In Law, what they are doing is NOT harassment. People need to educate themselves as this is what gets them in to trouble. Look how many cases those freemen of the land ever won - absolutely none!
@@Bond2025You can legally claim harassment after removing their implied right of access to your property. After an occasion where they come to the door after you've removed their right of access to the property, you can go to court with a lawyer present and have them go through the motions. The protection from harassment act 1997 section 1a and 1b states that a person should not act in a manner that amounts to harassment, and that they know or ought to know is harassment. There is an exception to this where they can claim they were doing it to detect or prevent a crime, however, if they have no access to the property, it isn't a reasonable exception under subsection 3c. I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect that's how a court case would end up looking like.
You will never get them for harassment because it’s covered in the legal act they do all this. 44.000+ people were convicted last year, so, if the send an official legal notice - reply not guilty
If it is a crime Basic scenario they had a search warrant and they found I was watching live TV Why wouldn’t the police officer arrest you for that crime It is not a crime it is an act If it was a criminal offence then they would arrest you
If the BBC were investigated for anything, the BBC and the people investigating them would be able to do it at their next dinner party. The whole thing is a stitch up by a tiny, un-represrntative, social set.
I've lost count of the number of threatening letters I've received I could paper my Walls countless times with them. I will never pay the TV tax and if they are that bothered stop transmitting into my Home!
Yep, same for me. ‘The legal owner’ Not having had a licence ‘ever’… for over 35 years I have received these letters over the years to which I have never ever responded or communicated with them in any shape or form. [they have no idea who is living at my address or even if it is occupied or not] They started off being addressed to the legal owner because they don’t know who I am, then suddenly after a few years my name appeared on the envelope as if they had somehow found out I am, I ignored them as usual… then after several months they reverted back to being addressed to the legal owner again, Then another couple of years later they again came with the envelopes addressed to me by my name, [again into the bin they went] and then again after a few months they reverted back to being addressed to the legal owner [and so the cycle continued for quite a few years] I eventually worked out that they must be periodically checking the electoral role with the local council to see who is registered to vote and living at my address, then after failing to get a response my address would go back into the pile of unknown occupants until the next time they check the council register again. Interestingly they haven’t put my real name on their letters for the last 15 years or so, now it is always addressed to ‘the legal owner’ It makes me think that the more you ignore them the further under their radar you become.
They claim to 'go easy' on the over 75s and at one time even stated they wouldn't prosecute over 75s, but if you're an over 75 'legal occupier' you'll be getting the same threatening letters, designed to intimidate and mislead, as everybody else.
I'm almost 80, and pay the licence fee simply because I don't want my nervous wife worrying about it, and because she does watch live TV (obsessively.) I hardly watch TV at all. Allowing the licence to lapse as I simply didn't have the money at the time (neither my energy supplier nor local council having consciences either) I was soon receiving threatening letters by name. So - not just thieves and vagabonds, but liars too.
@@jackwaycombeChin Up Jack, don't pay it. So easy if they come round as Door to Door, sale's persons. Just say No Thank You and Shut The Door. Just don't watch bbc or the bbc iplayer. They are scum. Put the money to your food or heating. 🙏🏻
Cancelled my DD in June this year. Had at least 5 letters in the post, each one getting more threatening. And an "enforcement officer" knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago and hand posted a red and white letter ( no name or house number) more or less accusing me of lying that I wasn't following the ..no licence rules. But I am❓ Have to admit....it's worrying me. But I'm not funding their nonesense. 👍
@@cassandrade-wolfe6926 Don't let their nasty threats worry you. Anything more nasty like that put through your letterbox just DONT react... chuck straight into the bin. They'll get tired of trying to intimidate you that way in the end.... and take all of Jon (CJC)'s advice on what to do if you open the door to someone and find it's them. Two very short words... "No thanks" and slam the door closed. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
The airwaves are (or should be) free. They have no right to charge you for such a naturally existing thing, it is like charging you for using oxygen. They are the ones actually using the airwaves, therefore they are the people who should be, if anyone, doing the paying. This is just another example of government exceeding their powers for criminal gain, just like using traffic cops for revenue collection. Motorists, another poor cash cow. Bloody gangsters.
I actually do feel better after listening to you go through the letters with us. Mine have got more intimidating as time goes on even though I'm following the rules. Even got an unannounced goon knocking, who then posted a warning for good measure, with his "enforcement officer" number on it. I ignored his attempts to get me to answer the door. I object to being called a liar by the biggest lying corporation in the UK.
I really think we should band together and sue the BBC for harassment. As no other company sends letters like this and would not be allowed to. Could you imagine if Netflix sent these type of letters. Come on BBC start doing the right thing and behave in a proper manner.
Proper manner? Surely the last few years have shown that the BBC doesn't know the meaning of the phrase. It's little more than a Home Counties private club with a hand in all our pockets.
As an Australian a TV license is nuts. At most we fund our governments TV channel via our taxes. (and I don't even watch it these days) and the privately owned stations make their money from advertising. I see a lot of these videos and the one thing I never see is the posters telling people to challenge the law in parliament. To get off their backsides and protest. Write to their MP's etc. Just a lot of impotent raging and putting up with it. Superman does not exist. He is not coming. Save yourselves, because nobody else is going to do it.
I've been watching you on my 40 inch Panasonic TV, but I haven't had a TV licence for 3 years. Only got 9 threatening letters and a visit from a goon before they backed off. I did phone them to tell them, and they basically repeated the same crap from that letter to me over the phone. I always thought sending threatening letters through the post was a criminal offence anyway. Seems that the TV Licencing Stazi can get away with it.
What they are doing by sending letters is not a criminal offence. Your interpretation of the Law in England and Wales is WRONG. This is a mistake many people make, it's similar to people that shout, "I'll sue you" when a person says or does something they do not like! If you do not want letters, remove any way of posting them through your door. To clear up a legal point, sending a letter with real threats could be an offence, but advertising services and informing you of company procedures is not.
The Malicious Communications Act 1988 is a British Act of Parliament that makes it illegal in England and Wales to "send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety".
I know, right. Seems they're exempt, as even the police will agree that's exactly what their letters are, and on top of that, blackmail. Until the moment they find out it's the BBC and then they're suddenly no longer interested. There's a video here on TH-cam about it.
@@qetoun Fraud by false representation This is to made a false representation dishonestly, or, knowing that the representation was or might be untrue or misleading with intent to make a gain for himself or another, to cause loss to another or to expose another to risk of loss. Just toughts. Thanks for your like.
Not if you're the BBC, report them to the police and the police will say that you are the criminal(despite doing nothing wrong) and the BBC are the victim because you haven't paid for a licence, regardless if you don't need one.
They only have power if you communicate with them, get yourself a video doorbell and check it every time someone is at the door - if it is a tvl salesperson, don't answer the door.
@@ep1929 Er... not everyone can afford video doorbells. Personally (at almost 80 and virtually housebound) I think it should be an available aid to the disabled - not necessarily 100% free but at least made affordable. I can just about afford one (I think!) but I need something that's budget priced and DOESN'T need an online subscription to work. Anyone know of something?
@@ep1929 If I'm not expecting visitors, I ignore anyone who knocks on my door. Considering the creeps and worse who are walking the streets these days, I think that makes sense.
Hey CJ👍 I hope you've informed Tesco why you didn't shop with them today or use any of their services or a trolley collector will be round to check your fridge to see if you've shopped elsewhere without their permission 🤣✌️
Crapitas operates exactly that system. But then so does your local council. Pay in advance for services you either don't need or actually don't even receive.
Appreciate chilli , we haven't paid for a TV licence in over a year as my partner and me don't watch live tv, bbc iPlayer or record live tv and tested this for a month before ours ran out and don't miss it so stopped paying. We get the letters and with your help ignore them. I have been obsessed watching your channel was geared up for a visit,we have had one but i was out 😂. However my partner who was still at home just woke up, door knocked he said something like yeah, goon said tv licence he said no and shut the door 👍
I watch what I like, BBC or not. I don't contract with the BBC for that, no licence for years. Buying a licence would cause me to act as pseudo trustee - big mistake, I'll remain the beneficiary.
Cheers again. I offically told them I no longer required a licence about 4 years ago now got an email back from them confirming I no longer needed one. Since then every single month I've had at least one of these threatening letters come through the mail. So It's pretty pointless even telling them. I mean some of the letters have even said in bright red captal letters all across it saying 'FINAL DEMAND' so everyone can see what mail I'm getting. I've collected them all without opening one. maybe have 40/50 now I'm going to package them up in a box complete with a pile of steaming fresh shite and send them all back to them..F***ing idiots drive me mad
Students have just come back to sheffield and I have had to deliver a TV licensing letter to every student accommodation, if I see any student as I deliver them I then inform them about the rules and law about not needing a TV licence. If I can get the message to a few of the students then hopefully they can all spread the message between them and not be tricked into believing they have to have a TV licence. As well as the students I can't stress how many TV licence letters I'm delivering to other households, it's now very surprising how many people like my self as a postman have stopped paying this corrupt BBC.
Thankyou so much. Last year when i didn't renew my tv licence i started to receive these letters and just paid it but thanks to your video i won't be renewing or getting scared by the letters.thankyou again this is a great public service.
I`ve moved address recently. I cancelled my tv licence while I was at my last address. After a while they sent me those letters addressed to `the legal occupier` despite them knowing who I was. The last few letters were also from the 'Cambridge Enforcement Division' (I`m in Norfolk). I guess this fictional base covers counties in an 80 mile radius. I hate the “guilty until proven innocent " tone of these letters. Not to mention the sheer waste of public money printing and mailing them out.
I just received one when I returned home after work earlier and it is exactly the same but with my name on it. I will be getting a visit from someone from Dundee which is a two hour drive south from where I live.
Thank you so much for posting these videos. I recently got a letter by these people saying they've started an investigation. This helped me to realise there's nothing to be scared of. Keep doing Gods work :)
These letter are what I’ve written to you about previously, now they would scare someone like my mrs who is convinced the detection works! 🤦 So the letters work on some, but I will not be paying, thanks John.
Stalking or harassment offences can be found in sections 2, 2A, 4 and 4A of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 (PHA 1997) and section 42A (1) Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001.
The Police, the IOPC, Trading Standards, OFCOM, Action Fraud etc etc, will ignore you or back the BBC. Ignoring the BBC and their meaningless gibberish letters is the only policy. Trust me, they can to jack. They are impotent
@@gmo4250 You can't. However, I used a police website to report each one. I put the reference number on the letter. You need to name the harrasser and she's the head of revenue collection at the beeb. When I had five, I sent a cease and desist letter to the BBC, ordering them to remove my address under the right to be forgotten. There's a video online with a goon using the argument, if you let me in to see, we can remove your address. Town Police Clauses Act 1847 Section 28 is also useful. I chucked that into, along with the withdrawal of implied right of access. Sent to the BBC, and Capita were copied in to as the BBC's agents. End result, not a single letter.
@@KevandPerry2 There have been prosecutions against TVL for mistakes that Capita have made. For example harassment of individuals over unpaid licence fees for deceased relatives. Unless someone knows, I don't think they have ever been prosecuted because of the standard letters.
Moved into a new place a year ago, thank you very much for making me wake up to the bollocks they wish you to pay for, government state owned monopolies are something I expect in North Korea, not the UK.
I wonder how many door to door salesmen quit due to insults (which shouldn't happen, but must) they get as more and more people know how to deal with them. I am sure the turnover of door to door salesmen is quite high
I do feel for them (except the aggressive ones). Must be desperate to apply for a job like that. Door to door salesman at their age. What had they been doing before this sad life? The yellow duster sales lads have more credibility.
The real pity is that the intimidation only works one way. Equity would be being able to do the same to them. A letter with words such as “We know where your office is. We know you drive to work. Please ensure your brake pipes are still intact before you drive home. Also, make sure you buy a fire extinguisher on your home” would be reasonable. Best advice if one of the pond life pitches up that you tell them you are removing their implied right of access to your property. Thereafter, any trespass becomes aggravated trespass which is a criminal matter.
Thank you for this video, extremely helpful indeed. I did fill in the online form to tell them that I don't need a license, but I put my first name as "Legal" and my surname as "Occupier", which the website happily accepted.
I cancelled mine due to the saville programme,gary lineker salary and the hamas loving bbc news. I have had enough of paying tax to an enemy of the state.
@markpayne2362, you are so polite and patient!🥰 Me on ring doorbell :- "Who are you?" TVL:- " We're TV license Enforcers" Me:- Enforce my middle finger!" LOL.
I get the letter twice a month, they go straight in the bin. Not had a visit and don't care if I do because there's nothing they can do. It does my head in how many people take this seriously.
i still remember when i was in uni and my gf at the time had moved into her uni accommodation. and the tv license scum literally just sent these threatening letters to every occupant in the dorms, repeatedly. i think she got one every couple of months. I was shocked that my gf was so intimidated by them that she asked if we should just pay it.... so these threats must work on so many people, people who don't even have a tv. we literally didn't have a tv in the room and she was so worried about it she was willing to just give them money. I told her not to worry about it, because they literally don't have the right to come in to your room, even if someone was stupid enough to let them into the "apartment", since each apartment had 4 rooms. your room has a lock that automatically locks when the door closes, and you have the right to refuse entry, and the right to threaten a restraining order should anyone even ever show up and try to con their way in. So i told her to never open the door unless its someone she knows, even if i was there. I didn't think about it at the time but i should have asked around with the other students and make sure they all know their rights, maybe even have checked with building security that they wouldn't let any tv license employees into the building.
I had that same letter last week. I moved address in 2016 and have been "The legal occupier" ever since. I get a threat letter every month, Never had a door knock.(would be a polite "No thanks") Roughly 150 * 7 saved :) I believe that once you are "the legal occupier" they cannot get a search warrant.
I have had about 20 threatening letters in the 2 years I have lived here, as I do not and never will need a TV licence I just put RTS on the front along with a "do not harass me again" before either popping it in a post box or the recycle bin lol
It’s weird when I talk about this with people they will argue and defend paying it as if they admit what I’m saying is true they have to come to terms with them being scammed
They have been investigating my property for over a year. Sadly not a single visit...I,ve been looking foreward to sending them packing. I put the letters in the bin unopened
I used to ask the TVL Goon why I was not allowed to write below the line on the letter. ☺ I do think they've given up on me as I no longer get regular fan mail from them any more. Economising I suspect 😂
"we'd like to stop writing to you if you don't need a license" Yes I'm sure they would but the problem is, they will never accept that someone does not need a license.
I cancelled mine over a year ago and have never had a visit or a letter. Just do it. Its not illegal not to have one. If you live in a small Suffolk village like I do they are never gonna be bothered to come all this way.
Being a farm with a long drive and gates makes a daunting visit for genuine callers!!. I've always wanted to meet the goons but getting to the farmhouse door is not easy where meeting the animals will be first!. I haven't watched broadcast TV for nearly 20 years now and haven't missed it where the streaming and other content is more than sufficient.
I think I've had 3 of these so far this year. Also had loads of the other ones as well. Really don't know why they keep sending them because I'm not going to change my mind.
I have had three over the last three months binned them all never opened them .not wasting my time 😂 Told them in February I don't need a license had six letters this year so far
The amount of letters ive received over & over just like, the one you're holding. By now im expecting an Army of goons to show up. Never the less as you state its to scare and intimidate , but also (i think, it's to get the occupier to call and divulge one personal info for them then to strengthen further action against you be it an actual visit.
Can we not start a class action lawsuit by everyone who has received harassing letters and have been harassed by the tv goons? I know nothing about the law but it seems like something worth looking into.
The TV detector vans were *theoretically* possible... with a lot of caveats... Firstly, this detection would only work for some TV models, only CRT TVs (so old ones), not all TV models would be so RF leaky that their circuits re-transmitted the tuned and filtered signal. Standards were coming very quickly to reduce electromagnetic re-transmissions anyway therefore the lifetime of such techniques was very short. The sensitivity of the equipment required was incredible, requiring pretty much military grade equipment, and had a very short range too and due to the low energy and frequency would be reduced or blocked by commonly found materials such as glass or bricks... Then came the actual identification of where the TV is, if it's in a block of flats forget it, because there's no way the van can drive up the stairs or get in the lift to go around and narrow down the source of the re-transmission to a specific domicile. The hand held mock detectors were no indicators of anything other than marketing and were as genuine as scientology's correctness detector. All this incredibly expensive and sensitive technology in the hands of barely trained lackeys to try and collect on a single license fee? Just was never going to happen.
Theoretically possible, yes. Yet when the MOD asked the BBC for access to their monitoring equipment, because it must be do much better than anything the military intelligence had. The BBC had to admit it was fake.
Old Scott Robson gets around. He's also been sending me letters for 2 years as enforcement manager for Maidstone. Great videos Jon, keep up the good work!
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not having a tv licence is not a crime.
Harassment on the other hand is.
In Law, what they are doing is NOT harassment. People need to educate themselves as this is what gets them in to trouble. Look how many cases those freemen of the land ever won - absolutely none!
@@Bond2025You can legally claim harassment after removing their implied right of access to your property.
After an occasion where they come to the door after you've removed their right of access to the property, you can go to court with a lawyer present and have them go through the motions.
The protection from harassment act 1997 section 1a and 1b states that a person should not act in a manner that amounts to harassment, and that they know or ought to know is harassment.
There is an exception to this where they can claim they were doing it to detect or prevent a crime, however, if they have no access to the property, it isn't a reasonable exception under subsection 3c.
I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect that's how a court case would end up looking like.
You will never get them for harassment because it’s covered in the legal act they do all this.
44.000+ people were convicted last year, so, if the send an official legal notice - reply not guilty
@@davidshaw123451001but you don't know this figure for sure, I believe it's all fabrication just to scare people
If it is a crime
Basic scenario they had a search warrant and they found I was watching live TV
Why wouldn’t the police officer arrest you for that crime
It is not a crime it is an act
If it was a criminal offence then they would arrest you
My god! It's as bad as the Post Office scandal. Something needs to be done to protect our rights!
The BBC should be investigated on their latest stance.
Did you say stance or STATUE? Check the building and you shall find all the proof you need thatsomething is not right there. Thanks for your reply.
The BBC should be investigated - in depth - as a matter of principle and justice.
Won’t happen to many of them pi$$ing in the same pot that allowed a 70’s DJ to get away with so so much and some are still at it
If the BBC were investigated for anything, the BBC and the people investigating them would be able to do it at their next dinner party.
The whole thing is a stitch up by a tiny, un-represrntative, social set.
Nothing less than bullying and thuggery, what a disgusting way to treat people. We should crowd fund a legal challenge in court and sue them.
With the amount of investigations I've had opened on me, I'm surprised the TV licensing people have time to deal with anyone else.
I'm in the same boat, I'm surprised they haven't named me as public enemy No1.
Sorry m8 need a loysense
Brilliant.
Yeah, I am staggered by the productivity of Scott Robson - he's one hell of a productive individual.
Such a collosal waste of money. All to harass people into buying something they don't actually want.
I've lost count of the number of threatening letters I've received I could paper my Walls countless times with them. I will never pay the TV tax and if they are that bothered stop transmitting into my Home!
The letters serve as a nice reminder of how much money you are saving by not having a TV licence; I've saved over £1k.
Me too got a tele 📺 but only watch you tube
Yep, same for me.
‘The legal owner’
Not having had a licence ‘ever’… for over 35 years I have received these letters over the years to which I have never ever responded or communicated with them in any shape or form.
[they have no idea who is living at my address or even if it is occupied or not]
They started off being addressed to the legal owner because they don’t know who I am, then suddenly after a few years my name appeared on the envelope as if they had somehow found out I am,
I ignored them as usual… then after several months they reverted back to being addressed to the legal owner again,
Then another couple of years later they again came with the envelopes addressed to me by my name, [again into the bin they went] and then again after a few months they reverted back to being addressed to the legal owner [and so the cycle continued for quite a few years]
I eventually worked out that they must be periodically checking the electoral role with the local council to see who is registered to vote and living at my address, then after failing to get a response my address would go back into the pile of unknown occupants until the next time they check the council register again.
Interestingly they haven’t put my real name on their letters for the last 15 years or so, now it is always addressed to ‘the legal owner’
It makes me think that the more you ignore them the further under their radar you become.
The number of trees they kill to make these letters and the carbon footprint it then takes to deliver said letters is criminal
Bet they came in handy during the Pandemic when there was a loo roll shortage 😂
Oooh scary official notice 😂😂
They claim to 'go easy' on the over 75s and at one time even stated they wouldn't prosecute over 75s, but if you're an over 75 'legal occupier' you'll be getting the same threatening letters, designed to intimidate and mislead, as everybody else.
Hi Steve, yr right. I’m 88 and have just had one of these letters.
I'm almost 80, and pay the licence fee simply because I don't want my nervous wife worrying about it, and because she does watch live TV (obsessively.) I hardly watch TV at all.
Allowing the licence to lapse as I simply didn't have the money at the time (neither my energy supplier nor local council having consciences either) I was soon receiving threatening letters by name. So - not just thieves and vagabonds, but liars too.
How small tv license going after 75yr old grandparent’s
@@jackwaycombeChin Up Jack, don't pay it. So easy if they come round as Door to Door, sale's persons. Just say No Thank You and Shut The Door.
Just don't watch bbc or the bbc iplayer. They are scum. Put the money to your food or heating. 🙏🏻
How a megacorp justifies chargin oap/blind & deaf I will never know...
Great work, puts the minds of those who are vulnerable at rest due to these scumbags.
Well said a lot of people are scared of letters like that
@@colinowen7730shouldn't be though, Bless their Hearts.😢
Cancelled my DD in June this year. Had at least 5 letters in the post, each one getting more threatening. And an "enforcement officer" knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago and hand posted a red and white letter ( no name or house number) more or less accusing me of lying that I wasn't following the ..no licence rules. But I am❓
Have to admit....it's worrying me. But I'm not funding their nonesense. 👍
@@cassandrade-wolfe6926 Don't let their nasty threats worry you. Anything more nasty like that put through your letterbox just DONT react... chuck straight into the bin. They'll get tired of trying to intimidate you that way in the end.... and take all of Jon (CJC)'s advice on what to do if you open the door to someone and find it's them. Two very short words... "No thanks" and slam the door closed. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
@@LouSmorals2066
Thank you 👍
When are THEY going to be investigated about their dogy practices. How are they allowed to intimidate people like this?
Quite so. Funny how the ‘right organisations’ can get away with anything.
Two justice systems in this country. Always has been.
The BBC are the elite, they do what they want.
The airwaves are (or should be) free. They have no right to charge you for such a naturally existing thing, it is like charging you for using oxygen. They are the ones actually using the airwaves, therefore they are the people who should be, if anyone, doing the paying. This is just another example of government exceeding their powers for criminal gain, just like using traffic cops for revenue collection.
Motorists, another poor cash cow. Bloody gangsters.
I actually do feel better after listening to you go through the letters with us. Mine have got more intimidating as time goes on even though I'm following the rules. Even got an unannounced goon knocking, who then posted a warning for good measure, with his "enforcement officer" number on it. I ignored his attempts to get me to answer the door. I object to being called a liar by the biggest lying corporation in the UK.
I just save them up and use them for starting my wood burning stove in winter 😊
@@robbeales5516
Oooooooh I've always wanted a wood burning stove 🙂
Good idea.
Brilliant info Jon as usual and a big thankyou to Gary Lineker who has helped enormously with defunding the BBC.
And the BBC reporters who insist on describing Hamas as Militants, not Terrorists.
Oh. You’re one of those.
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@@davidk3729 and fail to describe daily bombing genocide as genocide.
I really think we should band together and sue the BBC for harassment. As no other company sends letters like this and would not be allowed to. Could you imagine if Netflix sent these type of letters. Come on BBC start doing the right thing and behave in a proper manner.
Proper manner?
Surely the last few years have shown that the BBC doesn't know the meaning of the phrase. It's little more than a Home Counties private club with a hand in all our pockets.
They won't!
As an Australian a TV license is nuts. At most we fund our governments TV channel via our taxes. (and I don't even watch it these days) and the privately owned stations make their money from advertising.
I see a lot of these videos and the one thing I never see is the posters telling people to challenge the law in parliament. To get off their backsides and protest. Write to their MP's etc.
Just a lot of impotent raging and putting up with it.
Superman does not exist. He is not coming. Save yourselves, because nobody else is going to do it.
I'm afraid other corporations send out very similar letters. Crooks, the lot of them.
Sod that do what they do .....force payment for services you don't want or need ......back when I was riding with a patch it was called extortion 😂
I've been watching you on my 40 inch Panasonic TV, but I haven't had a TV licence for 3 years. Only got 9 threatening letters and a visit from a goon before they backed off. I did phone them to tell them, and they basically repeated the same crap from that letter to me over the phone. I always thought sending threatening letters through the post was a criminal offence anyway. Seems that the TV Licencing Stazi can get away with it.
What you do with these litters you put in them in file 13 ) the bin and don't open the door just totally ignore them. ❤
What they are doing by sending letters is not a criminal offence. Your interpretation of the Law in England and Wales is WRONG. This is a mistake many people make, it's similar to people that shout, "I'll sue you" when a person says or does something they do not like!
If you do not want letters, remove any way of posting them through your door.
To clear up a legal point, sending a letter with real threats could be an offence, but advertising services and informing you of company procedures is not.
The Malicious Communications Act 1988 is a British Act of Parliament that makes it illegal in England and Wales to "send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety".
I know, right. Seems they're exempt, as even the police will agree that's exactly what their letters are, and on top of that, blackmail. Until the moment they find out it's the BBC and then they're suddenly no longer interested.
There's a video here on TH-cam about it.
The defense is that if the letter serves an official purpose.
@@qetoun Fraud by false representation
This is to made a false representation
dishonestly, or, knowing that the representation was or might be untrue or misleading with intent to make a gain for himself or another, to cause loss to another or to expose another to risk of loss. Just toughts. Thanks for your like.
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Can a commercial enterprise like Crapitas even claim that exception?
You'll get ignored. Instead, ignore them. The letters are meaningless twaddle.
Hi chilli I had my first goon visit in August didn't answer the door just waiting now for the rest of the crappy letters to go straight in the bin
That's the way to do it :o) Well done.
Heads up!
If I see 'The Legal Occupier' on the envelope.
It goes straight in the shredder!
...job done! 😉👍🇬🇧
Isn't demanding money with menaces a criminal offence any longer.
Not if you're the BBC, report them to the police and the police will say that you are the criminal(despite doing nothing wrong) and the BBC are the victim because you haven't paid for a licence, regardless if you don't need one.
It can be, but that is not what is happening if you look at the wording of the Law and what you are trying to make fit in to it.
@@MikeEvesdon't go near them either as they just said u are the criminal for not paying
Put it on the bin
Since these people are trying to stitch you up for a criminal conviction, isn't calling them "just door-to-door salesmen" a little understated?
They only have power if you communicate with them, get yourself a video doorbell and check it every time someone is at the door - if it is a tvl salesperson, don't answer the door.
@@ep1929
Er... not everyone can afford video doorbells.
Personally (at almost 80 and virtually housebound) I think it should be an available aid to the disabled - not necessarily 100% free but at least made affordable.
I can just about afford one (I think!) but I need something that's budget priced and DOESN'T need an online subscription to work. Anyone know of something?
They're crooks!
@@ep1929 If I'm not expecting visitors, I ignore anyone who knocks on my door. Considering the creeps and worse who are walking the streets these days, I think that makes sense.
@@englishciderlover7347Yes. My Friends and Loved one's always phone before popping around.
I look at the back of envelope. Says Darlington at top. Bin.
Very nasty, why are they allowed Criminal penalties to force people to pay. It is about time that was stopped.
I got one today which came in handy as I needed something to light my wood burner tonight! Thanks bbc 🔥🔥
Thank you,due to your information from two years ago I realised I don't need a license and not renewed since 😊😊😊
3yrs here Licence free had all the letters just make fun reading and in the bin your channel helped reassure me I was right. Never yet had a visit
The BBC are the architects of their own demise. I remember when they were the gold standard of broadcasting.
Its about time the USLESS MPs got off there arses and get rid of this outdated TV licence !!
Hey CJ👍 I hope you've informed Tesco why you didn't shop with them today or use any of their services or a trolley collector will be round to check your fridge to see if you've shopped elsewhere without their permission 🤣✌️
I should be investigated as I live near a reservoir and don't own a fishing licence.
@@drjamespotter 🤣absolutely, you could have a fishing rod and bait in the shed but it doesn't mean you're going to that reservoir 🤫
Crapitas operates exactly that system.
But then so does your local council. Pay in advance for services you either don't need or actually don't even receive.
It's disgusting how they can charge for channels that they don't own even if they are from other countries .
Or for watching their competitors. I drove a Tesla and don't pay Mercedes because Gottlieb Daimler invented the motor car.
@@drjamespotter
Especially as the BBC didn't invent broadcast TV either - just got early insider options on a monopoly.
Charge? You only pay if you want to. I don't, so I don't pay.
And how can they possibly prove you're watching live TV beamed from the other side of the world? TV Mongolia is one of my favourites.
It's a tax just so happens BBC get the hand out 😊
Appreciate chilli , we haven't paid for a TV licence in over a year as my partner and me don't watch live tv, bbc iPlayer or record live tv and tested this for a month before ours ran out and don't miss it so stopped paying. We get the letters and with your help ignore them. I have been obsessed watching your channel was geared up for a visit,we have had one but i was out 😂. However my partner who was still at home just woke up, door knocked he said something like yeah, goon said tv licence he said no and shut the door 👍
I watch what I like, BBC or not.
I don't contract with the BBC for that, no licence for years. Buying a licence would cause me to act as pseudo trustee - big mistake, I'll remain the beneficiary.
Following for yrs now and this is your best busting of the myths, well done.
Cheers again. I offically told them I no longer required a licence about 4 years ago now got an email back from them confirming I no longer needed one. Since then every single month I've had at least one of these threatening letters come through the mail. So It's pretty pointless even telling them. I mean some of the letters have even said in bright red captal letters all across it saying 'FINAL DEMAND' so everyone can see what mail I'm getting. I've collected them all without opening one. maybe have 40/50 now I'm going to package them up in a box complete with a pile of steaming fresh shite and send them all back to them..F***ing idiots drive me mad
Students have just come back to sheffield and I have had to deliver a TV licensing letter to every student accommodation, if I see any student as I deliver them I then inform them about the rules and law about not needing a TV licence.
If I can get the message to a few of the students then hopefully they can all spread the message between them and not be tricked into believing they have to have a TV licence.
As well as the students I can't stress how many TV licence letters I'm delivering to other households, it's now very surprising how many people like my self as a postman have stopped paying this corrupt BBC.
Thankyou so much. Last year when i didn't renew my tv licence i started to receive these letters and just paid it but thanks to your video i won't be renewing or getting scared by the letters.thankyou again this is a great public service.
I get one every month, I’ve waited 6 yrs now for a visit
I`ve moved address recently. I cancelled my tv licence while I was at my last address. After a while they sent me those letters addressed to `the legal occupier` despite them knowing who I was. The last few letters were also from the 'Cambridge Enforcement Division' (I`m in Norfolk). I guess this fictional base covers counties in an 80 mile radius. I hate the “guilty until proven innocent " tone of these letters. Not to mention the sheer waste of public money printing and mailing them out.
I just received one when I returned home after work earlier and it is exactly the same but with my name on it. I will be getting a visit from someone from Dundee which is a two hour drive south from where I live.
Thank you so much for posting these videos. I recently got a letter by these people saying they've started an investigation. This helped me to realise there's nothing to be scared of. Keep doing Gods work :)
Its nothing to with your god and everything to do with Chilli's efforts to inform the British public
I got one today. In a red envelope too 😂 and for some reason I’m the proprietor or manager and I’m under investigation!! In the bin it goes!
These letter are what I’ve written to you about previously, now they would scare someone like my mrs who is convinced the detection works! 🤦
So the letters work on some, but I will not be paying, thanks John.
Without your name how could they take you to court?
They can't take you to court with your name 😅
It was a rhetorical question
@@MikeEves
@@TrevsTravelsByNarrowboat I know 😊
Stalking or harassment offences can be found in sections 2, 2A, 4 and 4A of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 (PHA 1997) and section 42A (1) Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001.
I agree they are scummy letters, but there is no way you can get a prosecution. If you think you can then you should make a video of it.
The Police, the IOPC, Trading Standards, OFCOM, Action Fraud etc etc, will ignore you or back the BBC. Ignoring the BBC and their meaningless gibberish letters is the only policy. Trust me, they can to jack. They are impotent
@@gmo4250 You can't.
However, I used a police website to report each one. I put the reference number on the letter. You need to name the harrasser and she's the head of revenue collection at the beeb.
When I had five, I sent a cease and desist letter to the BBC, ordering them to remove my address under the right to be forgotten.
There's a video online with a goon using the argument, if you let me in to see, we can remove your address.
Town Police Clauses Act 1847 Section 28 is also useful. I chucked that into, along with the withdrawal of implied right of access. Sent to the BBC, and Capita were copied in to as the BBC's agents.
End result, not a single letter.
Has anyone actually taken the Bbc to court for harassment or anything else.
@@KevandPerry2
There have been prosecutions against TVL for mistakes that Capita have made. For example harassment of individuals over unpaid licence fees for deceased relatives. Unless someone knows, I don't think they have ever been prosecuted because of the standard letters.
Moved into a new place a year ago, thank you very much for making me wake up to the bollocks they wish you to pay for, government state owned monopolies are something I expect in North Korea, not the UK.
Brilliant...how can people be so gullible to believe these letters off the B.B.C. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ...
How much time/paper/postage is wasted on this harrassment to pay for something you don't use or need.
It isn't harassment under the Laws of England and Wales, no idea about Scotland.
Door to door salesman now illegal in this country
Same here jon, it's in the recycling unopened
A big thank you for the info, I'll be acting on it. No more TV licence payment from me. Cheers 🍻
We’ve been targeted ! 😱😱😱😱😱 Ooohhhh scary times , I have a pile of these letters , it is demanding money with menaces 🤬🤬🤬
No wonder they are putting the licence fee up, with all the crap letters they sending out, must be costing them.
I wonder how many door to door salesmen quit due to insults (which shouldn't happen, but must) they get as more and more people know how to deal with them. I am sure the turnover of door to door salesmen is quite high
Usually sole traders
I do feel for them (except the aggressive ones). Must be desperate to apply for a job like that. Door to door salesman at their age. What had they been doing before this sad life?
The yellow duster sales lads have more credibility.
Me too!! love that someone is finally taking an interest in me.
You are quite right Chilli, I haven't told any of the supermarkets which I don't use that I don't them. Maybe I should eh!
The real pity is that the intimidation only works one way. Equity would be being able to do the same to them. A letter with words such as “We know where your office is. We know you drive to work. Please ensure your brake pipes are still intact before you drive home. Also, make sure you buy a fire extinguisher on your home” would be reasonable. Best advice if one of the pond life pitches up that you tell them you are removing their implied right of access to your property. Thereafter, any trespass becomes aggravated trespass which is a criminal matter.
ive had about 5 of these letters, I file them straight in the kitchen bin.
I got a lousy matt brown envelope.😤 You should count yourself special.
Not " one of our investigator" bur an " ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ". There should be a way to charge these people with criminal intimidation.
There is - the Laws of England and Wales, but they have to break the Law first.
These threatening aggressive letters should be classed under law as harassment and malpractice
Just view our police today and you can understand the mind set of the type recruitment these establishments have.
Thank you for this video, extremely helpful indeed.
I did fill in the online form to tell them that I don't need a license, but I put my first name as "Legal" and my surname as "Occupier", which the website happily accepted.
I cancelled mine due to the saville programme,gary lineker salary and the hamas loving bbc news. I have had enough of paying tax to an enemy of the state.
Bunch of bullies !
Shocking they still get away with these threats in 2023.😢
All courtesy of the Tory government.
Just last week while I was at work got them on my ring door bell ? Asked them who they where and they said from TV licences ? I just no thanks lol
@markpayne2362, you are so polite and patient!🥰
Me on ring doorbell :- "Who are you?"
TVL:- " We're TV license Enforcers"
Me:- Enforce my middle finger!"
LOL.
I get the letter twice a month, they go straight in the bin. Not had a visit and don't care if I do because there's nothing they can do. It does my head in how many people take this seriously.
41 letters up till now and counting
i still remember when i was in uni and my gf at the time had moved into her uni accommodation. and the tv license scum literally just sent these threatening letters to every occupant in the dorms, repeatedly. i think she got one every couple of months.
I was shocked that my gf was so intimidated by them that she asked if we should just pay it.... so these threats must work on so many people, people who don't even have a tv. we literally didn't have a tv in the room and she was so worried about it she was willing to just give them money.
I told her not to worry about it, because they literally don't have the right to come in to your room, even if someone was stupid enough to let them into the "apartment", since each apartment had 4 rooms. your room has a lock that automatically locks when the door closes, and you have the right to refuse entry, and the right to threaten a restraining order should anyone even ever show up and try to con their way in. So i told her to never open the door unless its someone she knows, even if i was there.
I didn't think about it at the time but i should have asked around with the other students and make sure they all know their rights, maybe even have checked with building security that they wouldn't let any tv license employees into the building.
Watch your channel and I have cancelled my licence also 5 of my friends have cancelled there' licenses , keep the good work up😊
I think they should investigate where has all the money gone it is clearly not on programming is it?
I had that same letter last week. I moved address in 2016 and have been "The legal occupier" ever since. I get a threat letter every month, Never had a door knock.(would be a polite "No thanks") Roughly 150 * 7 saved :)
I believe that once you are "the legal occupier" they cannot get a search warrant.
We should all send letters to the BBC saying we are investigating them , every day .
Been investigating me for over a year now. Had the full collection of tv licence letters lol 😂.
I have had about 20 threatening letters in the 2 years I have lived here, as I do not and never will need a TV licence I just put RTS on the front along with a "do not harass me again" before either popping it in a post box or the recycle bin lol
It’s weird when I talk about this with people they will argue and defend paying it as if they admit what I’m saying is true they have to come to terms with them being scammed
It’s Stockholm syndrome
Yep, many pay it even though there is no obligation to. They want to pay it.
They have been investigating my property for over a year. Sadly not a single visit...I,ve been looking foreward to sending them packing. I put the letters in the bin unopened
I always remove anything with personal details on it, and shred it. ID theft is one of the biggest forms of crime these days.
@@englishciderlover7347 They have been investigating me for years, and still don't know my name
I used to ask the TVL Goon why I was not allowed to write below the line on the letter. ☺ I do think they've given up on me as I no longer get regular fan mail from them any more. Economising I suspect 😂
Great point about not being obliged to contact Netflix, Prime or any other subscription if you don't use it.
Level 10 absurdity!
Eg:
- Letter… “To the Legal Occupier… it is illegal to poison a hamster in your property.”
- “Err, Ok. I don’t have a hamster.”
Obviously not. You poisoned it!
Great advice well done pleased there is people who help with this problem. 👍
Well done to you,thank you for this😂😂😂
If your home was empty for 6 months before you moved in how did they know someone now lived there,!
Keep up the good work. 👍
"we'd like to stop writing to you if you don't need a license"
Yes I'm sure they would but the problem is, they will never accept that someone does not need a license.
Goodness Gracious, throw that letter on the bonfire!
I cancelled mine over a year ago and have never had a visit or a letter. Just do it. Its not illegal not to have one. If you live in a small Suffolk village like I do they are never gonna be bothered to come all this way.
I'm in Suffolk I've never seen one and haven't had a licence for probably best part of 5 years.
I don't even open mine, it goes straight on the fire.
Cancelled my TV license three years ago I’ve had about a dozen letters threatening me and I said goodbye BBC and good riddance
Being a farm with a long drive and gates makes a daunting visit for genuine callers!!. I've always wanted to meet the goons but getting to the farmhouse door is not easy where meeting the animals will be first!. I haven't watched broadcast TV for nearly 20 years now and haven't missed it where the streaming and other content is more than sufficient.
I think I've had 3 of these so far this year. Also had loads of the other ones as well. Really don't know why they keep sending them because I'm not going to change my mind.
I have had three over the last three months binned them all never opened them .not wasting my time 😂
Told them in February I don't need a license had six letters this year so far
It appears they are getting more desperate month after month.
I'd love to see how many cancellations TVL are getting per day.
The letters go in a cycle, I have more than 100. It's gibberish, all of them
Why not the public and BBC have a live debate on this licensing issue to sort it out once for all?
We Fly The English Flag 🏴 we’re The T.v Aerial Use To Be On The Poll 💪🏻
I don't even open them, had so many, rip them up and throw them in the bin with the rest of the trash.
The amount of letters ive received over & over just like, the one you're holding.
By now im expecting an Army of goons to show up.
Never the less as you state its to scare and intimidate , but also (i think, it's to get the occupier to call and divulge one personal info for them then to strengthen further action against you be it an actual visit.
Thank you Jon. Very useful.
Quick grab your passport and do a runner before they get you! 😜
@suzie. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can we not start a class action lawsuit by everyone who has received harassing letters and have been harassed by the tv goons? I know nothing about the law but it seems like something worth looking into.
We should all ask BlackBeltBarrister than question, he should have a good idea, if it can be done.
The TV detector vans were *theoretically* possible... with a lot of caveats... Firstly, this detection would only work for some TV models, only CRT TVs (so old ones), not all TV models would be so RF leaky that their circuits re-transmitted the tuned and filtered signal. Standards were coming very quickly to reduce electromagnetic re-transmissions anyway therefore the lifetime of such techniques was very short. The sensitivity of the equipment required was incredible, requiring pretty much military grade equipment, and had a very short range too and due to the low energy and frequency would be reduced or blocked by commonly found materials such as glass or bricks... Then came the actual identification of where the TV is, if it's in a block of flats forget it, because there's no way the van can drive up the stairs or get in the lift to go around and narrow down the source of the re-transmission to a specific domicile. The hand held mock detectors were no indicators of anything other than marketing and were as genuine as scientology's correctness detector. All this incredibly expensive and sensitive technology in the hands of barely trained lackeys to try and collect on a single license fee? Just was never going to happen.
In reality: a transit van with a sticker on it...
@@MikeEves LOL, that's definitely the cheaper and more realistic option!
Theoretically possible, yes. Yet when the MOD asked the BBC for access to their monitoring equipment, because it must be do much better than anything the military intelligence had. The BBC had to admit it was fake.
@kjertenskarsgaard I don't think anyone here is claiming that
@kjertenskarsgaard it's not illegal to own any number of tv sets.
I don't even open mine, straight into the bin
Old Scott Robson gets around. He's also been sending me letters for 2 years as enforcement manager for Maidstone. Great videos Jon, keep up the good work!
Funny that - he also signs my letters that come from 'Guildford' lol - not that I even live anywhere remotely near Guildford...