I want the quote "It's like Blade Runner, only this time it's the humans who are the bad guys" printed on the fucking boxart. Nothing else will ever summarise this game, or its creator, more clearly than that beautiful word salad.
The whole "don't write about a rookie solider because you don't know what that's like" argument from Cage is so flaccid. While I agree that one can portray something better if they have firsthand experience of it, that depends more on the ability of the writer than anything else. That's like telling Tolkien not to write The Lord of the Rings because he's never talked to a hobbit. Fuck off.
What I mean is that Cage is trying to invalidate stories that have no basis in our reality, which is ironic because Tolkien's fictional world is far more interesting than ANYTHING David Cage can create in ours.
David Cage wrote a story about a man who got possessed and murdered someone, a story about a father who lost his child to a murderer/kidnapper, a person who was sucked into the world of a videogame and about an american teenage girl FBI agent with ghost powers. and he says 'dont write games where you dont know the subject matter' like, what the fuck.
"Don't write about being a rookie solider, because you don't know what that's like." Well David, don't talk about making interesting games, because YOU don't know what THAT'S like.
Slightly off topic, but Titanfall 2's story was way more engaging than FPS titles I've played because I liked the interplay of Pilot and Titan talking shit.
PolarPhantom It is probably the most engaging FPS single-player campaign since COD: Modern Warfare or Halo 3, especially since single-player in shooters has been less and less impressive lately. Just so many setpiece moments and fun dialogue.
Heavy Metal Collector I disagree, but respect your opinion. I think Halo 3 has some incredibly fun scenes, and gorgeous set design along with me just being a huge fan of the aesthetic and series gameplay. That said Titanfall 2’s story kicks fucking ass and handles AI super well, if a bit simply.
Turns out that David Cage has Pat's more powerful stand [Crazy Talk] Requiem. Guess that explains why Beyond Two Souls had a stand-user as the main character.
Christian Hansen So... you're telling me that Pat is the descendant of whoever's body it is that David Cage put his severed head on? Sounds about right. We can only wait until Pat learns how to use [Crazy Talk] to it's fullest potential to defeat D.CAGE.
seeing that this is just about android slaves is the most damning thing after playing nier automated and being shown that you can do so much more with this prospect then just "slavery is bad"
Cage loves the smell of his own farts so much that he pushes it on others so they may also love them. And all of those people agree that his farts are full of shit.
the idea of what it means to be human it's best told when you combine both androids that develop personalities and cyborgs that are so mechanical there's little meat left and what this means legally kinda like GitS
Well yes, the androids saw more humane to use this type of androids instead of of the other for the hard work because they are inferior, like the games added a lot more but there is slavery aspect there
David Cage treats interviews as if he were a character in his own video game trying to figure out what is the best answer to each question so he can get a platinum rank.
In the interest of fairness, it sounds like David wasn't saying his game has no message, it sounds like David was saying he doesn't promote, one way or another, whether one should fight for civil rights by violent or non-violent means. Literally everything else the best friends have to say, however, is basically spot on.
at that point though, why make your game have civil rights themes if you have nothing really to say about it? like out of all the plots you could make with robots that haven't been explored, why even bother with this one specific theme you don't want to say and apparently aren't qualified enough to write about cause he's not a robot fighting for civil rights?????? remember when this game was supposed to be about kara?
Fuji Syusuke saying you are neutral about a particular topic is fine. Spearheading a game about a very particular stance on that topic is also fine. But doing both? It's insincere at best, hollow bullshit at worst.
A month ago Twitter had a small influx of comparing Yoko Taro and Cage, since the latter did some interview and Automata was freshly relesed. When Detroit gets an LP, I hope the Zaibatsu (or at least Pat) embrace the parallels head on.
Hilarious exchange, but holy shit, why does every single conversation Woolie has devolves into fighting game jargon? I'd understand it better if he was GOOD at them. I want to see him make wedding vows.
He dose a super then cancels out of it then grabs the air. now wait for super best friends to whip out their scerect moves that will put david cage to shame
The best part is at 20:25 in my opinion, where you suddenly learn that this whole time Woolie has been taking that stupid image of David Cage's face and making it bigger and bigger on the big Zaibatsu office TV.
Robot comes from the Slavic word for worker. It originates in early 20th sci fi criticism of capitalism. Wage slavery is the condition of the working class.
I just tried out the demo and I'm somewhat interested. Now, before you all burn me at the stake, I'll wait for the reviews. However, from what I've seen, the gameplay is pretty much all of Norman Jayden's CSI work, but more detailed and those were the best parts in Heavy Rain!
I promise you, if you want want your kickstarter to make a cool million, have one of the end goal teirs be getting to kidnap David Cage and throw his ass off a building, you'd get funded in no time flat.....the actual going through with it part is up you if its worth the risk XD
Hey, can anyone help me out with something? I'm trying to write a persuasive essay on David Cage for a project, and I'm trying to find the sources for these quotes. Can anyone provide the sources for me?
I feel like this is going to become the gundam seed/density for the rest of tbfp because the way they are describing the process of this game that isn't out yet, this is going to become a trainwreck of fucking proportions
I'm willing to give it a chance, who knows maybe it can be another Heavy Rain which is an ok game I can respect, besides it can't possibly be worse than Omikron I mean at the very least I'm sure that it can be better mechanically
just a REALLY petty gripe but there's more you can do with android fiction than slavery allegories. there's interesting grounds for nerdo philosophy regarding the real-world implications of AI. granted, more often not you get uh. transcendence, but EY. we got do androids dream of electric sheep too.
It's simple; all we/you need to do is check out every recent popular sci-fi movie released that David Cage would have no doubt seen, filter them through the mind of a 12 year old child with ADHD, filter them again through the mind of a perverted loner with delusions of grandeur...then you will have a pretty good head-start on what content to expect in Detroit: Becoming David Cage.
This android drama David cage is trying to make already exists. I don't remember the name but its a recent British show I think and the androids had green eyes.
Cage: 'there's no overarching message', 'i'm just asking questions' Oh, your just trying to capitalize on controversy over a delicate issue to get games sold and try and rack up those moral brownie points. Possibly to cover for the creepy way you treated Ellen Page in that other game. If that seems morally wrong that's because it definitely is. using very serious and polarising issues to mend your image as well as earn some cash is immoral as hell. Any piece of media added to a volatile issue that isn't delicate, aimed at objectivity, and built specifically to address the issue is just making it worse by adding more half baked opinions on one side or the other. Cage is garbage.
lol this aged poorly because the game was actually pretty solid for what it was. i get shitting on david cage cuz hes made some garbage but the way they dissect every single word he says as if he had a planned well thought out response to these interview questions is pathetic.
> solid I mean the fact that looking back on it, Hank and Connor's relationship is the only one that is heavily praised says a lot. And I say relationship because even some of their story like robot hookers and Kamski was bad. They've said it before, it's the least messy one of his entries.
"The train _wreck_ implies that it was on the rails at some point."
That's a great phrase right there.
12:21
I want the quote "It's like Blade Runner, only this time it's the humans who are the bad guys" printed on the fucking boxart. Nothing else will ever summarise this game, or its creator, more clearly than that beautiful word salad.
TBot Alpha wasnt the book showed the replicans as more of the bad guys
J D Not really, it showed that replicans are just as human as humans; they're being discriminated for existing.
The whole "don't write about a rookie solider because you don't know what that's like" argument from Cage is so flaccid. While I agree that one can portray something better if they have firsthand experience of it, that depends more on the ability of the writer than anything else. That's like telling Tolkien not to write The Lord of the Rings because he's never talked to a hobbit. Fuck off.
Hobbits are fictional though
What I mean is that Cage is trying to invalidate stories that have no basis in our reality, which is ironic because Tolkien's fictional world is far more interesting than ANYTHING David Cage can create in ours.
David Cage wrote a story about a man who got possessed and murdered someone, a story about a father who lost his child to a murderer/kidnapper, a person who was sucked into the world of a videogame and about an american teenage girl FBI agent with ghost powers.
and he says 'dont write games where you dont know the subject matter' like, what the fuck.
I think he's been involved... maybe not the victim though
He's never *been* raped
I guess David Cage must have had the spirit of his dead twin following him around at one point, otherwise he wouldn't have written about it.
7:49
It seems that Cage has read some articles about Nier:Automata and thought it sounded cool.
John Chi I like that you said "read some articles" because of course he doesn't play games.
These podcasts along with the LP make such a unique vertical slice of the internet.
"Don't write about being a rookie solider, because you don't know what that's like."
Well David, don't talk about making interesting games, because YOU don't know what THAT'S like.
or, to ground things up... dont write about being a teenage girl with ghost powers if you have not experienced that sort of things...
Or don't write about creepy older men that want to rape Ellen Page, because... oh wait...
He doesn't know about Federal Agents but he had no problem writing one BADLY in Heavy Rain.
Ellen Page WAS A FUCKING ROOKIE SOLDIER.
Clearly he does, since the Zaibatsu are in the minority.
"I'm tired of space marines." Y'know what, I'm gonna predict now that Titanfall 2's take on AI is better that what this game will have.
The designs of the Titanfall specters and normal foot soldiers is years better then most of cages stuff
Slightly off topic, but Titanfall 2's story was way more engaging than FPS titles I've played because I liked the interplay of Pilot and Titan talking shit.
PolarPhantom It is probably the most engaging FPS single-player campaign since COD: Modern Warfare or Halo 3, especially since single-player in shooters has been less and less impressive lately. Just so many setpiece moments and fun dialogue.
Heavy Metal Collector I disagree, but respect your opinion. I think Halo 3 has some incredibly fun scenes, and gorgeous set design along with me just being a huge fan of the aesthetic and series gameplay. That said Titanfall 2’s story kicks fucking ass and handles AI super well, if a bit simply.
that was a very good if not difficult to accomplish prediction XD
Turns out that David Cage has Pat's more powerful stand [Crazy Talk] Requiem. Guess that explains why Beyond Two Souls had a stand-user as the main character.
The Funky Zebra David Cage's The World to Pat's Star Platinum, if you will.
Christian Hansen So... you're telling me that Pat is the descendant of whoever's body it is that David Cage put his severed head on?
Sounds about right. We can only wait until Pat learns how to use [Crazy Talk] to it's fullest potential to defeat D.CAGE.
The Funky Zebra The baldness, the Frenchness...it all makes sense!
STOP MAKING DAVID CAGE SOUND COOL!!
Pat and David Cage are like the Rats from DIU, they got hit by the Arrow at the same time, giving them the same Stand.
I can almost hear Liam faintly yelling "hey guys it's not that bad".
MrNinjaBurger as he looks up at the sky and clutches at his heart
or maybe he's grown cynical now he's 16
And you hear gun fire in the back ground while pat screams for Liam being wrong
I can also faintly hear Pat throwing Liam off the roof of Quantic Dreams HQ
seeing that this is just about android slaves is the most damning thing after playing nier automated and being shown that you can do so much more with this prospect then just "slavery is bad"
This man is the DarkSydePhil of game developers.
He's more of a Rob Liefeld
Tanya von Degurechaff
Todd Howard is more like DSP, sucking money out of their fans.
"I made ze quality khantent"
@@YouSoSpice Rob Liefeld eventually practiced and made an effort to improve.
@@CaptainDoomsday damn
Inspired by the movie "I, Robot", David Cage brings us his latest video game: "I, Made ze Bad Game".
"I, Dumpster Fire"
Cage loves the smell of his own farts so much that he pushes it on others so they may also love them. And all of those people agree that his farts are full of shit.
Praise the Beef As are most farts to be fair.
the idea of what it means to be human it's best told when you combine both androids that develop personalities and cyborgs that are so mechanical there's little meat left and what this means legally
kinda like GitS
I see I wasn't the only one salty when Cage said he didn't like Space Marines.
Clockwork Physicist what? what is he a taufag?
"ALL android fiction is a slavery metaphor" - Man who played NieR: Automata a month ago.
Well yes, the androids saw more humane to use this type of androids instead of of the other for the hard work because they are inferior, like the games added a lot more but there is slavery aspect there
That game where all the androids that blindly serve humanity are dressed to look like maids and servants? No slavery subtext at all.
New from Quantic Dream, Dilemma: Become the Bad Game
FightFan4465 Game Design: Become Failure
David Cage treats interviews as if he were a character in his own video game trying to figure out what is the best answer to each question so he can get a platinum rank.
In the interest of fairness, it sounds like David wasn't saying his game has no message, it sounds like David was saying he doesn't promote, one way or another, whether one should fight for civil rights by violent or non-violent means.
Literally everything else the best friends have to say, however, is basically spot on.
at that point though, why make your game have civil rights themes if you have nothing really to say about it? like out of all the plots you could make with robots that haven't been explored, why even bother with this one specific theme you don't want to say and apparently aren't qualified enough to write about cause he's not a robot fighting for civil rights??????
remember when this game was supposed to be about kara?
Fuji Syusuke saying you are neutral about a particular topic is fine. Spearheading a game about a very particular stance on that topic is also fine. But doing both? It's insincere at best, hollow bullshit at worst.
David Cage is the only reason I have difficulties trusting Jesse Cox's taste in games.
Edit: less Ad Hominem
Логан Кейн I wanna believe he's being ironic.
So do I, but he also enjoys bad FMV acting, so...idk
Bad FMV acting is one of the best things about 90's era videogaming. I wish more games would embrace it like Red Alert does.
Except when you play (or watch) a super not fun bad Fmv game
Fuck The Bunker
Timeghost you think I don't know that? :)
“You’re not going to get with me? Mr Shit-In-His-Pants?!” - David Cage
A month ago Twitter had a small influx of comparing Yoko Taro and Cage, since the latter did some interview and Automata was freshly relesed.
When Detroit gets an LP, I hope the Zaibatsu (or at least Pat) embrace the parallels head on.
If you think about it, David Cage is just a more successful Tommy Wiseau.
Heresy! Only Tommy Wiseau has the chance of becoming more successful than himself.
Collab when
David Cage has become a singularity of fallacies and confusion and the Best Friends are in danger of being sucked in.
N00BSYBORG Its already episode zero, it's too late. We are lost!!!
David Cage is the Stephenie Meyer of the game industry: no talent, pretentious af, yet makes all the money
Me: When is this guy going to stop making games?
David: Hold ooooon, just a little while loooonger.
The Cage cometh.
Cage Man!! Ooooo!! Fighter of the Best Friends! Ooooo! Champion of ze games!! He's a master of game design and koopies for everyone!!
Hilarious exchange, but holy shit, why does every single conversation Woolie has devolves into fighting game jargon? I'd understand it better if he was GOOD at them. I want to see him make wedding vows.
Vashthesexystampede Maybe if you wanted to see him Izuna Drop his short haired bride.
Woolie only knows fighting games
He only comunicates in finghing games
Vashthesexystampede lol yeah that's just the man he is
Plague Doctor D And Jojo references.
Wait, in Beyond Two Souls, wasn't Ellen Page a rookie soldier? Does David Cage know what that's like?
FBI agent, not soldier. Right? I might be wrong.
@@altosforteaquax5083 No, you're right. I just got confused cause of that one level I forgot the name of.
@@altosforteaquax5083 no she was a soldier sadly, there’s literally a whole scene of her in Afghanistan killing some kids father :/
How does David continue to get big actors to be in his games
I'm convinced he just has so much money to spend.
Not from game revenue, just that he has money he doesn't plan on spending for him or his company.
He never gets them twice.
Inb4 android rape scene.
I was at Too Many Games when they introduced Part 0.0, since then I have never been more excited to see a trainwreck of a game.
He dose a super then cancels out of it then grabs the air.
now wait for super best friends to whip out their scerect moves that will put david cage to shame
I made ze bad game!
I can't fucking wait for this trainwreck of an LP.
in his defense, the game looks REALLY good though.......
that being said, I can't wait for this sadness LP
Oh the quantic dream team makes games that look really pretty, but David cage makes games that feel really bad
Erik Williams They ALL look good before they come out. They all start amazing. That's just how he makes them, to fool people.
K Beach example Until Dawn (arguably)
I feel like David Cage is the Tommy Wiseau of video games
I have a feeling Cage is completely on HARD DRUGS 100% of the time. Nothing he does makes any sense.
This interview is proof to me that David Cage is Bizaro world Hideo Kojima
David "Oh I make the bad game" Cage
David cage is the true master of crazy talk
I think there’s a golden rule all aspiring writers must follow: don’t be David Cage.
The best part is at 20:25 in my opinion, where you suddenly learn that this whole time Woolie has been taking that stupid image of David Cage's face and making it bigger and bigger on the big Zaibatsu office TV.
Solidus would you be a dear and make one of these for their impression on AoT Season 2?
Which cast was that?
Exactly this one.
That1Weirdo Oh yeah, that was a great conversation. The moment they focused was also what blew me away the most.
God, I can’t believe it has been 11 months since this was put out, and D:BH is nowhere near the dumpster fire I thought it was going to be.
I hope David cage never stops making horrible games so that i can enjoy the best friends constantly shitting on them
@Triple Four ouch. I wrote this comment 3 years ago, and you just rubbed salt into that wound
Despite all my rage I'm still just David Cage
Robot comes from the Slavic word for worker. It originates in early 20th sci fi criticism of capitalism. Wage slavery is the condition of the working class.
Matt's "THEY'RE ALL ANDROIDS" realization/reaction cracks me up.
I think the most baffling thing about this game is how many people are on board with this game and don't know about David Cage's massive fuck-ups.
I just tried out the demo and I'm somewhat interested. Now, before you all burn me at the stake, I'll wait for the reviews. However, from what I've seen, the gameplay is pretty much all of Norman Jayden's CSI work, but more detailed and those were the best parts in Heavy Rain!
I promise you, if you want want your kickstarter to make a cool million, have one of the end goal teirs be getting to kidnap David Cage and throw his ass off a building, you'd get funded in no time flat.....the actual going through with it part is up you if its worth the risk XD
I mean, is the android thing even a metaphor? It’s literally just slavery
Can we somehow organize a sit-down interview between Matt, Pat,Woolie and David Cage?
Hey, can anyone help me out with something? I'm trying to write a persuasive essay on David Cage for a project, and I'm trying to find the sources for these quotes. Can anyone provide the sources for me?
Oh nooooo...
Nooooo...
Nonononononono!!
How the hell can he manage this infastructure!
WTF?!? IS THERE A CAGE FUND.
This was my favorite podcast in a while.
I feel like this is going to become the gundam seed/density for the rest of tbfp because the way they are describing the process of this game that isn't out yet, this is going to become a trainwreck of fucking proportions
Been waiting for this
God, this game has the potential to be the worst of the bunch.
part of me hopes so.
angrybrony I mean I'd be lying if I said I wasn't exited to see David Cage just butcher transhumanism.
I'm willing to give it a chance, who knows maybe it can be another Heavy Rain which is an ok game I can respect, besides it can't possibly be worse than Omikron I mean at the very least I'm sure that it can be better mechanically
Or the best? This game could be incredibly cool
i dout that.
android fiction vs marvel function
just a REALLY petty gripe but there's more you can do with android fiction than slavery allegories. there's interesting grounds for nerdo philosophy regarding the real-world implications of AI. granted, more often not you get uh. transcendence, but EY. we got do androids dream of electric sheep too.
cant wait for the eventual playthrough
I wonder if you guys could do persona now, or has that not been lifted yet
I can't wait for this LP.
... I, Robot.
It's simple; all we/you need to do is check out every recent popular sci-fi movie released that David Cage would have no doubt seen, filter them through the mind of a 12 year old child with ADHD, filter them again through the mind of a perverted loner with delusions of grandeur...then you will have a pretty good head-start on what content to expect in Detroit: Becoming David Cage.
a full 11 months before the game even came out
"Beyond whatever the fuck", yes, yes, that is the correct name for that game
Detroit is Schrodinger's David Cage Game
David Cage is the Uwe Boll/Tommy Wiseau of video games
Steven fucking Spielberg producer and creator
He did saving private Ryan
i cannot. fucking. wait
Can we all just play NieR Automata again?
This android drama David cage is trying to make already exists. I don't remember the name but its a recent British show I think and the androids had green eyes.
It's going to be a fucking trainwreck.
YouSoSpice when was it on the rails in the first place
Petition to Colony Drop the Quantic Dreams company and David Cage's household.
I'm so excited
Didnt one of his games kill the rising superstar?
press X to emancipate
It could have been amazing. It really could have. But He fucking caged it
interesting news about Cage today.
Oh shit I just read that too XD WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE AMIRITE
DAVID CAGE IS KINDA RACIST AND KINDA INAPPROPRIATE.
still cant believe hes still making games after almost getting sued by ellen paige
hope this is his last game but i doubt it
i miss liam
I almost kinda hope that he keeps making games to see how far the trainwrweak goes
Why would you make your labor/slave robot have skin, there's no reason
not scare the kids
it sounds a bit like he play nier automata and understood half of it
why are people hyped for david cages new game again???
more sadness
no but seriously.
the best friends even acknowledge it basically like this "the people who like it will keep liking it"
its all the same just 3 different characters, nothing changed.
No racial parallels
Also
Robots have to sit on back of bus
They don’t even sit, they stand in a separate compartment.
Just don't buy the game, I certainty won't.
Cage: 'there's no overarching message', 'i'm just asking questions'
Oh, your just trying to capitalize on controversy over a delicate issue to get games sold and try and rack up those moral brownie points. Possibly to cover for the creepy way you treated Ellen Page in that other game.
If that seems morally wrong that's because it definitely is. using very serious and polarising issues to mend your image as well as earn some cash is immoral as hell.
Any piece of media added to a volatile issue that isn't delicate, aimed at objectivity, and built specifically to address the issue is just making it worse by adding more half baked opinions on one side or the other.
Cage is garbage.
When the game is actually good as hell
Why are people saying this game is bad like that’s a fact? This game is amazing lol.
Dawg the game sucked.
It is genuinely one of the worst android/AI slave narratives I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing.
lol this aged poorly because the game was actually pretty solid for what it was. i get shitting on david cage cuz hes made some garbage but the way they dissect every single word he says as if he had a planned well thought out response to these interview questions is pathetic.
> solid
I mean the fact that looking back on it, Hank and Connor's relationship is the only one that is heavily praised says a lot. And I say relationship because even some of their story like robot hookers and Kamski was bad.
They've said it before, it's the least messy one of his entries.