to leave and took it.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
Yes!! Totally agree
Exactly!!
I’ve always viewed Cinderella as a story about a girl rescuing herself from an abusive household (which I think Ever After portrayed best because we saw her putting up with actual emotional abuse), so it kinda baffles me when people try to “modernize” the story by making her some kinda girl boss as if escaping abuse didn’t make her a strong character already.
Yes! They always ignore that even when we realized that she's from an abusive household. And they're going "oh, Cinderella is bad role model."
Thank you for this! A young woman who survived growing up in an abusive home with her own compassion, creativity and sense of self intact is a good message that too many people ignore. Considering how she grew up, the fact that she had the courage to defy her stepmother says a lot. Cinderella did take action to get out when opportunity presented itself, and it's also ok that she got help. Sometimes people need help to get out of a bad situation.
i hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way but not all characters need to be quirky, girl-bosses, or relatable. having class and elegance is respectable. i don’t want to watch a movie where everybody throws in snippy one-liners as their only form of dialogue (and have it miss every time).
@@katherinealvarez9216 yeah like considering with abuse the cycle could keep going on and on, Cinderella chooses to be a kind and compassionate instead of taking the behaviors of her abusers which is a really good message and still holds up even today for some people who were the victims they end up as the perpetrators or just very pessimistic in general
Yees Drew Barrymore is great as Cinderella
okay but the og Cinderella isn't really agency-less. she was in an abusive relationship. her story was about breaking the cycle of abuse and showing compassion to the people around her even when she doesn't get the same. she didn't want to go to the ball to get a man, she just wanted a night out. in the ball scene she wasn't even looking for the prince, he seeks HER out and she only finds out he was the prince when her step mom tells her. her story was already pretty empowering. these people are ruining her message.
Exactly
Period. I love the original Cinderella
Yep. As an abused kid I see Cinderella as an incredibly empowering character.
Didn’t the og Cinderella (not Disney) have her bird friends to peek out her step sisters (maybe step mom too?) eyes out as punishment? And they had cut their toes off and stuff to fit the shoe. So they were blind and like crippled? Yeah check out all the original stories Snow White and sleeping beauty…. Yikes!
@@jenicdarling9425 the og as in “Disney”, not the grimm brothers lol
Personally, my favorite take on the Cinderella story was Ever After. It gave a more down-to-earth feel on how the story played out while still giving Danielle her own agency that made sense due to her close relationship with her father. And also...Leonardo di Vinci as the replacement to the fairy godmother is just *chef's kiss*.
Ever After is definitely my favorite Cinderella version, too! I had such a crush on Dougray Scott after seeing it!! And Angelica Huston was such a deliciously Evil Stepmother.
..... . I have watched that movie dozens of times and I have never put that together. I feel enlightened ✨️
I mean, I don't think Disney Movie's Cinderella ever had the prince as her primary goal. She wanted love, sure, but her goal was mostly to escape her abusers. I also feel like she had more agency than live action Disney Cinderella since she actually tried to escape multiple times. Meanwhile her live action counterpart just sort of... Sat there. Idk, a lot of people write her off as weak just because she didn't fight back against her abusers in a violent way. I feel like her story is a really good representation that kindness and hope are not inherently weak, but will get you through bad situations.
Yes! Disney Cinderella wasn't waiting for the prince and people never understand that and it's so annoying. The moral of Cinderella is that if you're kind the world will (eventually) be kind to you back. That's why the fairy godmother appears and she gets to go to the ball and enjoy herself and then as a side note marries the prince, while her step family lives miserably, because they weren't good people.
Exactly, if there is another adaptation of her story which I pray will not happen, I hope they portray her story in a better way.
@@kassandrasiqueiros5969 I usually agree with Amanda, but her comments on the original Disney movie made me a bit heated. I think it's just that she wasn't familiar with it, but still. Cinderella is one of my favorite princesses, so it's frustrating that she just gets written off as some sort of misogynistic character. Kindness is not weakness, which is something modern movies seem not to get.
I actually really liked the Cinderella 2015 because feel it was a good balance of whimsical and portrayed Cinderella as someone who was being abused but had some agency herself, and it highlighted the message of kindness as Kassandra mentioned the entire point of the story is.
Yes! A young woman who survived growing up in an abusive home with her own compassion, creativity and sense of self intact is a good message that too many people ignore. Considering how she grew up, the fact that she had the courage to defy her stepmother says a lot. Cinderella did take action to get out when opportunity presented itself, and it's also ok that she got help. Sometimes people need help to get out of a bad situation.
Cartoon Jasmine just wanted to have a say in her own life. To not be forced to do something just because it is expected of her. I hardly think that's shallow. Cartoon Mulan fought for her spot by training above and beyond, and she did it out of love for her father. She was no more special than any other man that were training to be soldiers. She wasn't gifted with chi or any other superhuman strength.
Somehow it feels like the live action princesses are downplaying the femininity of their characters. As though "feminine" qualities will always be inferior to "masculine" ones. That kindness, resilience, patience are too soft compared to power and ambition. How is it even uplifting their princesses when they replaced the feminine traits with masculine ones to show their value and progression?
I know for me (a man) my favorite princess is Ariel. Some people say she gave up her voice for a man, but she didn't. She had a dream of knowing what the human world is like and just wanting to live the human experience. She then see Eric for the first time and her desire to be human increases. The event to finally push her to get what she wants is when her father destroyed all of her possessions. She's a determined girl who won't stop at anything to achieve her goal and that inspired me as a kid. She didn't give up her voice for a man, she gave up her voice to become human. I hope that made sense 😅
Yes!!
@@ihatetheheat4524 I totally get what you mean! I always saw it as her drive for knowledge and curiosity combined with her infatuation with the Prince led her to Ursula. Like yeah, she definitely had a crush on the guy, but there was so much more than that. We get tons of scenes of her exploring human life and genuinely having fun with things we consider to be mundane, and I found that really inspiring.
On point!
@@ava_marie_v yeah, exactly! If I recall correctly, she sang “Part of Your World” before she ever met Eric. Her dream was the core of the movie.
Yo Disney Cinderella didn't need no man, she just wanted to get out one night from her shitty abusive family, and the prince went after HER. She's like 'nah fam I just wanna get out for a bit'.
Exactly. She didn’t go for the prince, she went to have fun. The prince was just a bonus. And she tried on the slipper not because of true love, but so she could get away from her abusive family
exactly
Well….you can’t deny that her having a man wasn’t an accident given how the movie came out in the 1950s. What people fail to realize that the writers at the time made Cinderella actually needed a man to escape from her abusive household. Why do you think that she was upset when her stepmother locked her in a closet just so she won’t go try her shoe on? We can acknowledge the pros of Cinderella but also acknowledging that the writers were on some bs. Edit: the writers who wrote Cinderella were all males. So, Cinderella was written through the males perspective and that needs to be taken into consideration, especially with how there are videos of people (usually women) criticizing the male gaze. If you look at the three original Disney princesses you’ll see that there’s a strong narrative of kind, young, gentle, *feminine*, pretty women being saved by young men (because they “deserved” it)b at the end and how the villains are older women who are jealous of the younger females beauty to the point they’ll cause them harm Andrew they have no men as their punishment. *Thats* problematic and needs to be discussed. Also, does it really make sense (and realistic) for an abused victim to marry a stranger and have a happily every after??? For all we know, he could have been a shitty ass man! Granted, the later Cinderella movies made him look kind (if I’m remembering correctly). Still, it was a risk for an abused victim to escape from an abusive household and maybe hoping that she won’t be in another abusive household.
it's crazy how people misunderstand the whole point of it entirely. Ad she DESERVED that life after that she had been through.
Okay but she went to have fun and for it could be her chance to get rid of her abusive family by charming the prince. Her plans may not exactly be that she wanted a MAN but she did want the prince, she fantasized about it. and when they sang so this is love , they WERE IN LOVE. I think the message of the movie was money and status can do nothing for you if you're horrible person. Cinderella wanted freedom and love.
I hated the takeaway of Cinderella be read as 'wait for a man to save you'. Ella was kind to all the animals, never raised her voice, and after she had an experience with a man who genuinely made her feel good about herself, learned she deverved better. She didn't turn her back on an open door to get away from a bad household. In my opinion, the 1997 Cinderella best explored this by giving the Prince a personality, who saw Cinderella as an equal, and Cinderella decided to stop waiting for the Prince and leave on her own terms. In this essay, I will-
I teach first graders and literally, all of my girls have dream jobs that don't involve "princess" or "wife". Like, young girls already realize that women can have careers. The "wokeness" of this movie being, "hey, girls can have jobs and follow their dreams!" is about 30 years too late for most of America and many other places.
Thank you. Plus, if girls want to be princesses, what’s the problem? It’s what they want to do. What am I gonna tell them? No sorry you can’t be a princess because someone thinks it’s misogynistic.
@@twentysecondcenturywoman tbh being a princess would probably be better than most careers because you don't have to do much but get a lot of money and power. Maybe I'm missing something here but if I see a little girl saying she wishes she could be royalty I would just think that's understandable and go about my day.
I wanted to be a princess when I was little. I literally wanted to rule a country lol
When I was in kindergarten in the 90s, I said that my dream job was to be a mom, and I was immediately subjected to an enormous amount of psychological abuse and shaming over it. These day, girls are told from the time that they're born that their only value as a human being comes from the size of their paycheck; it's not progressive, it's exploitation.
@@caroldreamer Oh yes, the "if your dreams don't produce money, you're worthless" speech is overwhelming (and such a capitalist thing by the way, this idea that your identity as a human comes from your work it's so toxic).
I'm usually not a Twitter guy but this line is priceless: "James Corden is the most 'betrayed humanity to get plugged back into the Matrix as a TV/movie star person who ever lived."
Fucking accurate as hell
Oof that’s a top-tier insult
Oh my God this is so fitting for him. Whoever wrote this, 11/10 creativity
My favorite exchange from that same thread:
"He was good on his two episodes of Doctor Who, I’ll give him that much."
"He's the reason I stopped watching Doctor Who."
@@MysteryDisc he was in doctor who?
The fact that James Corden is still in things after Cats AND Super Intelligence is a very personal attack on my well being
Don't forget The Prom
not to mention the emoji movie
she should've stopped being casted the moment emoji movie came out tbvh
He unfortunately did an okay enough job in Into The Woods and I think that's what's been allowing him to hang on
It's because he produced this movie
“Ever After” was the only Cinderella remake we will ever need
I came to the comments to say exactly that! Absolutely true.
Amen to that!
And Whitney Houston’s version
The dress was ✨👌✨😍
I love Ella Enchanted
Amazon Prime should have made an R rated Cinderella that follows more closely to the Brothers Grimm version. I can see a director like Guillermo Del Toro turning it into an elegant and stylish psychological horror drama, with plenty of romance still.
Oooh I’d love to see that!
I love del Toro! But I'm glad he made Pans Labyrinth rather than the 40th version of Cinderella. Did you know Cornelia Funke made it a novel? I hope they work together more in the future
Wow, I love that idea!
I'd love that
That’d be awesome
Why was Camila's voice so heavily autotuned? She's a singer! Yet every time she sang in this movie I constantly had to make sure that blood wasn't pouring out of my ears. 😖
Whoever produced that song of hers did a terrible job. It was just too much.
Because she can't actually sing well.
camila can’t sing very well. idk if you’ve ever heard her live but it’s generally an accepted reality.
@@user-jk5jo3xc5v I had no idea she wasn’t a good singer honestly. Never really cared about her enough to know if she’s good live or not
Because there’s no saving her voice. She’s an awful singer.
Why do people feel the need to keep attempting “feminist” Cinderella adaptations? Ever After is literally right there.
Right?!?!
And the thing is the movie is already feminist you don’t have to act like a man to be a feminist that’s what people don’t understand ,that’s what Hollywood makes it look like. Cinderella fights of her enemies with kindness
Omg thank you YES. ❤️
Came into the comments to say exactly this.
Honestly, want feminist fairytales? Do the Seven Ravens or Ali Baba. Or a Snowqueen that is not Frozen.
Just stop with making Cinderella's that are not like other Cinderella's.
What's crazy to me about this obsession with making Cinderella "strong", is that most people's idea of Cinderella is shaped by the Disney version. And Walt Disney chose to adapt her story because he personally related to her and found her inspirational. So, clearly he didn't think she was weak and passive.
I guess because before he had the mouse empire he basically was destitute. Designs stolen, living in the studio, etc.
She wasn't ... she made the best of her situation and never lost hope or her kind nature. Given the abuse she went through, that means a lot. She's a strong character in her own right.
@@LannasMissingLink walt isnt the best role model in the treating people equally category true true
@@ussinussinongawd516 I dont think he's a role model at all. The dude and a 1 way window overlooking disneyland from his office, he was a creep. Still think it makes sense why he related to cinderella
this is the most progressive thing I've actually heard about Walt Disney himself
Why do people keep trying to make Cinderella “strong” when I have a hard time thinking of something stronger than staying kind and courageous in the face of emotional and physical abuse. Oh right it’s because the media is incapable of seeing a woman as strong unless she shows traditionally “masculine” traits, like being crass and or physically strong or showing no emotion (unless being witty.) Not saying those are masculine traits, but I do think there’s a reason we always see those traits on “strong female characters”.
I liked the live action Cinderella. While she could’ve done more to actively try and get out of her situation, she still managed to remain optimistic and kind, which is what eventually snagged her the prince. And the prince was so sweet, when he cried upon seeing her at the ball, I cried too, ahhhh-
Sorry. I’m just sick of these tawdry girl boss stories. This one at least made some unique choices with it. I like that “I choose me” line too.
you mean the Disney live action? Cuz I love that one for the same reasons
I mean in fairness, she had nothing to her name, no money, nobody to trust outside, nowhere to go. Honestly i think its a fair choice to stick with the devil you know than risk it on the streets
Agree!
"feminism" but downplaying femininity and praising masculinity? just another form of toxic masculinity honestly
I always saw the live action version of her not doing more to "escape" as her not wanting to leave the house behind, since it had been her parents' and she had an emotional connection to it
I just want an authentic Cinderella where the stepsisters have their feet hacked up and later their eyes pecked out, is that so much to ask for????
It would be awesome with it as a proper horror... which is what it is! Yes, one girl live happily ever after, but this story is bloody and violent.
Into the Woods has that but that movie isn’t a good indicator of how good the Broadway musical is
I would include the part where Cinderella forces the step mother into servitude for the rest of her old days and is almost as brutal to her as she was to Cinderella, because I’M not a COWARD
You literally just asked for Into the Woods. And bad indicator or not, they DID have a scene where the stepsisters did that.
Into The Woods Proshot!
You know it's funny how Disney loves to portray the struggles of a working girl (which is true enough), but forgets women in many places simply aren't allowed to pursue romantic relationships, at least not on their own terms and certainly not without stigma. For many girls, trying to have a romantic relationship is the same as risking their place in society and becoming a pariah. Would love to see a brown auntie (middle-aged South Asian woman) as a Disney villain.
Brown aunty 💀
Did everyone forgot that ella enchanted and ever after exists? I really like those renditions of the Cinderella story and ella in both are pretty awesome and bad ass. In ella enchanted she saves the prince instead of the prince saving her and it wasn't demeaning at all. In ever after there was no magic yet the story was super solid. If you haven't seen either of them I highly recommend both
I immediately thought of Ella Enchanted, the fun fact is the actress who plays Queen Beatrice was in Ella Enchanted
i thought of this too, they also did only song covers in ella enchanted
@@aspen1945 but actually good songs sung by competent people lol I still love the somebody to love scene
I preferred the book Ella enchanted over the movie, but even the movie was better than this Cinderella
@@AngelofGrace96 I recently discovered that It was a book lol a TH-camr called lost in adaptation made a review on both the book and movie and compared the two. He gave it high praise to both
Thank you for making this so I don’t have to watch it.
I did and ooooh boi. It's baaaaad.
I find hard to believe that watching this mess was even a possibility for You, Daniel.
hey daniel
Hey dude, I really like your videos. And same
Daniel, watch "Magi : the Labryinth of magic".
I always thought Cinderella genuinely liked the prince. She didn't need any man but had fun with this one. Imagine you go out and have a pretty fun first date. You dance and talk. He is great. Your parents are gonna kill you if you are late and in the rush to get back home, you didn't give him your number. He thought you were interested too and tried to find you from mutual friends. Maybe he would have stopped if said you weren't interested, even after you he finds you. Why make him a villain or her a victim? Why not leave it as a cute love story? Why make him into an obsessive creep he is not?
I get that women are not for only love stories. But she was kind, gentle and wanted love. She would make a good queen.
You don't watch before sunrise movie and say, dude she just wanted to ride a train not have someone follow her all day. Maybe that wasn't her original interest but she found something nice.
I read it more like she she wanted just a nice night out, but ended up finding love while doing so.
This is the simple, cute, fluffy romance stories I wish made a comeback instead of toxic or cringey "romance" films being produced now.
I still thought it was dumb how she decided to marry a man she's only spoken to ONCE.
@@midnightstudio9296 I get that. But maybe it felt right.
We never hear the story of what happens after she leaves her home but before she marries him.
If it's immediate, maybe it was the norm then. Like even in our country, our great grandparents usually got married without even seeing each other's faces.
Not saying it's an ideal situation that girls of this age must follow. But maybe consider the fact that people and circumstances were quite different back then.
Another perspective is a lesser romantic one. She was in a terrible place and here is an appealing solution. She might have heard good things about him, had great time, flattered about the length he went for her and decide to do that. Women do not usually have much autonomy. She might not even have the luxury to reject.
I of couse want to believe my first version than this for obvious reasons 🙈
@@midnightstudio9296 It was medieval times. And he was nice
I'm just amazed that James Corden still has a career.
i feel like he owes a lot of that to kpop if i'm being honest
@@peonylarkspur645 wait how
@@macaron3141592653 he built up a really good rapport with BTS among other groups, I'm thinking specifically of the Flinch game (which he does with other celebs as well, but I think the kpop groups are a really big draw). he's definitely not the only late night talk show host catering to kpop fans but he has one of the better reputations among BTS fans especially, to my knowledge
@@peonylarkspur645 Nah, all the respect we, ARMY, had for him gone just like has he still labels us as "15 y.o girls" like other useless western media. He even called BTS "unusual" guest attending the UNCA despite this is the third time BTS participate in UNCA. He was sus when he still talking about dynamite even though they already released new album with multiple songs.
@@peonylarkspur645 Trust me buddy, as a BTS fan, most of us just find James Corden a bit weird and kinda fake
Doesn’t Cinderella’s dream/fantasy is just being independent & free from her abusive family? She just wants someone to love her, she just happened find that love in a romantic form (luv ur vids amanda!)
She wasn’t even looking for love! Girl just wanted a night off and a sick outfit
@@forgotmyun I mean, if a fairy god mother gave me some badass looking shoes and a nice puffy dress, I too would like to use them until they got totally wasted because I had too much fun
Yeah, people accuse her of just wanting to marry a man and like. . .she never went to the ball with the intention of landing a man (but, and I say this as a feminist, that wouldn't be bad of her if she did, as in that time period it would be her best bet for escaping an abusive situation) she just wanted the same equal opportunity to go to the ball that every other woman was getting.
This definitely felt like a bad attempt at making another Ella Enchanted
They even used one of the same Queen songs 😭😭
Yeah, but i really liked the fairy , not gonna lie. And the change they gave to the stepmother, like she and the stepsisters not completely hating cinderella but being more on the line of really selfish and self absorbed. It was a nice change. But the cgi...ugh.
@@nessyness5447 honestly I almost turned it off until the fairy came totally saved it. if this version didn't give James Corden so much unnecessary screen time and fixed the princess' timing with her suggestions, this would've been so much better
@@hayles_ the dresses were pretty too, i actually liked they did her dress silvery white...you know, like live action disney's cinderella should have been because the original animated dress was silvery. Tho i would have made the waist higher since camila is really short, and put something on the neck or to joing the neckline to the sleeves. But overall, cute design,the fairy's dress was better tho. And my favorite cinderella live action dresses still are the one from ever after and one from a prince of bel- air's halloween special, worn by Will's date to the party.
And Minnie Driver is in both Ella Enchanted and this Cinderella
“There’s nothing wrong with focusing on a story that’s about love and romance.” THANK YOU. This is why I love your content, Amanda. I am so beyond sick of all these Disney remakes that make the princesses into insufferable women. If they were so worried about our generation being indoctrinated with this “damsel in distress” mentality, then how did I-a huge Disney fan as a kid-turn out to be gay? Shockingly, cartoons didn’t shape my choices in life. Weird, I know.
Can Hollywood stop shaming women for falling in love now? Thanks.
I LOVE THIS COMMENT
As an aroflux asexual, I felt this comment. I didn't mind the classic Disney films nor felt the urge to be a "damsel in distress" in my life. I just kept living life and enjoyed the films for their animations and simple stories.
These new stories are trying way too hard at something that isn't there/doesn't need to be tampered with.
I dont like the idea that a woman loving a man means giving up her agency. We shouldn't be teaching kids that a partner trying to take away your independence is normal...
@@sharkyclawfang7837 What I like is a woman who is making her own decision. And that's what all these Disney movies show. A woman making a decision.
You would've been gay no matter what lmao. If upbringing actually affected that, we'd have a lot more examples of it by now. So, speaking as a fellow LGBTQ person, that's not a good example of the point you're trying to make.
"If you don't do what I say, I'll make your little sister queen!"
"Well, considering I feel restrained by the burden of future kingship, and that making her queen would STILL leave me a prince with all my wealth and coolness... yeah, okay. Do that."
This felt like a rewrite I would’ve done in my pick-me girl phase in middle school.
lmaoo ikr this is so cringy
"Pick me" girl? That's not exactly a detrimental thing that you're trying to contextualize it as.
@Anthony Lopez hahahhahahahahhahahahahaha
You must’ve picked the pick me than
@@RtistiqSkubie have you met the early pick-me girls from the start of 2010s? We walked so the new ones could run. We were annoying to boys and rude to other girls, terrible to female teachers and even worse to younger girls, it wasn’t until we met an older pick-me did we realize the error and moved on to actual equality.
The issue with the "pick me girl" insult is that its just another way for girls to bully each other. I got called a pick me girl the other day for not agreeing that make up is an art form lol. Sure there are girls who do things for male attention and im sure you know if you did or not in middle school, but I feel like its become a blanket term for "anyone I dont like who has male friends or enjoys male centric hobbies"
When discussing who’s worse, Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon, the answer is of course James Corden
Just for who he replaced. Craig Ferguson is fucking awesome.
you can tell that he's bad because he goes by James and Not Jimmy.
ew the Jimmy's are awful.
Ugh, but Kimmel is terrible.
At least we have Seth lol
I just want to know what black-mail James Corden has on Hollywood because that is the only reason I can think of as to why he keeps getting cast in things.
I think it's the free publicity he can provide being a show host and all that jazz, there's literally no other reason to put him in a movie
I loved the 2015 version of Cinderella. It represented who Cinderella was as a person. Not some super mega bratty boss lady (which is how I feel most female leads are today). But as a strong, feminine, kind, loving women who suffered through years of abuse without giving up at least some hope. Even in her own pain she wanted to make sure that others were feeling better. And she worked to the best of her ability even to those she didn’t like. 2021 version of Cinderella stole that magic from her. I want women to be strong and confident. But as the woman they are and were meant to be. Not some overly pressured cliche female figure we see in our culture today.
Ella Enchanted did the "Somebody to Love" bit waaaay better. Also Hollywood, stop casting James Corden in things please.
Hell even Happy feet did it better
Can the UK just take James Corden back
"Cinderella 3: a twist in time" has all the agency Cinderella needs.
Exactly. Most underrated Disney movie ever.
Oh hell yeah. Plus it gives the prince an actual personality
I’ve never seen any of the Disney sequels. Are they actually worth it?
@@sunsetskye483 No, but Cinderella 3 is, beautiful animation, catchy songs, funny jokes, genuinely entertaining amd engaging for absolutely no fucking reason at all. Its like going above and beyond on an extra credit assignment.
My forever favorite
Hollywood writers seem to be pretty cynical when it comes to depicting women in relationships. She can either be the independent girl boss who don't need no man, or a house servant/baby factory with nothing in between.
It's because they refuse to hire female writers
@@mariamali5002 That is sooo true!
So housewives are baby factories and house servants? 🙄 y’all are so annoying and disrespectful. So what if women have babies and take care of the household that’s life it happens in real life. And just because you don’t want to be that way doesn’t mean it’s negative or that these women shouldn’t be represented.
@@Las645 I don't think they're talking about housewives in general, rather the 'Stepford Wife' type of female character where their entire personality revolves around taking care of the house and kids with little consideration for their own thoughts and needs.
@@Las645 I'm saying that's the way they represent it in the media. I'm not anti house wife.
The thing with "girlboss" and female empowerment narratives is a LOT of it comes off as both bitter and FAR removed from reality.
Women have been doing pretty damned well for a few decades and continuing to blame any issues faced by individual women on some *broad* societal limitation is VERY damaging imo. It absolves the abusers (companies, industries or individuals) doing that shit and it makes people bitter (men and women)
I fucking LOVE me some female empowerment fantasy, but done poorly it's just.... annoying. More so because I LIKE the theme.
We don’t need any more corporate feminism movies, we really don’t. And of course there’s an obligatory scene where a victim forgives their abuser. Cool.
Guys, can we just have a Cinderella retelling that explores the abuse she faces and the power in breaking away from her abusers and never forgiving them in the process? Because that’s what the original tale was about, though it seems many have forgotten that aspect.
Please. There's actually no need to forgive those who wronged you, you can let the pain behind but not "Yeah everything cool", that's actually a toxic message. Real people won't change that easily.
@@sunnydargonnel The 1997 Rodger and Hammerstein Cinderella the ending is legit Cinderella just closing the gate in her step-mother and sister's faces as she goes to the castle on her wedding day. No need to forgive and forget, just, bye.
@@sunnydargonnel Yeah, I always have mixed feelings when people say how you should forgive those who did bad things to you. And other people will try to make you forgive a certain person by bringing up the very small good things they've done to you or what they did is for your own good.
It depends on the person if they will forgive the other.
Also the fact that some early versions have an ending where the stepfamily has their eyes plucked out by birds after the stepsisters cut off their heel/toes to fit the slipper.
@@ninarances9074 Yeah, "should" is the iffy word there. You owe nothing to your abusers, former or otherwise. It doesn't matter if your abusers have genuinely reformed and become better people, you have no obligation to let them back into your life if you don't wish to. And if they've truly become better people, or are attempting to, they'll understand that.
13:02 This is why I liked Ever After, because it was a realistic examination of the stepmom's lot in life with regard to the greater society - she was *terrified* when the father died, and with good reason. 1500s were not kind to old widows, so clawing and scraping a better life for her girls was as much for her own longevity as theirs, and at multiple points throughout the movie, you can see inklings of where she *might* have grown to love (or at least like) Cinderella had the father not died.
100%. Ever After added some nice historical touches. And the backstory they gave the stepmother was good. Plus Anjelica Huston as stepmom is A+ casting 😄
In 2021 Cinderella is a career woman.
Nothing will beat Ever After. Danielle was a strong woman and the movie explains why she put up with the abuse- in order to work her Dad's farm and see to it's success. And omg that scene where she asks her stepmother "did you ever love me"? 😭😭😭😭 Danielle is the most fleshed out, realistic Cinderella character and Barrymore plays her perfectly.
" how could anyone love a pebble in their shoe?" That dynamic always got me. A realistic portrayal of a manipulative and abusive relationship
The fact that I could both hate Rodmilla for her actions but also see how she was led to that situation and how she justified it in her mind is amazing. I do think she WANTED to try to at least care about Danielle, but it's clear that when she looks at her she sees the man who brought her to the manor and immediately left her there to run it alone(she literally begs him not to leave her). As she already has two daughters, we can assume she's a widow before marrying Danielle's father. So she's now lost two husbands and has a manor to take care of. Then add a living reminder of the person who got you into this situation. Add in the superiority complex of being born and raised nobility with a commoner step daughter and you see how her psyche is less than great.
Not trying justify her actions, nothing justifies abuse, just showing how she likely justifies it to herself.
@@genera1013 I agree, she wasn't perfect and maybe she was actually a good person before her second husband died but she's probably had to raise her children alone after the first husband died and that would have been incredibly hard in that era especially since they're all women.
I think if they wanted the stepmother in this remake be a character we can sympathize with they could have made her show small bits of care towards Cinderella. She'd still be cruel and manipulative but there would be moments where we can see that she does care in he own twisted way. Cinderella's clothing for example, she could have given her an amount of money to buy certain things and allowed her to keep the change which allowed Cinderella to buy things for herself. So although she disapproves of her dream and admonishes her for it she doesn't necessarily stop her either.
Yessss. She was a real woman not a character. She was strong and brave and sensitive and kind. She really embodied the divine feminine and it's awesome.
Ever After is 23 years old yet it's far more progressive than this shell of an adaptation Amazon cooked up.
I know for me (a man) my favorite princess is Ariel. Some people say she gave up her voice for a man, but she didn't. She had a dream of knowing what the human world is like and just wanting to live the human experience. She then see Eric for the first time and her desire to be human increases. The event to finally push her to get what she wants is when her father destroyed all of her possessions. She's a determined girl who won't stop at anything to achieve her goal and that inspired me as a kid. She didn't give up her voice for a man, she gave up her voice to become human. I hope that made sense 😅
Cinderella is one of my favourite fairytale female characters. She's kind and strong, patient and hopeful. She's been through a lot but doesn't play the blame game. No, she did not wait for someone to save her, that's not why she stayed with her stepfamily. She didn't even know she was dancing with a prince at the ball.
Yeah, it kinda rubs me the wrong way how Amanda keeps making Cinderella out to be some helpless damsel in distress. Cinderella is an abuse victim who managed to remain kind, hopeful and loving to everyone throughout all that mental suffering. If that's not a strong character, I don't know what is.
"Oh, that clock! Old killjoy. I hear you, "Get up!" you say, "Time to start another day!". Even he orders me around. Well, there is one thing: They can't order me to stop dreaming."
I think that's beautiful. Even though she's suffering badly, Cinderella never gave up hope, always kept a positive mental attitude. She was physically restricted by her abusers, but they could never have her mind. And, in the end, it's her determination, hopefulness, and kindness towards other unfortunate victims (the animals) that save her. The prince helped, of course. I'd argue that she just needed to form a relationship (romantic or otherwise) outside her household, and that was the push she needed to break her own chains. SHE is the one who faces up to her stepmother in the end, not the prince. He's not even present in the climax (he's barely in the movie, really).
Best cinderella story was Ever After, and I’m not a huge Barrymore fan. The prince fell in love with who she was and in the end she stood up for herself like a badass. You can’t tell me this version does that better.
Plus Anjelica Huston is probably my favourite Evil Stepmother in all of the adaptations I've seen
The girl saves the prince's life by literally picking him up and carrying him away from the bad guys. Tell me there's something in this more bad-ass than that. You can't.
The only Cinderella live remake I recognise🙌🏾 and the only one my children will watch😌
Exactly. Ever after is one of my favorite movie. I even liked the 2015 Cinderella too
@Erwin Lii Funny about that is that it was a remake too- since it's a Roger's and Hammerstein musical. The original has the same storyline, but the production is more like a stage play, which is kind of fun. So the reason they kept so much diversity (it seems like) in the cast (like the queen being black, the king being white and the prince being Filipino, was to retain that sort of 'stage play' casting feel. But that whole adaptation was interesting too, as it gave the Prince a story as well.
In the end, the same story is that Cinderella wanted freedom, she just /happened/ to fall in love with a prince.
The most charming version of Cinderella ever made, in my opinion, is “Ever after” with Drew Barrymore. It’s an actual full romance that respects both the prince and Cinderella as people. Just sayin lol no others need seem to measure up
Yesss!!! This movie is SO GOOD!
I actually like the one with Brandy in it
Thanks for reminding me of that movie, gonna go rewatch that instead of this crap!
@@ceikaiyiacheeksthedirector2920 Whitney Houston as the Fairy Godmother is *chefs kiss*!!!
That one is my favorite too :) it's one of my go to comfort films
Just realized this, but Billy Porter's character is supposed to be genderless...
The name of his character is the Fabulous GodMOTHER.
Swing and a miss there.
He was the Fairy GodMuvah. That’s literally what he said. I’m glad that you mention about this.
The thing about Cinderella though is she isn’t waiting for a prince, she sings about dreaming of a better life and how stuck she is in her family. She wants to go to the ball to get a chance to go out and see the world and dance and have fun, not just to meet and marry the prince. In fact she has every expectation that this is gonna be her one night of freedom she knows it all ends at midnight and she is ok with that. She likes the prince but it’s only when she discovers he is looking for her that she sees her opportunity. I think being extremely kind and caring in the face of abuse is a really great message! For me the message wasn’t waiting around to be rescued it was taking big risks and believing in your dreams and maintaining kindness
Agreed
I know right?
"I'm going to be a dress maker!" Proceeds to make the most gawdy, cheap looking dresses in creation.
This was the main reason (besides cabello’s signing style of choice) to not watch this film lol that dress is supposed to iconic and she’s supposed to be a dressmaker?? Lol nah
IKR tbh the dress she was about to wear for the ball, while I like the color since it was reminiscent from the animated version of Cinderella, was incredibly underwhelming. I’d say even Belle’s dress from the Beauty and beast live action looked far better compared to hers-
Coming after Cruella is just bad timing.
Exactly. Wish thy did more on that
She was addicted to tulle and I was confused
The feminist message was the most ham-fisted I have literally ever seen in media. It was both lazy and distracting. There were so many better ways to convey things than to constantly have male characters going "PFFFT! A LADY ENTREPRENEUR!? How silly!" and then repeat it over and over again. The princess introduction was so poorly handled I didn't know who she was until several scenes after. She also spouts off vague progressive ideas and that's it, that's her character. There are also several scenes that are utterly pointless (like the whole front tail thing) and just destroy any sense of pacing.
Also, the dress Ella makes is just... weirdly ugly. Like she's set up to be an amazing designer but the two dresses she actually made with her own hands were terrible. Just unpleasant, ugly, poorly designed messes (pink and tan tulle???). When the princess is revealed wearing the dress it's a wide shot and every follow up shot is her from the shoulders up, hiding as much of the dress as possible.
GOD and the cinematography??? Good cinematography works in one of two ways and will alternate between the two. Unnoticeable and so good you can't help but notice and be pleased. The way scenes are framed, shot reverse shots, how the camera is positioned looking at the actors and the worst part is how it functions during the big dance scenes. It's usually just static shots that makes it hard to track all the action because there is little focus, just fits as many people in the shot as possible and look at them dance! THEN when it's focused on one person the camera is often way too close, and the actor from the shoulders up is all that's in the shot for way too long!
I was legitimately shocked at how bad this movie was.
But the original song was nice when it wasn't being bungled.
and it's not even feminism it's girlboss feminism....the laziest of feminisms. because women HISTORICALLY were dressmakers (mantua shops) so her trying to sell her dresses wouldn't have been met with the same dismissal as it did in the movie...I was like...wtf....
The whole career thing reminds me of the beginning of the new Charlie's Angels 😂
It would be great if they would rather invest money into making movies about powerful women in history. Something like The Duchess. There's just so many stories about women who went againts social norms etc. Like Madame de Pompadour basically ruled whole France from behind the doors.
Not to mention that most wealthier women basically managed running their houses and took care of economy of the house etc. Which seems like a lot of work to me.
@@user-ok4xb1rd9f Olga of Kiev is one of my favorite people in history. The first woman to rule (Medieval) Russia who used her wits and military strategy to systematically and utterly destroy the people who murdered her husband. She then essentially transformed her kingdom from a loose affiliation of tribes and tributes into a proper kingdom that would shape Slavic culture moving forward. When her son came of age she continued to rule whenever he was campaigning and ended up as a saint after she died.
@@RandomFlyingPotato Thank you. That's was really eductional. It feels like something I should have known considering my grandma has the same name.
Agree. Not feminism but opportunism
Lets face it. No adaption will ever be as good as Ever After.
That "in the street" dancing/singing is something a local theater group would think of, not something a big budget movie should do.
I’ll just stick with the Cinderella musical starring Brandy and Whitney Houston as my go-to for Live Action Cinderella content.
That movie was my childhood, and I still think about it a lot 🤭
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
My favourite!
Yes! This was my fav qhen I was younger. They could sing, and the cast was genuinely entertaining.
I absolutely love that movie. I will occasionally rewatch it because the songs and Brandy and Whitney.
Ever After is still the best Cinderella adaptation to this day, and no one can ever change my mind! 🤧💯💅🏻💃🏻
Oddly enough, Disney owns it with the Fox merger.
I would argue the 1973 Three Nuts for Cinderella (Tři oříšky pro Popelku) is better but to each their own, I guess.
Rodgers & Hammerstein's Cinderella is the best in my eyes, I love it so much!
@@TheNinjapancake14 that one is also one of my favorites 😍 ❤
@@carlyhope I see a person of culture! 😂
Thanks to this video, I was inspired to watch ‘Ever After’, which I’d never seen. It is SPECTACULAR. I can’t thank all of you enough. 😊
The 1950s Cinderella is crapped on a lot, but I think it’s more empowering than this “girl boss” movie. There’s a quiet strength and dignity in making the best of a bad situation and not letting the abuse corrupt you. I really don’t care for Cinderella movies who are like “I don’t need no man-I’m already awesome.” That wasn’t the point of the 1950 Cinderella
Maintaining your values isn’t a marketable concept these days. Instead it’s all about proving to the world that you’re a badass.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 The folly in that notion is that people don't understand you can be a badass without actually _kicking_ ass, in the literal sense.
these movies are the epitomy of centrist feminism it's so surface level and doesn't actually explore complex female stories
Tbh it kinda undermines the movement bc it feels so pandering and it come across as a joke tbh
I support the theory that Corden must have dirt on some powerful people to keep getting casted in stuff
That sounds like a good theory.
That would make sense as I don't think I have seen a single thing that he was funny in. I now avoid any movies he is in.
I agree with most of the comments...but even Cinderella didn't realize that she had met the prince at the ball, just enjoying the moment with this guy in formal military gear while losing track of time.
Never thought she was waiting to "escape her cage". Yes, we saw that it was a horrible situation, but she was just trying to have a good moment in the life of hardship.
Amanda: "Why does this movie exist?"
Me: "It does??"
Lol right??
Me 😂😂😂😂
Omg same
my favourite cinderella adaptation is Ever After, A Cinderella story, where the story is set in non magical 17th century france, the cinderella character Danielle is super passionate about servants rights, and Leonardo da Vinci is the fairy godmother. It's so good. I love it a lot.
The Best!💙
Leonardo da Vinci???
@@kittycoutourxxx2706 yep :DDD
Enchanted isn't bad. (The book. Not the movie)
And the costumes are STUNNING, I’m absolutely obsessed with them
So, you're saying Shang-Chi is a better Cinderella film.
I-
Was Shang Chi that bad?
Hell yea
Yes, shouldn't even be compared to such a good movie
Shang-Chi was too fucking good bro, what are you hugh on?
I still think the best Cinderella adaptation is Ever After. All the characters are well-rounded, even the step-mother showing some genuine care at some points without it making her actions seem unmotivated, and things aren't over-simplified, they have weaknesses and strengths, and Danielle (or Cinderella) saves herself in the end. The framework of it being a real love story that was simply reduced to a fairytale is also very beautiful.
Did we all collectively forget Ella Enchanted... need we more Cinderella girlbosses singing Queen?
Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it I read the book version of Ella enchanted first. Because I loved it and i had high expectations I was let down on the movie version. Though i did love the part where she sang somebody to love
I literally said, "why did they make another one?" When I first saw the trailer
Me too, then i looked it up and it was made by Sony and Fulwell 73, amazon is just where they stream it, aparently Sony wants to milk Cinderella although Disney already did it with the live-action remake on 2015, so who knows how the sales are gonna be.
@@dimitrivavoulis2184 When I saw James coorden I knew it is going to be bad.
Why does everybody always forget Ever After: A Cinderella Story with Drew Barrymore. That one was awesome.
Your comment is at least the fifth specifically mentioning that version. Based on the others, it hasn't been forgotten.
I love that one. That's my favorite
It's my favorite version ,I mean when she carries him from the robbers 🤣✨
I always loved the narrative symmetry of 50's Cinderella. Her first act is sassing the clock for getting on her case "Even he orders me around" but insists that nothing will break her spirit. Then she hears that a mouse is in a trap and frees, clothes and names him (as she has probably done for all the other animals). A few scenes later, we meet the stepmother and Cinderella faces harsh punishment for allowing the mice anywhere near her (her kindness is punished but she still does it), and Cinderella is framed in barred shadows just like the cage she freed Gus from- here is her cage. When the mice find out she won't have the chance to fix her dress on top of the 100 other chores, they choose to make her dress the same way she made clothes for every one of them. The clothes are tied with escape from the cage, even if it's just for one night out where she gets to be a real person.
She is 100% not sitting around to be saved to become a baby maker. She wants a night out, the prince is just gravy. She stands up for herself to her family where she can (i.e. "I'm invited to the ball too, it says _every_ eligible maiden") and needing help to escape a financially, emotionally and physically abusive family she's been stuck with since childhood is hardly something to be ashamed of. Not letting that abuse twist her heart is something to be really proud of, too.
With the resume Idina Menzel has, I’m kinda surprised she agreed to do this movie like.. she’s like musical royalty this almost feels below her. Like..
Camilla Cabillo: Singer.
James Corden: talk show host and comedian and very occasional actor in musicals for some reason
The guy that plays the prince: Barely any credits on IMDB compared to everyone else. Like she’s been doing Broadway and movie musicals so much more than the rest of the cast. Billy Porter is probably the only one that can hold a candle to her she probably got paid a ton to do this movie and have her name on it lol
Including "Somebody to Love" was a total Ella Enchanted rip-off.
And Ella did it way better.
My impression now that I've seen a few clips is that the choreographer watched Moulin Rouge, went "I could totally do that" and absolutely could not
"No one thought to do another take on that?"
Flawless victory.
Amazon attempts to pander and be woke with their Cinderella and yet “Ever After”, which came decades before, showed an absolutely strong, independent, yet 100% feminine and powerful Cinderella. And “Ever After” did it successfully without having to pander.
Yes Camila can sing... Probably in the studio, with lots of production magic.
She can only sing with the help of her fairy godmother, Editing Software.
Her singing talent is about as real as Milli Vanilli's.
Even then, this is debatable.
I still remember “hair-o-ween”.
I watched this movie and out of the 2 hour run time, I felt joy for roughly 30 seconds when James Acaster and Romesh Ranganathan broke out in song and didn’t appear dead inside for a brief moment.
EXACTLY!!!
I love them
As a Brit, I can honestly say that it was a great day for my country when James Corden decided to go live in the USA. A great many of my countrymen rejoiced , for having that useless bag of bile removed from our land .
Send him to Ohio
The Drew Barrymore Ever After: A Cinderella Story will always be my favorite adaptation of the story. Was able to update the story without trying too hard. Also Anjelica Huston gave probably the most layered performance as the stepmother.
This feels like it has a whiff of desperation to it "This isn't like all those other Cinderella movies! She's strong and badass in this one!"
There's definitely a common theme with remaking of classic stories where the directors/writers always seem have the female protagonist fall into the 'not like other girls' trope
I like the concept of this for the most part, but also I get frustrated when people are that critical of the original Disney Cinderella. Like, the original had problems, but I hate it when people say Cinderella was weak because she didn’t save herself. Like, she was in an abusive household, and sometimes people don’t know how to get out of that. And she didn’t want to go to the ball to find a prince to save her, she just wanted to have fun. That’s the whole reason the prince liked her, because she wasn’t in it for the marriage, and she wasn’t expecting to be saved. She was a strong character because of how she stayed positive and innocent even when surrounded by negativity, abuse, and hatred.
Ella Enchanted did the Queen-covers-in-a-Cinderella-adaptation first, how dare they
Also, there's nothing in the original tale that Cinderella went to the ball with any specific goal other than a ball! Magical! Honestly the prince thing happened more because the default reward for being a good person and protagonist in many folktales is instant class boost.
It also stands to reason that if you go to a ball in an outfit literally made from magic you will look the best and turn the princes head lol
My personal favourite version of Cinderella is The Slipper and the Rose. It's not very well known but it's the most realistic and contextually accurate version. Made in the 70s, it lays out the hopelessness of Cinderellas situation, shows why the stepmother is the way she is as a single woman having to find her daughter's a good match, it shows a lot more of Prince and how he feels about the situation and why he's reluctant to marry, and it gives the fairy godmother an actual character and story. Also, it continues on from when the Prince and Cinderella decide to marry and shows the political challenges that come with it. Its a beautiful movie with incredible costumes and sets, fantastic music by the people who did Mary Poppins, and truly interesting characters and plot.
Also, it's the queens favourite movie, so it must be good 😂
The Disney Cinderella was empowering. She didn't let other people get her down. She stayed true to her personal beliefs and didn't just give up and accept how her life sucked. She got the loving family she wanted with the Prince and as a princess, she could help the people of the kingdom and just be happy. Her goal was her own happiness. Not every woman wants to have an incredible career. Or go to space. Or whatever else. You can be a feminist and not be all "I don't need a man to help me". She didn't need a man, she wanted one and wasn't going to settle for any guy that could help her get away. She was young and pretty. Am sure there would have been a few men of different ages and financial positions that would have been happy to have her.
My face Cinderella remake is Ever after. I think it has the girl power story while still having all the Cinderella romance that people liked.
I’m so upset that James Acaster is in this movie. That boy deserves more.
ikr it’s so tragic :(
i was really excited for him initially, but good god it really doesn’t give him a chance to perform his best comedy
At least he had some funny lines. I think Rob and especially Romesh got it worst.
seeing romesh and rob made me groan, they don't belong there, and neither does james rip
Whoever think about putting them in this is out of their mind. I feel so bad of them :( People who only know them from this movie is gonna think they suck
Hopefully people focus more on James Cordon and leave our boys alone...
I find it funny how the movie is constantly saying that the prince's sister is the best candidate to be the successor to the kingdom, but they never do something to truly show why
I mean, she shows an actual interest in running the kingdom and constantly talks about her plans. She has plans to alleviate poverty, stop selling cannons etc. So, in that way, they did show her being a better successor given the prince has no plans at all.
Ever After nailed the Cinderella adaptation. We don't need any more