Cabin in The Woods, Spray Foam Insulation Is Awesome! Why we used it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2020
- In this episode of Cabin in the woods, it's a pretty quick one, and it centers around Spray Foam Insulation and why we use it. The more I use spray foam insulation, the more awesome it is for what we are trying to achieve.
Spray Foam Insulation gives us three main advantages over our traditional installation of fiberglass batts.
1.) Great Thermal Capabilities
2.) Built in vapor barrier
3.) Added rigidity to our structures shell
If you have any questions about spray foam, drop them in the comments down below and I will try to cover some of them in a future video.
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That dudes van is immaculate. Usually these vans are run by people who work for a company so it's a mess and chemicals spilled everywhere they don't care and look like they are making Meth in the back as well as doing Meth themselves. I wish I could hire him here in GA.
It’s actually a very well written and comprehensive book th-cam.com/users/postUgkxhgbP-6hUnXu_QRaoHgLztgsI0YF3HqR0 . I wanted to pair this with an updated book on local codes to start planning a post-retirement dream shop. I think I have just about everything I need between the two. The extra plans available for purchase towards the end are priced almost as much as full home plans, not little sheds however.
I love that the next video is your video "why I don't use spray foam". Lol. Still a great video.
That trailer is so high tech!!!
This guy really is professional and very neat! And most of all.....the experience shows!
It’s nothing fancy that proportioner is a small cheap unit and sprayer doesn’t look very experienced I know I run a foam business never the less he did a good job and a good product
Really cool to see the machinery for the spray foam. Always fun to get a peek behind the scenes!
Great another video from R&R thanks from UK. looking forward to the chimney with rossetta stone.
Kyle, thank you for spending the extra time in showing the spray foam process. I am also interested in the final wall finish and how that will be accomplished, i.e. flush cutting the excess foam and prep for drywall.
You guys make some amazing buildings. Thanks for sharing.
I pulled off the roof, sprayfoamed, redecked and shingled. Really help the cooling and heating.
One of the best TH-cam channels out there!
What an awesome video. I'm glad you went to work on the weekend.
Me and my grandpa are building a 20x20 garage. For are pulling tractors. first time I have been a part in building a garage. My favorite part is at the end of the day seeing how much progress we have made
So satisfying to watch
It looks like a good even consistant instalation of the foam. We have used spray foam for close to 20 years here in northern WI. We have a third party do a blower door test on all our new builds to get the Focus on Energy rating WI has for new homes. Its educating to follow the guy doing our testing around with his infared camera to see the spots that insulation might be a little weak and need touched up. If the foam is lumpy like mashed potato looking those are oftern places needing another shot. Looks like you have a good spray foamer.
as you say buy once cry once absolutely spray foam especially in new construction and insulation will pay itself off the better it is the quicker it will pay itself off thank you for sharing that on your day off
Wow machinery. How terrific is this set up.
Wow man that truck setup is insane.
I sprayed foamed my home, 3500 sq ft home.
Between heating and cooling $500-$600/year
Takes about 3-5 years to make up the up front cost, and it adds 3x strength to the framing
James Edward yep. It’s was best thing we could of done on our new house in Wisconsin
If you can afford it for sure
just go to any attic in the south that is spray foamed.... its a miracle product... like 5 degrees warmer than rest of house
Up here inCanada government housing is actually now staying away from spray foam. They want nothing to do with it anymore. We also have the most strict regulations and inspection in regards to spray foam. In my experience, it works, it’s a great product, but comes with way too many headaches if not done or planned properly. Mineral wool insulation along with proper weather proofing is all you need 90% of the time
@Les Fernandez I built my house in 2003 you’re right...I didn’t mention a few details. That was my energy cost...$500-$600/year
My total to do closed cell foam in my 3500sq.ft house cost $11,400
For me to insulate with fiberglass it was going to cost $3000 so the difference is $8400
3-5 years statement... let’s use Worst case...5 years x $600/ year = $3000 in 5 years .... that was my energy bills with foam
Compared with 5 years using fiberglass... comparable homes in northern Wisconsin $1800/ year = $9000 in 5 years that’s heating and cooling all year.
So I’m not full of it. You just gotta do the math
I think I like how it seals every crack more than the insulation part.
Quite the set up! He's on his game.
I could watch this all day.
Some serious satisfaction watching that spray gun!
Spray foam is amazing. I’m in Minnesota and ice fishing is huge. I, and many other people, built my house very similar to your buildings. I actual recommend your Chanel to people who are building them with the pole shed siding to help with the trim work. But once mine was built I had it spray foamed. 3 inches in the floor and ceiling. 2 inches in the walls. Adds a crazy amount of rigidity and strength to the entire structure. Roof is 1/2” plywood covered in rubber roofing and after foam you can walk around up there with no flexing. And it’s super efficient to heat all winter.
That is so cool!!!
I’m just here to read the comments from all the experts who know more than Kyle so I can learn how to really build my next project. I wish they would all leave their business info so I could know who to hire...
LOL Great!
Lol then go study building materials and applications instead of watching a TH-cam video
Ooff the irony.. that hurts
Jeff I’d be glad to help you out. I work for a SPF manufacturer. I’d be glad to help you out with whatever you need.
Great video guys
I just spray foamed my garage yesterday 👍
That is a Great Product, But also great Installation too !!
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When it's done I wouldn't mind a walk around to look at the finished product if possible.
Love your videos and your builds.
Heatlok® HFO High Lift has a Tensile Strength of 101.3psi not to bad but also you should only spray is 3.25” thick in hot climate above 80degrees which we do have very very often down here in Florida so I would do that nationwide just to reduce product off gass and mixing issues with it. But it is nice to see you start to get into this type too.
W0W! That looks so cooooool.........
that trailer looks like a lab ! interesting how your friend chose to run with Schulz compressor and dryer (brazilian made)
Man that trailer is slick
Just got done insulating my new pole building 50x88x18. I got quotes for spray foam for $30k. Just out of my budget. I used 2” foam boards under floor. And on walls. Bought a 18 wheeler load of foam. Great deal. Have 200 sheets left to sell. So for walls and floor after i sell my extra. $2k to insulate floor and wall. Will be doing Triply on ceiling and blowing insulation up there.
Man that's is awesome! Never get sick of seeing spray foam being applyed.
Not to mention elimination of air leakage. Best to install a air exchange system as well, awesome
I used NuWool cellulose when I built my house and garage and love it. That was on 16 center studs so not sure how it would work in post frame being wider spaces between posts.
Great stuff pricey yes!!
Acho a aplicação desse produto fantástica!
É uma solução interessante para manter a construção com temperatura agradável!
Thanks for posting your videos, I have learned a lot. Have you ever mixed vinyl siding and steel? I want to put vinyl on the front face of my building but use tin on the sides and rear. Curious to know what the detail would look like at the corner? Having troubles picturing the steel corner matching up to the vinyl. Thoughts?
Good Morning everyone !
Good Morning august.
I had closed cell done...my kitchen is like a cooler! Thank you for showing the equipment! Lesson: make sure your fixture boxes are set properly because you can't mess with them or wires that are sprayed around. LOL...my electrician cranked them max out and man, was I lucky as those were for tile backing...
Hope thats the sidewinder sleve from Python on that rig! Great job!
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Can I ask who you use for your spray projects. Looks like they do a good job. Hopefully one day I'll will be calling to have you guys build my pull barn.
With this setup do you traditional stick build in front of these walls to run plumbing and electrical? Or do you cover it then run everything on top like an industrial look?
I’ve got vaulted ceiling in our living room with just 2x6 shitlaods with the shingles on top and really want to create some insulation up there. I love the idea of rocking this but even just a small ceiling would probably cost a ton.
They got DIY kits online. Its around $1-$1.25 per square foot per inch of thickness
This is coming out awesome!
Thanks bud
Yeah it is!
The attention to detail by you and the crew is awesome. Great work ethic, your routine and procedures for building is fantastic to watch...
Demlic offers R6 per inch with the new HFO sorry to brake it to you but you’re more less looking at a r18 which still is plenty of foam!! , looks alright might be spraying a little on the hot side just in my opinion. But still great product. Demelic has been around for years I currently use genyk though find it sprays awesome!
Working in the commercial fishing industry, we used closed spray foam in our fish holds, wet and freezer. I will say that this tech's set up in this video is #1 as the vendors we used had to have the sloppiest, messiest setups imaginable. We used to think they hired sprayers that never wore masks and loved to inhale the fumes even though they did wear them and we wouldn't have hired them without the proper safety and insurance credentials.
Watching him spray. Will you be having an inside 2nd wall framed?
I'm fascinated by the spray foam.
Should on new construction would you run your electric thru conduit.
Nice to see how that foam looks in process. It’s amazing how much we learn from watching your channel. Thanks!
In the south thay leave a gap at the bottom for termite inspection.
Please share the plans for insulating the ceiling.
Beautiful work! How much per sq/ft?
I absolutely agree spray foam is definitely worth the extra cost up front
Yeah, until someone replaces the siding some day. That steel siding couldn't be recycled either.
Kyle can you place a labor cost for spray foam vs. normal insulation. Seems to me that might justify the cost? Thanks
nice the new basbestes
Do you have to shave some of the foam off to fit/finish the inner wall surface?
The process is so amazing and great stuff. Man
Pricy but good.
Rock solid solution.
How much more does this cost do you figure vs regular batt insulation? Twice? Three times?
What would the cost of "X" bracing each individual bay be? the price of the bracing you do to significant corners is the bracing I am thinking about. If you added that coast onto what a traditional insulation batting material. how would the costs stack up? I'm not an engineer, and I am not sure the foam would give the same rigidity as the 2x6 bracing- my HS geometry says the foam will not make the corners the whole focus of the energies trying to push the building out of square, but I suspect that to be so.
I watch a lot of Matt Risinger; I'm wondering if you've ever built a building using the Perfect Wall insulation concept?
You use screws for a lot of stuff like the window framing is there a reason? Or would a nail gun work for stuff like that?
Good morning from St John Parish, Louisiana 26 Oct 20.
Hi, I’m curious why do you use BlockIt when you’re spray foaming the walls?
Mice and varmit are a killer using fiberglass. What is your experience with pests when using the spray foam?
what about the roof ceiling insulation? what happens there im curious. I see on other videos the trus and purlins go up soffit and fascia go up and then the roof steel go up. How would you do it if you were doing spray foam up there ?
There has been some issues with mold because of trapped air. Nice at first. Big problems not too later
Make sure you let your viewers know they need to do their homework on foam and especially the installer. As it has the many benefits, it definitely has it's possiblity for costly downsides. As building science keeps progressing, it's up to the customer to make sure they form a good trusting relationship with their contractor and hopefully get pointed in the right direction for their project. Keep up the good work K!
In the south you get extreme humidity and heat.The better you insulate the cheaper it is to cool the building.There is no way you can work inside a building on a 100 * day with high humidity.We try to save repair work for winter,but you can’t always plan when something breaks and you need your garage space..A good tight insulated building is worth the extra cost,you get the money back in the cost to heat and cool..
Is it possible to add the link to your buddies spray foam company? Thx
what are your thoughts on spray foaming the ceiling in colder climates thinking about doing it
we spray 2" on the ceiling drywall to seal the whole thing, then blow insulation over it. its extra but we do it for Habitat For Humanity houses so the new owners can save money.
How would you know there is a termite problem with the 3inch foam on top?
Cool! Or should I say warm? In any case Kyle can you use a combination of foam boards in the center of panels and spray foam around the edges?
Stan7670 yes if there is no house wrap that would work but you will lose some of the rigidity bonus probably
Honorably Shaloms ! !
I’ve used closed and open cell in my houses. Great stuff! But how are going to insulate the ceiling?
I'm thinking Brad could do the ceiling, although I suspect dragging his gun and hoses around might be a PITA. I'm thinking 8-12" of blown in place loose fill ( in previous episodes Kyle and Gregg put the house wrap blocking curtains in they usually install for blown in place loose fill).
@@fredericrike5974 right... but didn’t they already put the steel on the ceiling?
@@dllanzy Both the standing seem topping and the inside vaulted ceiling- the insulator, regardless of product will have to access the ceiling cavity through a manway on one end of the building.
I know I'm Late to the party but they said they're were doing blown in on one of the earlier videos
what kind of wood do you make the frame out of ?
What's the fire rating for this foam (
You should tell people that when you use close cell foam you have to install a air changer. That is a additional cost when seal a house air tight.
Probably not an issue in barns. The bay doors usually leak like a sieve (and there will likely be many small leaks elsewhere). But if you're welding, or something similar, yeah, venting or filtration would be a really good thing.
Shouldn't you have the exterior wiring in place before the foam. Or did I miss that it is already in? Enjoying the series.
He is spraying a three inch depth into the cavities between the 6x6 posts. The finished wall framing will bring the finished wall framing will likely put the finished wall surface flush with the interior face of the 6x6 columns. A few refilled spots for penetrations will be easy to fix with aerosol spray cans of the foam used.
would you spray foam a building that does not have full sheathing?
Welcome Matt Risinger to the comments.
LOL... Irony is a bitch Kyle. When this video completed, the 3rd video down in the list of Google recommendations was your previous video where the thumbnail had this in it: "Insulation: Why I don't use spray foam". Kinda funny isn't it...
But we still love ya man. Keep on keeping on my friend.
I Know The Video You're Talking About. If You Actually Watch It, I Think The Title Is Misleading. Kyle Really Never Said He Wouldn't Use Closed Cell Spray Foam As Insulation. He Basically Said It Depends On The Factors Of The Building In Which It Is Designed. As Stated In The Video That You're Referring To, The R-19 Fiberglass Insulation Was Best Suited For The Post Frame Building He Built At The Time Instead Of Closed Cell Spray Foam Because It Had A Better Return Value For The Customer. So The Way I Understand It Is, If You Want Either Product, See What The Return Value On Each Product Is For Your Project & Make Your Own Decision On Closed Cell Spray Foam Or Insulated Fiber Glass.
@@ohiostate1208 Another factor is likely the concrete floor had been poured for the Cabin in the Woods and the earlier structure was being insulated prior to the floor pour- as a matter of fact it was finished, top to bottom before the floor was poured IIRC.
@@ohiostate1208 : Dude you're reading so much further into my comment than you needed to. It's hard to even make a joke on the internet anymore without somebody who thinks... screw it. Not even worth the effort.
Oh and... The irony of your comment. LMAO...
@TrailTrackers 😂🤣😂🤣 I Had To Give You A Hard Time About The IRONY of Your Comment....I Knew Exactly Where You Were Going With It. It's All Good Brother! It's Good To Laugh Everyday, Good For Your Health! 😂🤣✊
@@ohiostate1208 FWIW, as a plumber coming into the trade in the '70s, I was one of the guys standing there with big "NO" faces about PVC drain plumbing. We got proved wrong about that one, but the later debacle over Qest water piping made up for it!
It's got its benefits but it looks like a lot of clean up in the studs prior to finishing and you better make sure you don't plan to change any electrical down the road lol
nice, haven't seen something like this over here. BTW What changed your mind ? TH-cam suggested to me one of your older videos called "Insulation: 5 steps to a more efficient buildings and why I don't use spray foam"
cheers mate
Nothing I never hated spray foam just not usually applicable for what we were doing this is a special project
SOOO Much $ ! I was quoted $7500+ for 3" of closed cell in my 1200sqft shop. lol
Get some more bids- the price is falling faster than the price of the chemicals that create it as it becomes more common. ICF blocks for wall building from concrete are already a better choice than the cast for forms (one time or reusable) and the "residual insulation" is a pure bonus. You have likely finished building your shop, but looking at the further bids in your own area might be enlightening for us as well.
General going rate is only $1 a square ft per inch of thickness. Best $ ever spent ! It'll pay u back in 3-5 yrs with heating/cooling bills. After that its all money saved in your pocket!
Oddly satisfying
Do you have any trouble applying foam over the vapor barrier on walls or ceiling ?
I know the there isn't any interior walls . My question is does the foam distort the exterior metal wall that is only backed by the house wrap?
It expands towards the oxygen that is introduced as the chemicals are sprayed out. That is part of the reason he first sprays the edges and void spots first before he lays down the broader coat- I would suspect there might be small void spots in some of the deeper voids, but with three inches of foam over it, will be meaningless.
The dude is leaving lots of holes. How recyclable is that stuff?
My only concern with spray foam is what if the water lines develop a leak? Or if you have to upgrade coax,electric,Cat6, find splitters for TV? Being a fiber optic installer and a DIY guy on my own home, these are my hold backs.
You can always run conduit thru your walls. Fish tape it thru. But water leaking is definitely a concern
How does this work with your electrical? Didn’t see any wires run in your building or outlets etc. I assumed all that’s ran first than sprayed over?
In this case, no the building hasn't been wire yet.
AWD3264 isn’t that a pain to deal with after the fact? Running wires etc after the foams in?
@@huronhockey8 Vaguely remember a comment that this building would use surface wiring which is common in post and beam construction. If they were going to imbed the wiring in the foam they would have wired before foaming. That ship has sailed.
Kyle, what is the R value if 6" of the spray foam?
For closed cell (2#) foam, its roughly R-6.5 to R-7 per inch. So 6" would equal out to about R-39 to R-42.
There’s info online indicating some foam installers will not spray onto house wrap products since they’re concerned about adhesion. I’ve also read that there are additives that could be put into one of vats that helps adhesion. Since the house wrap tends to be slick like plastics I wonder if this installer did any tests in advance. It adheres best to porous surfaces like concrete and plywood/wood.
The foam sprayed onto the house wrap could cause air pockets. Or it'll just peel right off since the house wrap is partly plastic.
@@gingerboyy121 I think in this situation the foam is really sticking to the lumber and being held in place like a picture frame at the edges. As long as it cures in one piece it may be fine I think but it just makes more sense to simply use mineral fibre or fibre glass.
@@puddytat62 the foam still can warp the house wrap and cause the air pockets. No matter how tight you stretch it.
@@gingerboyy121 Oh so you mean while the foam is expanding it distorts the house wrap and leaves pockets potentially.. Hmm makes sense. My concern is adhesion ... whats the point in installing it if it doesn't stay in place but causing air pockets would certainly be way worse.for sure.
@@puddytat62 for adhesion, it can be peeled off. Granted it'll stick to it but its not permanent.
Closed cell spray foam is the way to go...always.