Sonic on Game Gear | Sonic 1, 2, Chaos and Triple Trouble Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- As a quick follow up to the last Sonic video, we have a look at the four Sonic platformers released on the Sega Game Gear. Will these portable entries reach the quality of the Genesis titles? Heck no. But, how are they?
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00:00 Intro
01:30 Sonic 1 Game Gear
05:13 Sonic 2 Game Gear
08:02 Sonic Chaos
10:53 Sonic Triple Trouble - เกม
Your intentionally cringey edit of *ThEy FlY nOw* has gotta be the only time I have ever laughed at that line.
Pretty sure that was Robotnik's reaction to Tails' debut - just carrying Sonic through the entire level and bypassing all the hazards.
Same
@@PlanetZoidstar Well, his reaction to Marble Garden Zone at least.
*Robotnik sees Tails for the first time carrying Sonic through an entire level.*
"THEY FLY NOW?! THEY FLY NOW!! AAAAGGHHH I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG!! AND FOX!!"
Sonic Blast also counts as one of these 2D platformers. I was surprised it wasn't covered after Triple Trouble.
it's because Sonic Blast sucks.
Sucks badly.
WORST THAN O6
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I really really hope you cover all the main line sonic games. I love listening to your opinions
How weird that just days after you complain about screen crunch in Sonic 2, Sega deliberately announced they were making a Game Gear with a 1 inch screen specifically to play these Sonic games on. I think Sega doesn't like you, J. Not after that Sonic 2010s video.
Though, Sonic 2 and triple trouble aren't there.
Sonic 1 & 2 were originally Master System Games, and although Sonic 1 modified the game a lot to avoid the screen crunch issues, Sonic 2 had basically zero changes at all, meaning cheap deaths are everywhere and screen crunch is a constant issue. In the game gear game, they even made Sonic’s sprite smaller.
What?
@@creepycreeper1112 Sega announced Game Gear Mini’s in Japan just days after this video came out and they all had 1-inch screens
@S292 They would all probably be improved games but I doubt it would’ve helped the Game Gear be as successful as the Game Boy. It would be a shame to see the others go but not a huge loss.
I've always loved the 8-bit Sonic games, and I think the same holds true for anyone who grew up with a Master System or a Game Gear. Here in Brazil the Master System was very popular and there are lots of people who even prefer the 8-bit version of Sonic 1, even though I don't agree, but I think it's a very solid game. I think you should've used the Master System versions of 1, Chaos and especially 2, as the wider field of views makes things a lot better, but oh well. I don't really agree with your opinions on these games, but it's interesting to see the perspective of someone else who didn't play these titles when they were new.
MS Chaos has worse Gigapolis music
Na maioria das vezes era o Master System, Game Gear era uma facada.
(te achei Lipe ;) )
Glad that Triple Trouble is getting the respect it deserves
I'm not certain how sarcastic this post is xD
It better be, it's got Fang The Sniper in it.
Katrina Payne Not sarcastic at all!
it's about time lol
*Sonic Chaos* and *Sonic Triple Trouble* (The Sonic & Tails duology) deserve more respect than the rest of the Game Gear Sonic games, especially Sonic Labyrinth, Sonic Spinball and Sonic Drift 1!
Okay, this might sound crazy, but I like to look at handheld and previous-gen console games as a sort of "Secondary Main Series" instead of lumping them in with the spin-offs. They're companions, and the fact that they play like the "Primary" Main games tells me that there's something here that, at the very least, shouldn't be ignored.
No clue why the Sky high meme picture got me.
I first played all four of these games on Sonic Adventure DX, as these were all included as unlockable bonus content. These games are one of the reasons why I'm in the minority of people who prefer the Game Gear over Nintendo's Game Boy. I'm a Sega gamer, and while I will acknowledge that the Game Boy has tons of games worth playing, the Game Gear was in color and had a brighter backlit screen. Plus, it was the only way you could play Sega games like Sonic the Hedgehog on the go at the time.
BTW, I have managed to beat Sonic 2 on Game Gear many times, and that's with the happy ending if you collect all six Chaos Emeralds. Regardless of which ending you get, the game still slaps you in the face with the Game Over screen, complete with its losing jingle. Not exactly a great reward for beating the game.
Fang the Sniper has only been in a handful of games, and yet he's still my favourite character. Such a fun villain, and I really hope he takes the spotlight in a future 3D Sonic game. I've got the perfect story role, voice actor in mind and everything (Chris Patton btw, who played Greed from FMA and Kliff from Fire Emblem Echoes).
Like could you just imagine hearing his sly, weasely voice snickering and saying "Sorry Sonic ol' buddy, but these Emeralds are MINE now... Bean, Bark, let's hit the road!"
I usually gave him an Australian accent.
So, what were your thoughts on Superstars?
Say what you want, the Game Gear Labyrinth song is a jam
I never knew there were 8 bit Sonic games until I watched Episode 7 of Super Mario Bros Z.
I played all of these but the first as a kid,so of course I have some nostalgia, though Triple Trouble is the only one out of these four I ever feel really compelled to go back to.
I gotta say, the best "Sonic" game on Sega's handheld has gotta be Tails Adventure. It's unique, really fun, and is very much in need of a sequel
Wasn't Tails' Adventure a metroid-vania?
1:51 2015 we had a Port of Sonic Lost World for PC, them in 2016 the delayed Sonic Boom Fire and Ice Came, 2017 Sonic Mania and that other game, 2018 mania plus, 2019 TSR, 2020 M&S2020 they never ever stoped
Also the Mario and Sonic Olympic Games, if those count.
...But yeah, maybe this is why a lot Sonic games keep feeling undercooked? Because they never take a break from Sonic ever?
@@wingedmirage4226 That's because Sonic is their mascot and they want money. Maybe, also because Nintendo does the same thing with Mario and Sega wants to copy that.
But PC port wasn't a new game
Also, M&S2020 came out in 2019
We also got sonic runners in 2015
Fun fact: Some fans remastered this games and you can play them on PC as fan games. These are Sonic on the game gear, a Sonic mania look alike remaster of Sonic chaos and Sonic triple trouble 16-bit
the Sonic Chaos one got cancelled I think. Luckily I'm planning to make one. (It might take a long time though.)
I ever remember playing was sonic triple trouble.
This game has nack the Weasel in it and that's all I remember.
If I'm sure I think this game takes place inbetween sonic 3 and sonic 3 and knuckles in the sonic timeline.
I also played tails island and that game even though it's rough around the edges is really fun and I'd love to see another game like that.
Oh hey you! 😄
edge lord I’ve watched a video where maybe the game takes place after sonic 3 and knuckles since it’s not on angle island and fang isn’t around but you’re idea does work too.
Tails Island? Pretty sure you mean Tails' Adventure...
Dude, this game, neither any other one, simply can't take place in between S3 and S&K, since they are just two parts of one single game, one single story, and it always was like that. Instead, it takes place in between them in real-life release dates
That 'tails island' is named "Tails Adventure"
@@VincentEternal maybe it was one of videos about 16bit-styled fan remake?
Sonic 2 on the Gamegear gave me more anxiety than any other gaming experience. Sonic Triple Trouble was a breath of fresh air though. That one ranks up there with the main Genesis games in my opinion.
Micah Buzan I’m glad you like Triple Trouble. Good for you. Did you know there is a Sonic Fan Game where Triple Trouble plays like the Genesis games? If not, check it out. You might like it.
Sonic Triple Trouble was the best Sonic GG game. I wished Sonic Blast was made like Sonic Triple Trouble and enjoyed a good game with Knuckles playable on GG.
Yeah! Good work J! I always get a smile when your upload notifications pop up 😄
9:21 RIP headphone users
you really didn't want to look at sonic blast did you?
Or Sonic Laybri- actually no
Or the Drift games?
@@iverson64_ Sonic Blast is not a spinoff though
There is a Master System converter that you can get for the Game Gear which will allow you to play Master System games on your Sega Game Gear. Master System Sonic games don't have any screen crunches, slow-downs and bugs. The add-on is called the Gear Master.
Great video dude! 💪😎
This could not have been more perfectly timed.
Sonic 1 on the Master System was my childhood. I didn't have many games for the system, so we spent every summer replaying it when we went to our summer house which had only a small old TV with no cable and little else to do.
We kept playing it even when we got a playstation as the TV there couldn't connect to the PS One.
Your getting a like for that Sky high joke, this is why I love your content.
Sonic had a rocky transition to 8-bit
Sonic Chaos and Triple Trouble were my Sonic classics in the day (didn’t have a genesis but the game gear was kind of the next best thing lol)
I actually found a way to totally cheese the final boss on Sonic chaos. stand right in front of him so he'll do his sit-down forward shooting attack and just jump over it when you see him sit down so you don't get hit. if you're anywhere else, he'll always wants that bouncing projectile that's really difficult to dodge.
Very informative vid on the Sonic Sega game gear era
I love me some Sonic, even on the Game Gear! Grew up with the Game Gear and Sonic 2 as a kid 😌
That sonic 2 game drove me nuts just trying to find the emeralds
Yeah. I feel your pain, man. That emerald in Sky High Zone was by far the hardest and gave me so much trouble. Oh dear god! 🤦♂️
9:15 you had to remind me of THAT scene. I could make a 2 minute rant on it
Triple Trouble's train boss was my favorite moment on Gamegear and I replayed those first boring two levels more times than I can count to see it over and over. Never finished it though since the batteries would always die on me by level four or five. Then I got a Nomad and the novelty of compromised portable Sonic with weird physics got blown away when I could play actual Sonic 3 & Knuckles in the car.
Sonic Triple Trouble is one of my favorite Sonic games. It's just got really solid game play.
Might I recommend the PC/mobile fan remakes of sonic 1 and 2 GG
It may be awhile, but I still think at least some of the classic-era spinoffs are worth a mention.
Sonic 2 on Gamegear was such a painful endurance. X.x
Beating it took crazy patience.
1:45 well we got that mobile game Sonic Runners. I know that’s not a physical store but the Apple Store is a big market
Did you check out the fan made remakes for Sonic Chaos and Triple Trouble?
6:59 I learned how to control the bubble in a matter of seconds.
Man, the screen crunch.
Very good review! FWIW, here are some thoughts as someone who played the crap out of every Sonic game on Genesis and Game Gear when they launched.
• *Sonic 1:* Hard agree. Not the same quality of the mainline Genesis games, but a completely functional and decently entertaining Sonic game on the go.
• *Sonic 2:* Mostly agree. Backbreaking difficulty largely due to the screen crunch. I somehow managed to beat this game as a kid after spending an insane number of hours on it, but because exploration is so punishing I always got that bad ending. Holy shit that depressed the hell out of me as a kid.
• *Sonic Chaos:* Actually pretty hard disagree, but I definitely see why we had such different experiences. By this point I'd poured so many hours into the Sonic franchise (16 and 8-bit) that I didn't find it overly challenging. In fact the level of challenge made it way more fun for me since I could breeze through anything that wasn't Sonic 2 8-bit. But I can see how without that amount of experience it would be so much worse. Also I always poured over instruction booklets for my games so whatever gimmicks that laid out I would have been familiar with.
• *Sonic Triple Trouble:* Right on the money. Holy shit that was a good game. Probably the only one on the list I'd go back to more than very rarely if I hadn't lost my Game Gear sometime in middle school. I'm glad you liked it so much after slogging through 2 and Chaos.
• Also I just wanted to bring a little more attention to how damn good the music is in these games. Hearing that again was a of pure nostalgia straight to the heart.
Anyways, one important thing to remember is that we were playing this on a handheld, so being able to play Sonic in the car, on vacation, and to our parents' appointments where we had to sit for an hour was amazing. And as you noted in your video on the mainline Genesis games, gaming back then was a lot different. You'd often only have a few games, and you'd play the crap out of them. In that sense, I even came to like Sonic 2 8-bit because overcoming that absurd level of challenge, memorizing boss tells and death trap locations, kept it challenging over a long number of portable play sessions. Not that I think that made it *good* design, but I did eventually come to appreciate it in that way.
What would a sonic chaos/triple trouble generations stage be? And what would the boss be
I can’t fathom the amount of lost hours I put into Sonic 2 as a kid. It was frustrating beyond imagination but it was my only Sonic fix.
Most runs I’d be lucky to beat the 2nd stage with the hang glider.
when I was younger I had a black one, always wanted a blue one lol
Hey J I know your mainly doing a look at all the sonic games but I was hoping you could talk about one part of the franchise no one seems to talk about an that is the archie's sonic comic run it has great stories and world building but no one talks about it and I think more people should know about it
"Every year since 91 we had a Sonic game at least once or multiple times until 2015"
*cries in Runners*
I never thought they were any good except for sonic 1
i mostly prefer the 8bit version of sonic 1 to the 16 bit version since bridge zone is a (in my opinion) far better second stage than marble and since the only "slow part" of the stage is the second act the pace break here is way less jarring than the wait fest that is marble zone
YEY SONIC CHAOS AND SONIC TRIPLE TROUBLE! ALSO KNOWN IN SOME COUNTRIES AS SONIC AND TAILS? AND SONIC AND TAILS 2?
Wow, I played the shit out of Sonic 2 for the Master System... I guess I didn't have the screencrunch though.
I love Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic Chaos. I played the crap out of them both. Luckily, I had an AC adapter for our Game Gear. I had a love/hate relationship with Sonic the Hedgehog 2. I really wanted to love it. I loved the hang gliding Sonic on the cover and loved if I could get to that level, but that damn first boss just kept on killing me. It was so frustrating as a kid, but I love Sonic and kept trying anyway, mostly because I’m stubborn likkkke that. Never got to play Sonic Triple Trouble,, though. I kind of wish they would remaster or remake, officially, Sonic Chaos and Sonic Triple Trouble, especially Sonic Chaos. I think that was my favorite. I loved playing as Tails, using the rocket shoes, the bonus stages were fun, being able to fly as Tails, Sonic having the Super Peel out, I think for the first time. I’d love for the hang gliding gimmick would have mad a return, though.
Chaos is the only one of these I would call meh. I LOVE 1 and 2, and grew up with TT. Then again, I've been playing the remakes of the first two games made by Creative Araya, which are a much better experience. Since they were remade on a new engine, the screen is no longer close to being an issue, the controls are miles better and there's a ton of extra content.
For Triple Trouble, there's a guy that's remaking the game in 16 bit, as if it were made for the Genesis after 3&K. It looks SO good.
Ah yes, the Game Gear games. These were _MY_ introduction to the sonic games. You see, I bought the Game Gear knowing that it would dominate the Game Boy as it was a much more powerful system and it played games in colour.
This is why I sit and judge people who act like system power and graphical fidelity will determine whether a console/handheld/etc. will do well at any time. I also was interested in the N64 (more powerful than the PS1, less powerful than the Saturn), Dreamcast (best console of its generation), Jaguar and 3DO. Though, only have had the N64 and Dreamcast.
Though, maybe this next generation, the most powerful system with the more graphics will be the solid choice. I mean... perhaps Bullwinkle will pull a rabbit out of his hat as well.
I had Sonic 1 on the Master System II first, back then, because I didn't have a Mega-Drive yet. Seeing your gameplay here of the Game Gear, it was a lot more playable on the Master System. So it's a bit 'sad' you base them soley on the Game Gear.
Although not so much based on speed like the Mega-Drive version, Sonic on the Master System was (and still is to me) a fun game, a very nice platformer.
Huh
This aged well
We had Sonic built in to our Master System. I'm from Europe so the game ran slower and the music just seems "right" to me in the PAL versions - Scrap Brain zone in PAL is an absolute banger
Apparently Sonic 2, 8 bit on Master System was only released in Europe.
You know, theres something called sonic game gear renaje that makes things better
Love sonic chaos and triple trouble!!!
And also seems like these games are like in between games like mega man extreme on the gba or kingdom hearts 1.5 or 2.8 hd
No Sly Cooper mention! Wow a first for me xD
7:40 id love a full video on the topic
Never had a game gear always wanted to play these games when I was a kid
I never want to see that Rise of Skywalker clip ever again.
I had the game gear version of sonic 2z I liked it a lot and mastered it.
im just comment that fang the sniper is mi favorite sonic character.
Technically there was the Boom comics....
A N D F A N G A M E S
J Review's: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG IS DISTINCTIVE
ME: YASSSS
i think you should have used the master system versions for the games because they didnt suffer from screen crunch but otherwise great vid
Screen Crunch wouldn't be a problem if they designed the game around it, like smaller sprites maybe, zoom out a bit to show more, or w/e. That's one thing Nintendo has always done a bit better than Sega is that they make a moveset and physics of the game first, and then design around it. A smaller viewing resolution shouldn't be a game crippling problem.
The thing is about screen crunch is it usually just applies to handheld games that were ported from consoles. Those first three Game Gear games, Mega Man & Bass, Sonic Genesis, they were designed with a *TV* in mind and they just...don't change any of the level design to accommodate it. Even if the player sprite is gigantic, even if in Sonic it gives you a two-frame window to react to anything, they port it and call it a day.
Which is why Sonic 1 8-bit suffers the least because it's intentionally slower than a regular Sonic game and in one instance *fixed* the screen crunch causing outright game-breaking status from that stupid vertical Contra rule in Jungle Zone...which baffles me why none of the other games I mentioned cared about it when the first one did.
We can get portable Mega Man that works with Xtreme and Zero (I dunno how the Classic 1-5 games hold up), we can get portable Sonic that works in Advance 1 when it's not blazingly fast and Stealth's Sonic 1 tech demo as well as Triple Trouble far before either of those.
Besides, with the Switch and smartphones being a thing nowadays, all handheld gaming has HD resolution, which provides absolutely zero excuse for this kind of thing. It's a problem that's thankfully a relic of the past. So Sonic Mania can play just as well on a PS4 Pro as it does taking it with you on the bus with a Switch. Or better yet for these old games, the...oddly multiple ports of Sonic 1+2 on the Switch.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Well everything today is using a 16:9 aspect ratio, so even the cell phone vs a console at different resolutions are still basically the same in terms of just multiplying the geometry or higher resolution textures. It simplifies things alot. As the developer doesn't really have to care or change anything.
@@UltimaKeyMaster "the...oddly multiple ports of Sonic 1+2 on the Switch."
What do you mean by this?
@@smashmaster521 There's the Sega Ages ports of both games you can get separately or you can get the original versions in the Sega Genesis Classics collection.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Ah...well, I got the SEGA Ages versions. Still waiting on the inevitable SEGA Ages versions of Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2.
6:09 does anybody know the music he puts right here?
J's Reviews, I must say I enjoy every single bit of these Sonic Retrospectives, but if you thought Sonic 2 (8-Bit) was abysmal, just wait until you get to Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06. You'll be praising Sonic 2 like no tomorrow.
> just wait until you get to Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06. You'll be praising Sonic 2 like no tomorrow.
oh the irony
I don't know how anyone completed Sonic 2 on GG and MS. It was so hard. I managed to beat Sonic 1 and Chaos on Wii Virtual Console but could never get anywhere near the end of 2. I had to abuse the save states on the 3ds download.
It's so cool
6:08 What is this song?
Does the sonic 2 game gear screen crunch make mega man and bass on GBA feel bearable
I was able to get through most of Mega Man and Bass on GBA. Sonic 2 is basicallly unplayable and I'm saying this as someone that had beaten the Master System version.
Famicom Data Recorder yeh I’m not surprised sonic 2 looked like it had no effort put into it whatsoever while mega man and bass at least had some put into it
Disagree. I much prefer the zones in this to the ones in the Genesis version. And Sonic handles differently on the GG and Master System, I wouldn't say he handles badly at all. Chaos and Triple Trouble are where it's at it though. My two favourite 90s Sonic games. Everything is polished and perfected.
“I could play it again with a drop of a hat
Me - has never dropped a hat
My first videogame console was a Sega Master System, so naturaly it was there where I had my first experience with Sonic. To this day I love that game. It took me a decent amount of time to finished it, since I was super young. I actually prefer that version to the Genesis version, I think the map and the hunt for the emeralds made the experience more natural. Just my personal preference though.
Funny enough, I had kind of a crush on Tails, cause I thought he was a girl. Since I used to rent my games I had no access to the manuals, and in Sonic 2 you must rescue him, so I just assumed he was Sonic's girlfriend. That single thought gave me enough motivation to finish that game.
Stage gimmicks can also not be a problem if you introduce them to the player in a safe way before requiring them to understand them in order to not die. These Sonic 2 8-Bit problems shouldn't be problems if the team making it used a bit more thoughtful level design.
That's probably what he meant by the lack of tutorials. It was almost a blink-and-you'll-miss-it critique but I instantly understood it from him being a huge Mega Man fan. A good platformer will ease you into a new challenge through entirely natural gameplay with little risk before amping up the danger.
Also, even when these Sonic games get designed for the Game Gear, there's still one over-arching problem..."such a lust for laziness, TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBES" being a substitute for actual level design.
Sonic 1,Chaos, Triple Trouble and Tails Adventure were awesome!! 👏
They’re all greater than the rest of the GG Sonic games and TRUE examples of underrated Sonic games, unlike the ones that will land on my list of worst Sonic games (at least as shameful mentions) like Sonic Free Riders, Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric, Sonic Shuffle, Sonic R, Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, Sonic Jam (game.com), Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1, Sonic Drift 1, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (8-bit), Sonic Forces, Tails’ Skypatrol, the Sega Pico Sonic games, Sonic Unleashed (Java) and Sonic the Fighters.
@@kieranstark7213 Yeah
Omg Tails Adventure ❤
@@hanezutchins2786 I see you're a person of culture as well!
Suit yourself, I would play Super Mario RPG and any other JRPG over SC a thousand times any day!
9:28 "Like, I love to laugh at comedy that COMPLETELY falls flat in its face like that."
*The you from "Why Modern Sonic Stories just don't work" would beg to differ.*
Fun fact, thhanks too a game geart literally being a masrer system, you can now play triple trouble on the master system.
Which is harder and more frustrating, mega man x6 or the 8-bit version of sonic 2?
If you only knew how many people in third world countries grow up with the 8bit version. Shout out to TecToy for providing this experience to us brazilians.
5:18 sonic jam on the game. com would like to have a word with you.
Nice Sonic video game
I honestly like sonic labyrinth
At least in my opinion the music in Labyrinth Zone music is a lot better then the 16 bit one.
I really enjoy 8-bit sonic 1 and Triple Trouble, they don’t compare to the 16-bit games but I still think they are fun. I can’t remember anything about Chaos aside from the special stages and 8-bit Sonic 2 can rot in hell (I’ve only ever played the game gear version)
Sonic is not that bad. I like it and the last hidden level is really good.
Sonic Blast was a platformer on the game gear too. It was kind of a bland game, but I have a lot of nostalgia for it XD
The music is great though
Sonic master system I legit think it’s better than Sonic Genesis and it isn’t nostalgia talking I played the genesis version years before the master system one.Its stages are way more consistently fun to play than the genesis version I cannot speak about the Game Gear version but I always have a blast playing the Master system one
12:46 My eyes opened wide
sonic 2 on game gear is the sonic's version of super mario the lost levels
I haven't played Triple Trouble. I've only played the first 3, all of which on Sega Master System.
Sonic 1 is a fantastic Master System and Game Gear game.
Sonic 2 is a solid Master System game, but a poor Game Gear game.
Sonic Chaos is an okay Master System and Game Gear game.
But I have a soft spot for these 4 games, they are the first retro Sonic games I owned, plus 4 spin offs, but I do think these games are unrated, except for Sonic 2. But I do think 8 bit Sonic 1 on the game gear is better then the one on the Genesis.