Just got my ascender and 8 today and I can’t wait to try this. I’m new to this and haven’t gotten myself a GriGri (yet) and this is the exact method I’ve been searching for. Thanks !🤘🏼🤘🏼
i really like this, I had been using a friction knot to my harness and foot pinching to ascend. it worked fine but i was not anchored to my main line to harness directly. your method alows me to ascend using my legs and still be secured to my static mainline instead of a secondary libe with a friction knot.
emphasis on THIS SHOULD NOT BE USED EXCEPT IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS and still some safety should be used so you dont plummet if you make a small mistake.... overall pretty sketchy but good to know... decent demo.. more safety rigging would be nice to see.. like that carabiner on the small loop maybe even tied in too... great info though thank you a closer view would be nice.. and better audio ... thanks though.... SAFETY FIRST
I just found your video, what a great technique . it is using "canyon auto lock" which searchable in google (if others don't know). Need a little emphasize that before pull down the end of figure 8 to descend/unlock, DON'T FORGET to hold the brake rope with other hand (a friction hitch works best as backup, but figure-8 position need to be extended a little higher avoiding jam). I am coming back to rope ascending after 20years off, so using figure 8 is as easy as i ever know.. the auto lock figure 8, makes it work like a grigri, but again DON'T FORGET to hold brake line (to control your descend) before unlock it.. Again, what a great technique !!
Doesn't work for me. As i pull for the second or third time, my figure 8 goes vertical, therefore the rope passes by itself on the big loop of the figure 8. I use a 10mm rope.
I tested this method about 3 feet above the ground, it worked but gouged my carabiner and my figure 8, because of all the friction between the two when moving the figure 8 to descend. Still an interesting idea.
this works better with a rescue 8 because you can girth hitch a sling inbetween one of the wings so its impossible to invert and spill because that could happen clove hitch into the rope
THat sounds like something I would not want to ever try doing..., if you are having issues doing SRT on only one rope, because two is easier to get over the branch, the alpine butterfly is always my fray free favorite way to hitch a rope around something way above, or far out from my reach... there are some great videos on tying it, and using it for SRT, and retrieval...
This strikes me as extremely dangerous without a backup anchor because the rope could slip around the small figure 8 loop. This video really should be deleted if this dangerous fact is not highlighted in conjunction with stressing the need for a backup connection to the rope.
@@EvanTheHamburgler I took that as a quip about climbing/tree work in general, not a specifically dangerous aspect of this technique. The fact that this technique substantially increases the possibility of death is what I'm concerned about.
As a tree climber I would advise against this. Due to how much friction added to your hardware. It looks cool. But there are plenty of other safer ways do the same thing. Slightly more expensive but it’s used in the tree climbing world. Idk how our methods work on rock climbing or caving etc. I’d personally just get a rope wrench and prusik/ hitch climber combo.
Very dangerous practice with that setup the rope can easily come disconnected from the 8 and send you falling to the ground it can work with that method but I sure would not bet my life with that setup if that rope slips off the small side of the 8 you are going down better to stick with using it for descending and invest a little money in your life and get a real ascender at the very least if you want to save money use a prusik its solid to the climbing rope with no chance of accidentally disconnecting and been used in the industry for years
Is there a name for this way of setting up the eight? Can't seem to find any other information on this technique. If anyone answers, thanks! Happy ChristmaKwanzaKahDan! (Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy Ramadan!)
I tethered one, got it working great, and safely... I can run a redirect off it, run it drt, or srt with a foot aid... just so people know it is not impossible, check out my vids for a better analysis, and more details... It still can be dangerous if not set up right, so pay close attention, and practice on it for months close to the ground, get it to fail and see if you can resolve the failure points... lot can go wrong, so be dilligent, take notes, and take care...
So glad I found this. A lot simpler and well explained than most. Cheers.
good vid.... but i need a close up shot of the rope within the device... couldnt really see what you did.
Just got my ascender and 8 today and I can’t wait to try this. I’m new to this and haven’t gotten myself a GriGri (yet) and this is the exact method I’ve been searching for. Thanks !🤘🏼🤘🏼
i really like this, I had been using a friction knot to my harness and foot pinching to ascend. it worked fine but i was not anchored to my main line to harness directly.
your method alows me to ascend using my legs and still be secured to my static mainline instead of a secondary libe with a friction knot.
emphasis on THIS SHOULD NOT BE USED EXCEPT IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS
and still some safety should be used so you dont plummet if you make a small mistake.... overall pretty sketchy but good to know... decent demo.. more safety rigging would be nice to see.. like that carabiner on the small loop maybe even tied in too...
great info though thank you
a closer view would be nice.. and better audio ... thanks though....
SAFETY FIRST
I just found your video, what a great technique . it is using "canyon auto lock" which searchable in google (if others don't know).
Need a little emphasize that before pull down the end of figure 8 to descend/unlock, DON'T FORGET to hold the brake rope with other hand (a friction hitch works best as backup, but figure-8 position need to be extended a little higher avoiding jam).
I am coming back to rope ascending after 20years off, so using figure 8 is as easy as i ever know.. the auto lock figure 8, makes it work like a grigri, but again DON'T FORGET to hold brake line (to control your descend) before unlock it..
Again, what a great technique !!
Doesn't work for me. As i pull for the second or third time, my figure 8 goes vertical, therefore the rope passes by itself on the big loop of the figure 8. I use a 10mm rope.
Me too and i fall lol
thank you for making this video it is exactly what I needed to see
I tested this method about 3 feet above the ground, it worked but gouged my carabiner and my figure 8, because of all the friction between the two when moving the figure 8 to descend. Still an interesting idea.
Unfortunately we can’t see details of how you’re rigging the figure 8.
this works better with a rescue 8 because you can girth hitch a sling inbetween one of the wings so its impossible to invert and spill because that could happen clove hitch into the rope
I always wondered how this stuff works, ty for easy explanation.
What model is your saddle?
Well done. What is the name of your saddle. It is intended to be use for hunting, I weight 260 lbs.
can someone do this with a closer camera angle because this looks better than the gri gri alot less to go wrong so can this be shown in more detail
Great video I've had my figure eight for years and never tried it as a grigi.
Would a figure eight with ears be better? I own both.
I hope you remake this video. Its great information (the parts I could hear and understand) Im going to try it. lmk if you remake it though.
Could you add a close up of the rope , figure 8, and carabiner orientation for clarity?
Thanks! I have 12mm and 13mm ropes that won't fit into the grigri/ATC or other devices for ascend. This method help to advance the belay loop up. 👍👍
can you add a new audio track? The sound of wind blowing is fairly common but your explanation of your setup isn't something I hear every day...
Ive been looking for this and i found it.
Cool!, hey, what kind of rope is that,? looks like it has memory to it... Thanks for the cool vid...
wat was the length of the cord connected to the bd nforce to the foot loop
Does this work with 2 ropes in the figure 8 at the same time?
THat sounds like something I would not want to ever try doing..., if you are having issues doing SRT on only one rope, because two is easier to get over the branch, the alpine butterfly is always my fray free favorite way to hitch a rope around something way above, or far out from my reach... there are some great videos on tying it, and using it for SRT, and retrieval...
What size rope are you using there?
I saw your short and thought you were bleeding - lol good info , thanks
If your over 200 lbs use a different method. It’s to hard to pull down on figure 8 to descend, its very scary!
awesome-yoou truly have good understanding of rope work
Only thing that REALLY sucks about this video is I can’t see where that carabiner clipped in.
This strikes me as extremely dangerous without a backup anchor because the rope could slip around the small figure 8 loop. This video really should be deleted if this dangerous fact is not highlighted in conjunction with stressing the need for a backup connection to the rope.
you mean like the part in the description where it explicitly warns people and states "YOU COULD DIE..."
@@EvanTheHamburgler I took that as a quip about climbing/tree work in general, not a specifically dangerous aspect of this technique. The fact that this technique substantially increases the possibility of death is what I'm concerned about.
@@rippleacoustics I can see both sides of the coin i guess. at the time I read it as being specific to this particular technique.
As a tree climber I would advise against this. Due to how much friction added to your hardware. It looks cool. But there are plenty of other safer ways do the same thing. Slightly more expensive but it’s used in the tree climbing world. Idk how our methods work on rock climbing or caving etc.
I’d personally just get a rope wrench and prusik/ hitch climber combo.
Very dangerous practice with that setup the rope can easily come disconnected from the 8 and send you falling to the ground it can work with that method but I sure would not bet my life with that setup if that rope slips off the small side of the 8 you are going down better to stick with using it for descending and invest a little money in your life and get a real ascender at the very least if you want to save money use a prusik its solid to the climbing rope with no chance of accidentally disconnecting and been used in the industry for years
I'm just now watching this, but hell no. Maybe for a 10' branch, but if I'm 60'........ Blake's for sure, not this figure 8 madness haha
Matthew Harvey could not agree more lol
@@DerrikNikkelStudios I just got in from trying it. My 1/2 double braid samson couldn't grab the figure 8 at all.
its better with the petzl huit ,because the square shape !!! dont to this with the round one cause it may not stop!!
That's just really great
Worked for a second then flipped up releasing the rope
Why not buy an ATC?
That dang wind.
Where does one go to get the climbing gear?
Amazon. I learned the hard way. No shops in my town whatsoever after looking and trying hard everywhere
Is there a name for this way of setting up the eight? Can't seem to find any other information on this technique.
If anyone answers, thanks! Happy ChristmaKwanzaKahDan! (Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy Ramadan!)
Thank you very much for the last part advising against this technique with a redirect. Shot my plan to hell, but saved learning the hard way.
Good video but couldn’t hear what you wear saying!
Pardon?
I tethered one, got it working great, and safely... I can run a redirect off it, run it drt, or srt with a foot aid... just so people know it is not impossible, check out my vids for a better analysis, and more details... It still can be dangerous if not set up right, so pay close attention, and practice on it for months close to the ground, get it to fail and see if you can resolve the failure points... lot can go wrong, so be dilligent, take notes, and take care...
OK, but I still prefer prusik knots to take me up.
awesome thanks man
do a close up !!
There was so much wind noise I couldn't hear a lot of what he said.
i just want to say wow.. !
That is too easy to mess up.
Niceeeee 👍🏻👍🏻
Ocho a la italiana...
Didn't see very clear how its rigged. Gave it a thumbs down; poor sound and no close up of rigging. Use at your own risk.
Needs to be refilmed
Hideous audio!!