It’s nothing fancy that proportioner is a small cheap unit and sprayer doesn’t look very experienced I know I run a foam business never the less he did a good job and a good product
It’s actually a very well written and comprehensive book th-cam.com/users/postUgkxhgbP-6hUnXu_QRaoHgLztgsI0YF3HqR0 . I wanted to pair this with an updated book on local codes to start planning a post-retirement dream shop. I think I have just about everything I need between the two. The extra plans available for purchase towards the end are priced almost as much as full home plans, not little sheds however.
That dudes van is immaculate. Usually these vans are run by people who work for a company so it's a mess and chemicals spilled everywhere they don't care and look like they are making Meth in the back as well as doing Meth themselves. I wish I could hire him here in GA.
I sprayed foamed my home, 3500 sq ft home. Between heating and cooling $500-$600/year Takes about 3-5 years to make up the up front cost, and it adds 3x strength to the framing
Up here inCanada government housing is actually now staying away from spray foam. They want nothing to do with it anymore. We also have the most strict regulations and inspection in regards to spray foam. In my experience, it works, it’s a great product, but comes with way too many headaches if not done or planned properly. Mineral wool insulation along with proper weather proofing is all you need 90% of the time
@Les Fernandez I built my house in 2003 you’re right...I didn’t mention a few details. That was my energy cost...$500-$600/year My total to do closed cell foam in my 3500sq.ft house cost $11,400 For me to insulate with fiberglass it was going to cost $3000 so the difference is $8400 3-5 years statement... let’s use Worst case...5 years x $600/ year = $3000 in 5 years .... that was my energy bills with foam Compared with 5 years using fiberglass... comparable homes in northern Wisconsin $1800/ year = $9000 in 5 years that’s heating and cooling all year. So I’m not full of it. You just gotta do the math
Kyle, thank you for spending the extra time in showing the spray foam process. I am also interested in the final wall finish and how that will be accomplished, i.e. flush cutting the excess foam and prep for drywall.
Me and my grandpa are building a 20x20 garage. For are pulling tractors. first time I have been a part in building a garage. My favorite part is at the end of the day seeing how much progress we have made
as you say buy once cry once absolutely spray foam especially in new construction and insulation will pay itself off the better it is the quicker it will pay itself off thank you for sharing that on your day off
Spray foam is amazing. I’m in Minnesota and ice fishing is huge. I, and many other people, built my house very similar to your buildings. I actual recommend your Chanel to people who are building them with the pole shed siding to help with the trim work. But once mine was built I had it spray foamed. 3 inches in the floor and ceiling. 2 inches in the walls. Adds a crazy amount of rigidity and strength to the entire structure. Roof is 1/2” plywood covered in rubber roofing and after foam you can walk around up there with no flexing. And it’s super efficient to heat all winter.
I’m just here to read the comments from all the experts who know more than Kyle so I can learn how to really build my next project. I wish they would all leave their business info so I could know who to hire...
It looks like a good even consistant instalation of the foam. We have used spray foam for close to 20 years here in northern WI. We have a third party do a blower door test on all our new builds to get the Focus on Energy rating WI has for new homes. Its educating to follow the guy doing our testing around with his infared camera to see the spots that insulation might be a little weak and need touched up. If the foam is lumpy like mashed potato looking those are oftern places needing another shot. Looks like you have a good spray foamer.
I had closed cell done...my kitchen is like a cooler! Thank you for showing the equipment! Lesson: make sure your fixture boxes are set properly because you can't mess with them or wires that are sprayed around. LOL...my electrician cranked them max out and man, was I lucky as those were for tile backing...
Working in the commercial fishing industry, we used closed spray foam in our fish holds, wet and freezer. I will say that this tech's set up in this video is #1 as the vendors we used had to have the sloppiest, messiest setups imaginable. We used to think they hired sprayers that never wore masks and loved to inhale the fumes even though they did wear them and we wouldn't have hired them without the proper safety and insurance credentials.
Can I ask who you use for your spray projects. Looks like they do a good job. Hopefully one day I'll will be calling to have you guys build my pull barn.
Heatlok® HFO High Lift has a Tensile Strength of 101.3psi not to bad but also you should only spray is 3.25” thick in hot climate above 80degrees which we do have very very often down here in Florida so I would do that nationwide just to reduce product off gass and mixing issues with it. But it is nice to see you start to get into this type too.
Make sure you let your viewers know they need to do their homework on foam and especially the installer. As it has the many benefits, it definitely has it's possiblity for costly downsides. As building science keeps progressing, it's up to the customer to make sure they form a good trusting relationship with their contractor and hopefully get pointed in the right direction for their project. Keep up the good work K!
Just got done insulating my new pole building 50x88x18. I got quotes for spray foam for $30k. Just out of my budget. I used 2” foam boards under floor. And on walls. Bought a 18 wheeler load of foam. Great deal. Have 200 sheets left to sell. So for walls and floor after i sell my extra. $2k to insulate floor and wall. Will be doing Triply on ceiling and blowing insulation up there.
I used NuWool cellulose when I built my house and garage and love it. That was on 16 center studs so not sure how it would work in post frame being wider spaces between posts.
I’ve got vaulted ceiling in our living room with just 2x6 shitlaods with the shingles on top and really want to create some insulation up there. I love the idea of rocking this but even just a small ceiling would probably cost a ton.
what about the roof ceiling insulation? what happens there im curious. I see on other videos the trus and purlins go up soffit and fascia go up and then the roof steel go up. How would you do it if you were doing spray foam up there ?
Demlic offers R6 per inch with the new HFO sorry to brake it to you but you’re more less looking at a r18 which still is plenty of foam!! , looks alright might be spraying a little on the hot side just in my opinion. But still great product. Demelic has been around for years I currently use genyk though find it sprays awesome!
My only concern with spray foam is what if the water lines develop a leak? Or if you have to upgrade coax,electric,Cat6, find splitters for TV? Being a fiber optic installer and a DIY guy on my own home, these are my hold backs.
There’s info online indicating some foam installers will not spray onto house wrap products since they’re concerned about adhesion. I’ve also read that there are additives that could be put into one of vats that helps adhesion. Since the house wrap tends to be slick like plastics I wonder if this installer did any tests in advance. It adheres best to porous surfaces like concrete and plywood/wood.
@@gprice121 I think in this situation the foam is really sticking to the lumber and being held in place like a picture frame at the edges. As long as it cures in one piece it may be fine I think but it just makes more sense to simply use mineral fibre or fibre glass.
@@gprice121 Oh so you mean while the foam is expanding it distorts the house wrap and leaves pockets potentially.. Hmm makes sense. My concern is adhesion ... whats the point in installing it if it doesn't stay in place but causing air pockets would certainly be way worse.for sure.
He is spraying a three inch depth into the cavities between the 6x6 posts. The finished wall framing will bring the finished wall framing will likely put the finished wall surface flush with the interior face of the 6x6 columns. A few refilled spots for penetrations will be easy to fix with aerosol spray cans of the foam used.
What would the cost of "X" bracing each individual bay be? the price of the bracing you do to significant corners is the bracing I am thinking about. If you added that coast onto what a traditional insulation batting material. how would the costs stack up? I'm not an engineer, and I am not sure the foam would give the same rigidity as the 2x6 bracing- my HS geometry says the foam will not make the corners the whole focus of the energies trying to push the building out of square, but I suspect that to be so.
@@huronhockey8 Vaguely remember a comment that this building would use surface wiring which is common in post and beam construction. If they were going to imbed the wiring in the foam they would have wired before foaming. That ship has sailed.
LOL... Irony is a bitch Kyle. When this video completed, the 3rd video down in the list of Google recommendations was your previous video where the thumbnail had this in it: "Insulation: Why I don't use spray foam". Kinda funny isn't it... But we still love ya man. Keep on keeping on my friend.
I Know The Video You're Talking About. If You Actually Watch It, I Think The Title Is Misleading. Kyle Really Never Said He Wouldn't Use Closed Cell Spray Foam As Insulation. He Basically Said It Depends On The Factors Of The Building In Which It Is Designed. As Stated In The Video That You're Referring To, The R-19 Fiberglass Insulation Was Best Suited For The Post Frame Building He Built At The Time Instead Of Closed Cell Spray Foam Because It Had A Better Return Value For The Customer. So The Way I Understand It Is, If You Want Either Product, See What The Return Value On Each Product Is For Your Project & Make Your Own Decision On Closed Cell Spray Foam Or Insulated Fiber Glass.
@@ohiostate1208 Another factor is likely the concrete floor had been poured for the Cabin in the Woods and the earlier structure was being insulated prior to the floor pour- as a matter of fact it was finished, top to bottom before the floor was poured IIRC.
@@ohiostate1208 : Dude you're reading so much further into my comment than you needed to. It's hard to even make a joke on the internet anymore without somebody who thinks... screw it. Not even worth the effort. Oh and... The irony of your comment. LMAO...
@TrailTrackers 😂🤣😂🤣 I Had To Give You A Hard Time About The IRONY of Your Comment....I Knew Exactly Where You Were Going With It. It's All Good Brother! It's Good To Laugh Everyday, Good For Your Health! 😂🤣✊
@@ohiostate1208 FWIW, as a plumber coming into the trade in the '70s, I was one of the guys standing there with big "NO" faces about PVC drain plumbing. We got proved wrong about that one, but the later debacle over Qest water piping made up for it!
With this setup do you traditional stick build in front of these walls to run plumbing and electrical? Or do you cover it then run everything on top like an industrial look?
we spray 2" on the ceiling drywall to seal the whole thing, then blow insulation over it. its extra but we do it for Habitat For Humanity houses so the new owners can save money.
You talked in another video about why you don't use spray foam opting for fiberglass batts. What changed your mind? Also it looks like you wrapped the building rather than spray directly on the metal. Some people say this diminishes the structural rigidity of the foam. What are your thoughts on that?
How are you going to finish the walls? We spray foamed our building and don’t really know how we’re going to attach the walls. We don’t want to come all the way outside of the post.
Thanks for posting your videos, I have learned a lot. Have you ever mixed vinyl siding and steel? I want to put vinyl on the front face of my building but use tin on the sides and rear. Curious to know what the detail would look like at the corner? Having troubles picturing the steel corner matching up to the vinyl. Thoughts?
nice, haven't seen something like this over here. BTW What changed your mind ? TH-cam suggested to me one of your older videos called "Insulation: 5 steps to a more efficient buildings and why I don't use spray foam" cheers mate
It expands towards the oxygen that is introduced as the chemicals are sprayed out. That is part of the reason he first sprays the edges and void spots first before he lays down the broader coat- I would suspect there might be small void spots in some of the deeper voids, but with three inches of foam over it, will be meaningless.
I'm thinking Brad could do the ceiling, although I suspect dragging his gun and hoses around might be a PITA. I'm thinking 8-12" of blown in place loose fill ( in previous episodes Kyle and Gregg put the house wrap blocking curtains in they usually install for blown in place loose fill).
@@dllanzy Both the standing seem topping and the inside vaulted ceiling- the insulator, regardless of product will have to access the ceiling cavity through a manway on one end of the building.
I suppose another benefit of the spray foam is sealing up the air openings to the outside of the wall. Fiberglass batts can slow the transfer of air movement but it can't eliminate air leaks.
One of the Best Ideas of SoundProofing is "SoundProof Curtains" it actually Block outside Noise coming from Windows. Check Here: livesoundproof.com/best-soundproof-curtains/
Probably not an issue in barns. The bay doors usually leak like a sieve (and there will likely be many small leaks elsewhere). But if you're welding, or something similar, yeah, venting or filtration would be a really good thing.
Hello Kyle! Approx. at 7:00 into the video you said that your clients who had opted for spray foam insulation told you that their buildings were quiet. So does that mean that spray foam insulation has good soundproofing qualities? Or does it depend on the properties of the spray foam system used? And how does the spray foam`s sound dampening performance compare to fiberglass batts, in your experience?
I’m torn between using spray foam or bat insulation... I’ve seen/heard horror stories about improperly done spray foam. Just watch marshal remodeling’s new video. I want to build a post frame house and do 16 oc spacing in between the posts. Should I just do bat insulation? I’m going to be building in Maine by the way.
I once did a remodel, and the spray foam in the walls had shrunk by at least 25%. It was loose in the walls, with large gaps at the studs, and when touched it dissolved into dust. I'm guessing it was done in the late 80's or early 90's.
Idk about the equipment cost but this is by far the most expensive type of insulation there is. It is also the best insulation as well. It's hard to justify the cost of it imo if you have to hire a professional.
There’s always been concerned about the cure time for spray foam insulation. Several years ago CBC did a documentary on a house that had spray foam improperly installed. As the expert indicates you are basically manufacturing the foam in your house so if the layers are not correct or the time is not correct or the temp is not correct it can often lead to uncured foam... th-cam.com/video/ozqnUViQIIM/w-d-xo.html
Yeah spray foam concerns me for environmental reasons. Like what if you wanted to take this building apart and reuse the framing and exterior. It’s what I do for work and has always been something I question about the process. Despite the energy efficiency gains
@@buildingsalvage Basically the expert on the video link I posted earlier indicated when you spray foam you are essentially manufacturing it in your own dwelling rather than in a controlled factory setting. So for small fill in cracks I think spray foam can be pretty impressive but not sure I would ever do a whole building. The other challenge is that once you spray those cavities those are highly insulated for sure but the studs drop the R value a ton so you end up getting bands of low insulation if you did a thermal image. Now people are starting to use spray foam sandwiched between two pieces of OSB and cladding the outside so that you have a continuous uninterrupted wall of insualtion with none of those bands. Plus they can insulate inside as well to give it even more R value. As for re using the framing once it is coated in foam.... well that sounds pretty difficult indeed . In the video that I linked the couple who had constant off gassing in their attic literally removed the entire roof... rafters and all and chucked in the garbage and rebuilt a whole new roof with no spray foam. Turns out the installer had not mixed it properly or not at the right temp or something like that ... so it all comes back to essentially manufacturing the foam in your home... which I would hazard is not ideal. Unless its done perfectly. You ever see foam burn? Now that I suspect would be highly toxic.
In the south you get extreme humidity and heat.The better you insulate the cheaper it is to cool the building.There is no way you can work inside a building on a 100 * day with high humidity.We try to save repair work for winter,but you can’t always plan when something breaks and you need your garage space..A good tight insulated building is worth the extra cost,you get the money back in the cost to heat and cool..
That trailer is so high tech!!!
This guy really is professional and very neat! And most of all.....the experience shows!
It’s nothing fancy that proportioner is a small cheap unit and sprayer doesn’t look very experienced I know I run a foam business never the less he did a good job and a good product
It’s actually a very well written and comprehensive book th-cam.com/users/postUgkxhgbP-6hUnXu_QRaoHgLztgsI0YF3HqR0 . I wanted to pair this with an updated book on local codes to start planning a post-retirement dream shop. I think I have just about everything I need between the two. The extra plans available for purchase towards the end are priced almost as much as full home plans, not little sheds however.
That dudes van is immaculate. Usually these vans are run by people who work for a company so it's a mess and chemicals spilled everywhere they don't care and look like they are making Meth in the back as well as doing Meth themselves. I wish I could hire him here in GA.
I love that the next video is your video "why I don't use spray foam". Lol. Still a great video.
One of the best TH-cam channels out there!
I sprayed foamed my home, 3500 sq ft home.
Between heating and cooling $500-$600/year
Takes about 3-5 years to make up the up front cost, and it adds 3x strength to the framing
James Edward yep. It’s was best thing we could of done on our new house in Wisconsin
If you can afford it for sure
just go to any attic in the south that is spray foamed.... its a miracle product... like 5 degrees warmer than rest of house
Up here inCanada government housing is actually now staying away from spray foam. They want nothing to do with it anymore. We also have the most strict regulations and inspection in regards to spray foam. In my experience, it works, it’s a great product, but comes with way too many headaches if not done or planned properly. Mineral wool insulation along with proper weather proofing is all you need 90% of the time
@Les Fernandez I built my house in 2003 you’re right...I didn’t mention a few details. That was my energy cost...$500-$600/year
My total to do closed cell foam in my 3500sq.ft house cost $11,400
For me to insulate with fiberglass it was going to cost $3000 so the difference is $8400
3-5 years statement... let’s use Worst case...5 years x $600/ year = $3000 in 5 years .... that was my energy bills with foam
Compared with 5 years using fiberglass... comparable homes in northern Wisconsin $1800/ year = $9000 in 5 years that’s heating and cooling all year.
So I’m not full of it. You just gotta do the math
Really cool to see the machinery for the spray foam. Always fun to get a peek behind the scenes!
Kyle, thank you for spending the extra time in showing the spray foam process. I am also interested in the final wall finish and how that will be accomplished, i.e. flush cutting the excess foam and prep for drywall.
Me and my grandpa are building a 20x20 garage. For are pulling tractors. first time I have been a part in building a garage. My favorite part is at the end of the day seeing how much progress we have made
I could watch this all day.
as you say buy once cry once absolutely spray foam especially in new construction and insulation will pay itself off the better it is the quicker it will pay itself off thank you for sharing that on your day off
Spray foam is amazing. I’m in Minnesota and ice fishing is huge. I, and many other people, built my house very similar to your buildings. I actual recommend your Chanel to people who are building them with the pole shed siding to help with the trim work. But once mine was built I had it spray foamed. 3 inches in the floor and ceiling. 2 inches in the walls. Adds a crazy amount of rigidity and strength to the entire structure. Roof is 1/2” plywood covered in rubber roofing and after foam you can walk around up there with no flexing. And it’s super efficient to heat all winter.
Great another video from R&R thanks from UK. looking forward to the chimney with rossetta stone.
I’m just here to read the comments from all the experts who know more than Kyle so I can learn how to really build my next project. I wish they would all leave their business info so I could know who to hire...
LOL Great!
Lol then go study building materials and applications instead of watching a TH-cam video
Ooff the irony.. that hurts
Jeff I’d be glad to help you out. I work for a SPF manufacturer. I’d be glad to help you out with whatever you need.
Wow machinery. How terrific is this set up.
I pulled off the roof, sprayfoamed, redecked and shingled. Really help the cooling and heating.
It looks like a good even consistant instalation of the foam. We have used spray foam for close to 20 years here in northern WI. We have a third party do a blower door test on all our new builds to get the Focus on Energy rating WI has for new homes. Its educating to follow the guy doing our testing around with his infared camera to see the spots that insulation might be a little weak and need touched up. If the foam is lumpy like mashed potato looking those are oftern places needing another shot. Looks like you have a good spray foamer.
You guys make some amazing buildings. Thanks for sharing.
Wow man that truck setup is insane.
I think I like how it seals every crack more than the insulation part.
When it's done I wouldn't mind a walk around to look at the finished product if possible.
Love your videos and your builds.
Some serious satisfaction watching that spray gun!
What an awesome video. I'm glad you went to work on the weekend.
Man that's is awesome! Never get sick of seeing spray foam being applyed.
I had closed cell done...my kitchen is like a cooler! Thank you for showing the equipment! Lesson: make sure your fixture boxes are set properly because you can't mess with them or wires that are sprayed around. LOL...my electrician cranked them max out and man, was I lucky as those were for tile backing...
So satisfying to watch
Not to mention elimination of air leakage. Best to install a air exchange system as well, awesome
Working in the commercial fishing industry, we used closed spray foam in our fish holds, wet and freezer. I will say that this tech's set up in this video is #1 as the vendors we used had to have the sloppiest, messiest setups imaginable. We used to think they hired sprayers that never wore masks and loved to inhale the fumes even though they did wear them and we wouldn't have hired them without the proper safety and insurance credentials.
Can I ask who you use for your spray projects. Looks like they do a good job. Hopefully one day I'll will be calling to have you guys build my pull barn.
Very good lad 🤩😍🙏👏👌😳👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Quite the set up! He's on his game.
Heatlok® HFO High Lift has a Tensile Strength of 101.3psi not to bad but also you should only spray is 3.25” thick in hot climate above 80degrees which we do have very very often down here in Florida so I would do that nationwide just to reduce product off gass and mixing issues with it. But it is nice to see you start to get into this type too.
W0W! That looks so cooooool.........
This is coming out awesome!
Thanks bud
Yeah it is!
Kyle can you place a labor cost for spray foam vs. normal insulation. Seems to me that might justify the cost? Thanks
Make sure you let your viewers know they need to do their homework on foam and especially the installer. As it has the many benefits, it definitely has it's possiblity for costly downsides. As building science keeps progressing, it's up to the customer to make sure they form a good trusting relationship with their contractor and hopefully get pointed in the right direction for their project. Keep up the good work K!
Just got done insulating my new pole building 50x88x18. I got quotes for spray foam for $30k. Just out of my budget. I used 2” foam boards under floor. And on walls. Bought a 18 wheeler load of foam. Great deal. Have 200 sheets left to sell. So for walls and floor after i sell my extra. $2k to insulate floor and wall. Will be doing Triply on ceiling and blowing insulation up there.
I used NuWool cellulose when I built my house and garage and love it. That was on 16 center studs so not sure how it would work in post frame being wider spaces between posts.
How much more does this cost do you figure vs regular batt insulation? Twice? Three times?
Qazaqstan 🇰🇿👋👋👋, 👍👍👍
I’ve got vaulted ceiling in our living room with just 2x6 shitlaods with the shingles on top and really want to create some insulation up there. I love the idea of rocking this but even just a small ceiling would probably cost a ton.
They got DIY kits online. Its around $1-$1.25 per square foot per inch of thickness
The attention to detail by you and the crew is awesome. Great work ethic, your routine and procedures for building is fantastic to watch...
Mice and varmit are a killer using fiberglass. What is your experience with pests when using the spray foam?
That is a Great Product, But also great Installation too !!
Man that trailer is slick
what about the roof ceiling insulation? what happens there im curious. I see on other videos the trus and purlins go up soffit and fascia go up and then the roof steel go up. How would you do it if you were doing spray foam up there ?
Acho a aplicação desse produto fantástica!
É uma solução interessante para manter a construção com temperatura agradável!
Good Morning everyone !
Good Morning august.
Watching him spray. Will you be having an inside 2nd wall framed?
Great video guys
Nice to see how that foam looks in process. It’s amazing how much we learn from watching your channel. Thanks!
That is so cool!!!
The dude is leaving lots of holes. How recyclable is that stuff?
You use screws for a lot of stuff like the window framing is there a reason? Or would a nail gun work for stuff like that?
Demlic offers R6 per inch with the new HFO sorry to brake it to you but you’re more less looking at a r18 which still is plenty of foam!! , looks alright might be spraying a little on the hot side just in my opinion. But still great product. Demelic has been around for years I currently use genyk though find it sprays awesome!
Please share the plans for insulating the ceiling.
that trailer looks like a lab ! interesting how your friend chose to run with Schulz compressor and dryer (brazilian made)
In the south thay leave a gap at the bottom for termite inspection.
Hi, I’m curious why do you use BlockIt when you’re spray foaming the walls?
Great stuff pricey yes!!
My only concern with spray foam is what if the water lines develop a leak? Or if you have to upgrade coax,electric,Cat6, find splitters for TV? Being a fiber optic installer and a DIY guy on my own home, these are my hold backs.
You can always run conduit thru your walls. Fish tape it thru. But water leaking is definitely a concern
I'm fascinated by the spray foam.
Should on new construction would you run your electric thru conduit.
There’s info online indicating some foam installers will not spray onto house wrap products since they’re concerned about adhesion. I’ve also read that there are additives that could be put into one of vats that helps adhesion. Since the house wrap tends to be slick like plastics I wonder if this installer did any tests in advance. It adheres best to porous surfaces like concrete and plywood/wood.
The foam sprayed onto the house wrap could cause air pockets. Or it'll just peel right off since the house wrap is partly plastic.
@@gprice121 I think in this situation the foam is really sticking to the lumber and being held in place like a picture frame at the edges. As long as it cures in one piece it may be fine I think but it just makes more sense to simply use mineral fibre or fibre glass.
@@puddytat62 the foam still can warp the house wrap and cause the air pockets. No matter how tight you stretch it.
@@gprice121 Oh so you mean while the foam is expanding it distorts the house wrap and leaves pockets potentially.. Hmm makes sense. My concern is adhesion ... whats the point in installing it if it doesn't stay in place but causing air pockets would certainly be way worse.for sure.
@@puddytat62 for adhesion, it can be peeled off. Granted it'll stick to it but its not permanent.
Shouldn't you have the exterior wiring in place before the foam. Or did I miss that it is already in? Enjoying the series.
He is spraying a three inch depth into the cavities between the 6x6 posts. The finished wall framing will bring the finished wall framing will likely put the finished wall surface flush with the interior face of the 6x6 columns. A few refilled spots for penetrations will be easy to fix with aerosol spray cans of the foam used.
What would the cost of "X" bracing each individual bay be? the price of the bracing you do to significant corners is the bracing I am thinking about. If you added that coast onto what a traditional insulation batting material. how would the costs stack up? I'm not an engineer, and I am not sure the foam would give the same rigidity as the 2x6 bracing- my HS geometry says the foam will not make the corners the whole focus of the energies trying to push the building out of square, but I suspect that to be so.
How does this work with your electrical? Didn’t see any wires run in your building or outlets etc. I assumed all that’s ran first than sprayed over?
In this case, no the building hasn't been wire yet.
AWD3264 isn’t that a pain to deal with after the fact? Running wires etc after the foams in?
@@huronhockey8 Vaguely remember a comment that this building would use surface wiring which is common in post and beam construction. If they were going to imbed the wiring in the foam they would have wired before foaming. That ship has sailed.
I watch a lot of Matt Risinger; I'm wondering if you've ever built a building using the Perfect Wall insulation concept?
LOL... Irony is a bitch Kyle. When this video completed, the 3rd video down in the list of Google recommendations was your previous video where the thumbnail had this in it: "Insulation: Why I don't use spray foam". Kinda funny isn't it...
But we still love ya man. Keep on keeping on my friend.
I Know The Video You're Talking About. If You Actually Watch It, I Think The Title Is Misleading. Kyle Really Never Said He Wouldn't Use Closed Cell Spray Foam As Insulation. He Basically Said It Depends On The Factors Of The Building In Which It Is Designed. As Stated In The Video That You're Referring To, The R-19 Fiberglass Insulation Was Best Suited For The Post Frame Building He Built At The Time Instead Of Closed Cell Spray Foam Because It Had A Better Return Value For The Customer. So The Way I Understand It Is, If You Want Either Product, See What The Return Value On Each Product Is For Your Project & Make Your Own Decision On Closed Cell Spray Foam Or Insulated Fiber Glass.
@@ohiostate1208 Another factor is likely the concrete floor had been poured for the Cabin in the Woods and the earlier structure was being insulated prior to the floor pour- as a matter of fact it was finished, top to bottom before the floor was poured IIRC.
@@ohiostate1208 : Dude you're reading so much further into my comment than you needed to. It's hard to even make a joke on the internet anymore without somebody who thinks... screw it. Not even worth the effort.
Oh and... The irony of your comment. LMAO...
@TrailTrackers 😂🤣😂🤣 I Had To Give You A Hard Time About The IRONY of Your Comment....I Knew Exactly Where You Were Going With It. It's All Good Brother! It's Good To Laugh Everyday, Good For Your Health! 😂🤣✊
@@ohiostate1208 FWIW, as a plumber coming into the trade in the '70s, I was one of the guys standing there with big "NO" faces about PVC drain plumbing. We got proved wrong about that one, but the later debacle over Qest water piping made up for it!
Do you have to shave some of the foam off to fit/finish the inner wall surface?
Hope thats the sidewinder sleve from Python on that rig! Great job!
Do you have any trouble applying foam over the vapor barrier on walls or ceiling ?
With this setup do you traditional stick build in front of these walls to run plumbing and electrical? Or do you cover it then run everything on top like an industrial look?
what are your thoughts on spray foaming the ceiling in colder climates thinking about doing it
we spray 2" on the ceiling drywall to seal the whole thing, then blow insulation over it. its extra but we do it for Habitat For Humanity houses so the new owners can save money.
You talked in another video about why you don't use spray foam opting for fiberglass batts. What changed your mind? Also it looks like you wrapped the building rather than spray directly on the metal. Some people say this diminishes the structural rigidity of the foam. What are your thoughts on that?
I don't typically recommend spray foam for a shop you are correct and I still won't but if a client wants to spend the money then yes I love doing it
How are you going to finish the walls? We spray foamed our building and don’t really know how we’re going to attach the walls. We don’t want to come all the way outside of the post.
I’m framing on the outside of the post.
I just spray foamed my garage yesterday 👍
Beautiful work! How much per sq/ft?
Thanks for posting your videos, I have learned a lot. Have you ever mixed vinyl siding and steel? I want to put vinyl on the front face of my building but use tin on the sides and rear. Curious to know what the detail would look like at the corner? Having troubles picturing the steel corner matching up to the vinyl. Thoughts?
nice, haven't seen something like this over here. BTW What changed your mind ? TH-cam suggested to me one of your older videos called "Insulation: 5 steps to a more efficient buildings and why I don't use spray foam"
cheers mate
Nothing I never hated spray foam just not usually applicable for what we were doing this is a special project
I know the there isn't any interior walls . My question is does the foam distort the exterior metal wall that is only backed by the house wrap?
It expands towards the oxygen that is introduced as the chemicals are sprayed out. That is part of the reason he first sprays the edges and void spots first before he lays down the broader coat- I would suspect there might be small void spots in some of the deeper voids, but with three inches of foam over it, will be meaningless.
I’ve used closed and open cell in my houses. Great stuff! But how are going to insulate the ceiling?
I'm thinking Brad could do the ceiling, although I suspect dragging his gun and hoses around might be a PITA. I'm thinking 8-12" of blown in place loose fill ( in previous episodes Kyle and Gregg put the house wrap blocking curtains in they usually install for blown in place loose fill).
@@fredericrike5974 right... but didn’t they already put the steel on the ceiling?
@@dllanzy Both the standing seem topping and the inside vaulted ceiling- the insulator, regardless of product will have to access the ceiling cavity through a manway on one end of the building.
I know I'm Late to the party but they said they're were doing blown in on one of the earlier videos
I suppose another benefit of the spray foam is sealing up the air openings to the outside of the wall. Fiberglass batts can slow the transfer of air movement but it can't eliminate air leaks.
One of the Best Ideas of SoundProofing is "SoundProof Curtains" it actually Block outside Noise coming from Windows. Check Here: livesoundproof.com/best-soundproof-curtains/
You should tell people that when you use close cell foam you have to install a air changer. That is a additional cost when seal a house air tight.
Probably not an issue in barns. The bay doors usually leak like a sieve (and there will likely be many small leaks elsewhere). But if you're welding, or something similar, yeah, venting or filtration would be a really good thing.
Cool! Or should I say warm? In any case Kyle can you use a combination of foam boards in the center of panels and spray foam around the edges?
Stan7670 yes if there is no house wrap that would work but you will lose some of the rigidity bonus probably
What's the fire rating for this foam (
Hello Kyle! Approx. at 7:00 into the video you said that your clients who had opted for spray foam insulation told you that their buildings were quiet. So does that mean that spray foam insulation has good soundproofing qualities? Or does it depend on the properties of the spray foam system used? And how does the spray foam`s sound dampening performance compare to fiberglass batts, in your experience?
would you spray foam a building that does not have full sheathing?
How would you know there is a termite problem with the 3inch foam on top?
I absolutely agree spray foam is definitely worth the extra cost up front
Yeah, until someone replaces the siding some day. That steel siding couldn't be recycled either.
I’m torn between using spray foam or bat insulation... I’ve seen/heard horror stories about improperly done spray foam. Just watch marshal remodeling’s new video. I want to build a post frame house and do 16 oc spacing in between the posts. Should I just do bat insulation? I’m going to be building in Maine by the way.
I once did a remodel, and the spray foam in the walls had shrunk by at least 25%. It was loose in the walls, with large gaps at the studs, and when touched it dissolved into dust. I'm guessing it was done in the late 80's or early 90's.
what kind of wood do you make the frame out of ?
How much is this eguipment cost, I am living in europ but i have never seen this stuf and I am very interested
Idk about the equipment cost but this is by far the most expensive type of insulation there is. It is also the best insulation as well. It's hard to justify the cost of it imo if you have to hire a professional.
Man that stuff looks so toxic... How long does it off gas during and after curing?
3 hrs
There’s always been concerned about the cure time for spray foam insulation. Several years ago CBC did a documentary on a house that had spray foam improperly installed. As the expert indicates you are basically manufacturing the foam in your house so if the layers are not correct or the time is not correct or the temp is not correct it can often lead to uncured foam... th-cam.com/video/ozqnUViQIIM/w-d-xo.html
Yeah spray foam concerns me for environmental reasons. Like what if you wanted to take this building apart and reuse the framing and exterior. It’s what I do for work and has always been something I question about the process. Despite the energy efficiency gains
@@buildingsalvage Basically the expert on the video link I posted earlier indicated when you spray foam you are essentially manufacturing it in your own dwelling rather than in a controlled factory setting. So for small fill in cracks I think spray foam can be pretty impressive but not sure I would ever do a whole building. The other challenge is that once you spray those cavities those are highly insulated for sure but the studs drop the R value a ton so you end up getting bands of low insulation if you did a thermal image. Now people are starting to use spray foam sandwiched between two pieces of OSB and cladding the outside so that you have a continuous uninterrupted wall of insualtion with none of those bands. Plus they can insulate inside as well to give it even more R value. As for re using the framing once it is coated in foam.... well that sounds pretty difficult indeed .
In the video that I linked the couple who had constant off gassing in their attic literally removed the entire roof... rafters and all and chucked in the garbage and rebuilt a whole new roof with no spray foam. Turns out the installer had not mixed it properly or not at the right temp or something like that ... so it all comes back to essentially manufacturing the foam in your home... which I would hazard is not ideal. Unless its done perfectly. You ever see foam burn? Now that I suspect would be highly toxic.
There has been some issues with mold because of trapped air. Nice at first. Big problems not too later
Is there no danger of condensation or moisture trapping between the foam and the timber?
There is when you spray it to house wrap. It will create an air pocket.
Is it possible to add the link to your buddies spray foam company? Thx
In the south you get extreme humidity and heat.The better you insulate the cheaper it is to cool the building.There is no way you can work inside a building on a 100 * day with high humidity.We try to save repair work for winter,but you can’t always plan when something breaks and you need your garage space..A good tight insulated building is worth the extra cost,you get the money back in the cost to heat and cool..
.... so the building won't be moving any more? :)
I’m late to this video, but I was reading through the comments to not be the 2nd guy to say this. I think we are the funniest people we know. 😅😂🤣
How much do these spray foam people make an hour? It reminds me of when I was spraying stain and lacquer at Basketville in Putney Vt.
10 cents a ft per inch..piece rate..
@@punisher8426 I'm not very reliable in math but I figured it would be 900 dollars for 300 square ft @ 3 inches. Is that correct?
Yes that is about what a reputable company would charge you...
I know most spray foams are not a vapour barrier, so what is special about this product that makes it a sealer?