Editing Storage Guide: Best Setup for 2023
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- In this guide we'll help you choose the best editing storage solution for your workflow - and we'll let you know which one we use over here at FEP.
Learn more about Synology NAS solutions here: sy.to/chnl8
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0:00 Introduction
0:49 Our workflow
1:50 Storage 101
5:53 Storage options
9:06 Our choice
9:42 Network connectivity
10:43 Is 2.5GB fast enough?
10:56 Diskstation upgrades
11:32 HDD choice
12:44 SSD cache
13:57 UPS
14:48 Setup
15:46 How fast is it?
17:02 Mini Review
19:01 Cost
20:38 Who pays for it?
21:54 Conclusion
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Hi Chris and Leon, you are my teacher, hats off to your sequence of information you give, clarity and everything.. loads of ovation to you
Ah thanks! Wow, what a compliment. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
One of the biggest lessons I've learnt in my 4 years of freelance editing is you can *NEVER* have enough storage space.
Amen! We're with you there. And when a client sends you a last minute job... having spare storage there to take the files on is seriously impressive for them. Makes a really good professional impression.
@@FilmEditingPro but then you use real storage solutions from Oracle, NetApp and Promise. Synology isn’t really meant for professionals.
Hello Ernesto, what makes you say that Synology isn't meant for professionals and that their storage is any less 'real' than those other providers?
@@FilmEditingPro the data transfer speeds are really low. Especially when you compare them to NetApp OnTap and Promise Vtrak Solutions. Also the cheap processors (Intel D) and low memory don’t make them very viable for large RED RAW files and rendering them externally.
Hello Ernesto. You might be comparing apples and oranges there?
Firstly... the speed of a Synology Diskstation (or QNAP) with physical HDDS is more than fast enough to edit 8k RedCode Raw. I should know! I do it regularly.
Secondly... The solutions mentioned above cost considerably more than the solution we've suggested, of course they are faster! But much of their performance gains come from the fact that they rely heavily on SSDs. If you need more performance, you can fill a Synology DiskStation with SSDs. That would be a better comparison. Even better though would be to compare those solutions with one of Synology's All-Flash rack mount solutions.
Thirdly... When it comes to rendering from redcode raw, the bottle neck for most people is more likely to be CPU or GPU power, not storage speed.
Promise and NetApp make fantastic products. And I'm sure in many ways they are better than the Synology Diskstation that we've featured. They are after all an enterprise solution. We're not suggesting this is the right product for a production post-house with hundreds of editors... But for a lot of intermediate sized productions... it's a really interesting prospect.
THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST VIDEO ON TH-cam ABOUT NAS OR PARTICULARLY STORAGE!
Thank you so much!
Pausing half way through to say this video is amazing, I have been researching for days trying to find the right large storage system and this video has answered every one of my questions bueatifuly. Was so hard to get quality info on this topic thank you!
Perfect timing! Thank you so much for the kind words. We tried to cover all the questions we would ask too 😁
Another thorough yet accessible video gents. I am a commercial editor working off a DS1821+ w 10gbe (ditched QNAP TS-H886) & this will be the video I send people asking for advice now!
So glad you like it! Thanks for the support.
I've loved the "editing rig storage setup / strategy" topic since 2006 when I saved up for my first RAID to cut HD woohoo! Thanks for the details about NAS setup in 2023. I'm daydreaming lately about how cool it is that proxy workflows are still the backbone of remote collaboration and speed. Great video with TONS of value and detail. Thank you so much for taking the time to craft a Masterclass! TJ
Thanks for this! So helpful. All killer no filler, thanks for the one of the most informative, concise, and engagingly-edited videos on any technical video-related topic I’ve watched. Appreciate your hard work!
This is such an amazing video! Thank you guys so much for this. I'd be curious to see what you're day-to-day storage is like. From shooting raw footage to SSD to SSD back-up to the raid, etc. Thanks!
Thats exactly the video I needed! Please do more hardware videos likes this. Love it!
More to come!
Thank you for the captions! Im a deaf editor and deeply appreciate it!
You’re welcome!
Great video Leon and Chris! I appreciate the information and easy to understand form you conveyed it in. Keep on creating.
You’re channel just become my fav channel. Thank you for the amazing information! 🙏
Oh my god, I never thought I would be glued to the screen watching about NAS stations :) you are great!
Very well put together. Thank you! And talking about the warnings for non-Synology drives shows integrity. Great!
The best video on youtube that properly explains the topic, amazing job guys!
Our pleasure Alex. Thanks
Amazing video thank you! The way everything was broken down was excellent. I would love a video that expands on the different in speeds for each type of set up in correlation to the type of footage being edited. I think the read and write speeds of a normal raid not on a network were missing in the speed test section. Great Video! Can't wait to buy the course.
I love how this is put together! Great work team!
One critic I would add on SSD Cache- Through the last year, I have seen negligible benefit in using NVMEs for caching (at least for video workflows) because all most all files required are larger than what is eligible to be cached (per symbology's latest update). I had less that 10gig written to my cache on my 1TB NVME. Caching is more beneficial for docker containers and VMs.
Heya Karvin, yeah that's true. We're not seeing much benefit with the cache's on video workflows either. Thanks for your kind words about the video.
amazing value given in this video! really loving it and subscribed for the future!!
This is so valuable information. The ABC I was needing on storage. Thank you, Chris and Leon.
Our pleasure, glad it was helpful Johan.
The lighting in these videos is so good 👌
You guys knocked it out of the park with this video. Very easy to follow, and informational - Thank you so much!
Quick question: I currently have the DS920+ and I'm looking to take advantage of Synology's remote access feature as well as Adobe's Team Project tool.
You guys touched on it briefly at the @1:00 mark in the video, but was wondering if you have another video going into more detail about this.
My goal is to work with a go-to remote editor that has access to all of our footage, and doesn't have to download anything onto their personal computer.
It's just shared via the Synology Network, and we'd work within Adobe Team Projects.
Thanks again!
This is a blast of a video, guys! Thank you very much. I'm working with a Lacie Big 2 RAID 0 of 2x10TBs connected to another drive (20 TBs) in constant back up, and I get capacity, some redundance and speed via thunderbolt 3, but only 1 machine is able to work at a time. The next step will be this kind of NAS solution :)
Raid 1 most likely is what your using so you have two mirrors of the same data. Raid 0 is stripping the data between the 2 drives to have faster read and write but you have no redundancy.
Amazing video! Very easy to learn and very clear.
Really helpful! What I would love to see from you guys is a video about how you organize your projects on hardrives. Which folders for which files ? your workflow when it comes to ad sounds, do you duplicate them in your folder ? how do you stay organise to be able to share an entire project on hardrive ? Do you use project manager in adobe premiere when your project is done ? Hope I gave you some ideas :)
Thank you for making this video!
Incredibly well done video... I am in awe.
All of this is so expensive... But so necessary at some point 🙈
It really is useful once you get it set up!
First video I see from you guys. First time I hear about you guys. I'm subscribing! You guys are awesome. Thank you!
Welcome and thank you! 👍🎞🎬
interesting explanation of the 3-2-1 rule because LTT usually says: 3 copies, 2 media, 1 copy offsite
This video has helped me in the next step of storage for my production company. Thank you.
Glad it helped!
I think the DIY option is a touch cheaper than calculated if you consider you might already have some of the HDDs and hardware that otherwise would sit somewhere doing nothing ... I turned all those individual HDDs, each containing a single project into a massive NAS... yes I bought the 10 GB ethernet cards and switch, but I can scale up massively compared to the bay limitation of other NAS.
I struggle deleting finished projects, (I don't know why) but recently decided to start using davinci proxy generator to give me a 10 bit HD h265 version of the RAW files, so when the project is finished I only keep a way smaller version of the files and use the extra space and HDD to add it to my homemade TRUENAS SCALE.
they way my projects roughly work, the client pays for 2 HDDs for the project. one goes to them and one stays with me for post production, most times after the project is finished they prefer to leave the second back up with me, if so, I can use those HDDs to add it to my ever growing home made NAS.
Yes those are not NAS drives, and they fail after some years or months, but since I started using RAIDZ2 I had no issues or downtime.
a BIG problem for me is that even after completely reinstalling truenas, the file's permissions and written in the filesystem itself so some bad configuration of permissions that I did when I was starting are still present until today and I cant seem to find a way to fix them ...
some files written from one user cannot be deleted by other user, even tho both have full read write access rights. ... and managing my huge nas with now more than 20 drives on a consumer motherboard and consumer casing is getting way out of hand.
Quick tip, since I'm impressed with the quality of those 10 bit h265 proxies, I have been "forcing" my clients to give me access to a cloud storage of their preference to store the proxies (under their expense), so even in the worst case scenario of both offices (mine and the client's) burning from a nuclear bomb or an accidental deletion, those files are still on the cloud (hopefully underground in another country). and with modern video enhance tools using AI you can literally save any project using those tiny proxy files even if your final output needs to be 4k.
really like the way you guys explain things, nice! 👍👍
Thanks Ali
This is one of the best video's I've seen on this topic for non-IT pros. My only criticism is that a UPS is absolutely necessary.
In some instances, you're better off taking an old computer and making it into your home server and go with a DAS instead of NAS for much less. I have 2 OWC Thunderbay 4 RAID enclosures, one is a mini that uses 2.5" SSD's. I purchased the enclosures used for around $100 each. The smaller enclosures is my main RAID drive with 8TB total storage that holds my Lightroom RAWs. The bigger enclosure holds 4 HDDs for 16TB storage and is a direct backup of my main RAID drive. An old 2013 15" MBP is my server. Time Machine backups are also done to an SSD attached to the MBP server. It's all running on 1 gig ethernet, which as a photographer is more than adequate but I will soon upgrade to 2.5Gbe as I already have CAT6 wiring.
I love that I can access my photos wirelessly, but when I dock to my Thunderbolt Display, I have a faster and more reliable 1Gbe. I just have to order some 2.5Gbe switches and USB to 2.5Gbe adapters and I'll be upgraded.
Amazingly made!
Very well done and produced video!
thanks for this video, great job!
Amazing video, thank you! Keep on with the good work
Thanks José.
Great video. Thanks for the info
Gentlemen, this was a great video for people who are new to NAS or considering it. I am not in the video editing domain, but in the LiDAR scanning, point cloud generation, and something like this will help me a lot!
So happy to hear! Yeah, it’s a great solution for other types of work that produce lots of data.
Very helpful video 💚
Excellent video, gentlemen. Your timing is also perfect. I need to migrate from my Drobo (which I love) to a company still in business. Your twelve bay solution is spot on.
Ah good! So happy it was helpful.
That was a solid review. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! 👍🎞🎬
Awesome timely information, as I need to upgrade my current storage soon.
Glad it's helpful. Leave comments if you have any specific questions.
Very helpful and informative! Thank you!
You are so welcome!
This was very informative. I found a very useful thank you very much.
As always great video. Practical and useful. I too have a synology NAS. Very reliable and solid.
Right on!
Amazing content. I dont know what to say.. Please keep up the good work!
Fantastic video guys. Thank you!
Thank you too!
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I'm in the middle of creating a pitch deck for the company I'm working for, and I'm looking into cloud storage and NAS systems. For cloud I'm looking at Lucid Link, and for NAS, I'm looking at synology. If you guys can show how you archive your projects after they're done or how you have other freelance editors from a large team send you finished whole project folders for you to archive, that would be awesome! Is there a workflow that you like to use, or are there other types that you've tried and that might work for specific industries? I work for a retail corporation with 6 clothing brands under it, and we create the content in-house, with about 40 or so creatives (photographers, video editors, video shooters, photo editors, and graphic designers)
Heya Danny, glad you enjoyed the video.
It's possible for remote freelancers to upload content directly to a Synology Diskstation, if they are given appropriate user credentials. Manual uploads via a web interface can be troublesome though, as there are bound to be interruptions.
We've had great success with 'Synology Drive'. It's their dropbox-like service that uses a Diskstation as the backend. Users can install a client that will synchronise a folder on their computer to the disk station. It's a useful tool for both delivering and receiving work files.
With such a large team that includes many freelancers you will have to give consideration to folder structure, permissions and responsibilities though.
We've had great success using Synology Drive. In past, some editors have used the Synology Drive software client. Others have smaller disk stations of their own. If you have a disk station , there's no need to install the Synology Drive software on your computer, as the disk station can take care of the synchronisation.
All current projects are kept in a 'Current Projects' folder. As soon as a project reaches its end of life and the assets within have been sorted it is moved to an archive folder that is not synchronised.
Shout if you have any more questions.
@@FilmEditingPro that was very helpful. Yea I’ve been scouring the internet since December tryna find a video like this. Would be great to see a comparison with a lucid link application vs synology. Or your current workflows from folder creation to archiving and maybe demo if you have a large pool of editors either in office or remote freelancers.
Overall, I’m not kidding when I say this was the type of video I’ve been looking for when I first started research. Thanks again guys!🤙🏽
Thanks Danny. Please make sure you are subbed and feel free to share the video.
As an IT professional, I would like to correct a bit of knowledge you presented at the beginning of your video. You mentioned the 3,2,1 rule. Here you said that you should have 3 copies, in 2 places at any 1 time. That is partially correct. It should be 3 Copies of Data, 2 Types of Media, and 1 Copy Off Site.
Really great vid, thanks for sharing!
Our pleasure Maurizio
Your videos are amazing! Thanks a lot
Thanks so much. Appreciate you watching them.
Loving this! Thank you so much
Thanks William!
this video is incredibly thorough
Thanks!
i was suucked into this video i never watch a whole vid great job guys.
Fantastic video, I was able to learn a lot from this and genuinely enjoyed watching. Thank you! I have one question, I'm not sure if I have missed it in the video. How are you addressing data safety with your NAS? Are you, for example, following a 3,2,1 data policy? If so, how do you handle this in practice?
Awesome video. Could you do one discussing NVMe drives and what features or minimums required for pro video editing? e.g. Cache size, durability, sustained reads, etc. Very little online about minimum NVMe post production specs
Great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video and thank you!! I have some requests for future videos if you like: 1) Synology + BMD Cloud collaboration and 2) Color grading panels comparison for DaVinci.
Great lesson guys, thanks a lot. I hope u get to discuss processing power too. That would be so lovely 🥰
Hi Medard. Arę you talking about the processing power of the NAS or the processing power of your workstation?
@@FilmEditingPro of the workstation, thanks
Ah of course. Yeah, that's a great idea.
love the video! great breakdown of your approach. I have a similar setup, NAS with 10gb network. I am curious how you share files across the NAS to your other editors. I am looking into expanding my team and want to know what the others will need if they don't have a NAS themselves.
Guys, this is phenominal info! thanks.
great info
great video! I work with Point Clouds and one project can be a terabyte. Storage is a never ending issue for me.
Your content is diamond !
Thanks Shashwat! Glad you enjoyed it.
I agree 100%. It is important that some NAS manufacturers constantly upset their software. I I had a QNAP NAS for personal storage which got hacked with ransom ware due to poorly designed cloud access. Like the 3 2 1 rule! Excellent review btw!
Good point. Thanks so much.
Beautifully explained and wonderfully constructed! Best way to take advantage of Iphone 15 pro max video video next?
Good and easy to understand video 👍🏽
So glad to hear. That was our aim.
I'm still setup like Chris! Thanks for this, very helpful!
Haha! We've all been there :) Thanks for watching and commenting.
This was massively helpful
Thank you!
You’re welcome, Simon!
Great content guys.....
Thanks so much!
damn. really wonderful presentation.
thanks a lot
THANK YOU for making the clearest explanation I have ever found on the subject.
Question for you (or anyone else who might know): If my internet connection is not great (around 1GB), should I bother with an NAS system?
Finally ❤ ... thanks a lot... the most important subject 👏 ... from professional Channel and team ... presented professionally ... awesome 👌
I just upgraded my streaming pc, using my old computer as a NAS unit sounds appealing
This just came across in my recommended, but thought I'd share my setup because its a slight tweak to the NAS approach that I think is the best of both worlds. I'm a motion designer, so I'm not quite dealing with the same large individual file sizes you editors are, but 3D files very easily add up to hundreds of gigs or terabytes depending on the project.
Anyway the TL;DR is to have a large local SSD and have it SYNC to your NAS.
I get the speed and stability of local files while also having the redundancy and accessibility of the NAS. It's essentially the NVME cache you mentioned inside the NAS, but not limited by network speeds and more versatile. As I'm changing files, it's not a problem (at least for my needs) if they sync to the NAS at slightly slower speeds. Practically speaking, they're always on the NAS when I need them. Once you're done with a project there's an option to not sync that folder anymore and...boom! Space cleared on your local SSD and you've got the whole project safely tucked away in your NAS.
amazing thanx
Most welcome!
Really enjoyed the video guys. Very well produced. I'd like to know if you use each other's NAS to create that offsite redundancy / backup? If so, details of how you manage this and software process would be great to see.
At the moment we use Dropbox to fully backup the NAS in the cloud.
Great video
Thanks Luis.
Thanks
Great video, thank you so much for sharing. Just wondering what monitor do you use or any recommendations for a good one to use with Mac system?
Awesomeness 🎉🎉
Great video and some wonderful information! Here's my question. I have a home editing suite, where I am the only one who edits from this edit suite. I have upgraded to the Mac Studio Ultra, with the M2 chip (which is a huge upgrade from my 2017 iMac!). Like you mentioned in this video, I utilize a lot of external SSD drives for client projects, and the amount of drives I have lying around gets to be overwhelming. The Mac Studio has Thunderbolt 4 connections, so if possible, I would love to utilize the speed of those for a new editing storage solution. I'm just trying to figure out what options would be best for this type of setup, where I don't need access remotely, but rather just speed, redundancy and cost effective. If you have any thoughts, that would be great! Thanks!!
Thanks for the breakdown on this premium system. Something I may able to think about in a few years. Any recommendations for the 1k and under folks?
great video
Thanks Martin.
Great and helpful video! Question - does that warning prevent you from receiving other warnings about SMART status, or bad sectors or temperature readings?
GREAT !!
Finally ordered my SSD today!!
Congrats Ravi!
I have a self-built TrueNas NAS at home. It is so great. A normal computer has a few more benefits than qnap or synology nas's. For example I can also use VMs or I have installed synching. Syncthing automatically synchronizes certain folders to my NAS.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. That's good to know. I'm not too sure about QNAP, but I'm pretty sure you can run VMs on a Synology Diskstation. You can definitely setup folder syncs.
I feel like there has been some confusion in the comments, just to clear it up... custom made NASs are awesome. We just know a lot of people don't have the time or the ability to build them.
very good video...!
Thank you very much!
Great video! I do see different interpretations of the 321 strategy though. Most M&E storage professionals I follow recommend....3 copies of your data, 2 different storage media (HDD, LTO, Cloud etc), 1 copy offsite.
Ah that's good to know. Thanks, and glad you enjoyed the view.
I like your co-authoring video presentation
I think it’s the more complete video about storage ever ! Great video guys 🙌🏻
Well-Done
Great video guys. Would you be able to do a video on DAS systems as well please?
We've got a video coming up on Blackmagic's Cloud Store that might be helpful. That can act as a DAS.
Great video. Wonder what you do to archive working and raw files? Do you have LTO or cloud for that?
Are you guys still happy doing the SSD caching? We're about to build a NAS and trying to decide between doing that or using SSD for volume with current projects and HDD for anything older
As a beginner looking for storage options this is alot to take in. Networks, switches and alot of jargon im unfamiliar with. It will take some time to fully understand how I can set up a NAS system. I thought it was just plug and play but there is obviously a process.
What a fantastic video, covering all the basics of this kind of setup! 👏😎 I'm still hesitant to connect my Diskstations to the internet (Now just using them locally, mirroring one to the other with HyperBackup). What is your secure setup for updating the offsite backup? Would it be safer to just expose the "mirror" NAS to the internet for mirroring _it_ to a third, off-site NAS?
- Eero